reapeh >> thank you. reapen >> thank you. nigel. the time is just after seven. and these are your latest headlines. axel rudakubana. the teenager charged with the murders of three children in southport earlier this year, has appeared for a plea and preparation hearing that was at liverpool crown court this afternoon. but he was not asked to plea. the teenager appeared via video link from hmp belmarsh, but refused to speak when he was asked twice to confirm his identity. rudy cabana is also charged with ten counts of attempted murder, one counts of attempted murder, one count of possession of a knife and two terror related offences. his trial is scheduled for january of next year. his trial is scheduled for january of next year . over in january of next year. over in the us now and president elect donald trump has been hosted by current president joe biden in washington, dc. the two sat down at the white house this afternoon for a meeting designed to demonstrate a smooth handover of power. the reuters news agency is reporting that during the meeting, biden told trump he was, quote , looking forward to

was, quote, looking forward to a peaceful transition whilst trump stated that, in his words, politics is tough , but it's politics is tough, but it's a nice world today . failing nice world today. failing hospitals will be named and shamed in league tables and managers sacked if they cannot improve patient care and take control of finances, health secretary wes streeting told leaders at the nhs providers conference in liverpool. there will be no more rewards for failure. that was, in his words, as he set out a package of measures aimed at tackling poor performance. speaking earlier today, the health sector also championed the chancellor's autumn budget, claiming the nhs came out on top. >> collective challenge is to take the nhs from the worst crisis in its history, put it back on its feet and make it fit for the future. the budget was important . the chancellor gave important. the chancellor gave us the investment we need to arrest the decline, begin fixing the foundations and start turning the service around. the nhs was the standout winner. we're delivering the largest health capital budget since

labour was last in power, and the biggest cash uplift in day to day spending of any government department. >> and writer and journalist allison pearson has revealed she is facing a police investigation for allegedly stirring up racial hatred. in a social media post last year. writing in the telegraph newspaper, she said that two officers attended her home on sunday morning . but when home on sunday morning. but when she asked what she was alleged to have posted, the officer said he couldn't disclose that information. a spokesperson for essex police has said the report relates to a social media post, which was subsequently removed. an investigation is now being carried out under section 17 of the public order act. as part of that investigation, officers attended an address on sunday, november 10th to invite a woman to attend a voluntary interview on the matter . and if you'd like on the matter. and if you'd like to hear more on this story, stay tuned as allison will be speaking to nigel on his show in the next few minutes . but for the next few minutes. but for

now, those elitist gb news headunes now, those elitist gb news headlines i'm sophie reaper more from me in the next hour. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news .com forward slash alerts . .com forward slash alerts. >> picture the scene. it was sunday, the 10th of november, just ahead of the big remembrance day services about to take place right across our country and there at a home in essex , was allison pearson, essex, was allison pearson, daily telegraph columnist, podcaster, commentator and i understand she was actually in her gown and slippers when plod knock on the door. what on earth could this be all about? well, allison joins me right now. i've set the scene. what happened? >> yes. there were two young constables by the door, and they

said. what? one said something about a non—crime hate incident, which was a year ago with me, a social media post a year ago. and i said, what was it about the tweet? give me an idea of what it said. and he said, i'm not allowed to tell you that. and then i said, who is my accuser? and he said, we're not allowed to tell you that either. but it's not the accuser . it's but it's not the accuser. it's the victim. the victim, the victim, the victim. so, nigel, i had a victim. and you know , then had a victim. and you know, then it was just a very, very surreal and shocking conversation. and because it was remembrance sunday, i drew myself up to my full five feet, three and a half and i said, we're here today on and i said, we're here today on a special day commemorating hundreds of hundreds and thousands of young men your age who laid down their lives for the country so it could be a free country and not live under the jackboot of tyranny. and here you are on remembrance

sunday, coming to my house in something that i consider to be against freedom and tyrannical. and i said, and what would those young men think of you today? so they looked a bit. i think the poor coppers probably thought, we've got a right one here. >> but what they did. but but i mean, so they knock at the door and that's obviously slightly threatening . not something i threatening. not something i suppose you're particularly used to know in your life, but they can't tell you what you've done. they can't tell you who the victim is. no. so what are they doing? just trying to frighten you. >> well, i said to them, how would i defend myself if i don't know any of the relevant details? and they looked a bit, you know, again, a bit confused. i think they may have been on a sort of bacon roll run when they were told to, told to come up. but it was, i'll tell you, nigel, it was shocking. it was upsetting. i'm a law abiding person. nobody likes to. i respect the police. i want to trust and respect the police . trust and respect the police. they seemed to me a completely

mad overreaction. whatever it was that i posted a year ago on x, i'm not in the habit of writing anything horrible and inflammatory. if i wrote something that was unwise and i appear to have deleted that tweet , i have no memory of what tweet, i have no memory of what it was . i still don't think it was. i still don't think that's a proportionate response to something that i think that they might. looking at what essex police are doing and forces around the country, i would say they're getting more interested in trying to solve thought crime than the kind of crime that normal people are interested in burglaries, sexual assaults , muggings, people assaults, muggings, people having their phones nicked, the stats are really incontrovertible. >> so you view this as you really feel that you're being, that you are being harassed under a thought crime, yes i do. what also surprised me was, you know, a non—crime hate incident suddenly has criminal implications. suddenly has criminal implications . apparently. implications. apparently. >> yes it does. now when suella braverman kwasi will know about this. when suella braverman was

home secretary, she thought these non—crime hate incidents were bad because they impacted on freedom of speech, right? because they had a chilling effect on freedom of speech. so she wanted to get rid of them. apparently, rishi wasn't keen on taking that kind of decisive action, so they came in with a code of conduct to tell the police to exercise common sense proportionality. is this in the pubuc proportionality. is this in the public interest, to go around to allison's house and tell her that she's done this thing? yes. is this thing that's been done going to genuinely incite hostility? is it going to have real life repercussions in the world, rather than just being something stupid that millions of us say on social media every day now, that was supposed to be enforced and these non—crime hate incidents were supposed to be the police were supposed to stop doing them. they're doing more of them. >> see, i wonder because you're a well—known person, you've got a well—known person, you've got a voice and, you know, front page daily telegraph today you're here, etc. yeah, but i wonder how many other people

this is happening to who simply don't know to what do, where to 90, don't know to what do, where to go, and how long are they left hanging? >> a long time. so i heard from maya forstater. she is a leading light in the women's fightback against defending women's spaces . against defending women's spaces. she's been very, very brave and she immediately messaged me and said exactly the same thing happened to me. they said, we can't tell you what your tweet said. we can't tell you who's accused you. she said she has been on the hook for a year , been on the hook for a year, waiting for the crown prosecution service to decide whether to, you know, to prosecute her. but the thing is, nigel, the reason i decided to go public with it was because i felt ashamed. i don't want to be a person who's visited by the police. it's embarrassing. it's humiliating. but i. i can speak, okay, so it's not shaming. i'm not ashamed that people come to my house with a really crazy overreaction to something that should just be let go. it's

trying to shape the morality of the population . right. it's the population. right. it's thought control. i'm allowed to say what i want. i mean, obviously there are limits to free speech in the sense of inciting terrorism or riot. nobody. inciting terrorism or riot. nobody . but this inciting terrorism or riot. nobody. but this is just inciting terrorism or riot. nobody . but this is just within nobody. but this is just within the realms of what normal people think. and i've heard from so many people today with lots of very upsetting examples. they're just normal people. the coppers come round, they haven't got my resources or my platform. they're scared stiff. they're embarrassed with the neighbours and the family, and they sit there thinking, god, are these people going to take away my livelihood? my reputation and the yeah, the hangover is , is if the yeah, the hangover is, is if they this thing is successful, they this thing is successful, they could keep my personal data onune they could keep my personal data online and if i applied for a certain position in a charity or working with children, i could be deemed a dangerous person because of one tweet last year. unbelievable. >> i'm joined in the studio by lloyd russell—moyle, former labour mp and kwasi kwarteng,

former conservative mp and former conservative mp and former chancellor of the exchequer. lloyd, does this all go back to equalities acts at the end of the labour government? i mean, what is the root of all of this in your view? >> well, i think that there is some of it around going back to equalities and anti—racism, all that kind of stuff. >> but i think that it has got here out of hand. i don't actually think. i think it's got out of hand on all sides. if you remember the crown prosecution service prosecuted the woman who had a placard that said rishi sunak was a coconut. she was brown herself and they prosecuted her, took her unpleasant thing to say but shouldn't be a crime. took her to court and the court found that the crown prosecution service did a wasted public money, had found a completely innocent. but of course, that meant that she was a teacher. she lost her job in that period. she lost herjob in that period. it uprooted her family. the same on the other side. i mean, we don't know what you said in this instance, but the same on the other side. to me, it seems that

we should the first incident we should say to people is you have to have thick skin and you can't be prosecuting people because you've upset other people. and the second thing is that we need a limit of time on this. you can't say, oh, well , something can't say, oh, well, something you wrote ten years ago. now, in hindsight looks like it could upset people because that also is a madness. >> i mean, quasi, but it's a quasl >> i mean, quasi, but it's a quasi. you guys had a chance to deal with this. yes. and it got worse. and it did because the culture became worse. >> if you look at the universities, you mentioned suella braverman, she was cancelled. that no platform cancelled. that no platform cancel culture has everything to do with what happened to you on sunday, because essentially people are policing thoughts . people are policing thoughts. they're banning platforms for people who have other thoughts or have other ideas, and they're restricting the opportunity for debate. and that's what people can see. and that's why, i mean, i dare say people look at your show because we have debates, we don't all agree about everything, but we have a wide range of debate. whereas out there in the kind of legal

world, the political world, to an extent, the universities, particularly, there's a much, much narrower scope for debate. and i think what happened to alison on sunday reflects wider trends in society. so it's not just a legal police matter. >> this was a this was this has become a bad law which started with very good intentions. so it had its roots in the stephen lawrence case when people felt that racist incidents were not picked up and not joined together by the police. there was also the terrible, tragic case of fiona pilkington, a lady with a disabled daughter. they were subject to horrible abuse. nigel and fiona ended up in a car, setting the car on fire with her and the disabled daughter. absolute tragedy and the findings of that case were that if some of the hate incidents had been joined together, then the authorities could have taken proper action. i quite understand that what we're talking about now is freedom of speech. precious in our democracy. and i agree with lloyd. we should all be a bit

more grown up and think, okay, i don't like what that person said, but what if it is? >> but this, this is made worse. this situation is made because you alluded to it earlier. you know, people out there in my old constituency all around the country can see there's an epidemic of small crimes, things like shoplifting. you know, you read all the time that some, you know, they don't even bother . know, they don't even bother. that's the anecdotally know. and so when they go off to you in that way, people will be asking themselves, well, what about the muggings and the shoplifting? >> what's happened with that? i'd be better off punching a policeman in the face at manchester airport than i would know. >> well, we're still waiting. we're still waiting . we're still waiting. >> but that's true. >> but that's true. >> that's true. the police tell me. nigel could go round and visit the people . maybe bop the visit the people. maybe bop the woman on the. >> maybe the cps will act on the manchester incident. we'll have to wait and see. alison , where to wait and see. alison, where does this campaign go next? are you going to go and meet the home secretary and try and get the law reinterpreted ? the law reinterpreted? >> well, i'm going to probably go in for an interview. the >> well, i'm going to probably go in for an interview . the free go in for an interview. the free speech union, which is a brilliant organisation, is

helping me and they're giving me a solicitor. so if i have to go into the police station and have a voluntary interview, i'll go in and maybe then we'll be able to find out what i'm accused of, and then we'll see. we'll see how it progresses. i mean, we've had a look. the telegraph has done a great campaign today. having a lot of people coming forward , and they don't like the forward, and they don't like the feeling of this. it does feel as though our society is changing in character. but as i said , in character. but as i said, looking at the stats for essex police, we see hate crime 18%. they're solving racially and religiously aggravated crime, whatever , 19%. things like what whatever, 19%. things like what paulis whatever, 19%. things like what paul is talking about theft, grievous bodily harm. they're right down. so are these guys sitting in the office thinking, i'll have a cup of tea and a digestive, and i'll have a look through allison pearson's x feed to see if there's anything, anywhere. >> i mean, who's the person? that's the victim. this could be just somebody who doesn't like your journalistic style or your political position. it could be, you know, utterly intense , you know, utterly intense, vindictive in every way. >> intent has been completely

lost out of this as well. people take offence and you say, well, i might have used the wrong words or words that trigger you, but if they trigger you, you should go to counselling, not actually require other people to use different words. >> the whole thing has a very, very sinister edge. i'm delighted you've come on tonight and talked about it and debated it with the panel. now, talking of essex police, a spokesperson for essex police said the report relates to a social media post which was suddenly removed. an investigation has now been carried out and a section 17 of the public order act as part of that investigation, officers attended an address on sunday, november 10th, to invite a woman to attend a voluntary interview on the matter. so there you are. you can follow this story gb news on the x platform on elon musk's brilliant free speech platform, we can say what we bloomin well want to within reason, within reason, but have a proper debate so you can follow all of this. we are not going to drop this. we're going to keep on with this. x is where gb news will be picking up all of your comments and so much

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