indeed it is official. donald trump, the man whose enemies essentially tried to jail him, kill him and brand him a modern day hitler. well, he has been elected the 47th president of the united states and boy, what a reaction it has generated. we've had cheers from some and rivers of tears from others. personally, i've had a fabulous day looking at all the reactions. what about you joining me.7 i love someone who's devastated and someone who's delighted . and did you watch my delighted. and did you watch my show last night? do you remember the two blokes from the us? they were thrashing it out. i'll be crossing back live to them tonight and getting their reactions. but before we get stuck in, let's get tonight's 6:00 news headlines . 6:00 news headlines. >> just after 6 pm, the latest

headunes >> just after 6 pm, the latest headlines from the gb news centre. democratic presidential candidate kamala harris will officially concede defeat at 9:00 this evening, uk time, after a hard fought and often bitter election campaign. donald trump has already declared himself america's 47th president. his win came when he surpassed 270 electoral college votes by securing the state of wisconsin. his democratic rival, who's been silent all day, will formally step aside during a speech to her supporters and gb news can reveal that house of commons speaker sir lindsay hoyle will not block donald trump. addressing parliament on his next visit to the uk. westminster sources have said that hoyle is not going to do a bercow and copy the example set by his predecessor, who refused

to invite trump to address both houses. to invite trump to address both houses . sir keir starmer and houses. sir keir starmer and kemi badenoch faced each other for the first time today at prime minister's questions on the issue of farmers inheritance tax, sir keir said his government was listening to the concerns of those in the agricultural community. but the new tory leader accused the prime minister of giving the people nothing more than stock answers. >> his scripted lines are showing that he has not even listened to the budget himself. but what does he say to farmers who are facing uncertainty about their futures as a result of the increased taxes announced by the chancellor? >> i'm glad she's raised farmers because the budget last week put £5 billion over the next two years into farming. that is the single biggest increase. unlike the £300 million which was underspend under the last government . government. >> the man suspected of

murdering estate agent suzy lamplugh almost four decades ago has died in prison. the prison service has confirmed that 70 year old john cannan died in full sutton prison, where he was serving life for the murder of shirley banks. he was named as a suspect in the abduction and murder of suzy lamplugh, who disappeared in london in 1986. her body has never been found . her body has never been found. there you go. you right up to date with all the latest headunes date with all the latest headlines from the gb news centre. now it's over to michelle dewberry for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news dot com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much for that .

>> thank you very much for that. mark white i am michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company on, let's face it, a very historic day, isn't it? today? i'll be with you until 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got my panel. ben habib, the former deputy leader of reform uk , and matthew stadlen, the uk, and matthew stadlen, the political commentator. good evening to both of you. you're very welcome tonight as are each and every single one of you at home. boy , oh, boy. there'll be home. boy, oh, boy. there'll be some high emotions among you guys at home tonight. so tell me, how are you feeling? personally, i've had an absolutely fabulous day. i've spent way too much time looking at the reactions of people that are less happy with the outcome. i'll put it diplomatically like that. it's cheered me up no end. i highly recommend it as a pastime. have you got nothing better to do with your time? but, look, you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. you can email me gbviews@gbnews.com. you can tweet or text me, or of course you can go to the website gb news .com/ yoursay and you can get me there. i very much

want to bring you into the conversation tonight. lots of you are getting in touch , you are getting in touch, sharing a lot of my sentiments. i can feel that coming through already. jack has been in touch and says michelle, everyone is always talking and focusing on trump . but what about jd vance? trump. but what about jd vance? he says he did absolutely fabulously. he's got a fan in jack. jeanette says, well, at least trump is working for the people. essentially, he's doing what our government should be doing. and she says that starmer and his government could learn a thing or two. did you watch my show last night? excellent show. if i say so myself. but if you did, you will be familiar with the two gents over the pond that was thrashing it out before the results were made clear. i'll be crossing live back to them in a few minutes to get their reaction to today's news. but ben, just summarise your response to today's outcome, if you will. >> well, i woke up at about 5:00, looked at what appeared to

be a trump victory, but i'd been there before in 2020, so i didn't want to, you know , count didn't want to, you know, count my lucky stars and then woke up at seven and saw that he'd basically won. but it wasn't really until i was coming into work. and there was a kind of sense of relief that i felt a weight off my shoulders, like i could breathe. you know, completely, for the first time in many years, he's laughing at you. you can laugh if he wants to. that's fair enough. but it wasn't really until i was coming into work a few hours later that i got a complete sense of elation and relief that the ideology under which we have been suffering for so many years at last has an opportunity to be have a, put to it and have it reversed. >> let me bring some of you in before i go to matt . he was before i go to matt. he was laughing at ben habib. i can tell you that . john says the tell you that. john says the world of work, of tried to silence the people. the media have had a go as well. and he says, but no, the silent majority have stood up and voted. he says, hopefully now the world has woken up. he says

we can silence. he wants to silence the work minority and stop their damaging effect on the world. he says many people are talking about how this will impact the labour government. have you seen some of the reaction? david lammy don't you worry, i'll be looking at that in a few minutes as well. ken says michelle, i'm so pleased that he has been elected and he wishes president trump well. he says he thought his day couldn't get any better, but then dewbs& co dewbs& co began. we hear you right. so what's the matter with you, matt? why are you laughing at ben habib? >> well, i actually got up earlier than you , ben. i was up earlier than you, ben. i was up at 345 to read the bad news, and it was bad news. the reason i got up at 345 is because i was driving off to the west midlands to host the made in britain awards for a celebration of british manufacturing, which i think should be celebrated and encouraged our great country. but this is very bad news. i know you've sort of brought me

on here, for michelle, my tears or in the hope or anticipation of tears. hang on, i've come prepared. >> hold on everyone, look what i've put next to him . look. look i've put next to him. look. look at what i've got next to him. look well stocked up. ready to go? >> just a couple of weeks ago i posted on x, which i suppose we have to call it now, and i said imagine the wailing and the whining, the whining. if donald trump and elon musk were to lose this election . so my side, if this election. so my side, if you want to call it that loosely, i'm certainly not on donald trump's side, have lost and lost rather comfortably, comprehensively. and so i'm certainly not going to do any wailing or whining. and i think it's also important, as a brit, we are not to here lecture the americans on the outcome of their election. they voted fairly and squarely. i think there was a lot of misinformation involved, but it was a fair race. kamala harris should do what we all urge trump to do a while ago, and she should concede gracefully . there should concede gracefully. there should concede gracefully. there should be a proper and peaceful transfer of power. but i think donald trump is an absolute

disgrace. >> oh well, don't worry, we we'll pick him up on that. i'm not going to let him get away with that one. did you see kalodner's response if you didn't hold fire as well for that one? i do have to confess that one? i do have to confess that was one of the ones that did make me chuckle the most today, but before i do that, look, anyone that watched the show last night, you will have seen these two gents thrashing it out. let's cross live across the pond. back to them again. doctor sebastian gorka , the doctor sebastian gorka, the former deputy assistant to donald trump and back to pablo ohana, the senior political adviser and kamala harris supporter. let me start with you then, seb, if i may. how are you feeling today ? feeling today? >> elated. and i beat all of you. i didn't go to sleep. i was at mar—a—lago. i was at the convention centre as well. i just flew back from florida to back to the swamp here in dc, and i'm so glad you put me back on with the person who said that kamala harris was going to win yesterday. so we are on just absolutely cloud nine, and we

finally get our country back, whether we're white, black, brown or magenta, it is ours. maga has won and kamala is the garbage along with kamala, and we've chucked them in the dustbin. cool. >> blame pablo . >> blame pablo. >> blame pablo. >> do you know what? you learn an awful lot more about someone's character and their losses than in their victories. cheering the way that you guys are is, frankly pathetic. we had the courage to stand up for what we believe in. you might disagree with us, that's fine. but we fought hard. we fought fair. we put ourselves out there. we have the integrity to accept the result, which is more than what would have happened if trump had lost. i think the way that you're both talking is absolutely disgraceful. kamala harris fought a fair race. she fought hard. she was an exceptional candidate. and i think this kind of conversation, this kind of language, is frankly, when you say the way we both speaking, are you including me in that or who is the other person? >> me. okay. well i'll respond. i'll respond. >> you're talking about you're talking about laughing at people who are upset. and i include myself in that. i was at kamala

harris hq victory party last night, which was obviously not a victory. and it was really, really upsetting. and it would be for the same for the other side as well. i think we should take stock. we should be careful to keep our language in check, and we should accept the results of course, that wouldn't be happening if it was the other way around . and i think the way around. and i think the language is beneath both of you in check. >> i'll i'll stand up for myself in a minute. i'm a big girl. but before i do that, sebastian, do you want to respond ? you want to respond? >> what a stinking hypocrite! we must control like the democrats and kamala and biden did for the last eight years, calling my former boss a threat to democracy, a hitler. former boss a threat to democracy, a hitler . you former boss a threat to democracy, a hitler. you are an absolute perfect exemplar of the hypocrisy of the radicalism of the democrats. and i am just ecstatic that it's not just the electoral college, but it is the majority. it is a popular vote victory. the democrats have been trounced completely, and we reject the radicalism, the marxism, the anti—americanism of

the cackling kamala and the senile biden . look, there is one senile biden. look, there is one county in texas that is 97% hispanic, 97% hispanic, and they voted for donald trump, 97% hispanic. >> i just don't quitting because otherwise no one can hear you. i'm going to come back to you in a sec, but just let sebastian finish. sebastian. he's saying, watch your language. >> well, he could he could go stuff it. there is one county in texas, 97% hispanic population. they voted for donald trump. they voted for donald trump. they haven't done that with a republican candidate since 1876. so who's the racist now, pablo? or i guess those hispanics aren't hispanic enough for you , pablo. >> i mean, i don't even know why i'm debating somebody who speaks like this . i'm just i'm just like this. i'm just i'm just lost for words. this is extraordinary. the way that you are talking is just. i can't even believe you served in the white house. and actually, maybe

i can, because that speaks to the character of donald trump. listen, we fought a race that is how democracy works. i am for not one second denying this election like you guys did in 2020. kamala harris for one. >> pablo, didn't you say yesterday you were going to win? >> i was confident she was going to win, and i'm happy to stand here or sit here rather, and say that we lost and that i was wrong. that happens in politics. we had a vote, people voted and we lost. that's how democracy works. it's a shame you guys didn't learn that in 2020. but what i will say is that the american people said you were wrong . the american people had wrong. the american people had their vote, which isn't, which is entirely their vote. i don't know why we're having a debate about that, because i've accepted the result. i accepted the results straight away. i think what we ought to do is keep in check because we are racists . racists. >> i think the fact that the american plurality is putting words into my mouth, let's be really clear about who voted for each other. >> you told no one's going to hear anyone . hear anyone. >> i want to be really, really clear here. i have not accused

anybody of being racist. you are putting words into my mouth because you want to start an argument, which is absolutely fine if you want to start an argument. so you can get some more clicks on twitter, no problem. but let's be really , problem. but let's be really, really clear about something here. donald trump ran a campaign that was based on hatred, and it was based on misogyny, and it was based on dividing people. kamala harris sought to bring people together. people didn't vote for that this time. that is okay. the american people have made their decision. but let's not for one second pretend that donald trump has somehow brought everyone together by uniting the country the way that you are speaking is exactly the same way that he is speaking, which is divisive, and it is full of hatred. and if you're going to continue having that conversation, then it isn't going to be surprising that the country will continue to be divided for the rest of time. >> you and kamala have been rejected by by. >> i mean, it's just childish . >> i mean, it's just childish. it's just childish. you're a child, pablo . child, pablo. >> pablo, let me just ask you this then. how do you think the country is divided, isn't it? and by the way, i will just say i do apologise if i've offended

you by finding it funny. but i can't help it. i do find it funny because i just think the rhetoric, the undermining, the attacking, the vilification of anyone that had the audacity to even hint at supporting donald trump has been absolutely off the richter. so then when i see it happen, the opposite way, and i find that people have had an absolute meltdown, they've still been vitriolic, vitriolic the next day. so instead of being offended by that, i've chosen instead to laugh at it. so that's why i was laughing. but anyway, tell me briefly, how do you think america unites then? because people clearly are very divided. >> i think it's a really tough one, i really do. i mean, i honestly hope that i am completely wrong about everything and that donald trump is a president who who unites the country. i mean, we saw it before he was present in 2020. sorry. in 2016. and, you know, he didn't do that. so i can only hope that i'm wrong. i can hope that i'm wrong about the abortion ban. i hope that i'm wrong about him conceding to putin on ukraine. i hope that

i'm wrong about him dismantling the democratic institutions. i really, really do. i mean, it's all i can hope for because we saw this show in 2016 and it didn't end well. >> and sebastian, final words to you then, is donald trump going to make america great again for all of the citizens? >> he did it before and he'll do it again. the majority of hispanics voted for him . black hispanics voted for him. black men voted for him because they will not be talked down to. whether it's obama, whether it's the kkk, they've had it with the supercilious elitists, and they have thrown them. they have jettisoned them into the dustbin. america , as of dustbin. america, as of yesterday, is building itself back to be great again and will stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone who believes in their country and is part of judeo—christian civilisation. it is a great time to be alive. pablo and the rest are on the ash heap of history. we will

move forward. >> well, there you go. >> well, there you go. >> look, gentlemen, a lot about yourself there. >> sorry, pablo. >> sorry, pablo. >> what did you say ? >> what did you say? >> what did you say? >> indeed i did, i just think >> indeed i did, ijust think you've revealed a lot about yourself. i just think anyone watching you, you're just going to think. this is so. it's just embarrassing. we have lost. >> we do great debates on gb news. thank you very much. i will say thank you both for returning to the show and finishing your conversation tonight. doctor sebastian gorka, that's the former deputy assistant to donald trump there, and pablo ohana, senior political advisor and kamala harris supporter. i very much appreciate both of your time tonight . as you can see at home, tonight. as you can see at home, people are still feeling very divided, strong emotions on both sides of that coin. where are you on it all? do you think actually america can unite? they are so polarised , so divided. are so polarised, so divided. what does the future look like and how does all of this impact us? here in the uk ? let's look us? here in the uk? let's look at all of that and more after the

hi there, i'm michelle dewberry i'm with you until 7:00 tonight. alongside me. i've got ben habib, the former deputy leader of reform uk, and matthew stadlen , the political stadlen, the political commentator. we've just been heanng commentator. we've just been hearing from the two chaps from last night's very divided, those two gents still ben habib well, you could feel the love between them, couldn't you? >> there was a clear romance going on, but i think we do have to move away. for me, it's not about donald trump versus kamala harris. you know, one can analyse their individual individual characters as much as you like. but for me it's about the direction of travel for the united states and the underpinning ideologies of the two camps. the republicans under donald trump and the democrats under kamala harris. and what we've had for the last four

years, and we've had it in spades for many years in the united kingdom, even though we had a conservative government, is an ideology which is about open borders, high regulations. this this tilt towards net zero, a failure to protect our culture, our constitution seems to be not important to those who govern us. essentially, a turning of the back by those who govern us on the nation state thatis govern us on the nation state that is the united kingdom. and it's been the same in the united states. and what donald trump, i think, offers up is a reverse of that, a recognition of the importance of borders, a recognition of making economic policy for the benefit of the people you govern, a recognition that culture is important, a recognition of all those things which are typical reform uk voter would understand. and it is that that excites me, putting an end to what i see as an ideology that if carried through to its ultimate conclusion, will result in the end of western civilisation. that's how dangerous i see the ideology

that's gripped the european union, the labour party, and apparently the conservative party for so many years. and that's what excites me. i want to stop it and reverse it. >> there is quite an excitement , >> there is quite an excitement, anticipation in the air. do you not think? definitely not. is it not think? definitely not. is it not reaching that side of the desk? no. >> i thought the language from that chap i've interviewed myself in the past. seb gorka didn't last long as hardly anyone ever last long in a trump white house. it didn't last long. then i thought his language was. i think most viewers would agree, really rich language. ungenerous. calling this chap a loser and saying that kamala harris was now in the bin and this guy was the ashes of history that that's not the language we would expect of the language we would expect of the winning side or hopeful. >> and do you say that the loser do you say that when people was, for example, calling donald trump a fascist, i thought it was a huge mistake . was a huge mistake. >> i thought it was a huge mistake for harris to say that he was a fascist. i thought it

was a huge mistake for biden to suggest that half of american voters were garbage, just as it was for hillary clinton when she, in 2016, talked about the basket of deplorables. i also, by the way, have to point out that donald trump would continue to call kamala harris a communist. so this was happening on both sides. and that language, i think, is unhelpful. i said before the break that i thought donald trump is an absolute disgrace. it doesn't mean that i don't respect the result. it doesn't mean that i'm to here lecture the american people. they turned out in tens of millions . over 70 million of millions. over 70 million people so far have voted for donald trump. we have to listen to that. we have to respect it and understand it. we don't have to respect certainly individuals such as myself that have to respect donald trump. this is a man, as we know, who's been found liable for sexual assault. he's been he's a convicted felon on multiple issues in multiple felonies, you know, 34 or whatever it is. this is a guy that boris johnson himself, when he was mayor of london, said was

clearly out of his mind that he was unfit for office. so i have no respect for him. but i have a respect for the american people. and by the way, let's talk about david lammy for a moment, because he's been he's come under enormous amount of fire for comments that he put up on twitter when it was twitter. oh, don't worry about that. >> i'm going to be playing some of these. >> you're not going to defend david lammy. >> what i was what i was going to, what i was going to say is, is this that the labour government and i am no part of the labour government, they do have a responsibility to work with donald trump. and actually what we've seen is that lammy has done some good work, along with starmer, in laying the foundations for a proper working relationship. >> well, you you raise a very , >> well, you you raise a very, very important point and it's one that i want to look at after the break. i'm really sorry because i have just got the giggles, because i've just found the day. you wait till i get on to the david lammy stuff, and the way that my favourite, i've got to say, is it's all going to come up after the break. we'll look at the reaction. matthew raises. a really good point

about the labour response. david lammy's response. what a pickle. when you look at neil oliver at the comment that he had to make on his twitter about this whole setup, that will make you giggle as well. that's what's caught my . we'll continue this after the break.

we' re we're getting into all of our tweets and everything. i didn't realise i was back there. welcome back michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. i've got ben habib and i've got matthew stadlen remaining alongside me as well. we've continued that conversation in the break as well, just about language and how people should be talking to each other , especially if we're each other, especially if we're trying to unite and go forward. you didn't like the reaction the language that one of my guests was using, but i've got to say, one of my viewers has sent me a message and said, can you ask matt stadlen if he doesn't think

people should be, you know, being unkind to each other? why did he tweet this? and then he sent me a tweet where you said racist, misogynist and conspiracy theorists love trump because he offers them validation. they do. >> but i'm sorry, calling a racist, by the way, not all of the people who voted for trump, and this is what i think is really interesting by any means, are racist or misogynist. i think a lot of americans voted because of the economy. now the economy, you can argue, isn't in that bad a state at all in america. but inflation was hitting people in the pocket, so their grocery trolleys were very expensive at certain points over the last four years. and so i think a lot of people overlooked the misogyny, overlooked the race baiting, overlooked the fact that he tried to deny the democratic will of the american people when he lost last time because they thought, what is actually going to have the biggest impact on me? they thought that he was the man, and we'll wait to see. i hope the american economy does do well. of course they do. but they thought he was going to be best

for them economically. let's be absolutely clear about this. calling someone a racist is not mean or unkind. if you think they're a racist, calling someone a misogynist is not mean or unkind. it's pointing out to gb news viewers , reminding gb news viewers, reminding everyone if they aren't or aren't already familiar with it, that this is a man who, as i've said, is a convicted felon on multiple counts and who did try to. >> i thought he was appealing those he may well do. >> i mean, biden might even who knows, biden might even pardon him, which would be slightly faster. i think this is a guy. come on. this is a guy who has been accused by multiple women of sexual assault and who, in a civil case, was found liable for sexual assault . that is not my sexual assault. that is not my sort of bloke. and that's not mean to point that out. >> well, he's never faced criminal charges on sexual assault. and there's a reason for that because the evidence wasn't there for it. and a civil case is a much lower bar. but the american people have judged him. they know all of that. you know all of that information was

in front of them. he got over 70 million votes, and the democrats got what they normally get, which is around 65 to 68 million votes. but, but but the issue here, i think, is i think the economy is very important, granted. absolutely. and one could make the case and i believe this to be the case, that the locking down of economies by people like biden , economies by people like biden, by people who hold that kind of view in europe and the united kingdom, who are pro—lockdown was the root cause of the creation of the breaking of supply chains . donald trump, the supply chains. donald trump, the breaking, breaking. >> trump locked down the economy himself, partly why he lost the last election. >> well, states individually in the united states locked themselves down. donald trump was actually against lockdowns. the republican position was against it. biden came in. boris johnson supercharged it . johnson supercharged it. >> boris johnson might say he's against lockdowns. >> we're all against no, no, no, no, no. >> there was a federal donald trump. >> there was a serious states had states in the us had

autonomy to lock down. some states didn't. some states did. and then biden came along and he turbocharged it, fed us vaccines, you know, fed us well , vaccines, you know, fed us well, absolutely. the narrative was that you must have this vaccine. and the debate about the vaccine , and the debate about the vaccine, even though it's gone largely underground at the moment, still needs to be had, untested , needs to be had, untested, untested science being advocated by those of us, those who are in charge of our welfare and shoved down our throats, not allowed to travel, having to have vaccines, you know, millions. >> the evidence of life, the empirical evidence will have been harmed because that's what happens with vaccines, the millions and millions or billions of people, the empirical evidence has yet to be debated . debated. >> and, and, and, you know, disclosed properly and debated, but also the economic damage was as a result of lockdowns, you know , there's no getting away know, there's no getting away from the labour market being broken. >> we could we could relitigate the pandemic if you want. >> i don't know, i don't want to, but no, but but you've got to, but no, but but you've got to look at the root causes. >> so it's the economy. but

there's also the fact that under biden, nearly 10 million people have crossed the border from mexico into the united states of america, across the border under trump. >> i mean, trump said he was going to build this border wall. much of that. >> now, that's a very good question. >> and what trump didn't have in his last administration, which it looks like he might have in this administration, is control of both the house of representatives and the senate. most presidents can't do what they want because they get blocked in one or the other of the houses. he's already got control of the senate 51 to 49, and it looks like he's going to get control of the house of representatives. if he can do that, he'll be able to steamroller through many, many policies, which he was unable to do last time. >> the thing i really hope that he doesn't try to attempt, and i don't think he will. i think this is sort of hyperbole on parts of the left, but i really hope that he doesn't try and get the constitution changed, which i think requires a two thirds majority in congress. so that he could run for a third term, because i'm sure you'd be opposed to that. >> well, i'm very, very suspicious of constitutional changes generally , and i find it

changes generally, and i find it an affront to i know we don't have a written constitution, but successive governments, since tony blair have played fast and loose with our unwritten constitution, including as we and you and i have debated this before, the imposition of a border down the irish sea between great britain and northern ireland, in breach of one of the fundamental constitutional acts that created the united kingdom, the 1800 acts of union. so i find tinkering with constitutions a really dangerous thing. >> ask you this because, i mean, we can debate the economy and the clearly i mean, we all know the clearly i mean, we all know the phrase, don't we? it's the economy, stupid. >> and the damage done by net zero. >> we could, we could, we could debate that. but even if the spanish floods were not specifically caused by by global warming, climate change, we don't know if climate change continues apace. those floods are a massive and existential risk to all of us. we have to take an extremely, extremely seriously. just just on trump's personality because he is going to be the biggest personality in the world for the next four

years. >> but you're someone who has to push back on this valencia floods because you're suggesting to viewers that actually the climate goes the way it will. we perhaps will all end up somehow like valencia. there's many people that have debunked blaming the valencian floods. >> i know i've said we can't we can't be sure that it was caused by climate change. >> but what we know is many people have categorically what we know is that climate change can cause those sorts of events, and we have to guard against it, whether that's with net zero. >> and i would argue it is, or other measures to make sure that as temperatures rise, we are prepared for them. but i can tell you, if we're going to go down the climate change route, you look at bangladesh and how low lying that is, and you ask yourself what sort of migrant crisis we might have in the future if we don't get on top of climate change. i just quickly want to ask ben about personality. you're someone who claims to defend traditional values. i do you want to talk to people and with people with respect. you would not use the sort of language, for example, that seb gorka uses. why are you comfortable? if you are, why are you comfortable with some of the

things the many things that donald trump says, the aggression, the aggression, the violent rhetoric about women. just for example, i cannot associate that with you. >> well, i wouldn't express myself the way donald trump does, but the american people have. he's just been through a trial by the biggest mandate that you can possibly get, which is being judged by the american people. and they've looked at everything that's on the record and they've and they've and they've come to the conclusion that the egregious act by the democrats and let me say, millions of people would have died as a result of democrat decisions, including in ukraine, including in the middle east, including in the middle east, including in the middle east, including in afghanistan. >> putin, including including in afghanistan years ago, 70 years. >> can i just say something? the reason in significant part , the reason in significant part, the reason in significant part, the reason russia invaded ukraine, is because it assessed the west to be weak and part of the reason it assessed the west to be weak is because of the ignominious way biden exited afghanistan . you will remember afghanistan. you will remember the imagery of america pulling out at midnight from a country it had occupied for 22 years,

and then c—130s taking off with afghani civilians clinging to the wings and falling hundreds of feet to their death process. >> donald trump, let me ask you this because you're making important points which are debateable. by the way, do you think it's an act of strength from an american president? for goodness sake, to cosy up to the dictator of north korea, has the dictator of north korea, has the dictator of north korea, has the dictator of north korea, kim? has he given up his nuclear weapons because trump sent him effectively? love letters. >> come on. »- >> come on. >> the leader of north korea received both threats as well as pleadings from trump. it was it was quite a clever bit of diplomacy that trump deployed in his last administration to prevent a war kicking off in the far east. what we what democrats do, obama did biden's done is cause wars. actually trump dunng cause wars. actually trump during his last presidency didn't start a single war. that's quite something. >> let's revisit the point you just made about women, because this was i mean, the pollsters all got it wrong. i can't even be bothered to go through all

their predictions because they were just out and out wrong. catastrophically wrong. i'd be embarrassed, actually, if i was a pollster today, but anyway, you say about women and we were all told that all these women, they're going to come out in their droves to for vote kamala harris. they didn't. their droves to for vote kamala harris. they didn't . so if he is harris. they didn't. so if he is as bad as you make out a risk to women, a threat to women and all this to women, then why didn't the american women en masse to the american women en masse to the way that we had been, had our expectations set? why didn't they turn against him then? if he's that bad? >> i think it's a really good question, and i don't think i'm best placed to answer for american women. what i know is that there's huge division, so you might get christian women who are pro—life and you get a lot of american women, of course, as you do british women who are pro—choice. and there will be american women who are in their millions, potentially, who are terrified of the repercussions for their bodily autonomy. right. this is so, so key. isn't it? you know, we could debate abortion, and i do

actually have respect for views on all sides of this. but if you talk to so many women in this country, the idea that their health might be put at risk because of religious and ideological convictions is truly terrifying. >> let me tell you why this whole argument doesn't wash with me as a woman . so just to be me as a woman. so just to be absolutely clear, by the way, i am pro—choice, within limits. that's my personal position, but i think it is so offensive, so grossly offensive that women's bodily rights have become this kind of ping pong, ping pong ball batted around for electoral gain because actually, if the democrats were so passionate about women's rights and protecting choice and all the rest of it , this whole roe rest of it, this whole roe v wade, this could have been codified in federal law in 2009 by obama. he said that that's what he was going to do. he had a supermajority. he had the ability to literally , literally ability to literally, literally codhy ability to literally, literally codify that roe decision in federal law. so it wouldn't have been such he didn't do that. so

the reason that this was permitted to be overturned was one of the reasons that many people would lay this at the doom people would lay this at the door, actually not of the republicans, but of the democrats. >> so you're seriously blaming obama for the fact that there has been almost a sort of war? and i don't mean that literally. obviously waged by the christian and right wing republicans on women's right, which you believe in to choose. and i find that absolutely astonishing that the attacks on women's autonomy of their body. and i happen to agree with you about choice within limits, you know, up to a certain point, we've probably got it just about right. doesn't mean that i don't think abortion is awful. of course it's awful. it's awful for the women involved. but the idea that this is somehow to be pinned on obama seems to me utterly surreal. >> i don't think it's surreal. i think it's a very sensible point, and i wish more people were actually making it. i believe that democrats have taken this issue because they know it's something they can dine out on when it comes to

elections, and i think it's appalling that obama didn't do what he said he would do in 2009, when he had the ability to do it, and that left it open to attack. so they need to look inwards in their own mirrors. the attackers. >> you don't blame the republicans who are doing the attack? >> no, no, no. >> can i just let me be categorically clear? no, i don't i blame the person, the party that had the ability to properly protect those things. >> the republicans have that ability to trump could do that now, couldn't he? >> and i don't believe he has got influence in the supreme court. he appointed some of these justices. if trump wants to protect your rights as a woman, he could do that in the next four years. >> your position is categorically clear. what he's saying. i don't believe all of this propaganda saying that donald trump actually wants to refuse women their rights. what he said categorically, repeatedly is that his belief is that it's about right now, which is it's done at a state level. he's not trying to remove women's right to choose a federal level or anything like that. he's saying that he

believes that the states themselves, themselves should be able to choose. >> and that's why his justices the effect of that on on women such as yourself can be devastating and devastating to their physical and mental health. and it is his justices. >> it could have been put in the supreme court that dealt with 2009, and it wasn't. it could be fixed and it can be fixed now, but it can be fixed then it can be fixed. >> can i just tangentially know icant? >>i icant? >> i was supposed to go into a break, but i couldn't help but respond. i couldn't help myself. but look, i promise you, some of responses. i will give you them after the

hello everybody. michelle dewberry matt stadlen and ben habib. till 7:00 tonight. we're just having a heated debate there about the impact on women of a trump victory. jeanette i like you, jeanette. you say i am a woman and i support trump. she

says women's rights are being violated currently by democrats by allowing men who think that they're women to be allowed to compete in sporting choices, she says. by the way , everyone has says. by the way, everyone has choices. there are other things, such as morning after pills, etc. choice, she says , will etc. choice, she says, will always be there for people . always be there for people. look, i want to just bring this back to the uk because i want to look at some of the reaction that we've had to trump's victory. this is where i start laughing. i can't help it. let's look at david lammy. let's start with david lammy. first up, shall we? he took to twitter, basically congratulating real donald trump on his victory. basically congratulating real donald trump on his victory . the donald trump on his victory. the uk has no greater friend than the us with a special relationship being cherished, he says. relationship being cherished, he says . it goes on relationship being cherished, he says. it goes on ed relationship being cherished, he says . it goes on ed davey saying says. it goes on ed davey saying it's a dark , dark day for people it's a dark, dark day for people around the globe. the world's largest economy and most powerful military will be led by a dangerous, destructive demagogue , rory stewart. of

demagogue, rory stewart. of course, he categorically got it all wrong, but he says he's heartbroken. basically , that heartbroken. basically, that donald trump is president. the alarming thing very different responses between lammy and davie, by the way, because lammy is doing what i think he should be doing, to be fair to him, which is recognising trump's victory, being polite to him, hang on, because while we're talking, i'm going to be playing some of lammy's. let's just roll some of lammy's. let's just roll some of lammy's. let's just roll some of the previous tweets from lammy whilst you're talking, because what i was going to say so lammy is clearly said in the past when he was an mp, but definitely not part of the government, he has said he's called donald trump out for what he believes he is part of the digital footprint. >> we all klux klan, we all, we all live by now. >> but this is, i think, where it's relevant to point out that, yes, of course that's awkward. but boris johnson, when he was mayor of london, said that trump was clearly out of his mind and that he was unfit for office. that did not prevent trump and bofis that did not prevent trump and boris johnson getting on well. and of course, we've had boris johnson effusively, i think,

celebrating trump's election today so you can get over these things. >> but getting on with lammy, i think is going to be more challenging than getting on with bofis challenging than getting on with boris johnson. >> they had dinner, they had dinner this summer. lammy hasn't got a brain he was given. >> lammy hasn't got a brain. >> lammy hasn't got a brain. >> he went to harvard law no, he has not got a brain. >> if you follow what lammy says, he genuinely can't articulate, he can't join the dots and he can't articulate where the joins, where the dots are joined. >> brilliant. >> brilliant. >> he is absolutely hopeless. he's hopeless. and look at his policies. matt, while we're on david on lammy, you know he wants to link british foreign policy to the exportation of net zero policies. so we're not going to trade with people , going to trade with people, we're not going to have alliances with people, countries which haven't adopted net zero. it's as daft as brushes. i don't think that is precisely what he said. the man is a lunatic. >> hang on. we have trade. that is quite extreme language. >> it is. it is extreme. >>— >> it is. it is extreme. >> david lammy is an extreme political figure who wants to be taken seriously. >> david lammy, you ran for, you ran to be an mp. you don't need

to use language. >> stop calling people lunatic. all right? it's being told off. >> go on. but listen. >> go on. but listen. >> look on the lammy thing. do we not have accused trump of being a racist? >> do you have any independent evidence for trump being a racist? >> terrible things donald trump about there, not about mexicans. >> let me tell you, people accuse . people accuse me of accuse. people accuse me of being a racist just because i don't agree with their narrative. the minute they want to shut down the debate, they accuse you of being a racist. dawn butler did that the other day. she's still in the labour party. she should have been booted out for what she said about kemi. >> can i just return to david lammy? >> yeah , he has done the right >> yeah, he has done the right thing clearly because he is now our foreign secretary and we need to have continued to have a special relationship with america. >> we've both said throughout the show americans have voted in their majority. i think he's won their majority. i think he's won the popular vote for goodness sake. hasn't happened to a republican for 20 years. this is a major comeback, a major achievement by a 70 year old 78 year old man who i've got no time for at all. but lammy does have to have time for him because he is our foreign secretary and you have to do

business with america. we already do business with china. it's a dictatorship. we do business with saudi arabia. >> we've got to pare that back and that's why trump is going discussion that is all i'm saying is if you are a grown up politician, as david lammy is, and if you are in government, you have to suck up the reality. >> you might think that trump is a dreadful human being, as i do, but you've still got to work with him in the interests of british businesses, in the interests of exporting. as i said, i was hosting these awards today for made in britain, which was celebrating british manufacturing. we want them to be able to continue to export to america. >> you speak about growing up, grown ups in politics. i have just got to show you this clip, everybody, because it's made me chuckle all day long. so it has this is carla denyer, so she is the green mp. just listen to this. >> i know that like me, many of you will be feeling fearful this morning. a convicted criminal, a fascist who does not respect the rule of law, is once again set to become leader of the most powerful country in the world. for a man who denies the reality of climate change has no respect

for the truth and engineered the overturning of women's right to choose. overturning of women's right to choose . for him to have so much choose. for him to have so much power feels frightening. his relentless attacks on migrants , relentless attacks on migrants, his racism, his misogyny, his homophobia it leaves many in our communities feeling threatened this morning. so on this dark day , i want to say that we stand day, i want to say that we stand in solidarity with all those who dreaded this moment and must now live with its consequences, including those in gaza and ukraine. >> it's a bit melodramatic, but that is. look , this is the that is. look, this is the people's channel, so—called. thatis people's channel, so—called. that is how a lot of people in this country feel. i don't feel personally traumatised by trump's re—election apart from anything else. i've got muscle memory from the first time, but it's easier for her and as a green party mp and for ed davey as a lib dem leader who are not in government to say exactly what they think about donald trump, whereas lammy and starmer have to be grown up about it. >> i think it's embarrassing. i also, i must say that because i have found politics quite depressing recently, that did

make me laugh. a candlelit vigil basically because someone you don't like, well, i just want political office. i mean, come on, i just want to say what i wanted to say during the programme all along, during the programme, which is this, that i agree with matt. >> no. trump gives the british government the opportunity now to reverse all the years of damage through the ideology, which, by the way, has also set back women's rights terribly. like one of your tweeters said, not only do they women have to compete with men in sport, now they've got to share toilets with them. and we see burkas habitually on the streets of the united kingdom, which i see as the outer expression of the inward repression of women. all of this through this kind of woke ideology, which has gripped the country. what we have now is an opportunity for people like lammy and starmer to recognise across the pond, our biggest ally is going in the opposite direction. they better get on that bandwagon. >> well , whatever you that bandwagon. >> well, whatever you think about donald trump, brian says, michelle, please can you say if

donald trump's watching, can you ask him to say lammy? you're fired. i don't think he will do that. actually, lots of you saying lots, lots of you are saying lots, lots of you are saying that you feel the world is now safer as a result of donald trump. whatever you think it certainly made politics a whole load more interesting and amusing. look, that's all i've got time for. thank you for your company tonight. thanks for yours, too. have a good night, everyone. i'll see you tomorrow night . night. >> we'll see a cold snap . oh. >> we'll see a cold snap. oh. which will quickly develop into a warm front. boxt boiler repairs sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. i'm here with your latest gb news. weather forecast coming to you from the met office. it's going to stay pretty cloudy, but generally dry as we go through tonight and into tomorrow. we still have high pressure dominating our weather. it is to the east of us, but nonetheless keeping things pretty settled and any weather systems to the west of us are staying at bay . but with

us are staying at bay. but with that high pressure, we have a lot of cloud. that cloud is going to be quite thick, could be quite low in some places. some hill fog through tonight in a few places, and also some outbreaks of drizzly rain. the greatest chance of any clear skies will be across northern parts of scotland and the far north of england. the cloud will keep things pretty mild, temperatures for many, staying in double figures , so a mild in double figures, so a mild grey and for some damp start to the day for many tomorrow some places will have some sunshine through the morning, particularly northern scotland. some breaks in the cloud quite likely here across more central western parts , thicker cloud and western parts, thicker cloud and a bit of drizzly rain. quite likely, especially over any higher ground. further south across northern ireland and the bulk of england and wales. it is looking like it will be another grey, gloomy start to the day. there could be some hill fog around, perhaps not as much as we saw through today. nonetheless, there will also be a few outbreaks of drizzly rain . a few outbreaks of drizzly rain. nothing heavy and any drizzly rain should last particularly long. most of us will actually avoid it, but yes, there could

be some damp weather around staying cloudy still. just the best chance of any sunshine will best chance of any sunshine will be across the far north of scotland. perhaps north wales and eastern england in the sunshine. not feeling too bad and generally temperatures on the mild side. highs in the mid teens for many of us spot the difference when it comes to looking at friday again. lots of grey cloudy skies across the uk. still some sunshine breaking through again towards the north of scotland. northern england, nonh of scotland. northern england, north wales the best chance of catching any sunshine . staying catching any sunshine. staying pretty similar as we go into the weekend. another grey, mostly dry day on saturday and staying that way on sunday in the south but further north we may see some wet and windy weather for it. >> a nice bright morning will generate a lovely warm day right through to the evening.

>> welcome to farage with me christopher hope. >> this will truly be the golden

age of america. that's what we have to have . have to have. >> he's back. donald trump will be the 47th president of the united states of america , with united states of america, with multiple senior cabinet members having insulted and degraded the president elect. what will this mean for trade and our special relationship later? mps have called for the prime minister to extend the olive branch to mr farage to help build the uk's bndges farage to help build the uk's bridges with the trump team. but will sir keir starmer listen to nigel farage? we'll be going across the pond to catch up with the man himself. yep, nigel farage, the farmer's son, has shared with us that his father took his own life fearing the impact of the government's inheritance tax rate on family farms. later in the show, i'll be speaking with him about this devastating loss . all of that to devastating loss. all of that to come. but first, the news with mark white.