>> welcome to lee anderson's real world. tonight on the show we have elvis tribute act, rick gaynon we have elvis tribute act, rick gaynor. we also have rory greene on the show for the first time. trade unionists andy twelves and self—proclaimed anarchist. that's doctor lisa mckenzie, the first. let's go to the news. >> good evening. the top stories from the gb newsroom this christmas day. his majesty the king has delivered his christmas message, emphasising the importance of community, compassion and service amid a turbulent year for both he and the princess of wales, who had their own health battles. in a break from tradition, king

charles delivered this year's christmas speech from the fitzrovia chapel, a former hospital in central london. it's the first time in over a decade it hasn't been recorded at a royal residence, with the king choosing to praise the community response to the anger and lawlessness of this summer's riots in towns and cities around the uk, and also to the selfless doctors and nurses who provided strength, care and comfort to both him and the princess of wales during their cancer treatments. >> from a personal point of view, i offer special, heartfelt thanks to the selfless doctors and nurses who this year have supported me and other members of my family through the uncertainties and anxieties of illness, and have helped provide the strength, care and comfort we have needed. i am deeply grateful too, to all those who have offered us their own kind words of sympathy and

encouragement. >> this morning, the king attended the royal family's traditional christmas day church service. the king and queen camilla walked the short distance from sandringham house to saint mary magdalene church, past a crowd of well—wishers. they were joined by the prince and princess of wales and their children, the princess royal and the duke and duchess of edinburgh. also part of that walking party, absent, though, was the duke of york, who's been accused of having links to an alleged chinese spy. the archbishop of york emerged smiling from his christmas day service in the north yorkshire city to greet well—wishers and tourists outside the minster. the archbishop of york, who will effectively take over as leader of the church of england next month, has called for change in his christmas sermon. stephen cottrell delivered his remarks as the church faces criticism over failures in its handling of various abuse scandals. archbishop of canterbury justin welby resigned last month after he was criticised for not doing enough to stop a prolific

abusen enough to stop a prolific abuser. earlier this week, mr cottrell acknowledged that things could have been handled differently after revelations that a priest at the centre of a sexual abuse case was twice reappointed under him while he was serving as bishop of chelmsford. gb news can confirm that at least 350 migrants have crossed the english channel in small boats so far this christmas day. several boats were seen making the dangerous journey from france this morning, with more expected to follow over the course of today. those who arrived in dover following early hours crossings broke a period of more than a week when no small boats had been spotted. and this comes after gb news exclusively revealed yesterday that thousands of migrants were massing along the northern coast of france, preparing to cross to the uk over the christmas period. swimmers across the nafion period. swimmers across the nation have braved the chilly waters as they celebrated christmas day with a festive plunge. many of those swimmers turned out in support of various charity causes, with others simply enjoying a festive tradition. sea surface temperatures across the country

were between 8 and ii c, according to the met office, but plucky bathers, including many dressed as father christmas snowmen and elves, woke up extra early to take the plunge in bournemouth. if you're watching these pictures on television, these pictures on television, the enduring peter pan cup was also strongly attended in london's hyde park, with swimmers taking part in the world's oldest annual swimming event. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com/alerts. >> welcome to lee andersen's real world. i'm lee anderson, reform, uk member of parliament for ashfield, and joining me once again this week is doctor lisa mckenzie, a self—proclaimed anarchist. that's right. and he's back. and he he's a what.7

a&e. >> true genius. a local man. local. local man. >> he's been a scaffolder. he's done all sorts. and you've been accusing our guest of being a waspi woman? >> i would never, i would say accuse is a strong word. accuses. it's a bit awkward, and i apologise on her. i'm 68. i'm a 68. >> i'm a. i was born in 68. >> you're not 68? >> you're not 68? >> no, i was born in 68. that's a long way off from the 50s. >> so we've just cleared that. >> so we've just cleared that. >> yeah. i apologise wholeheartedly, woman. >> but, lisa, i think every single frontbencher for the labour party at some stage in the run up to the last election and the one before, said that they would give the waspi women their compensation, which was due. it's unfair, it's terrible, it's wicked, it's horrible. they deserve this money. and what have they done just just a few weeks back? >> well, they've they've decided that there's a technicality, i think, in the ombudsman's decision that they can get out of. that's what they've done. they've looked at the they've looked at the ombudsman's

decision and they've gone right. how do we get out of this? so they found this technicality, which is about when the women were first notified and they've sort of technically got out of it but apologised, which is not justice. it's not fair. and actually, again, it's another hypocritical move because it wasn't just the frontbenchers that have had photo talk with the waspi women, it was all the backbenchers as well. so they've all done it. they're all in this, every one of them. >> andy, you've got to come back and defend the labour party on this. >> i think it's one of those things. it's easy in opposition to, you know, give support to any cause that, you know, is does seem fairly legitimate. i think it is. you know, the waspi women probably should have been better informed, should have been better treated. but in government realistically. so just throw about 10 billion. you can't just throw about 10 billion. >> another reason why people don't trust politicians. they've promised one thing and done another. >> well, i don't think they ever promised to pay them out. >> i think they promised. hang

on, hang on. angela ray, angela rayner going on the news and saying, this is disgusting. we need justice for these women. if that's not a promise, then what is it? because i know where come. >> come on andy. so try and show some more enthusiasm in your defence. >> i struggle with this debate because i see both sides of it. i mean, you know, yeah, they were probably mistreated and should have been informed better. but then also, how do you not financially plan your retirement? i look at it from both sides and then also hang on, hang on. >> i've got i've got to stop you. you've got to look at it. no, i've got to stop you here. how do you not plan your retirement? do you know anything? what happens to working class women? yeah, because what happens with working class women, especially what we do is we start work at 16. we have a family. we usually stop working for a bit to bring up our families, and then we go back to work again. we usually have to then start paying extra into the to our ni savings, because we've missed a bit out if we want to get a pension and

then we the other end of our lives, we end up caring for our family, our older family members as well. so actually sort of saying prepare for women. women. oh, are you not aware of it? >> how are you? >> how are you? >> women. women earn less than men still. imagine in the 50s and 60s that massive gap between men and women's earnings. and then on top of that, we've we've now got a situation where they're they thought they were retiring at 60. now it's 65. i mean, for the rest of us it's 67. surely that should be an issue that we should all coalesce around and say 67 for some workers is too old. and so therefore we should be supporting any sort of elderly benefits, whether it's winter fuel or whether it's the waspi women. >> well, this is the thing we should be supporting. that's the thing they're picking on the pensioners, the labour party. i don't think. well, they've stopped the winter fuel allowance, andy, and now they've, they've reneged on the deal to, to compensate the waspi 1532 00:09:58,52