>> good morning and welcome to the camilla tominey show. a week is always a long time in politics, but it's been another busy one in westminster from the budget to badenoch. i'm going to be speaking to the exchequer secretary to the treasury, james murray, and asking him what he makes of all the backlash against labour's first budget. i'll also be joined by julia lopez, shadow secretary of state for culture, media and sport, who was a driving force in the campaign that propelled kemi badenoch to victory over robert jenrick yesterday. i'm also going to be joined by former chancellor kwasi kwarteng, who will be sharing his thoughts on what his successor, rachel reeves, announced on wednesday. will it prove to be as

catastrophic as his own mini—budget.7 or even worse? and mini—budget? or even worse? and ahead of the presidential elections next week, we'll be speaking to conor burns , former speaking to conor burns, former trade envoy to the us for regional trade and investment. we've got once again 90 minutes of punchy politics ahead, so don't go anywhere . don't go anywhere. right, let's get stuck into the sunday papers this morning. i'm delighted to be joined by james heale, who's the spectator's political correspondent. james, lovely to see you. this morning. thanks for joining lovely to see you. this morning. thanks forjoining us. okay. let's talk about the coronation of queen kemi, the new conservative leader. it's the front page of the sunday telegraph and even the observer has managed to write something quite nice . people in henley quite nice. people in henley apparently welcoming her as rishi sunak's successor. what do you think? >> well, yes , this is the news, >> well, yes, this is the news, of course, that she won yesterday 57 to 43% of the vote

and the observer's gone to henley, which was previously tory from 1906 onwards, elected a succession of big beasts, including michael heseltine, won and boris johnson. >> and they've spoken to a lot of people have to say, most of them over the age of 60, but they very are supportive of her candidacy about her as leader. and they're saying they could win her back. of course, that seat's gone lib dem, and there are a whole bunch of seats in the south , east and south—west the south, east and south—west of this country that have always been tory. and yet when lib dem, this time and the conservatives want to win power in five years time, they need to win them back how. >> now. >> now the spectator used to employ kemi. i think she was the digital editor. so what do your colleagues say about her? i know she's probably well known to quite a few of you. >> well, so she left about, i think about 4 or 5 years before i joined. but, you know, think about 4 or 5 years before ijoined. but, you know, i think i joined. but, you know, i think that she's always someone who was respected in the office and someone who, you know , was able someone who, you know, was able to clearly going to be on the way up. and i think, you know, fraser nelson, my former editor, has spoken to the biography about her that she was talking about her that she was talking about how she was willing to take maternity leave and wasn't going to be paid for that when she was there. so i think she was someone who was respected in

the spectator when she was here 4 or 5 years ago, and robert jenrick, should we have a word about his campaign? >> yes. i mean, it was a strong campaign and to be fair to him, he worked very hard. he was travelling the length and breadth of the country. i think there's a video that's gone viral of mrs. jenrick, who seems to be a formidable force behind her husband. one wonders how they are both commiserating this morning. absolutely. >> i think she was very much the force of nature behind him and i think that, you know, he ran a very good campaign at times. it's just unfortunately for him, it was a marathon, not a sprint. and i think whereas among the mps, there was a lot of momentum behind him in july and august when it got to the conference, he then sort of stumbled a bit and he never really made it up. and you saw that steady drumbeat of names coming out for kemi badenoch. there was just nothing that really was able to turn it around. and of course, i think perhaps one of the key moments was when we had that gb news poll and at the end of it, christopher hope said, who would here vote for kemi badenoch? and almost all of the hands in the room went up and i think that was one of those moments, a bit like she did well in the debate, actually, to be fair. >> and she she spoke second, and

therefore she was fresh in the memory , but she seemed a bit memory, but she seemed a bit more natural than jenrick, who seemed a bit overrehearsed. yes. >> and i think that's a bit like when cameron, in 2005, the newsnight bit, were all hands went up and that kind of really sealed the deal for him. yeah, i think that was key. >> all right. well, more interesting times ahead at prime minister's questions anyway. i think we can both agree budget backlash. well, the front page of the sunday telegraph reports that labour mps are particularly angry. i mean, we can expect the right to be angry with some of the measures that rachel reeves introduced on wednesday. we've got 40 billion in taxes and then 72 billion in spending, which seems to me to be rather truss like in its approach. and the markets have reacted accordingly. i'll be asking kwasi kwarteng for his reaction a bit later on in the show. but in general, i mean, labour mps are saying, how on earth do we sell this on the doorstep? which is an understandable concern. >> yes, i think the key killer line, of course, is that you've just hiked taxes by 40 billion. why then are we seeing less growth over the next five years or so? and labour put so much stock in the office of budget responsibility, they were going to live or die by the obr. the obr has come out and criticised them. and now, of course, labour

are stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to that, because on the one hand they want to go out there and really trumpet this. but on the other hand, the obr, the gospel by which they said they live or die, is saying quite another. so i do think that as we see days three, four, five, six of the budget and you see a week on, that's when a budget starts to unravel. and i think there are big questions, for instance, about those 100 or so seats which won labour were rural seats. and you've got agricultural relief now, really coming to the fore as an issue. >> yeah, farmers are absolutely outraged. funnily enough, i saw a tory mp who is he was in a reduced majority up north. martin vickers was cleethorpes. i can't remember what it's called now, but he was saying he had never received more posts from farmers in his life. and he's been an mp for many, many years. >> and you know, i was talking to another tory mp who said, of course they've got the big county council elections next yeah county council elections next year. this is the great boost they need. they were really worried about the reform threat, but they're now hoping we can campaign against labour on this, frame it as a two horse race and they might be able to save some councils. >> is that slightly premature. we note the polling which suggests that the tories are now one point ahead of labour on 29

versus 28, but it's far too early in the parliamentary cycle for the tories to start thinking of a comeback. i mean, to be fair, kemi badenoch is still unpopular generally in the general public. she's got a lot of work to do to win over people's support. >> absolutely. i just think in the next sort of 6 to 10 months or so, when you're campaigning in those may ones next year, agricultural relief, the angry farmers is going to be a key thing for the conservatives to win, to hang on to those county councils that they won in 2021 at the height of the boris bounce. yeah. >> saying red wall, blue wall. it could be the green wall. now that they need to win over. and i don't mean that in a kind of net zero sense. i mean it in a rural kind of wall where you'd have to wear your wellies on that subject, steve reid, criticised for wearing a £400 pair of wellies that were apparently given to him by lord alli. that's the environment secretary. can't make it up too close to call the us election. we were just speaking about it off air. what do we think is going to happen? 1510 00:06:48,240 -