quinoa and clutching their quinoa and herbal tea, muttering not him again. it's like they're watching a horror film , but watching a horror film, but trump's the one wielding the chainsaw against the west's wild woke. and what about labour's latest masterstroke.7 they're banging on about a four day working week. it's very important to them, folks, because keir starmer, well, he needs an extra day to try on his latest finds from lord alli bebe. and meanwhile , bebe. and meanwhile, productivity's diving faster than a seagull after a chip. it's like a bad sitcom where labour's the bumbling main character, clueless, but somehow convinced that they're saving the day. and just when you think it couldn't get any dafter. here we all are. free bus passes for illegal migrants. while you and i are expected to pay up. it's labour's latest big idea. their slogan, my friends, for the illegal, not the indigenous. you couldn't make it up. now, my friends, i wonder what they're putting in their tea. it's no

wonder that loads of them want to legalise drugs. i tell you that nuttier than a glaswegian pub at closing time. but joining me today, i've got will kingston, our speccy podcaster from down under. he's here to bite into the issues like a great white on a surfboard. we've got doctor renee always brightens my day. ready to diagnose labour's delusions before they can even say net zero.7 she's the only voice of reason in the room. if reason hasn't packed up and left already. alex armstrong from london. but miracle of all miracles, my friends, he's got none of that metropolitan moaning. it's well, he's as rare as hen's tooth. and last but certainly loudest, kai will show the welsh wailer himself. he's woken up to power the national grid. he's the blairite babe who'll defend sir keir in the hopes that santas left a few trinkets from lord alli in his christmas stocking. just don't ask him the difference, my friends, between a man and a

woman. it's not on the syllabus at blairite hq. now grab yourself a cuppa or something stronger. you'll need it when kai gets going. i'll tell you that strap yourself in. this is the saturday five. where the show where common sense gets a seat at the table and the week's absurdities are stripped bare. and then some. you know the drill. each host outlines their argument about a chosen topic. then were all pile in in the first starts to fly. get me your views. send them in to gb news .com forward slash yoursay. but more important than our gobs. and don't forget to ask your questions for ask the five. there's no topic off limits, but before we start tearing each other apart, here's your saturday night news with sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> dara. thank you. good evening. it'sjust >> dara. thank you. good evening. it's just gone. 6:00. these are your headlines from the gb newsroom. the queen is set to miss remembrance events this weekend to ensure she makes a full recovery from a chest

infection. queen camilla had hoped to join the royal family at the royal british legion festival of remembrance this evening. and to honour the war dead at the remembrance sunday ceremony on whitehall. this comes as buckingham palace has said the princess of wales would attend both the remembrance sunday service at the cenotaph and the festival of remembrance at the royal albert hall tonight . at the royal albert hall tonight. bohs at the royal albert hall tonight. boris johnson has suggested that donald trump would certainly do a trade deal with the uk. the former prime minister said the us president elect is offering economic hope, but that the government would be too pathetic to try to secure a deal. meanwhile, nigel farage said the uk needs to roll out the red carpet for trump and that america is our most important relationship in terms of trade . relationship in terms of trade. farage also said he would help mend fences between sir keir starmer's government and the incoming trump administration, following tensions over previous comments. >> this is a pro—british american president that gives us

potentially huge opportunities if we can overcome the difficulties that the whole of the cabinet have been rude about him, i might be useful as an interlocutor, unofficially behind the scenes, to try and help mend some of those fences. if the government choose to use me, i would do that, not because i support the labour government, but because i believe in something called the national interest. >> meanwhile, joe biden has ianed >> meanwhile, joe biden has invited donald trump to meet him invited donald trump to meet him in the white house next week. the sitting president and the president elect will meet in the oval office on wednesday. the post—election invitation is a tradition held between the outgoing and incoming presidents to the middle east, now, where qatar has threatened to stop mediating a gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal until hamas and israel show a sincere willingness to return to the negotiating table. officials have told hamas that it will no longer host its political office unless a terrorist group and israel engage in constructive and meaningful talks. the gulf

country has served as a mediator between the two sides since the conflict began last october, after hamas attacks on israel and back in the uk. the deputy president of the nfu, david eastwood, has said there's many things wrong with the budget and that it's threatened food supplies. this comes as farmers are planning a protest in central london on the 19th of november. it's in response to rachel reeves changes to inheritance tax on farmers . inheritance tax on farmers. those are the latest gb news headlines. more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gb news. >> com forward slash alerts . >> com forward slash alerts. >> com forward slash alerts. >> cheers, sophia. >> cheers, sophia. >> it's saturday night, my friends, and you're with the saturday five. i thank you very

much for your company. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for a very lively show. we're going to crack on with tonight's first debate. which one of you. oh, that was fast. she means business. take it away, doctor. renee. i do indeed. >> so never again is happening. and the liberal left are refusing to look. this week there have been the most appalling scenes in amsterdam when an israeli football team went to play football. there were some vile scenes between both sides before the match, but it's what happened. post—match that any normal, decent human being should recoil at horror at. we've got some footage. it is distressing, so look away if you think that it will upset you . you think that it will upset you. >> it's the shamatha sunak.

>> it's the shamatha sunak. >> so rampaging gangs of middle eastern men hunted amsterdam for down jewish men to attack. they organised themselves via telegram and via a taxi app. and in fact, one taxi driver decided to use his taxi as a weapon to run a jewish man over. we have that clip to again look away. if you're upset easily raisi . you're upset easily raisi. >> tommie gorman guy anker. flicker . flicker. >> so jewish people were forced to run, to hide, to seek refuge wherever they could, just like they did on october the 7th. and just like they did in 1938. germany, on this very day . then germany, on this very day. then in kristallnacht, a pogrom where 17 7000 jewish businesses were destroyed, where 30,000 jewish men were rounded up and sent to

concentration camps to their death. and we know where this ended. it ended with 6 million jewish people being murdered in concentration camps, and it also ended with the world saying, never again. well, never again has never been closer than just again. and we are seeing that jews are being hunted down on our streets every weekend. we are allowing hate marches where slogans such as from the river to the sea, jihad and especially globalise the infidel are being given free passage as the metropolitan police and the leftie liberals look the other way. well, you know what globalise the invitada is. it's what happened in amsterdam this week. it's what happened on october. the seventh. and if this isn't enough to make the liberals uncover their eyes and take their fingers out of their ears , we are going to see this ears, we are going to see this on our streets until there's only one group of people left. >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah.

>> kiss goodbye to your nice, hard fought for rights and liberties. i heard yesterday on this very channel, there was a certain someone on the panel. this one here, and there were certain excuses made, shall we say context. context , context say context. context, context needed. and also. oh, well, it was a football game. listen, renee, i've attended many football games and i have never hand on heart , never sought out hand on heart, never sought out an ethnic group and looked at passports all the rest of it in the name of football hooliganism. i've never heard of that happening . you know that happening. you know i don't. well, i've been known to scout out a sunderland t—shirt now and then, but i've never kicked the living hell out of anyone. >> and we saw this week we saw these protesters standing outside a jewish community centre where i live, shouting at elderly people as they as they walked by making elderly women cry. we are hunting out jewish people . we're not far from the people. we're not far from the next step. and i'm afraid this is the anti—semitism that's acceptable to the liberal left

for some weird reason. >> what do you think? i mean, it's going to take then, for people like kai to wake up. >> well, if amsterdam isn't that thing, then i don't think anything will. this was an organised attack on a jewish group. imagine it was the other way round. imagine they were hunting out black people. >> imagine what was really interesting just to say about what? the panel. because this was a big thing last night. obviously it was clipped up. i know a lot of people tuned in a lot of the context that was supposedly added. and i have to say, i wasn't one of those people. i was trying to give some extra details on the story, but a lot of the context that were added were saying, this is what football hooliganism. hooliganism looks like. and i was saying i don't know how many football fans get run over in a taxi after a football game that would be in in most cases, extremists have used an app to find out where they are. >> yes. hang on, i've got to bnng >> yes. hang on, i've got to bring you in. what do you mean, renee? >> you know that i think this is horrifying, right? i can't believe that. we've got to the point where the israeli

government is sending rescue planes full of medical personnel to try and get their israeli citizens home. thankfully, i think the majority of them have citizens. but you know, i don't think that's right. i think it's horrifying. but let's not draw a direct line from something that happenedin direct line from something that happened in amsterdam. and then the largely very, very peaceful protests that have happened in our streets here. now, you look at the arrests that have been taking place, not 17, i think in october, after the peaceful protest of tens of thousands of people through london, four in july, i think it's a testament to the fact that the uk has such a strong, peaceful, protesting culture that actually these things haven't been seen and i don't think we will. >> but when fascism starts peacefully, this is the problem . peacefully, this is the problem. fascism starts peacefully. it starts with people protesting a certain thing. and this has happened with the nazis. they protested so—called peacefully in air quotes, and their freedom of speech allowed them to get more and more aggressive rhetoric. and they were emboldened because they weren't as quickly. >> i just want to hear you expand on that a little bit

more, but my concern is the kinds of things that you care about, like lgbt equality and all the rest of it. they aren't supported by some of what i would describe as theological fascists, and they are the kinds of people that are out supporting hamas and cheering them on on the streets of london thatis them on on the streets of london that is happening in the united kingdom. >> i don't think that's true of the vast majority of british muslims. you can't conflate can't conflate the views of different countries where some of these people migrated from and so on with british muslims. i mean, that is that is going too far on that march. >> and i saw people with signs that have been on that march celebrating the houthis bombing our sailors. that's globalising i would leave, i would leave the march, and that's fair enough. >> but that's a so many so few isolated incidents of that happening. and they always we always find them. and that's right, that those people would be would be arrested. but that's not the majority of people. the majority of people at those protests won't see any such thing. >> you know, when, when the,

when the, the first marches took place in london, i put out a clip that was from london. it was actually by the people who were protesting and they said, there's one very strong clip that stays in my mind. they said, we want to hunt down jews and spill their blood. so we know there's people who aren't just football hooligans who are going out causing these. >> well, will is the. sorry. will is the point here. not that amsterdam. you know, when i think of amsterdam, i automatically think of anne frank. right? that's that's where my head goes. now, if you think about the persecution of people like anne for the simple fact that she was jewish, sought out and ultimately exterminated at the as a child at the hands of the nazi regime. now, to me that we are heading back to those dark days, i genuinely think that that's the case that's happening. and if it can happenin that's happening. and if it can happen in amsterdam, it can happen in amsterdam, it can happen here, surely. >> well, it's the same ideological strand that runs through the liberal left, across outside, across across shouting gas, the jews across across the world now. and the really galling thing for me about this

whole saga is that this liberal left haven't been afraid to call out fascists or to call out, you know, so—called hitler 2.0. but that's been in the case of donald trump, where it is not a fascist, where it is not someone who is akin to hitler when they actually do see genuine , awful actually do see genuine, awful displays of fascism in this day and age. they put their head in the sand. and i find that moral duphchy the sand. and i find that moral duplicity to be, quite frankly, disgusting. >> i don't think anybody's putting their head in the sand. i certainly am not. look, there's obviously more to do, but let's not. also, we're talking when we're talking about oppressed minorities. let's also not take this as a moment and as a stick to beat muslims with ehheni a stick to beat muslims with either. i would love i would love ulez, i would, i would love i want to hear what can i reduce the rights of muslims in this country who who are here, you know, integrating into society ? know, integrating into society? >> it's important that it's important to talk about the fact that it's islamophobia awareness month and highlight those issues, that the kind of issues that sadiq khan has highlighted, those are important, as well as

highlighting atrocities committed against jews in this country. >> i'm not pretending that this isn't horrific and that we could get there in this country. and at that point, i think violence needs to be quelled immediately. >> would you say that islamophobia is the biggest threat facing the united kingdom? >> no no no no no. there there are obviously so many important threats. i think actually probably the threats against jewish people are much more present than i see at the minute in our streets. but islamophobia is also important, and we can't let this be a road towards that. i'm not let that sort of extremism take root. just because we have these two competing minority groups. >> i'm so sick of this word islamophobia. islam is a choice. a religion is a choice that you make. you should be allowed to criticise someone's beliefs that they have made. and we for some reason, are now equating it with race, which is something which you should be off limits . we you should be off limits. we don't have blasphemy. phobia is a nonsense. >> we don't have blasphemy laws in this country, i'm afraid. >> well, we do now, dor de facto. yeah, well, there's

blasphemy laws for one religion, certainly, anyway. right. we'll leave that there. i'm sure there's plenty of views coming in thick and fast at home, but still to come tonight, we'll discuss the relationship between david lammy and donald j. trump. but next. illegal migrants have been moved into a hotel in altrincham in greater manchester. there could be up to 300 of them and, well, i'll tell you what residents ain't too happyis you what residents ain't too happy is the united kingdom now just a dumping ground for illegal migrants ? it's hard to illegal migrants? it's hard to conclude anything else with the saturday five and we're live on gb. news

welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your emails about tonight's topics. even this one, andrew says darren's monologues are the most wonderful mixture of high camp and populist conservatism. iconic. i mean ,

conservatism. iconic. i mean, andrew, you're making me sound like a sort of right wing mr humphries , gerald says. one of humphries, gerald says. one of the reasons the arrests are so low is because the police are letting a lot of illegal behaviour slide, rather than intervening . absolutely. you're intervening. absolutely. you're right. i think a lot of people i agree, especially in london, don't fear any consequences. right now though, it's time for our next debate . which one of our next debate. which one of you is going next? >> this is this is all me. this is all me. well, this week, 300 illegal migrants were dropped off at a hotel in altrincham , off at a hotel in altrincham, manchester. now the community has been in absolute uproar over this. and here's why. it's two minutes walk to a primary school andifs minutes walk to a primary school and it's a ten minute walk to an all girls school. but why don't we take a quick look at what the police had to say to that local community today? >> i can assure you, we've had

asylum seekers in trafford for several years, and there has been no spike in crime. there has been no increase in crime that's attributed to these asylum seekers . asylum seekers. >> well, i appreciate that the police officer is just doing his job. you know, i'm sure that was a pretty hard, you know, graph to put out there that day. but the reality is, is when we compare that to how the police deau compare that to how the police dealt with the muslim community dunng dealt with the muslim community during the riots, it's pretty stark . not only that, but it stark. not only that, but it does feel like those local residents were being gaslit because we all know that when a bunch 300 all men, by the way, show up in a location , show up in a location, particularly in the legal migrant community, i'm not saying they're all criminals, but crime does go up. it's a fact. we've seen it with our own eyes and the local community are outraged. they had no consultation, not a single notice, not a single notice that police officer only showed up

after those migrants had appeared. but let's have a little look at the star of the show of the show. >> a lot of the posts on social media have been racist. i think when you're saying that refugee and asylum seeking men should be vetted to make sure that they're not, i think that's racist . not, i think that's racist. >> unbelievable . sorry, she's >> unbelievable. sorry, she's a moron and i think she represents the disgusting white liberal loser left that are destroying our country . loser left that are destroying our country. to loser left that are destroying our country . to say that it's our country. to say that it's racist to vet for paedophilia , racist to vet for paedophilia, when 300 men show up with a two minute walk to a primary school and a ten minute walk to an all girls school. so i'm asking tonight, are the woke white liberal left of our country the losers ruining destroying britain? yep. we should, we should we should we start with you? >>i you? >> i won't take too kindly to

that characterisation. i mean, i think you know that. that's not what she was trying to say. >> i don't think that is. >> i don't think that is. >> no no no no no no. when you have a camera shoved in front of your face, as many of us know, i think you say some stupid. >> all right, well , think you say some stupid. >> all right, well, hang on, why would you argue that not everyone crossing the channel is dangerous? >> no, i wouldn't say that. all of them are dangerous, right? but of course, some. some will be so. some will be, some will be. but the home office does vet the people crossing the channel. >> no, they don't, they do. >> no, they don't, they do. >> you can't hang on. >> you can't hang on. >> you can't hang on. >> you cannot vet undocumented migrants. you can't you can't vet them. >> how and how do you know that she wasn't she didn't mean to say that. the implication, well, she wanted to say was the implication that all that all of these people are criminals. >> you go back to that. and i think that is right. that is that explain how the home office vets people, because there was a man that came here having killed someone in europe and arrived here, and we had ignored the fact that there will always be cases like that. darren. >> you know that. and the reason we're in this situation is because there are 119,000 asylum

seekers in a backlog left by the ridiculous tory government, so stopped processing of asylum seekers. do you remember the case of tom, the nightclub bouncer who was wanting to be a royal marine, and he was stabbed to death by a migrant that had come here illegally, who had been killed. >> someone in europe arrived here and he's now banged up at his majesty's pleasure. >> i don't think that's right. no. you know, i don't think that's right. but there's a reason why we're here, and i don't see, but i don't i don't see what the alternative is. where are you going? okay. >> just very, very briefly . very >> just very, very briefly. very briefly. there's a very simple way to disprove what you're saying here. and it's the fact that we know that when migrants come to the country, they throw their passports at any documentation they have in the water and plead asylum. we don't know where they're coming from. we don't know their criminal backgrounds. and we are the first country that will possibly ever give them some form of criminal record that can be carried across the west, but that being by the by, let's say in kyrees ideal world, they have got their idea and we can check them. >> and apparently it's racist to

check them to see if they're a. when you want to do a job in the uk, be it a care worker, a doctor, a nurse, work in a gp factory, work in a school, you have to be vetted. is that racist? >> no, i'm not the one saying it is racist. i'm saying the implication, the assumption that all of these people are racist, that. do you know what? >> we shouldn't be surprised, though, renee. we shouldn't be surprised because this is the party. these are the people that said that showing your id at the ballot box, that's racism. but i wonder , did you read that the wonder, did you read that the post office, when they do that a copper pulling you over in your car? it's not racism then. but when it comes to actually the integrity of the ballot box or the integrity of britain's borders and keeping your girls safe, then it's darren. >> darren, can i pick up on this point from kai that this is just going to happen? it's a necessary evil as a result of these people being here. there's a very big difference between, say, a british citizen committing a crime which unfortunately, we can't just boot them out of the country. that's citizenship. every single crime that is committed by someone that comes on a boat is a choice by the government, and

every single crime that comes from those citizens is therefore avoidable. i don't for a second accept that this is just a necessary evil that we have to tolerate. if we actually get our borders under control, those crimes go away. >> but if we go ahead with your line of reasoning, right, what we are doing is looking at people with some of the most harrowing stories. some of them no no no no no no, let me finish. let me finish. some of the most harrowing stories of people trafficking, seeing people trafficking, seeing people in front of their very eyes, drowning in the channel we are putting and we're we're taking a handful of criminals who absolutely should be banged up for what they do. and then that has massive implications for actually the vast majority of peace, of peaceful asylum seekers who have had horrible lives and who are just here to make their lives better and to contribute back to society. >> let me just quickly challenge one other thing, because i think this is really important. did keir starmer not say just a few weeks ago that the hotel policy of putting migrants up in hotels was over? it was ended? >> well, obviously. >> well, obviously. >> is this another u—turn?

>> is this another u—turn? >> kai well, i'll have to put my hands up. i mean, look, i'm a member of the labour party. i'm not a member of the of the shadow cabinet. the shadow cabinet. cabinet. but look, i mean, i mean, obviously they're deahng mean, i mean, obviously they're dealing with a ridiculous situation. he's gone. he's he's he's u—turned again. >> i admit that because he didn't know what he was doing before the election, did he? but labour didn't really have a plan. they had a lot of rhetoric that their comms has been rubbish. >> they should have consulted this community. but, you know, they have to go somewhere, they have to go somewhere. and to think that one community can choose over others . choose over others. >> i watched that video and there's a woman at the start, chiand there's a woman at the start, chi and she says, we don't know anything about these people. we don't know whether they're coming here. and then there's a fella that says, you know, i've got a daughter, blah, blah, blah, and they're worried about that. do you not? there's no part of uk that can reach out and have sympathy for those people that live in, in a genuine fear. that's not xenophobia. that, to me is completely rational. >> and i don't think they're being racist at all. i don't think they're being xenophobic. ihave think they're being xenophobic. i have i feel a lot of sympathy for that community. but i also

am asking you to have sympathy for some of the asylum seekers who have come to come here by no choice of their own. and this is this is by choice of their own. >> they found the £5,000 to get in a dinghy and come over the enghsh in a dinghy and come over the english channel. >> i think i probably would as well if i lived in syria. >> i think the police are a bit from living in syria in squalor and all the rest of it. >> where do you think all that's coming from? the fact of the matter, they've travelled through an entire continent with the schengen zone, which is apparently meant to be unique to these members of the european union, are being used by blind and wilful liberal idiots at the behest of migrant gangs. >> and i'll add once, once you pass through a safe country, you instantly and then go to, say, the united kingdom, you become an economic migrant. we know, as an economic migrant. we know, as a matter of fact, this is an opinion. most of the people that are arriving by boats are economic migrants. there's one other thing that i need to tidy up in this morass, and that is the amount of people that are drowning on boats, and that is a direct consequence of not having a strong deterrent in place. the

failure of the united kingdom to protect their borders and the deaths at sea are fundamentally a result of people having an incentive to come. >> well, the fact that these these men are all being put into hotels shows that there is an incentive still there, right? they're being fed while our pensioners are punished. they are put up in cosy hotels. >> don't worry, they'll be whizzing around london for free now, right . still to come now, right. still to come tonight i'm going to take on inheritance tax. that hike for farmers. what's it all about? i know, but next we'll discuss the relationship between david lammy and donald trump. what does it mean for the special relationship you're with? the saturday five, we're live on gb news

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the sewer of the western world, the sewer of the western world, made worse by the woke left and the liberal elite . iris says, the liberal elite. iris says, would the panel object so much if the migrants were white europeans? >>

he said he would chain himself to the gates of downing street to the gates of downing street to disrupt a trump visit. now look , he came back this week and look, he came back this week and he said, well, that's old news, which is somewhat ironic given that he's quite keen on some old 200 year old news about slavery and reparations. that being said, he is so patently unfit for this job, his role is untenable, his judgement has been shocking. and make no mistake, we will need judgement in this role with very serious conversations to be had, particularly around tariffs with the united states. and i'll tell you what, it isn't potentially the united states. and i'll tell to off the best of starts. if you look at this clip here. >> eventually the british labour party accused of interfering in this election, will that damage the special relationship? >> it's certainly not a great start because it's clear what they're doing and it's absolute lunacy. what i see going on in the uk right now when they're jailing people for misgendering someone, i mean, it's honestly it's disgusting and they should

be ashamed of themselves that that man. >> well said. now, whether or not trump actually holds the grudge is beside the point. we know now that in a role like this, you need someone who can massage trump's ego, who can flatter him. and what we've seen is if you can do that, he's actually pretty pliable. the sheer hatred that lamy has towards trump means that he will not be able to do that. to quote leo amery. speaking to a far better man than david lamy. in the name of god, man, go. >> yeah, well, do you know what i think it just it it speaks to the political naivety of this student politics government. you know, you would think i had assembled the cabinet himself andifs assembled the cabinet himself and it's somewhat it is i would say that it people were saying, oh, you know, this won't be too bad. think tony blair. think back to the days of blair. well, actually, i would say that this is a corbynista government. you know, four day working weeks , know, four day working weeks, migrant crisis running rampant. the fact of the matter is, they want to actually alienate our

most important ally. i hope, frankly, and i say this as a proud patriot of this country, but i hope that trump gives them what for? yeah, i really do. on our behalf, on our behalf. >> it's also part of that sneering leftist, you know , we sneering leftist, you know, we know best and we really are not interested in the little man. and trump is one of the little men because he's a horrible racist . so it goes back to that racist. so it goes back to that as well. we're just going to pretend that these people don't exist, and if they do exist, we're not going to listen to them. >> so, you know. well, you mentioned there the labour party went out to campaign on behalf of you know, labour staffers went out to campaign for kamala harris. guess who went out to campaign for hillary clinton? >> yes. i was, in fact , at >> yes. i was, in fact, at trump's inauguration in 2017, having thought, like lots of the left wing that clinton would win in 2016. chi chi chi chi chi. >> let's let's cut to the chase. should lammy resign? no. >> absolutely not. and the implication of what you're saying is that because of some

colourful tweets that the election across the pond should dictate, one of our great offices of state, i think that's very dangerous. i mean, we're the uk, for god's sake. i mean, are we really saying that that is that tweets, colourful tweets, people are in prison as we sit here today for colourful tweets for this man. it's not it's not it's not a it's not about the us influencing us. >> it's about what the job requires. the job requires diplomacy. and that is the antithesis of diplomacy. >> look, has there been a slight case of trump derangement syndrome amongst many british labour mps? obviously , yes. you labour mps? obviously, yes. you know, in the depths of the wilderness, in opposition in 2017, lots of them said some pretty stupid things ahead of trump's visit to the uk. pretty stupid things ahead of trump's visit to the uk . now trump's visit to the uk. now government changes things, right? and i think there's an awareness of that. and luckily in trump , frankly, we have a man in trump, frankly, we have a man who really listens to the last adviser he talked to who said a lot of colourful things himself. as we know he's a big fan of

twitter and i doubt his advisers are going to be in his ear telling him, oh , actually, you telling him, oh, actually, you need to know about the foreign secretary's previous tweets. >> who knows about it? >> who knows about it? >> i think it doesn't matter. he should stay in post. and i think it looks ridiculous to i think this is completely embarrassing for the labour party. >> i think it's embarrassing for our country. first of all, more than anything else that we have the student union, politicians representing us. and if you're trump and you're the president of the united states, and you're sitting down with david lammy, who has made these outrageous, unsubstantiated claims about you, do you think you're going to be favourable to those people and give them what they're looking for so they can parade it around going, look, look, look. and we've seen david lammy this week kissing trump's backside. it's embarrassing for them . and if i was lammy i'd them. and if i was lammy i'd say, do you know what? this is our biggest partner in the world. we need to have somebody for the greater interest of our country. we need to have someone doing my job that can actually get us a great deal with america. and he's not the man. >> let's not deal with

hypotheticals here. the data that we have is, look, he's eating his humble pie. he's been for dinner at trump tower with keir starmer. the relationship is warm. trump has spoken very glowingly, very glowingly about keir starmer. and that, frankly, is really in the america uk relationship the most important. well, hang on, if donald trump junior is saying that oh, but if 6