>> good evening and welcome to farage with me christopher hope. now, as we speak, mps are voting on a tory amendment to the children's wellbeing and schools bill to try and force the government to hold a national inquiry into the grooming gang scandal. the vote follows a tense prime minister's question time earlier in which the pm,

sir keir starmer and tory leader kemi badenoch traded blows over the issue of child grooming gangs, with the pm saying that whilst there is no fixed view amongst victims on this, on whether there should be a national inquiry, he was for now against one. and with me now in the studio, here is lloyd russell—moyle, the former labour mp. lloyd, just briefly tell our viewers and listeners what's happening now in the house of commons. why is it the chamber empty? >> so what's happening now is that there is a division and an amendment on the conservative amendment, which is a which is an amendment to a second reading. >> it's quite rare, isn't it? >> it's quite rare, isn't it? >> well, i mean, the opposition often puts them down, but they don't get called because they effectively cancel the whole bill. they don't force any actual change. but what they do do is they are usually seen as so embarrassing. the government has to go away and completely rethink its what it's doing. to be fair, the conservative amendment does have some substantive points about what they why they don't like the

bill, but really they and the reform amendment that wasn't called earlier on today. yes, both are using this to shoehorn in a slightly different issue, which is the national inquiry into a bill that actually has cross—party support in a lot of other areas. >> so the children's and wellbeing in schools bill looks at lifting educational

but there is political risk, >> but there is political risk, isn't it? your former colleagues, lloyd russell—moyle if that happens, because the conservatives will be trying, will be saying, here's this mp at the next election as candidate in next election, who didn't vote for a national inquiry into the grooming scandal when given the opportunity. and that's, i think, the worry that is, of course, a political worry. >> i suspect what you will see is later on other amendments coming forward so that labour mps can say, well, this was a gimmick, but we did vote for the real thing when it came along down the line. that's what we've donein down the line. that's what we've done in the past. and because let's be honest, this is not going to fall. even if this passed, it wouldn't force a national inquiry. it would just send this bill packing and put

political pressure on for a government to call it. seeing political pressure on for a government to call it. seeing that keir today has said that that keir today has said that he's not actually against an he's not actually against an inquiry in the long term. it's inquiry in the long term. it's just a case of timing and him just a case of timing and him wanting to do things in a wanting to do things in a different order. different order. >> we're open, of course, and >> we're open, of course, and we'll always listen to what we'll always listen to what victims want in this case. and victims want in this case. and he did meet with victims today. he did meet with victims today. >> i think there is a there that >> i think there is a there that might be open. might be open. >> i'm joined now by kwasi >> i'm joined now by kwasi kwarteng, the former conservative chancellor and kwarteng, the former conservative chancellor and former tory mp. kwasi, welcome former tory mp. kwasi, welcome to farage. good to you. what is to farage. good to you. what is going? why didn't your going? why didn't your government get on with this? why government get on with this? why are you trying to bully bully are you trying to bully bully boy? the labour government is boy? the labour government is doing it. surely it's on you. doing it. surely it's on you. >> i think there were failings >> i think there were failings in the conservative government. in the conservative government. and that's why kemi badenoch has and that's why kemi badenoch has done what she. she's saying. done what she. she's saying. she's relatively new to she's relatively new to politics. she's been there, i politics. she's been there, i think seven years. eight years. think seven years. eight years. yeah. 2017. okay. so seven and a yeah. 2017. okay. so seven and a half and it's a it's a clean half and it's a it's a clean slate as far as she's concerned. slate as far as she's concerned. and she wants to hold the and she wants to hold the government to account which is government to account which is the job. what did you do about the job. what did you do about it when you were an mp which was it when you were an mp which was the job of the opposition? i the job of the opposition? i

think i tabled a couple of think i tabled a couple of questions about it. it wasn't questions about it. it wasn't something that was a constituency interest. i was absolutely appalled by what had happened. and actually what's happened. and actually what's happenedis happened. and actually what's happened is that a lot of the details of the court transcripts have been released or have been broadcast, and that's what we base our reporting on @gbnews. that's right. >> that's what that is why it's hard to argue when 'for

people didn't well. she said people didn't want to be denounced as racist. no.and want to be denounced as racist. no. and the knee jerk thought was, forgive me, was was political correctness not easy politics because we are talking about things which involve race and culture, sex, sex and children. >> and it's, you know, it's horrible in a sense. all of westminster has tried sometimes looked away, frankly. >> and i think it is just like when we have seen other sex based scandals in the catholic church in, in, in other organisations that actually it does take a long time and people are very nervous about getting involved. so i think now the matter has been blown open. no, i think that actually you will see more action being taken. and i think actually we're kind of arguing over what should come first. should we have an inquiry first. should we have an inquiry first or should we implement the recommendations we know have

been agreed so far and then do an inquiry later on? >> so that's the 20 j recommendations. >> that's right. so i think i think we're pussyfooting around an issue. okay. yes. catholic priests abused kids and all of that. but here we had a communities which were quite divided racially. there were a lot of racial tensions before all of this happened. and there was a feeling, i think, rightly, that authorities didn't want to go there. they didn't want to get involved because they didn't want to stoke up those racial tensions. now, my own view has always been that justice should be blind. justice should be specifically colour—blind. and it doesn't matter who perpetrates the crime in terms of ethnicity or their background. the job of justice is to is to get criminals and summarily put them to justice. that didn't happen. and the reason it didn't happen, i'm afraid, was because people were worried about the multicultural ethnic angle and they didn't

want to be denounced as racist. >> i was in the house of commons today, obviously watching pmqs. and when you see the pm, the pm called it, well, sorry, kemi badenoch. she called it a national scandal. it is. rachel reeves shouted. shame at her. >> it is a scandal. it's a national scandal. and that was, that was that was accepted by keir starmer. >> he accepted. it's a bad it's a bad scandal, a national scandal, a terrible scandal. yeah. to what extent, though, is there a bandwagon effect? keir starmer used that word twice at your former leader, kemi badenoch. is it a bandwagon? >> she's not my former leader. i mean i was a former mp. >> that's right. you might be a tory now i've no idea. if you're not, please tell the tell our viewers i think you're a tory. and he's. >> she's the leader of the party. the leader of the party. she's not my former leader. she is my current leader. >> okay? she's your leader, right? so she was she was. she was bandwagon. >> is that correct? i think so there were a couple of things. and i want to be even handed about with keir, who i know personally and i have on a personally and i have on a personal basis. i got on quite well with him in the house, but

i think he made a massive misjudgement yesterday when he assumed or asserted that people who had raised this as an issue were jumping on a far right bandwagon. >> that was monday, and he said he was talking about politicians, not people. >> yeah, but even so, even so, even so for a politician to raise 1534 00:10:15,944 --> 00:10