but anyway, that was biden speaking out today. so let me ask you , why do you think kamala ask you, why do you think kamala harris lost so badly? and a massive european meeting today where keir starmer signed a deal with the falklands to help smash the gangs. is this it then? do we have the answer or not? and something that's been neglected because of all the trump stuff is kemeys cabinet. is this it? is this the one that will beat the labour party? and what do you think to this? should prince harry's immigration application be made public? of course, this relates to allegations of previous drug taking. some want want president trump to kick him out of the country. your thoughts ? what a world we live thoughts? what a world we live in, ladies and gents. look , in, ladies and gents. look, keeping me company till seven michelle donelan. the former conservative minister and bill rammell, the former labour minister. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live for the 6:00 news.

>> good evening. it's just gone. 6:00 i'm sarah hill with your latest headlines in the gb newsroom. the top story this evening, president joe biden has told americans to accept the choice. americans made and bring down the temperature following vice president kamala harris's defeat to donald trump in the us election. speaking at the white house, the president says the us electoral system is fair and can be trusted with just 74 days until president elect donald trump enters the white house, biden reminded americans of their responsibility to make the next weeks count . next weeks count. >> for over 200 years, america has carried on the greatest experiment in self—government in the history of the world and that's not hyperbole. that's a fact. we're the people. the people vote and choose their own leaders, and they do it peacefully. and we're in a democracy. the will of the people always prevails. yesterday i spoke with president elect trump to congratulate him

on his victory , and i assured on his victory, and i assured him that i direct my entire administration to work with his team to ensure a peaceful and orderly transition back in the uk, the interest rates being cut by a quarter of a percent, only the second reduction in almost four years, with rates down from 5% to 4.75%. >> bank of england governor andrew bailey says we need to make sure inflation stays close to target, so we can't cut interest rates too quickly or by too much. chancellor rachel reeves said with interest rates on a downward path, the labour government is a world away from the last parliament. >> it's welcome news for millions of homeowners and businesses that interest rates have been cut today to 4.75%. i do, though, recognise that for many people who took out mortgages a few years ago, they're still looking at higher rates because of the spike in interest rates after the conservative mini—budget two years ago . years ago. >> cheshire police say. mp mike

amesbury has been charged with assault following an incident in frodsham. a video had emerged of him appearing to punch a man to the ground, according to the police, the 55 year old is set to appear in magistrates court at a later date. the charge relates to reports of an assault on a 45 year old man in frodsham, which was reported to the police on the 26th of october. mike amesbury has said he's continuing to cooperate with the police after being summoned to court over a deeply regrettable incident , summoned to court over a deeply regrettable incident, and sir keir starmer is set to sign a deal with balkan nations today to target people smuggling gangs in hungary at the fifth eu summit, 46 european leaders will discuss issues including economic security as well as migration concerns. the prime minister has been holding bilateral meetings with european leaders today, including president zelenskyy . meanwhile, president zelenskyy. meanwhile, the summit will also address donald trump's win as the bloc focuses on how to accommodate the country's 47th president. the prime minister was once again asked on his view on their special relationship. >> i had a very good meeting with president elect trump a few

weeks ago when we had dinner together in new york, and that was very positive, very constructive, as i think you know, and obviously i had a phone call with him last night, again, very positive, very constructive. and as i've said many, many times, the special relationship between the uk and the us was forged in very difficult circumstances. historically, in our joint view, it's as important today as it's ever been. >> prime minister and some royal news to end prince william. prince william has met with volunteers at the national sea rescue institute station near cape town, as his four day royal tour comes to a close. the prince of wales is in south africa to promote his earthshot environmental prize, which held its annual award ceremony in cape town on wednesday night . cape town on wednesday night. the prince of wales will be a special guest at the cape town barbecue this evening to draw to a close his tour of south africa. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm cyril. more in an hour.

>> thank you very much for that. my >> thank you very much for that. my name is michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside with my panel , michelle donelan, the panel, michelle donelan, the former conservative minister and bill rammell former labour minister. good evening to you. if one michel is not enough, you've got two of us. what a treat for you all. you know the drill on this programme. it's not just about us. it is about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. you can email me at gb views @gbnews. com. you can tweet or x me or of course you can go to the website which is gbnews.com/yoursay. and don't forget, if you're sitting there thinking, oh, i need to go out, pick the kids up, grandkids, whatever, you can take us with you. because of course we are on your radio. there's no escaping us, quite frankly, and i love it. but look, shall we talk tonight? i was quite giddy last night, wasn't i? you'll be pleased to know i've calmed down

a little bit tonight. normal service has resumed when it comes to the american elections. joe biden , he has been speaking joe biden, he has been speaking out to the nation. let's have a listen to what he has to say. >> something i hope we can do. no matter who you voted for , is no matter who you voted for, is see each other, not as adversaries , but as fellow adversaries, but as fellow americans. bring down the temperature. i also hope we can lay to rest the question about the integrity of the american electoral system. it is honest. it is fair, and it is transparent. >> there you go. let's listen . >> there you go. let's listen. other stuff he had to say setbacks are unavoidable , but setbacks are unavoidable, but giving up is unforgivable. >> setbacks are unavoidable. but giving up is unforgivable . we giving up is unforgivable. we all get knocked down, but the measure of our character is, my dad would say, is how quickly we get back up. remember , a defeat get back up. remember, a defeat does not mean we are defeated .

does not mean we are defeated. >> i have got to say, i do like the american kind of response, a reaction to failure. i do find it quite inspiring. i have to say. but fail they did. why do you think kamala harris lost this election? >> so i think ultimately people voted to be better off, which we saw in this country as well. it's been very hard with the cost of living crisis, and people felt that trump could provide that for them. what he did in his last term in office was really prioritise his economic policy on america first, and making sure that american interests and american businesses were constantly at the top of his agenda. and people felt comforted that his focus was going to give them more money in their pockets and look after their families. and also that he was going to tackle issues like immigration and what the democrats did wrongly was they segregated people into different demographic groups and were looking at black women and this, this demographic group and that demographic group and forgetting that as a whole, people genuinely want their families to be better off and

they want a fair country to live in, where if people come to the country and seek immigration, they do that legally. >> bill rammell yeah, i think you can overanalyze this. the biggest factor was the cost of living. i was listening to a radio program before the election . an american couple election. an american couple talked about buying a frozen chicken that two years ago cost them $11, now cost them $20. and that's hit incumbent governments everywhere. so i think that was the biggest factor. i think immigration was a driver as well. and i think kamala harris is the tone of her response on immigration was wrong. you know , immigration was wrong. you know, actually the border crossings are less now than they were four years ago when trump was in power. but she projected a sense of not being concerned about tackling immigration. and i think progressive governments do that at their peril. and i also think there was a i was listening on election night to sarah palin. and i disagree with her politically, but she's quite an astute political commentator. and she said part of this was a

kind of rage against the machine , kind of rage against the machine, in a sense, like the brexit reaction. and i think for progressives , that's a difficult progressives, that's a difficult challenge to handle . i also challenge to handle. i also think there was a lack of clarity of message from kamala harris and in part, even though i'm a joe biden fan, you know, he stood down very, very late and she only had, what, 107 days to define herself. and it wasn't enough. >> i do think it'll be interesting to see what happens to prices in america, because donald trump is talking tough. he's going to deport millions of people, potentially, that work in a lot of low skilled jobs. that will be interesting to see what that does with wages and therefore prices. so it'll be interesting to see what happens on that inflation front. but michelle, let me ask you this. people are still saying today, oh , kamala didn't win because oh, kamala didn't win because loads of people are racist and misogyny. i mean, i shouldn't laugh because i said i wouldn't laugh because i said i wouldn't laugh today. i'm taking it all

seriously again. but. and that she's a woman and that people just can't bring themselves to elect somebody like that. what do you think to that? >> i think i think people need to wake up and smell the coffee. donald trump was extremely popular. he won this election. hands down, because people proactively voted for him because they believed that he was the better choice for their country. and denying that and blaming this or blaming that, or casting aspersions on those people's characters is wrong. and we've seen that from commentators in this country as well. like looking to impose almost their will on the american public when actually democracy has spoken . trump has democracy has spoken. trump has won. woi'i. >> won. >> did anyone see the front page of the mirror today? i thought that was appalling. yeah. so you've got british newspaper basically saying like, what have they done again? basically like they done again? basically like the shame of it. and i thought, who do you think you are? >> yeah. again, i think the tone of that is wrong. look, you know, i bow to nobody in my criticism of trump. i think the

man's a monster. and i think he's going to be disastrous for america and the international community. but you have to think that's a bit ridiculous. bill. no, no, no, i don't i think he's a real danger. >> is he a monster? >> is he a monster? >> legal cases against him refusing to accept the result of the last american presidential election and inciting people to erupt in violent protest in washington, not upholding the constitution of the united states. i could go on, but you have a lot of people, including him, by the way, would disagree with an awful lot of what you've just said. >> but anyway, go on. >> but anyway, go on. >> well, i think what happened in washington four years ago was fact, in january the 7th. but you have to accept that he has won and actually it was always on the cards that he would win , on the cards that he would win, but not this emphatically. the polls were wrong. he's not only won the electoral college, he's won the electoral college, he's won the electoral college, he's won the popular vote. and i think there needs to be a lot of soul searching within the democrats about why he did that, and why they didn't present a better challenge to him. >> yeah. and i mean, i think this whole notion of like people thinking that he's a monster.

and we had people on here the other day debating about democracy in this post next term, people were saying, oh, people like oprah winfrey for example, the final rally, oprah winfrey saying, oh, you know , winfrey saying, oh, you know, vote, you know, go out and vote because it might be the last time you ever get the chance, you ever get the opportunity to vote. and i'm laughing because i just find it so . just find it so. >> but but she's just repeating what trump said . trump said at what trump said. trump said at a rally this could be the last time you get to vote now. you know, i think partly that's his scattergun approach in his use of language. but, you know, he has represented a real threat to democracy. he emphatically did that four years ago. but we have to accept that he is one. and, you know, we've got to work internationally. we've got to work with him and build bridges. >> what i find interesting about people that don't like donald trump is when it suits them. they will say that donald trump speaks a load of nonsense and all this and that. and then when it also suits them, they will

literally hang on his every single word, like some of the most ludicrous things that he says, which nobody would think that he actually means in all seriousness. but yet they're held on to and quoted as kind of definitely this is what he said, and therefore it's going to happen. i do find it a bit ridiculous if i am entirely honest. >> it's realpolitik. you know, you have to accept that he's won. he's the president of the united states in uk terms, the us is our biggest international strategic partner. we've got to work with him. >> well, you say we've got to work with him. the conversation is who should work with him because nigel farage, obviously he's offered himself up as some kind of go between starmer etc. pretty much say no thank you. but do you think they should take nigel up on that? >> i read his article that he wrote today. it was a good article. it had some good points about the relationship that we need to forge to continue to build on the special relationship, but the reality is we shouldn't be having farage do this, this role. the government needs to actually govern and get on with it. and keir starmer and his his foreign secretary somehow need to manage the, the,

the difficulties that they've got themselves into. they have botched up that relationship slightly. they have tainted our image on the international stage. they need to undo that repair that , and they can't be repair that, and they can't be relying on somebody from another political party . you know, this political party. you know, this government has to get on and govern. >> one thing that i do find very odd, because obviously labour is saying that they're not going to embrace nigel farage. i found it really weird looking at people like keir starmer today posted this picture of himself looking at a telephone saying that he'd had this telephone conversation with keir starmer. you've got angela rayner tweeting out saying that she's had this telephone call with jd vance and all the rest of it. so it's like they're really trying to i don't know if they're trying to convince themselves or everybody else that they've got this great relationship with trump et al. do you think, too, that you've got to work at the relationship and look, you know, yes , labour and look, you know, yes, labour cabinet ministers have said disparaging things about donald trump, no worse than the vice

president elect, jd vance has said about donald trump, where he actually said he was a neo—nazi and he was like richard nixon. >> so, you know, you've got to put that behind you. you've got to work with the incoming trump administration. but in terms of nigel farage, no, we most certainly should not appoint him as some kind of emissary to the us. why not? because nigel's interested in nigel. he doesn't represent the government. he doesn't represent the uk government's foreign policy. and frankly, you couldn't trust him. he would be using it for his own advantage. you know, we've got a whole diplomatic corps. we've got a foreign secretary, we've got a foreign secretary, we've got a foreign secretary, we've got a prime minister. it's through them that we build the relationship with the administration . administration. >> is that fair enough? are you sitting at home thinking, no, you should get nigel involved? or do you think that this case has been presented well and he shouldn't be anywhere near it? get in touch and let me know your thoughts. there's been a big meeting today and including the eu and much broader looking at things like, how do we

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