>> morning 930 on wednesday the 22nd of january live across the uk. britain's newsroom with andrew pierce and miriam cates. >> now our top stories today. ministers pledged to toughen laws on buying knives online as the southport killer axel rudakubana purchased deadly weapons on amazon with just a few clicks of a mouse aged 17. meanwhile. >> multiple different agencies were in contact with rudy cabana and knew about his history of violence. he was referred three times to prevent, between december 2019 and april 2021

when, aged 13 and 14. >> those comments from the home secretary prompted questions if the anti—terrorism agency prevent is fit for purpose. former prevent employee charlotte littlewood spoke to gb news. >> he prevent practitioner who took that call, then did not decide when filling out the form about risk ideology that it should be passed to channel. so unfortunately, i think this is a very localised failing. >> well, there's misinformation led to disorder, violence in multiple locations around the country. merseyside police said there was far more about the case. the background of rudy cabana that they wanted to talk about, but were prevented from doing so by the crown prosecution service. >> and the backlog in maintaining crumbling schools, hospitals and prisons cost the government at least £49 billion. another headache for the chancellor. >> and could you could your local beauty spots be at risk?

as the chancellor, rachel reeves and london mayor sadiq khan are at loggerheads over a third runway at heathrow airport. >> and as president trump gets tough on gender diversity, eqtu tough on gender diversity, equity and inclusion. do you feel safe travelling to america? we'll be debating that. and did you see that bishop, who gave donald trump a dressing down in washington cathedral? take listen. >> in ipp citizens or have the proper documentation. but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. >> well, we'd love to know what you think, so please do send your views and post your comments online by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay. what do you think of the home secretary's plans to ban knife sales online? >> it'sjust plans to ban knife sales online? >> it's just pathetic. plans to ban knife sales online? >> it'sjust pathetic. frankly, >> it's just pathetic. frankly, she hasn't said that she's not

going to ban sales online. actually, what she said is, oh, amazing, you can buy a knife online. really easy. really. home secretary has only just woken up and she didn't realise that. amazon if you buy off amazon which by the way i don't pointedly on principle they often leave their deliveries on the doorstep. >> that's right. because in theory, if you do purchase something that has an age limit on online for. >> it. >> it. >> you've got. an adult. exactly. and sometimes they do ask for that, but often they don't like you say, and just leave it on the doorstep. >> and drive. the amazon staff are on the lowest wage there in are on the lowest wage there in a big hurry. they ain't got time and they couldn't care less. >> and even if you did ban the reputable retailers like amazon from selling, kids can still buy knives on tiktok. so all these other kind of unregulated platforms. so i think it is a problem that we should look at. but the idea that this has just suddenly happened is not true. >> we've heard it all before. now sources are claiming that the police were stopped by the crown prosecution service from

releasing vital information about the southport killer. >> and questions are being raised as to whether the anti—terrorism scheme prevent is fit for purpose. >> the government is going to and of course, the government, as we said, says it will crack down on children buy knives online. but again, we're going back to this. how are they going to do that then? are they going to do that then? are they going to are they going to say to amazon, you will no longer sell knives online? we're going to ban the sales of knives online. >> i think there are questions to be asked because online selling has completely changed our retail landscape. and in the past, shopkeepers spotting children and other people who are buying things. >> how old are you, >> how old are you, >> mate exactly? or you walk into a diy store and you buy things that could be used to make a bomb. you know, that was a kind of very obvious safeguard which doesn't exist anymore. >> you could say to amazon, if you're going to sell these lethal weapons, which they are in the wrong hands, they have to be distributed to a post office. you have to go to the post office and show id. >> yeah, that's a very good idea. >> what's wrong with that? >> what's wrong with that? >> yeah, very good idea. i think

you've solved it, andrew. >> but it's not rocket science. and the home secretary had nothing to say about any of this except more empty rhetoric. it's terrible. it's disgraceful, she said. who'd have thought it? >> i know, and the fact is, you know, yes, these things are problems. but the idea that they're new. and again, what sir keir starmer said about, you know, this new problem with lone wolves and young men becoming radicalised online. it's a problem, but it's not new. it's been happening for 10 or 15. >> years, by the way. i looked at what the government said in september, just september last yeah september, just september last year. this government, when they brought in the ban on zombie knives. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> didn't mention online knife sales. nothing was mentioned about it at all. like they weren't aware in september that young men are buying knives onune young men are buying knives online because they think it's cool to have a knife, cool to have a knife to go to school, cool to have a knife, to be in a gang. >> that's right. i think it does throw up problems about, you know, the online aspect of this, because the whole point of being onune because the whole point of being online is it is secret. and so people don't get the opportunity to spot changes in behaviour, you know, purchases that could

be used maliciously. and that is thatis be used maliciously. and that is that is a problem that we're going to have. >> to solve. she also said, didn't she, the home secretary, in her statement yesterday, that it would have been outrageous to have released any information whatsoever about the fact that the police were looking at the ricin and the fact that the monster of southport had downloaded all the jihadi material. they never took that approach. when david amess was murdered, no tory mp, we knew within two days that the man who'd been arrested had been looked at by the anti—terrorism organisation. >> and we're going to be speaking to sir david amess daughter katie, later on in the programme about that exact matter. it is it is perplexing because on the one hand, it is certainly true that axel rudakubana doesn't seem to be a classic islamist. you know, he started going down all sorts of violent routes, but nevertheless, absolutely, he seems to be motivated by al—qaeda. but it seems to me they're just fearful of mentioning the word islamist. that was basically the problem that they had.

>> absolutely. well, let's bring in our home security editor, mark white about all this. mark, just on knives at the beginning. do you do you not share my scepticism? blimey, here we go. we've heard all this before. >> this is a distraction. i'm sorry. good. and people are just swallowing these talking points thrown out by the government yesterday. yeah, the fact is, these were kitchen knives. this young man could have gone into the kitchen of his home address and taken out a kitchen knife with exactly the same end result. yes, of course, amazon need to probably tighten some of the security around double checking that the people that are delivering knives to, at the end of the day are of age to receive these knives. but as i say, that's a talking point the government's put out there, along with other issues about, of course, the agencies is a very important issue about the multiple agencies that failed, really, to get a handle on this young man and his very violent background. but the issue that

none of the media , really none of the media, really broadcast media that i watched last night in covering the prime minister and the home secretary standing up and admitting that they suppressed information in they suppressed information in the aftermath of this incident in southport that was never mentioned in any meaningful way in any of the broadcasts that went out last night. it was all on the issues around the agency's failings, the knife being available on amazon and the like. but yet we are hearing today, of course, from these sources and in fact confirmed by the merseyside chief constable herself that they wanted to get out information to the public as disorder was starting to take hold in towns right across the country, information that might have been able to throw some light on it to convince people that they weren't covering up

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