and doctor david, for example. well, it's quite different. a university lecturer who knows more about bonkers britain than most. he's also joining us. but i wouldn't want him holding the defib if things went pear shaped tonight. and i go down on my left side . then there's charlie left side. then there's charlie downs. he's our sharpest zoomer here to prove that not all young people are busy painting their nails and apologising for the existence of the west on tiktok. and of course, kai, who probably is doing that. he's so progressive that he thinks jaguar's new logo needs a trans flag and pronouns. i can see him now campaigning for mandatory safe spaces in motorway service stations and arguing that jaguar should come with trigger warnings for the loud noises. poor dears can't handle it. and i'm darren grimes, of course, your shining beacon of truth, your shining beacon of truth, your northern light. what more could you possibly want.7 let's get cracking before kai starts petitioning to rename this show something less oppressive. he just suggested we call it sensory sensitive saturday, but let's be absolutely clear, my friends. it ain't that. you all

know the drill by now. each host outlines their argument about a chosen topic. then we all pile in and the fur starts to fly. and of course we want your views as well. i've got them open in front of me right now. send them and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay. don't forget your questions for ask the five as well. no topics are off limits. and no, i'm not giving you charlie's number. but before we start tearing each other apart , here's his saturday other apart, here's his saturday night news with everyone's favourite friendly ghost, joe casper . caspen >> thanks, darren. good evening . >> thanks, darren. good evening. i'm joe casper in the gb news room . storm babet has claimed room. storm babet has claimed a third life after northamptonshire police confirmed a man died in a two car collision this morning . car collision this morning. elsewhere, hampshire police said a man in his 60s died after a tree fell on his car. on his car on the a34 near winchester. the force were called earlier this

morning where they found the driver of a black mercedes dead at the scene. they added that it's so far unclear if the incident is related to storm babet, but that the cause is under investigation. we've also been told a 34 year old man died in a single vehicle collision in shipley, west yorkshire, this morning. the driver, a 34 year old man from bradford, was treated at the scene but pronounced dead a short time later. west yorkshire police also confirmed that it is currently unclear if this is related to the current weather conditions . the met office has conditions. the met office has issued amber and yellow weather warnings, as well as 16 flood alerts this morning. winds of up to 105mph have been recorded and 13cm of snow has fallen in some parts of the country. in wales, ten people, five adults and five children have been rescued from a house near llangollen. a north wales fire and rescue service's spokesman said they are all being assessed by ambulance services away from the scene somewhere warm . our northern

somewhere warm. our northern ireland reporter dougie beattie is in county, county down for us today and has been urging people today and has been urging people to take care . to take care. >> late last night we. about 3:00 in the morning we had snow. now we've been battered by winds and really, really ice cold rain. it's not sleet . the rain rain. it's not sleet. the rain is just so freezing cold. and what's happened is the roads are now flooded, trees are down and underneath that line water is ice. so anybody that is out and about this morning, please, please be very, very careful . please be very, very careful. >> football now in the premier leagues early kick off chelsea beat leicester city two one. the 3:00 matches have finished and there have been wins for arsenal, brighton and wolves, aston villa and crystal palace and everton and crystal palace and everton and brentford all drew this evening's kick off between champions manchester city and tottenham hotspur, as kicked off spurs are already two nil up,

keeping with sport and two tennis rivals have come together. novak djokovic has appointed his rival andy murray as his coach. the brit said i'm going to be joining novak's team in the off season, helping him to prepare for the australian open . i'm really excited for it open. i'm really excited for it and looking forward to spending time on the same side of the net as novak for a change, helping him to achieve his goals, something that the serb added i am excited to have one of my greatest rivals on the same side of the net as my coach . those of the net as my coach. those are your latest gb news headunes are your latest gb news headlines for now , i'm joe headlines for now, i'm joe caspen headlines for now, i'm joe casper. why i pet it's back to the five with darren grimes for the five with darren grimes for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news dot com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> my friends, it's saturday night and you're with the

saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for a very lively hour. we're going to crack on with tonight's first debate. you all know me by now. i'm going to abuse my position as chair and kick us off. our american cousins must be watching us with a beer in hand. perhaps. probably not. bud light thinking that we're the world's worst reality show in this country. the nation that gave the world churchill and the magna carta now prance about like a second rate east germany with a better fish and chip shop in sir keir stalin. i beg your pardon.7 starmer's britain authoritarianism isn't creeping in. it's goose stepping in with a pair of vegan leather sandals. take these new respect orders. i kid you not. that's what he's calling them. it sounds totally harmless. or does it.7 these targets order anything likely to cause harassment or alarm or distress. which means anything. the woke brigade doesn't like as a breach of the law. the rozzers are probably outside this studio right now and probably in breach

of about five things. our police have nailed selective outrage. you post a cheeky tweet. well, expect a knock at the door. you steal half of tesco up the road while you're handed a loyalty card, and our farmers, well, they're booted off their land for wind turbines that generate less energy than a hamster wheel. while we import food from countries that don't know or care who the teenage truant greta is and send £500 million of your money in aid abroad for foreign farmers and energy while we're told to pop on another jumper, eat cold beans so ed miliband can walk around smug at cop29, the biggest con since the european super league , tried to european super league, tried to convince us that it was about the fans. trump would never for stand this errant nonsense. he'd secure the border, he would crank up our heating, and he

would hand brits their dignity back. britain's not illegals power, not poverty and proper jobs. not yet more diversity and inclusion officers . honestly, inclusion officers. honestly, trump taken over might not be such a bad idea. cheaper energy , such a bad idea. cheaper energy, food on shelves, affordable and no one arrested for suggesting britons being unsafe is worth it. so we can be kind. so don, how about it, my fella .7 you've how about it, my fella? you've already got part of scotland. invade the rest of us. we'll surrender faster than you can say. respect. order! the country that repelled the nazis can't even repel a rubber dinghy. make us the 51st state of the us of a. and let's forget stalin. i beg your pardon? i've done it again, starmer. let's forget starmer's britain ever existed. are you agreed? my friends? good stuff. well, one man that won't be in agreement is the wet on the end guy who ?

the end guy who? >> yes. >> yes. >> i assume you would not be delighted if our new leader was indeed president donald trump. >> no, i wouldn't be that thrilled . i don't want to be thrilled. i don't want to be ruled by an orange fascist at all, darren, i have to say, and i know, i know, you like being a provocateur, but this has reached new levels of ludicrousness, and you're out of step with what the rest of the uk actually think. if you look at who wants to be the 51st state, only 9% of people would like to join the us. do you know how many people would like to be in part of the eu again, in the same poll it's actually 57%. so i actually think people would much rather even ursula von der lie—in than the orange man in the white house. >> well , listen, charlie, the white house. >> well, listen, charlie, enough about kyrees facebook poll on his profile. i mean, i wonder, do you the direction that the country is going in zoomers, which is for those that don't know the younger generation, they have it much better in the united states of america than

you do here. >> well, it certainly looks that way, especially with trump coming to in lead that country. but i would say until project 2025isin but i would say until project 2025 is in full swing and he's completely gutted. the managerial state that governs america and has completely, essentially facilitated a cultural revolution there and also in our country. i wouldn't particularly want to be ruled by that government because whilst at present, the public facing element of that government has changed in the form of trump, the guts of the government are still exactly the same. and it's there that the problem lies. >> i mean, renee your job would >> i mean, renee yourjob would look a bit different, wouldn't it, under the yanks? >> absolutely. i could call a woman a woman. i could congratulate someone on being pregnant, not a man. obviously, because they wouldn't be pregnant. >> well, more on that later. >> well, more on that later. >> actually. you know, i could just do normal things that are biologically correct , and biologically correct, and i could bring my daughter up as a girl and not have to worry about her being convinced by somebody else in her woke school that she might be able to be a boy. >> talk about that later. shall we? >> do you have any sort of longing for our american cousins to give us a little hug? just a little hug, a little hug?

>> i think that we as a country should sort our own problems. i think it's very easy. i had a chance to look over to america and say, please, donald, please come and help us . but really, come and help us. but really, the problem lies with us. we need to organise. we need to look at things like these , these look at things like these, these orders that you were just talking about. and so actually, enoughis talking about. and so actually, enough is enough. we shouldn't look to outside. we shouldn't look to outside. we shouldn't look to outside. we shouldn't look to the us or europe because they're both getting fundamental things wrong. and really, we need to buck up our own ideas through our own political parties. >> whilst i agree with you, i think where that translates is that what we need is a strong leader with principles, and i don't see anyone in this country ready to do that, do you? >> well, i think that between a mix of both kemi and nigel, we could get somewhere closer like that. i mean, obviously keir starmer is a disaster. he's been a disaster from day one. rachel reevesis a disaster from day one. rachel reeves is even worse. reeves is even worse. >> reeves is even worse. >> rachel from accounts. >> rachel from accounts. >> rachel from accounts, yes. >> rachel from accounts, yes. >> she's clarifying . >> she's clarifying. >> she's clarifying. >> they've had 12 weeks in parliament of parliament sitting. and you're saying that it's been a disaster and look what they've done. look at how

many years we've had of conservative failure and already you're battening down the hatches, polling and say it's gospel. >> look at the public polling. you know that the but but but but given but given a chance of a match up between kia kamala trump and rishi sunak, sunak comes bottom, then it's trump and keir still comes on top. >> but surely i won't take that. >> but surely i won't take that. >> but surely kai results is what counts. we've seen the stock market collapse we've had. the pound has hit its lowest level today that we've seen in the last five years. mortgage rates are going up. the indexes for gilts that everybody cried. liz truss had actually ruined because they'd hit 4%. and now at 4.5. but apparently liz truss was the devil incarnate because because of the ruinous black hole left by the previous government black hole, they're actually getting to grips with it. >> and we're seeing results. we're seeing results . we're seeing results. >> whichever strategist came up with that phrase, the black hole deserves a raise because everyone's using it. it's quite a good line. >> i mean, it's i can repeat it again, a unique, you know, unique to this.

>> they've been saying there are black holes in the accounts for years. indeed . i mean, tony's years. indeed. i mean, tony's just commented in renee and said, no, willie tonight. >> no willie. no, no, no, he let us down. >> yeah. he's not. we normally have just when we needed a willie. >> yes, david, you're a man that needs a willie. >> i wonder , could you talk >> i wonder, could you talk about the fact that i could talk about the fact that i could talk about that if you'd like. darren. let's not talk about that. that's after 9 pm. but the fact of the matter is, though, that we had 14 years of a so—called conservative government, right . trump a so—called conservative government, right. trump is a new york liberal, yet he has been more, quote unquote, conservative than your own party. >> yeah, in many areas. that's correct for sure . correct for sure. >> all areas. yeah. >> all areas. yeah. >> but the issue isn't that we should look to the us and your hyperbolic opener that we should just sign up for hyperbolic. imagine perish the thought. the idea is that we as a as a group of people on the right. sorry. kai should look to the institutions that we have, because for too long it's gone unchallenged. like you said in the conservative party for too long, run by liberals. and hopefully that's beginning to

change. >> badenoch best case scenario , >> badenoch best case scenario, how she ever going to change britain to, you know, charlie's sort of vision for what the country could be getting rid of the institution, the sort of leftist march through these institutions when the conservative party has half of them wetter than an otter's pocket. >> well, it's not my job to defend the conservative party, i would say. i'm encouraged by what she said in the leadership election, where instead of jenrick's approach of here's some policies, she's talking about going back to first principles. now, what i would say to your viewers who might have been disgusted with the conservative party now, but want to see the country go in a more rightward direction, is join the party and influence it from the inside? but which principles is the moment ? the moment? >> which principles are you talking about? >> well, things like sound money, secure borders and rigorous biological based reality. >> do you think that the philosophy of conservatism is how you get to those things? because i think conservatism is a completely discredited political philosophy because it's so cautious and inactive , it's so cautious and inactive, and so there's nothing constructive about it. and so it's no surprise that

conservatism in this country has become so left wing, because all it does is conserve the existing order, which is left wing. >> but i was going to say that is that not because the conservatives have drifted so far to the left under pressure from the civil service and the woke brigade, that if they just bnng woke brigade, that if they just bring themselves back to the centre, the proper centre, which is family values, cultural norms and cultural rules that people are proud of, we might get there, though, because because conservatism is a completely relative philosophy and so the centre of gravity has to be what we do . we do. >> nothing. i mean, that's completely useless. i'm liking none of the options about east germany in the united kingdom , germany in the united kingdom, rather than northern ireland rather than northern ireland rather than northern ireland rather than that than populism. and fascism. that's what you've got on the table here. >> you're the fascist, right? anyway, i'm going to move on now whilst i pack my bags for florida. the great state. now. anyway, i wonder who's going to go next, because actually we've had a comment saying two wets on the panel. so you he will be very upset by that . mom stop it very upset by that. mom stop it right . okay. who's going next?

right. okay. who's going next? >> that'll be me. that'll be me as i said in my introduction. and just now we've got some good news. keir starmer is stopping the boats, though . a group of the boats, though. a group of french mayors is looking to rip up a treaty that we've had between france and the uk to secure the border since 2003, and it secures border funding for the french . now, i think for the french. now, i think it's about time that we tell the french mayors to sling their rock, because the plan is working now in keir starmer, they've got a fresh breath of no fresh breath, a breath of fresh air and much more common sense. after the rwanda strophic £700 million white elephant under the blonde buffoon boris johnson. what we have now, we have a border in the channel where there's actually look at the returns that we're seeing at the minute and looking at what's actually being achieved in terms of smashing the gangs. things

are on the right way forward now. those sunak did keep that rwanda sized albatross around his shoulders. he should be commended for the deal he made with albania , which has seen the with albania, which has seen the returns going back to albania improving and the drop massive drop in the number of people and people coming from albania in 2023, 93% drop. now the prime minister has used 2023, 93% dro