>> it's 930 on tuesday 28th of january, live across the uk. this is britain's newsroom with andrew pierce and miriam cates. >> two tier policing claims have been dismissed as right wing and plans to revive non—crime hate incidents are just two of the findings from a leaked home office review. yes. >> they also described the rape gangs as alleged and said that this was often hooked onto by far right extremists. i'll bring you more details shortly. >> rioting for fun. new research gets to the bottom of how teenagers found themselves caught up in the summer riots,

and it was nothing to do with onune and it was nothing to do with online misinformation. >> in a britain's newsroom exclusive, a former government scientist blasts labour's net zero plans as a fantasy. as he writes to the energy secretary, ed miliband. take a listen. >> my criticism is isn't doing it. it's the fact that it's all going to be done in five years time. this is an artificial deadune time. this is an artificial deadline that has not been discussed or agreed with the civil engineering companies, who are going to have to do it. >> and $1 trillion, 1 trillion wiped from the value of the world's largest technology companies after the emergence of deep seek, a cheaper chinese rival to chatgpt. president trump wants america to do more to dominate artificial intelligence. >> the release of deep seek ai from a chinese company should be a wake up call for our industries that we need to be

laser focused on competing to win. >> and conservative leader kemi badenoch has backed calls to ban under 60s from owning smartphones like they have in australia, will debate if it's time to do the same here in britain. >> and police in sheffield were involved in a high speed blue light chase of a shoplifter who evaded them in a wheelchair. >> that's outside meadowhall, which is in sheffield, where i grew up. i remember it opening andifs grew up. i remember it opening and it's just hilarious, isn't it? why and it's just hilarious, isn't it.7 why didn't they get out and run.7 >> i know that if they run they'd have got there a lot quicker in lord darzi, but we won't spoil it because you've got to watch it and see how it ended. because shoplifting is shoplifting, whether you're in a wheelchair or not. it's appalling. >> and i think the most shocking part of the report is that she hasn't been charged, or at least

she's just been cautioned, even though she was caught red handed and stealing high value items. >> how fast is she going? >> how fast is she going? >> i know. >> i know. >> i know. >> i mean, why couldn't they got out? got out the. why can they get out of the flipping car and run after great lumps? >> yeah, well. >> yeah, well. >> someone says they were going. she was going wheely fast, but that's a really bad pun, so i'm not going to. >> repeat it. angie. oh, dear. well, we'd love to know what you think about that. so please do send your views and your comments to gbnews.com/yoursay. but first of all, here are the news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> miriam. angie. >> miriam. angie. >> thank you. good morning. these are your headlines at 933. police should record more non—crime hate incidents. according to a leaked home office report, despite earlier orders to stop over fears of the impact on free speech. the counter—extremism report dismisses claims of two tier policing as right wing extremism narrative. the review, ordered

by the home secretary, goes on to say that grooming gangs an alleged problem frequently exploited by the far right. meanwhile, sir keir starmer has responded, saying when it comes to extremism, it's important to focus resources on the threats faced by the uk. >> i think when it comes to extremism, it's very important that we are focused on the threat so we can deploy our resources properly and therefore we're looking carefully at where the key challenges are. obviously, that's now informed with what i said last week in the aftermath of the southport murders, where we've got the additional challenge, i think, of a sort of cohort of loners who are extreme and they need to be factored in. so that's the focus. in the end, what this comes down to is safety and security of people across the united kingdom. and that's my number one focus. >> meanwhile, teens who participated in the summer riots were primarily driven by

curiosity and the thrill of the moment, according to new research. the children's commissioner said the involvement of some children was spontaneous and unconsidered, and had less to do with online misinformation or far right ideology. violence broke out across the country in the days and weeks following the murders of three children at the taylor swift themed dance class in southport in july 2020. four to the us now, where donald trump has called the rise of chinese company deep seek a wake up call for the us tech industry after its artificial intelligence model triggered shock waves on wall street. deep seek says its models are comparable with those from us giants like openai, but potentially a fraction of the cost. that has triggered a fall in various us shares, especially chip maker nvidia, which registered a record one day loss for any company on wall street. responding to the news yesterday, the us president said the latest developments in

china's ai industry may be a positive for the us. >> the release of deep seek ai from a chinese company should be a wake up call for our industries that we need to be laser focused on competing to win. and two just stop oil supporters have disrupted a west end performance of the tempest, starring sigourney weaver. the protest unfolded at the theatre royal protest unfolded at the theatre royal, drury lane, last night when two activists entered the stage with an orange banner reading over 1.5 degrees is a global shipwreck. this was a reference to the recent announcement that 2024 had been the warmest on record globally, and the first full year when the average temperature exceeded 1.5 degrees above pre—industrial levels. weaver, who had been seated on a stage at the time, was escorted off as protesters faced a mix of boos and some cheers from the audience. those are the latest gb news headlines. more in half an hour.

>> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com/alerts. >> hello and welcome! this is britain's newsroom live across the united kingdom on gb news, with andrew pierce and miriam cates standing in for bev turner. >> well, just look at this wretched woman in this wheelchair evading the police in a blue light car chase. >> or something in. >> or something in. >> and of course, twitter has worked its magic on this clip. and so someone else has posted

this. >> hizb ut—tahrir. >> hizb ut—tahrir. >> so that's for those of us who are not old enough to remember. thatis are not old enough to remember. that is the benny hill music. and when they used to be the most extraordinary chases, why didn't those coppers get out of the car? >> i know, and run. >> i know, and run. >> and just run and stop. >> and just run and stop. >> her because it wasn't an electric wheelchair, was it? no. it was. >> she was going pretty fast, wasn't she? >> she was? yes. i know that area really well because i grew up in sheffield and i've been to meadowhall many times. on the one hand, i'm delighted that the police were attending shoplifting. >> very unusual. >> very unusual. >> on the other hand, no charges have been. >> no charges? why not? >> no charges? why not? >> outrageous. >> outrageous. >> yeah, and i'm pretty sure it's not the first time. >> no, we're quite possibly not. and when i was an mp, i used to speak to a lot of shopkeepers who said that one of the reasons that shoplifting has just gone, you know, through the walls is

that police do not attend now unless it's a very they take enormous amounts of stock. and so people just know they can walk in and take stuff off the shelves. >> and small shops, particularly family run shops, the corner shop, they can't afford a security guard on the door all day. and those and the little tesco's near me, they've got a security guard there all day. now that's putting the cost, that's putting the prices up. of course it is. >> and some of the bigger supermarket chains now, it's company policy that their employees are not allowed to challenge people that they catch shoplifting. they are allowed to say, would you like a basket for that? but they're not allowed to physically challenge them, which of course is for their health and safety reasons. but it means everybody knows. >> i've got to tell you, when i worked in sainsbury's in swindon as a sixth former and there was as a sixth former and there was a shoplifter, we knew who the wee wee boys, we would chase them and bring them down and we enjoyed that bit of a thrill. social justice when we pull them back in. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> those were the days. >> those were the days. >> well, in a very another odd approach to criminal justice. there's an interesting story about iceland today, isn't there? >> jobs for yobs. so they've

come up with this brilliant idea that instead of sending low level offenders to prison, that's people who commit. low level assaults. they don't go to prison. they work in iceland, stacking shelves. >> iceland, the shop, not the country. not sending them to iceland. the country. there. there's an idea. >> i'm sorry. this is an outrage. they. where's the punishment in that? what about the victim? that's a smack in the victim? that's a smack in the face for the victim. if you've been burgled, it's not low level. if you've been burgled, it's horrible. absolutely. it's really horrible andifs absolutely. it's really horrible and it's really upsetting. >> and they've said that the reason for this is because prisons are so overcrowded. they've got to have something to do with prisons. yeah. and that people who are convicted of serious crimes, sex crimes or arson are not going to be suitable. but i think it's a really good idea to give convicts work experience, because one of the main reasons that people go back to crime after leaving prison is they can't get a job. yeah, so that's a really good idea. but why not work in iceland during the day and then go back to prison in the evening? because otherwise, where is the punishment? >> yeah. and timpson, of course,

the boss of timpson is now the prisons minister. timpson had the idea. well, if you are a prisoner, when you finish your sentence, you get a job at timpson, which is great about rehabilitation. look, we're all in favour of rehabilitation, but you've got to punish them. punish them too. and this is joke. >> frankly, it is absolutely true that we are now short of prison places and there's all sorts of people to blame for that. but it must be possible to put up some temporary prisons like we. you think what we achieved, whether for good or ill, but achieved during covid in terms of building those nightingale hospitals and things like that. use them to be able to provide them as prison. exactly. >> and in the 90s, they used to get prison barges. >> yes. >> yes. >> remember? >> remember? >> yes. >> yes. >> float them off the thames. >> float them off the thames. >> of course, that wasn't popular with asylum seekers ehhen popular with asylum seekers either, was it? but anyway. but yes. well good on the jobs. not good on the no punishment. anyway, moving on. a leaked home office report shows that police have been advised to ramp up recording non—crime hate incidents, despite public orders to stop over free speech concerns. >> now, this was a fast track review ordered by the home secretary, yvette cooper, and in

it, claims of two tier policing are dismissed as a right wing extremist narrative. >> well, in the past few minutes, the prime minister has had this to say. >> when it comes to extremism, it's very important that we are focused on the threat so we can deploy our resources properly and therefore we're looking carefully at where the key challenges are. obviously, that's now informed with what i said last week in the aftermath of the southport murders, where we've got the additional challenge, i think, of a sort of cohort of loners who are extreme and they need to be factored in. so that's the focus. in the end, what this comes down to is safety and security of people across the united kingdom. and that's my number one focus. >> well, joining us now is our political correspondent katherine forster. catherine, thank you for joining katherine forster. catherine, thank you forjoining us. we'll thank you for joining us. we'll come on to this leaked report in a minute. but there's been some breaking news, hasn't there, from the ons about population

projections for the ten next years. >> yes there has. the ons has put out in the last few minutes . put out in the last few minutes. the population of britain was 67.6 million. in mid 2022. that is projected to go up to 72.5 million by mid 2032. so that's a rise of just under 5 million people projected in the next ten years. and given that the government has made all these pledges about getting britain building, including, you know, 1.5 million new homes, given that we're expecting 500,000 additional people per year, it's very hard to see how they can even sort of keep still with the needs that that huge population rise is going to bring. >> a lot of that rise in population down to migration,

people coming in. >> yes. the ons are saying that this will be driven almost exclusively by net migration. now, we know that net migration stood at, what, about three quarters of a million over the last year or two? now that's projected to come down. but even so, from 2022 to 2032, half a million per year on average, that's very, very high indeed. bearin that's very, very high indeed. bear in mind, of course, that when we have that brexit vote, that one of the factors for the brexit vote was getting control of migration. it was then standing at about a third of a million a year. and when boris johnson came in back in 2019, it was about a quarter of a million. the conservatives pledged to get that down. but look at where we are now. >> putting it crudely, that's 10 million additional foreign people moving to britain in the next in this next decade. no hospitals, no schools, not

enough homes, countries where the country is going to grind to a halt. >> it's incredibly difficult, isn't it, because we know that the government doesn't have much money. we know that, you know, these huge tax rises to try to get money. we know that they're trying to get growth. that's what they want to talk about today. but growth takes time. we've had precious little of it really since the financial crisis. we need it to get more money into the economy, to get more money for public services. but we see from these figures that if these are correct, we're going to need vastly more resources to fund the school places, the hospitals, the houses. and it's not clear at the moment where that money is going to come from. >> these figures are only correct if we do nothing to change our visa system. and i think it's widely acknowledged now that the system set up under bons now that the system set up under boris johnson, which had a salary threshold far, far too low, that had all these exceptions for so—called

shortage worker schemes that allowed millions of students in. i think most people accept that thatis i think most people accept that that is broken. the question is, what will labour do about it? will they persist in raising the thresholds? will they follow the advice of many think tanks, which is to set a hard cap on the number of visas? or do you think they'll just look at these figures and think, well, there's nothing we can do about it? >> well, of course, robert jenrick was pledging to get net migration down to the tens of thousands. kemi badenoch said it's going to come down. the government has said it's going to come down. but look, if it's already at sort of 700,000 a yean already at sort of 700,000 a year, that shouldn't be too difficult. the question is, how many do you get it down to? and the problem is that ultimately the problem is that ultimately the home office is always battling to get net migration down. but meanwhile, the treasury, the education department and so on and so forth are thinking, well, look, more workers, more money in the economy. that's growth. and often they measure growth as the economy growing. but it isn't

really at the moment, rather than what perhaps is more pertinent to all of us, which is gdp per head. are we feeling better off if the economy is growing? but we've got hundreds of thousands more people in the country, and ultimately many of us may not feel it at all. in fact, we may feel we're worse off. if you can't get those doctor's appointments and can't get our kids into the school that we want to. >> and i worry about social cohesion. yeah, i mean, the impact on towns and i mean, people already feel like strangers in certain towns and cities in this country. this is going to make it so much worse. catherine. >> yes, absolutely. and of course, we've got a row going on today about this leaked home office report that was commissioned by yvette cooper. and following the riots, following those southport murders, they call it a rapid analytical sprint. and it was carried out by home office officials. now, it's worth saying that ministers are now saying that ministers are now saying they're rejecting it, but

there are several really worrying things within it. i think one of which is that claims of two tier policing are an extreme right wing narrative. another one is that right wing extremists, quote, frequently exploit the grooming gangs or rape gangs, let's call it what it is scandal. and they describe those as alleged group based sexual abuse. well, i'd love to know who you use the word alleged. there's nothing alleged about it. we've got many people gone to jail for this, and also that they're suggesting that more non—crime hate incidents be recorded when the police are already very, very stretched. and most, you know, real crimes don't get solved. >> catherine, we're going to have to leave it there, unfortunately. >> it tells you everything about the mindset of the home office. >> absolutely. because of course, the government have said they're not going to accept this. >> but they've got to clear that, clear out that home office. it's not fit for purpose. >> we'll have more on that

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>> to recap that breaking news from the office for national statistics, the uk population could reach 72.5 million by 2032. that's a rise of 10 million over the decade. 500,000 now that's 5 million, isn't it? 500,000 every year? no, that's. yeah, yeah. so 5 million people. yeah. net. it's disastrous. >> it is. so they think 10 million people will come? yeah, 5 million people will leave. yeah. so you don't know which people are coming, which people are. >> going, and it's going to be a lot of british people are going to leave because they think this country is not. exactly. >> and in that time, the other stat is that births , sorry, stat is that births, sorry, deaths are going to outnumber births, which means that we don't even have enough children coming through to fill the labour market to then pay taxes. so it is a disaster. they are going to have to change the visa rules. yeah. and otherwise, you know, who knows how on earth the country will cope. >> with an absolute gift for reform who will be all over this like. >> a rash. it really is.

>> a rash. it really is. >> all over it like a rat. and quite rightly too, because it's appalling and worrying and i can't bear it. >> absolutely. don't go anywhere because we will be hearing from a former government scientist who's calling labour's net zero plans a fantasy. >> despite the morning rain. it'll be a nice, warm, cosy day ahead. boxt heat pumps, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. coming to you from the met office. this is your latest gb news weather update. there will be plenty of showers around today and some of these could be thundery with the risk of some hail. and we also need to watch out for some strong winds, especially across southern coastal parts. although the winds will be easing as we go through the day. like i said, there's some hefty showers to watch out for, particularly across parts of wales. some significant rain pushing in here could be some flooding as a result, and also across parts of the south west, even elsewhere. some showery outbreaks here and there, but also something a bit dnen there, but also something a bit drier, perhaps brighter, across perhaps parts of southern scotland. temperatures are going to be near normal for the time of year, but with some blustery

weather, particularly towards the south, it's going to feel a bit colder than these may suggest. now, as we head through this evening and overnight, we are going to start to see those showers easing. but nonetheless, there will be plenty of showers as we go through the end of the day across northern scotland in particular. and some of these will be falling as sleet or snow over the higher ground. also across northern ireland. plenty of showers for the time being to something a bit drier though. across parts of northern england some clear spells to start the night. a cloudier story and a wetter story though for more central southern parts of england and into wales. that being said, the showers are gradually going to ease for many of us as we go overnight, with some clear skies developing here and there. the showers, though continuing for the far north of northern ireland and northern scotland, so staying pretty wet here. otherwise, where we see the clear skies, temperatures are going to take a bit of a drop low single figures, perhaps a touch of frost in rural spots, maybe the odd icy patch and some mist and fog patches developing as well. those mist and fog patches should clear as we go through the morning, and then we kind of have three zones of

weather on wednesday. some further showery rain, sleet and snow across parts of scotland and northern ireland. something dner and northern ireland. something drier across central parts. good deal of fine weather here, but in the far south the potential for some heavy rain and perhaps some stronger winds to push that way in temperatures are looking similar to today really, so feeling more pleasant where we get some decent sunshine. see you later. >> there will be a light breeze in the morning leading to a front. boxt heat pumps

well. >> welcome back. it's 10:10 well. >> welcome back. it's10:10 a.m. >> welcome back. it's10:10 am. on tuesday, the 28th of january, and we are live across the united kingdom. this is britain's newsroom with andrew pierce and miriam cates. >> breaking news the uk's population is set to rise to 72.5 million by mid 2032, driven almost entirely by immigration.

that's a 5 million increase in the next ten years. >> and in a britain's newsroom exclusive, a former government scientist blasts labour's net zero plans as a fantasy. as he writes to the energy secretary, ed miliband. take a listen. >> my criticism is isn't doing it. it's the fact that it's all going to be done in five years time. this is an artificial deadune time. this is an artificial deadline that has not been discussed or agreed with the civil engineering companies, who are going to have to do it. >> and two tier policing claims dismissed as right wing and plans to revive non—crime hate incidents, will have all the details from a leaked home office review. >> and rioting for fun. new research gets to the bottom of how teenagers found themselves caught up in the summer riots, and it was nothing to do with onune and it was nothing to do with online misinformation. >> and president trump says the rise of deepseek are cheaper.

chinese rival to chatgpt must be monitored closely. >> the release of deepseek ai >> the release of deepseek a! from a chinese company should be a wake up call for our industries that we need to be laser focused on competing to win. >> conservative leader kemi badenoch backs calls to ban under 16 from owning smartphones like they have done in australia, will debate if it's time to do the same in britain. >> and get this. police in sheffield were involved in a high speed blue light chase of a shoplifter who evaded them in a wheelchair. >> these new population figures are absolutely stark. i mean, a net increase of population by 5 million over the next ten years, and that would be a okay if it was children who were then going to grow up through the school

system, going to work and everything like that. but it's not we're talking 5 million adults. >> it's shocking. it's appalling. think about the impact on social cohesion. and if you're already thinking you're living in a country that doesn't feel very english or british or welsh or scottish, it's just going to make it a whole lot worse. and you think about some of the riots and disturbances we had. i just think this is a disaster for this country, a. >> disaster because it doesn't have to happen. they could change the visa rules right now, stop the vast majority of immigration into this country. the treasury wouldn't like it because it would look like no growth, but it would certainly feel like growth. >> so what's the chance? i mean, she makes her speech tomorrow all about creating growth. is she going to embrace this? i certainly hope she doesn't. >> i'd love to know what you think. so please do send your views and comments to gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, here are the news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> miriam. andrew. thank you. good morning. it's just gone . good morning. it's just gone. 10:00. these are your headlines. police should record more non—crime hate incidents.

according to a leaked home office report, despite earlier orders to stop over fears of the impact to free speech, the counter—extremism report dismisses claims of two tier policing as a right wing extremist narrative. the review, ordered by the home secretary, goes on to say that grooming gangs are an alleged problem frequently exploited by the far right. the security minister, dan jarvis, has since said that the advice has been rejected and that islamist extremism, followed by far right extremism, continues to be at the heart of the government's approach. meanwhile, shadow business secretary andrew griffiths told gb news the report's conclusion is disturbing. >> the home secretary needs to pubush >> the home secretary needs to publish this immediately so that we can all see for ourselves what and who it is that's saying these non—crime hate incidents, these non—crime hate incidents, these attacks and waste of police resources, something a conservative home secretary stopped. and there's clearly a cell within the home office that

is not concerned about ordinary crime, ordinary policing in favour of this ideological approach to non—crime hate incidents. they're wrong. that's not where we should be putting our police resources. and the home secretary needs to come to parliament today, publish this report and explain who it is that keeps coming up with this idea. >> meanwhile, sir keir starmer has responded, saying when it comes to extremism, it's important to focus resources on the threats faced by the uk. >> i think when it comes to extremism, it's very important that we are focused on the threat so we can deploy our resources properly and therefore we're looking carefully at where the key challenges are. obviously, that's now informed with what i said last week in the aftermath of the southport murders, where we've got the additional challenge, i think, of a sort of cohort of loners who are extreme and they need to be factored in. so that's the

focus. in the end, what this comes down to is safety and security of people across the united kingdom. and that's my number one focus. >> and teens who participated in the summer riots were primarily dnven the summer riots were primarily driven by curiosity and the thrill of the moment, according to new research. the children's commissioner said the involvement of some children was spontaneous and unconsidered, and had less to do with online misinformation or far right ideology. violence out across the country. in the days and weeks following the murders of three children at a taylor swift themed dance class in southport in july 2024, the uk population is set to grow by nearly 5 million in the next decade, and it's almost entirely down to net migration. ons figures project britain's population could reach 72.5 million by mid 2032. that's up from the latest estimate of 67.6 million. the data, published today assumes a level

of long term net international migration of 340,000 a year from mid 2028. the projections also highlight an increasingly ageing mid 2028. the projections also highlight an increasingly ageing population, with the number of population, with the number of people aged over 85 projected to people aged over 85 projected to be nearly double to 3.3 million be nearly double to 3.3 million by 2047. donald trump has called by 2047. donald trump has called the rise of chinese company the rise of chinese company deepseek a wake up call for the deepseek a wake up call for the us tech industry after its us tech industry after its artificial intelligence model artificial intelligence model triggered shock waves on wall triggered shock waves on wall street. deepseek says its models street. deepseek says its models are comparable with those from are comparable with those from us giants like openai, but us giants like openai, but a ' the projections also potentially a fraction of the potentially a fraction of the cost. that has triggered a fall cost. that has triggered a fall in various us shares, especially in various us shares, especially chip maker nvidia, which chip maker nvidia, which registered a record one day loss registered a record one day loss for any company on wall street. for any company on wall street. responding to the news responding to the news yesterday, the us president said yesterday, the us president said the latest developments in the latest developments in china's ai industry may be a china's ai industry may be a positive for the us. positive for the us. >> the release of deepseek ai >> the release of deepseek ai >> the release of deepseek a! from a chinese company should be >> the release of deepseek a! from a chinese company should be

to the qr code or go to gbnews.com/alerts. >> hello and welcome back to britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and miriam cates. >> thrill seeking and distrust of the police were the main factors for those youngsters who were involved in last summer's riots. that's according to research by the children's commissioner, dame rachel de souza. >> yes. and she says that these challenges, the prevailing narrative that online misinformation, racism or other right wing influences were to blame for children's involvement. well, let's get more on this with professor of criminology james treadwell. james, some of these children that were convicted were as young as 11. they were just going along with the crowd, weren't they? >> morning, miriam. yeah, i think that's it's an important it's an important topic in some ways to a lot of what's been said. the children's commissioner's report. it's 37 pages, very accessible, very

easy read. and it provides children's own voices for why they've been involved. and many of those that are being contacted now are facing pretty severe consequences. rightly so. you know, they they broke the law, but they certainly weren't going along because they were they were fully committed to right wing ideologies. the reasons for their motivation for involvement were sometimes as as plain as going along to get free stuff and stealing, and not the first riot that we've seen that there's an involvement of that. but it was also very much going with the crowd and looking for adventure in places very often where there's very little resource or things for them to do. >> james, i'm not condoning what they did in any shape or form. of course not. but actually i was reassured to read that report because i thought, good. theidea report because i thought, good. the idea that as boys as young as 11, 12, 13 had been indoctrinated in some way by the far right, by extremists, was far right, by extremists, was far more worrying.

>> yeah, absolutely. and there is. and again, i think it's important we put some context around some of these ideas about indoctrination, for example. so by listening to the voices of young people, one of the things that we hear is that, you know, there were certainly adults there were certainly adults there that were very much encouraging young people to act in criminal ways. now, you know, the they're obviously doing that because it's a kind of vicarious way in which they can play out their own. the adults can kind of play out their own agenda. but manipulating and exploiting children, there's something similar there that we find in things like county lines as well. you know, where we're thoughtful adults can can really play thoughtful adults can can really play off of young people. and i think, you know, recognising that we can recognise that there's a need for a more considered response than simply to kind of badge everybody that was there and that was involved, you know, right wing extremists. >> and the specific call from the children's commissioner is to erase these children's

criminal records. so they have been punished. they've been taught that this is wrong and warned not to do it again. and isn't it right, actually that that that should be the end of it. because, for example, if a child in school punches another child in school punches another child and they have a fight in the playground that doesn't go on their criminal record, whereas once you're an adult that might be gbh, you might absolutely be charged. children's brains are different, aren't they? they don't understand the consequences, and they are absolutely susceptible to what the adults around them are doing and saying. >> yeah, and i'm very sympathetic to a lot of that. and i think what we need to do as a society in some ways is to have a much more considered think about what should stay long term on a record and what the purpose of doing that is for, you know, if someone's exhibiting very concerning behaviour, for example, sexual offending or at a very young age, you know, perhaps we should continue to we shouldn't wipe the criminal record. but if someone has done something that in a moment of madness and then, you know, manages to exist for, for ten years, having never come to the attention of the

authorities again as a 14 or 15 year old, perhaps. then there's a really strong rationale for going back and revisiting, but i think we need to think about what the purpose is of, of taking those actions and what we're essentially trying to do. you know, the main reason, it seems to me, for knowing someone's criminal and antecedent history is to is, is to manage them in future and to safeguard. and, you know, in reality, i think, you know, the kind of circumstances that give rise to youth involvement in, in riots aren't likely to necessarily come up again and again and again. >> james treadwell, thank you very much, professor of criminology. >> well, a former government scientist has written to ed miliband, who is, of course, the climate change secretary or energy security secretary, branding the uk's net zero plans an engineering fantasy. having underestimated the challenges and the costs hugely. >> so, to recap, labour want to make the uk a clean energy superpower with the goal of achieving a zero carbon electricity system by 2030.

>> they say that doing so will reduce annual household energy bills, cut business energy costs, creating hundreds of thousands of jobs in the clean energy sector. >> well, we're joined now in the gb news studio with science and health editor lucy johnston. lucy, you've been investigating this? >> i have, yes. and we've spoken to professor kelly. he's written a huge report. he is a large scale engineer. he's written to ed miliband, and he's also spoken to the department. and he says the country has neither the manpower, the money nor the materials to do this. he says it's absolute fantasy and that it's absolute fantasy and that it will cost, on average, by 2050, each household £100,100,000 per household. he's not arguing that we shouldn't do it. he's just saying that the government hasn't been clear about the costs and its cost benefit analysis is just very opaque.soi benefit analysis is just very opaque. so i spoke to him about how realistic this was.

>> i don't think it's very realistic at all. i think the easiest way to think about it is this only this last summer or last year, half of all the electricity in this country came from renewable energy, and that is a milestone. but it's taken 20 years for that, for us to reach that. and what they're proposing is to do the second half of the job that is to get from 50% to 100% renewables, all in five years. >> well, if. >> well, if. >> they and that's the effort in. >> and it's a focus, you know, like patrick vallance has said, this needs to be like a vaccine rollout. it is something we need to do. we've got forest fires. we have floods. so surely if you put the effort in, it's a. >> it's a totally, totally agree that if you put the effort in. but the problem is we need professional engineers and we have a number of professional engineers in the grid. but if we're going to go four times faster, we're going to need four times as many professional engineers in the construction of

these various pieces for the new power plants and everything else. and these tend to be different kinds of engineers from the ones in the past, particularly for wind or for solar. and we've got a certain number of them. but the idea that their productivity is going to raise by 400% for the next five years to get there is, i think most people would agree, moonshine. >> so professor kelly has identified the fact that we need about 140,000 engineers. he does talk about the numbers, and he says, you know, you may quibble around the margins, but there is no one so far that's been able to dispute his report, which is hugely detailed. so that's what he's asking for. of course, the labour party says that the renewable energies will bring down the costs, and they say that the cost of not doing it will be worse. we haven't had a

quote from the labour party, but friends of the earth have said that if we don't do this, it will cost the country more. the gdp will, it will, it will bring down our our bank balance. but what professor kelly says is that by 2050, this will cost us 4.4 trillion. now, to put that into context. >> my god. >> my god. >> it's a huge amount. >> it's a huge amount. >> that's more that's nearly double the national debt. >> exactly that. and it would easily. well it's the it's twice our gdp. it's twice our bank balance. and by 2030 he estimates it will cost about 100 billion. now we already have a huge national debt. so he's just asking for some clarity on what this cost benefit analysis. and ispoke this cost benefit analysis. and i spoke to him in detail about these costs as well. so this is part of a wider scheme for the whole country to become carbon neutral by 2050. and i do know that you've looked very.

>> in. >> in. >> great detail at that, and you've costed that at £3 trillion. yes, the whole the whole project. again, that i mean, just for, for, for viewers, for me, £3 trillion. well, that was the equivalent that the second world war the americans spent. >> on the second world war. >> on the second world war. >> and what is that? you know, compared to the spending on covid, the spending on the nhs? well, it's . well, it's. >> it's enormous. and i think it comes out to about a, my estimate, by the way, we've got to be very careful because that 3 trillion cost, half of that is the is getting the grid. >> we can go into. >> we can go into. >> the costs and the other half is all about. >> but that's about 100,000 per. >> but that's about 100,000 per. >> household, £100,000 per household. >> so that's either going to come in tax or bills. bills presumably. >> yes. >> yes. >> so and there's no private money that's going to subsidise. >> well if even if the private money comes in it will not be a gift, it will not be philanthropic, it will be money that's lent to buy the stuff, and you have to pay it back.

>> so he's i mean, there are there is the argument that we should be doing this for the future and for the children of the future. but he's saying that there's only one pie. this will impact on defence spending, on education, on health. so it will impact in that way. and the other argument that he makes is that we don't have those materials. we need a huge amount of lithium and copper and all these other materials to go green, to have green electricity. and he says that this will impact other countries because we will be mining for these things. there is child labour we know about that will impact on biodiversity as well and air pollution. >> but so we can dig abroad, but we won't dig here. >> well we don't, but there are rules around here. but you know, the this government does insist that there is only one way to go. and if we don't do it, it will cost us more. and there is no other option. >> but what the professor is saying, that essentially it's impossible. even if we had the

money, we don't have the engineers. there is no practical way we're going to achieve this. so isn't it better to own up to that now? >> he is absolutely saying that. but unless there is some modelling or some information that he doesn't have that hasn't been released and so he could be wrong, he is just sticking by this and he's trying to get attention. and the problem is, if you do stick your neck out on this area, we remember in covid, if you said, well, children should go back to school, you were called a covid denial or an anti—vaxxer or something. so he's very, very careful. he's not saying we don't need to do this and he's not stepping into the climate debate. that's a totally different debate. what he's saying is that he's an engineer. he's a professor at cambridge university. this is what he's dedicated a lot of time to. please, can i see the figures or if not, can you please tell me where i'm wrong? >> because labour would say it's all about the next generation. >> they possibly would. but he's also saying it's about the next generation, because he's saying that we're impacting on them.

we'll need a command economy. we'll need a command economy. we'll have to retrofit all our houses. there's a huge amount of work to be done. we don't have the money and that will impact on other areas. we need money for children in other ways now. so he's saying we need to have a transparent debate about other ways of doing that at least. but there seems to be one way of doing it, he says. right. >> let's hear what he said. >> let's hear what he said. >> let's hear what he said. >> let's listen to what he said. >> let's listen to what he said. >> we owe them a lot more immediate things. i mean, remember, we're talking about climate changes that may occur in 20 or 30 years. and when you look back over the last 30 years, you say, what has climate change done for me? well, i can remember that things are just a little bit warmer. the winters aren't quite so cold, but the idea that if we do nothing, that it's going to make any difference at all to what happens. i mean, the chinese are busy and the indians are busy undoing what we do 30 times oven undoing what we do 30 times over. so for every amount of co2

we save, they use 30 times more. so whether we do anything or not. so that argument that we owe it to our children doesn't hold water. in a practical sense, it could be a theoretical sense, it could be a theoretical sense, but even then you would have to get a command economy to do it all. will it work? >> it will take money from education, health and defence. >> well, if you're going to do it at the scale you want to do, then there's only a certain pie and it will have to come from everywhere. so it could affect a few few technicians from intensive care units or the people who look after the boilers in various large buildings. so we'll need them all. >> amazing stuff. >> amazing stuff. >> yeah, very interesting interview. and interestingly, he compared the whole idea of reaching net zero by 2050 as a tower of babel, an impossible tower trying to reach to the sky and. doomed to failure. >> he says yes. >> he says yes. >> yes, yes. really interesting interview and hopefully we'll have a common sense response to it from the government. >> i doubt that. >> i doubt that. >> up next, find out why health

secretary wes streeting has been accused of sidelining female patients with britain's newsroom on gb news.

>> 11:00. >> 11:00. >> welcome back. it is 10:25 and you're watching britain's newsroom and we are joined by our fantastic panellists to go through the papers today. yeah, we've got nigel nelson. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and doctor renee hoenderkamp in the studio. nice to see you both. interesting array of news stories today. what's your pick? renee. >> it's a bit bitty, isn't it? i think it's all over the place, but we just were talking about before we came on about this stephen timms story. who is the mp in east london, where i grew up, and he flouts whitehall policy and attended a muslim council event, which they're not supposed to do. >> why aren't they?

>> why aren't they? >> because i think you don't want to be showing. >> that particular group. i think the government do not engage with because of various views. >> and he's got a huge muslim population. he is, of course, was famously stabbed in his own constituency , surgery by constituency, surgery by a muslim constituent, and he was in the cabinet at the time he was in gordon brown's cabinet. so he's obviously thinking, to hell with government advice. i need to engage with these people, otherwise i will lose my seat. >> but that's very interesting, isn't it? because there's quite a few seats around the country now where there's more than 12% of their population is actually of their population is actually of their population is actually of the muslim faith. and if they're having to make their decisions about what they do to pander to one particular area of their community, it means, by necessity that they're going to neglect other areas in that community which are equally important. it also means that one particular cultural area will have influence over our politics, which is really concerning. you know, we are a christian country, whatever you want to say. so having our mps

having to satisfy a muslim group in their constituencies, i think is dangerous and worrying. >> and we had earlier on the programme wasn't on our programme wasn't on our programme breakfast. jonathan ashworth was on, he lost his seat up in leicester to an independent muslim candidate. there are four independent muslim mps now wes streeting, who many people think will be the next labour leader. his majority in ilford, very close to east ham, cut down to 500 from 5500 when it probably should have gone up to 20,000. and i think it was quite significant when he said he supported he was not going to vote in favour of assisted dying. and i thought, is that because of your muslim population? because the justice secretary, shabana mahmood, has made exactly the same decision, because in the muslim population, life is precious, life is sacred, and they're absolutely opposed to it. >> yeah. i think with wes streeting on assisted dying, a lot of it had to do with the fact that his would be the lead department to try and sort it out. so that caused caused a number of problems. i mean, it may well be a conscious decision to that's what mps are facing on

this one. and so on. on the particular thing with the muslim council, they were the government cut all ties with them originally because of their because of alleged support for violence against israel. right. theidea violence against israel. right. the idea of actually getting involved with your muslim community within a constituency. i don't see a problem with that. what we're talking about here is that obviously in stephen timms case, it's a question of whether or not he should actually be at an embassy. >> but it does throw up how our democratic system can function in a multicultural society, because there is always a tension for mps between their constituents interests and the national interest. but most of the time they overlap. but what do you do when that is no longer the case? for example, if you are thinking about, you know how to vote on issues in the middle east, let's say, or how to vote on issues of extremism, there's now a big tension for mps with big muslim population in their constituency, because those two interests do not necessarily line up anymore. >> but doesn't that apply to any

constituency? >> no, because no. >> no, because no. >> it doesn't say in a rural constituency that but they'd be tempted. >> and there's values and they are different things. >> yes, i take that point. but but say you were in a rural constituency and you had a lot of farmers you would be tempted to go against and you're a labour mp, you would be tempted to go against rachel reeves policy on inheritance tax on farmers because you have the majority of constituents there, but ultimately an mp is not a delegate. they're representative. >> but i think we've just seen it at work, nigel, when how damaging it is. we've had an mp raise cousin marriages as a problem. we know where cousin marriages go on. i've worked and trained in whitechapel, where i saw the damaged children from cousin marriages. we know that there's a massively increased risk of damaged children mentally and physically from cousin marriages. i agree with all that. labour have now dropped that policy because they want to educate people rather than legislate. and yet i'm not allowed to marry my brother should i want to. so that's

that's legislated against. and the reason they've dropped it is because they will lose too much support. i think that's right. >> and remember, one of those four independent muslim mps stood up and spoke in favour of cousins marrying each other. >> yeah, no. >> yeah, no. >> influencing policy. that's when it's dangerous. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and labour are very worried about losing this muslim vote. it used to be assumed it was 70, 75% nigel. it was sharply down last election. and i was talking to some mps yesterday. they said it's going to be even worse next time. even though there's a ceasefire in gaza of a sort, they think it could be even worse for labour. >> yeah. i mean, there quite clearly gaza has had a huge effect on the on the labour vote had during the election and will have a continuing effect. obviously now we've got a ceasefire there if that is permanent and gaza ceases to be a major problem, it doesn't necessarily mean that the muslim vote won't return to labour mps. >> i don't think it will. >> i don't think it will. >> but but it's you know, there are so many areas we have a crisis of population where

people like me and miriam are not having enough children. mean. >> i've had three. >> i've had three. >> well, there's seven in our family, but most people are not having enough children. they're having enough children. they're having one point. >> i've got six. i've done. >> my part. >> my part. >> wow. >> wow. >> however, in immigrant populations, they are having lots and lots of children. so this is a growing population of people in our country who are having more and more effects on our policy and our mps. then we have to have a conversation about culture clashes, and we have to be able to talk about whether different cultures can comfortably sit side by side with the values that they hold. and i would argue that there's a lot of areas where they can't. >> fascinating. >> fascinating. >> thank you both. we'll see you in an hour. >> you're going to be back. you're going to be back. we've got it. we're going to go to headunes got it. we're going to go to headlines with sophia wenzler. >> andrew. miriam, thank you. your headlines at 1032, police

should record more non—crime hate incidents. according to a leaked home office report, despite earlier orders to stop over fears of the impact of free speech, the counter—extremism report dismisses claims of two tier policing as a right wing extremist narrative. the review, ordered by the home secretary, goes on to say that grooming gangs are an alleged problem frequently exploited by the far right. meanwhile, shadow business secretary andrew griffith told gb news the report's conclusion is disturbing. >> the home secretary needs to pubush >> the home secretary needs to publish this immediately so that we can all see for ourselves what and who it is that's saying these non—crime hate incidents, these non—crime hate incidents, these attack and waste of police resources, something a conservative home secretary stopped. and there's clearly a cell within the home office that is not concerned about ordinary crime, ordinary policing in favour of this ideological approach to non—crime hate incidents. they're wrong. that's not where we should be putting

our police resources. and the home secretary needs to come to parliament today, publish this report and explain who it is that keeps coming up with this idea. >> some breaking news now. the driver of a 4x4, which crashed into a school in wimbledon killing two children, has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. nuna death by dangerous driving. nuria sajjad and selena lau died after the collision at the study prep school in southwest london on the 6th of july 2023, a land rover smashed through a fence and drove into the school as an end of term tea party was being hosted. the met police initially said the driver had suffered an epileptic seizure and would face no criminal charges, but the girl's family said they were unconvinced by the investigation and in october the force said it would reopen its inquiry. now, the uk population is set to grow by nearly 5 million in the next decade, and it's almost entirely down to net migration. ons

figures project britain's population could reach 72.5 million by mid 2032, up from the latest estimate of 67.6 million. the data, published today assumes a level of long term net international migration of 340,000 a year from mid 2028. the projections also highlight an increasingly ageing population, with the number of people aged over 85 projected to be nearly double to 3.3 million by 2047. those are the latest gb news headlines. more in half an houn >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com/alerts.

>> well, the tory leader kemi badenoch has backed calls for a ban on smartphones for under 16 seconds, even revealing her only child only has a brick phone. this was in an interview she did at the weekend. >> i am someone who strongly believes that young people should not be using smartphones. ideally up until the age of 16. ideally up until the age of 16. ihave ideally up until the age of 16. i have a child who is nearly 12. she just started secondary school. she's not been given a smartphone. she has a brick phone. >> so we're going to be asking whether there should be a ban on children under 16 from having a smartphone. and we're now joined by broadcaster emma woolf and social media expert alan stephens to debate this. thank you both for joining stephens to debate this. thank you both forjoining us. this is this debate is becoming increasingly prevalent. all this talk about teenagers, particularly being harmed by what they're seeing online, but also about toddlers and the impact of screen time we've seen this week and how that's really harming their language

development. emma, do you think it's development. emma, do you think wsfime development. emma, do you think it's time for an actual ban on children using these devices? >> yes, absolutely. miriam, i can't even i almost can't believe we're having this debate. what more evidence do we need of the damage that smartphones are doing to children and young people? what more evidence do we need? we have spiralling levels of mental health issues amongst young people. we have anxiety, depression, loneliness, obesity, adhd. we even have myopia. opticians are reporting increasing levels of blindness amongst young young people who are damaging their eyesight by staring at screens from, as you say, toddlers to young children to teenagers. we should absolutely have a ban. the lack of social interaction, the lack of, you know, a range of different colours, the lack of outdoor play, of exercise, i cannot imagine. i hope we will look back on this time and hang

our heads in shame, because really, the murky online world of the internet is no place for children to be. and you know what? if the internet was an actual physical space filled with all sorts of unpleasant people grooming, pornography, bullying, social media, you would not let your young children play there unrestricted, would you? and yet , unrestricted, would you? and yet, children and young children are being given tablets and phones. >> alan stephens, can you respond to that? pretty powerful, pretty powerful case again. >> remember there. >> remember there. >> isn't it? i thought it was very compelling. >> well, i mean, i do agree with some of the things that emma says, but i don't agree with the solution. i think what we have, we have to recognise smartphones are out there and they exist and they can do a lot of good. i think it's the content. i think what we should be looking at is restricting the content, looking at the social media companies, looking at content providers to make sure that they restrict what's available. the online safety act is going to do some work in that direction. i don't

agree with taking away people's devices because teenagers being what they are, it's part of their job what they are, it's part of theirjob description what they are, it's part of their job description to find ways around things like that. so they're going to get hold of these things anyway. i think the important thing is to restrict the content and make sure that social media companies take full responsibility. >> for it. but alan, doesn't this genie out of the bottle argument, which a lot of people use, doesn't it completely underestimate the scale of the damage being done to children? and i think one of the problems is that we as adults have our instagram feeds, we have our twitter feeds, and we might be showing pictures of cats or national trust adverts. but what children are seeing is entirely different. if you sign up to snapchat, put a child's photo up there, say you're a 13 year old boy or girl, you will be sent the most horrific, the most violent, the most sexually depraved content content that no child can deal with. and the problem with relying on the tech companies to get rid of this content is a there's nothing in it for them. our children are the product. that's how they're making money. and b you then risk restrictions and free speech restrictions on adults. isn't it just better to say, like we do with drugs and alcohol and sex and driving? this is not suitable for

children? >> well, you could say that and i agree it isn't suitable for children. and again you put a compelling case to. but i would still argue i mean the online safety act does take. >> the online safety act is going to do hardly anything. >> well, it's going to do something we don't know yet because it's not the it's not. >> it's not even written in ofcom have already watered it down. >> however, i would argue, i mean my, my daughter had a smartphone because i'd like to know where she was, if nothing else, i could keep an eye on her and so on. but i think a lot of children do interact on smartphones. i know certainly in my family, they interact with their friends in different countries on smartphones. there are very good uses of smartphones. and i think to just take away the device is not actually. >> attacking alan. they don't talk to each other, they talk to they do everything by phone, by text, by email. why can't they talk to each other? >> well. >> well. >> our conversation is gone. >> our conversation is gone. >> a lot of that is down to parents, us as parents to do things with our kids to show them. and a lot of it is about education to using these phones properly, using them sensibly and using them safely. >> emma, do you think adults are good role models to children

when it comes to this? >> well, i can i can answer that. i mean, we're all addicted, right? we are all addicted, right? we are all addicted to it. we're on our phones the entire time. it's awful. children have the rest of their lives to spend staring at screens. i hate the fact that i am completely, you know, at a loss without a phone in my hand. i hate that i don't want that for my four year old. what do you choose for your child? do you choose for your child? do you choose for your child? do you choose fresh air, outdoor play? exercise, playgrounds, libraries, books, reading? or do you choose that online murky world that i was talking about? it's absolutely. and as for saying the tech companies can't put controls on these things, they can't. they can do it if they can't. they can do it if they want to. there are plenty of businesses and companies where they where you can't. when you're on your work phone, you can't access certain sites, you know, financial regulation, all of that kind of thing. there's plenty of ways they can do that. i actually bought a brick phone the other day, a barbie phone, which i've been playing with. you know, you can be offline. so yes, if children desperately need to be in touch with their we were teenagers, we were young people. we didn't have phones. we got home, we got to school, we got on buses. we got on trains. we didn't die. this

irony that we're not even allowed to let our young children go and play outdoors because it's so dangerous. and yet they have tablets and they're online from the age of three, 4 or 5. it's so damaging. it's akin to child abuse, actually letting your child into this space and letting them become smartphone addiction is a real thing. it's really damaging children. and why is why. >> alan, doesn't this also? i mean, that's a strong charge. again from emma woolf child child former child abuse. but doesn't it also about lazy parents? >> no, i'd agree. >> no, i'd agree. >> with that. >> with that. >> and parents, it. >> and parents, it. >> means parents aren't doing the stuff with their kids that they should be because they've got the phone. >> absolutely agree with that. we as parents, we have a responsibility to do things with our children, to go out, to take take them various places and do things with them and spend time with them in the evenings and restrict them from using phones after a certain hour in their rooms, for example. i agree with all of that, but i don't think taking away a device is the solution. >> what age would you. what age would you give a smartphone? at

what age child would you give a smartphone to? >> my daughter had one from the age of 14, but i'm not sure. >> you'd have. you'd have no limit at all. so you could have one at nine. >> i wouldn't, i wouldn't say there's no limit at all. i think you look at the way in which phones are being used, what i would do with a younger child, i'd say they've got very restrictive access to things. it's not the smartphone, it's the access of things through it. so i'd have very few apps control what was on there. but it's not the device, it's the way it's being used. >> well, alan, i'm afraid that's all we've got time for. >> but thank. >> but thank. >> you so much forjoining us. i think it's both because smartphones themselves, the features and the fact that there's a browser on it that's part of what makes it addictive. but there are other alternatives out there that aren't just a brick phone. there's something called a balanced phone, which has whatsapp music, train tickets, but you can't doomscroll you can't get social media apps. i think that'd be good.i media apps. i think that'd be good. i might get one. >> right. okay. up next, 4 million households face council tax rises up to five times the legal limit from april. this is because the government's changed the rules. but first, if you're in search of some winter sun,

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>> it's 10 to 11. you're watching britain's newsroom on gb news. >> labour and bradford councils asked the government for permission to raise the council tax by as much as a whopping 15%. >> while the current maximum allowed is just below 5% a year. but the council argues that they need to need the rise to plug a financial black hole. we've heard that term before. >> certainly have, and the government say they'll put taxpayers at the forefront of any decisions on tax rises, which will be ultimately taken, i think, by angela rayner, who is the local government secretary. let's talk to the tory group leader at bradford council, who is councillor rebecca poulson. councillor poulson, 15%. that's a huge increase. can your householders, your residents, can they afford it? >> hi. morning. yeah. i mean i have to say residents and councillors across bradford are absolutely in shock over this. we had no idea it was even being considered. we didn't know that the leader of the council had already written to angela rayner requesting this until about a week ago. you know, bradford

people are up in arms about this. were astounded, and people are really going to struggle to pay are really going to struggle to pay for this increase. >> what do they say they need it for? >> well, basically it's to fill a black hole that through the failings of the labour run council, they have made so many bad mistakes. you may remember there's a history with children's services in bradford that was removed from them back in 2023 because of mismanagement of the service where children were at risk, and that has cost literally hundreds of millions of pounds to set up a separate trust to run children's services, all through poor decisions made by the leadership. and sadly, the leadership. and sadly, the leadership are taking no responsibility. they are causing these financial difficulties for residents across the district. >> now, bradford's not the only council that's applying for these extortionate council tax rises, and some of the other

councils are blaming things like the rising cost of adult social care, which certainly has hit all councils with considerable costs over recent years. is that one of the reasons that bradford is giving, or is it really just to fill historic debts? >> the labour leadership, leadership of the council are obviously saying it's nothing to do with them. yes, there are clear financial pressures in social care for adults and children that all councils are feeling. but when in 2021, your finance team are saying that the council was in a strong financial position and suddenly now we're asking for hundreds of millions of pounds to borrow to fill gaps. and now, on top of that, wanting to put council tax up that, wanting to put council tax ”p by that, wanting to put council tax up by nearly 15%, we have suddenly spiralled into a dreadful situation for residents. and on top of that, the council are selling off assets. we're having services cut. you know, recently we've

had parents up in arms because the council want to cut school buses to some schools across the district, which is going to lead to more congestion, impact on the environment, etc. so a lot of these decisions are putting forward just haven't been thought through about other impacts that they will have. and there's a complete lack of consultation with residents over this. we only found out about this. we only found out about this just over a week ago. there's no time to consult with people. there's no referendum on this. anything over sort of 4.99 should go to referendum. but we're in the hands of angela rayner now, so it's not really a great place to be, i'm afraid. >> no, it certainly isn't. it's astonishing, councillor, that they they didn't even put it up for debate before they wrote to the secretary of state. >> no. absolutely shocking. and the budget's been out to the pubuc the budget's been out to the public since the end of last year for their views on it, but obviously their views on this are not wanted. >> well, we're going to have to leave it there. but councillor

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>> well. >> well. >> 11 am. on tuesday the 28th of january. live across the uk. this is britain's newsroom with andrew pierce and miriam cates. >> and we've got some breaking news. the uk's population is set to rise to 72.5 million by mid 2032. and this is driven almost entirely by net migration. isn't britain already bursting at the

seams? >> net migration is soaring by nearly 5 million by 2032. but will sir keir starmer set a cap? and if not, why not? >> and in a britain's newsroom exclusive, a former government scientist has blasted labour's net zero plans as a fantasy. and he's written to the energy secretary, ed miliband, to say so. take a listen. >> my criticism is isn't doing it. it's the fact that it's all going to be done in five years time. this is an artificial deadune time. this is an artificial deadline that has not been discussed or agreed with the civil engineering companies who are going to have to do it. >> two tier policing claims have been dismissed as right wing, and plans to revive non—crime hate incidents, but ministers have distanced themselves from this leaked home office review. >> writing for fun, new research gets to the bottom of how teenagers found themselves caught up in those summer riots after southport, and it was

nothing to do with online misinformation. >> donald trump says the rise of deepseek are cheaper chinese rival of chatgpt must be monitored closely. >> the release of deepseek ai >> the release of deepseek a! from a chinese company should be a wake up call for our industries that we need to be laser focused on competing to win. >> and police in sheffield were involved in a high speed blue light chase of a shoplifter who evaded them in a wheelchair and they failed to stop her twice. >> you see the point about the population? it's not just the population. we have grown by 5 million. it's 10 million predicted to come in between 2022 and 2032, 10 million.

putting it crudely, 10 million foreigners coming in. 5 million are supposed to leave. a lot of those will be british people who just can't stand it. and if you're already thinking this country doesn't feel english, british, welsh, scottish, northern ireland, it's going to make it even much worse. >> and the problem with this kind of population increase a it being so rapid and b it being all adults is it's just not sustainable. natural population increase where you have more children than people dying. you know, they gradually work themselves through the system. you've got enough people paying tax to support people on pension. this is completely different. but of course it does completely depend on the visa rules staying the same. surely the government will have to act off the. >> back of these. if they don't, they'll pay a political price for it. a heavy one will make certain of that. let us know what you think. send your views. post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay. first, the headunes gbnews.com/yoursay. first, the headlines with sophia wenzler. >> andrew. miriam. thank you. it's just gone 11:00. these are your headlines. police should record more non—crime hate

incidents. according to a leaked home office report, despite earlier orders to stop over fears over the impact on free speech. the counter—extremism report dismisses claims of two tier policing as a right wing extremist narrative. the review, ordered by the home secretary, goes on to say that grooming gangs are alleged problems frequently exploited by the far right. meanwhile, shadow business secretary andrew griffith told gb news the report's conclusion is disturbing. >> the home secretary needs to pubush >> the home secretary needs to publish this immediately so that we can all see for ourselves what and who it is that's saying these non—crime hate incidents, these non—crime hate incidents, these attacks and waste of police resources, something a conservative home secretary stopped. and there's clearly a cell within the home office that is not concerned about ordinary crime, ordinary policing in favour of this ideological approach to non—crime hate incidents. they're wrong. that's not where we should be putting our police resources. and the home secretary needs to come to

parliament today, publish this report and explain who it is that keeps coming up with this idea. >> sir keir starmer has responded, saying when it comes to extremism, it's important to focus resources on threats faced by the uk. >> i think when it comes to extremism, it's very important that we are focused on the threat so we can deploy our resources properly and therefore we're looking carefully at where the key challenges are. obviously, that's now informed with what i said last week in the aftermath of the southport murders, where we've got the additional challenge, i think, of a sort of cohort of loners who are extreme and they need to be factored in. so that's the focus. in the end, what this comes down to is safety and security of people across the united kingdom. and that's my number one focus. >> meanwhile, teens who participated in the summer riots were primarily driven by curiosity and the thrill of the

moment, according to new research. the children's commissioner said the involvement of some children was spontaneous and unconsidered, and had less to do with online misinformation or far right ideology. violence broke out across the country in the days and weeks following the murders of three children at a taylor swift themed dance class in southport in july 2020. four in other news, the uk population is set to grow by nearly 5 million in the next decade, and it's almost entirely down to net migration. ons figures project britain's population could reach 72.5 million by mid 2032, up from the latest estimate of 67.6 million. the data, published today assumes a level of long term net international migration of 340,000 a year from mid 2028. the projections also highlight an increasingly ageing population, with the number of people aged over 85 projected to

nearly double to 3.3 million by 2047. now the driver of a 4x4 which crashed into a school in wimbledon killing two children, has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. nuriya sajjad and seuna driving. nuriya sajjad and selina lal died after the collision at the study prep school in south—west london on the 6th of july, 2023. a land rover smashed through a fence and drove into the school as an end of term tea party was being hosted. the met police initially said the driver had suffered an epileptic seizure and would face no criminal charges, but the girl's family said they were unconvinced by the investigation and in october the force said it would reopen its inquiry. and in october the force said it would reopen its inquiry . and would reopen its inquiry. and donald trump has called the rise of chinese company deepseek a wake up call for us tech firms after its artificial intelligence model triggered shockwaves on wall street. deepseek says its model is comparable with those from us

giants like openai, but potentially a fraction of the cost. that has triggered a fall in various us shares, especially chip maker nvidia, which registered a record one day loss for any company on wall street. responding to the news yesterday, the us president said the latest developments in china's ai industry may be a positive for the us. >> the release of deepseek ai >> the release of deepseek a! from a chinese company should be a wake up call for our industries that we need to be laser focused on competing to win. >> those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to andrew and miriam. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com/alerts.

>> hello and welcome back to britain's newsroom with miriam cates and andrew pierce and is 11:08. >> well, what have you been saying on gbnews.com/yoursay? miriam has at her fingertips. >> well, we were talking about this idea to get prisoners to work in iceland instead of going to prison. mel says. harrumph harrumph from andy there. mel says low level prisoners should do the low skilled jobs, unpaid for the duration of their sentence. then we wouldn't need low skilled migrant workers. that's very sensible. >> quite an interesting point. yeah, i'd still just think they should be made to go and work for charities and do stuff in the community, rather than working for iceland, and iceland will not pay them what they pay other staff. so that's cut their costs. that's true. and remember. >> iceland will benefit. >> iceland will benefit. >> from this. they will benefit from this. remember, the new boss of iceland is. he's not a new boss of iceland. he's now a labour lord, isn't he? >> yes. apparently, having failed, these lords are very useful to. >> get a tory safe tory seat. >> get a tory safe tory seat. >> i know. >> i know. >> he had a hissy fit and took himself off to labour, and he's

now a labour lord. >> but of course, the prisons minister, also a lord, is lord timpson, who's had a lot of success in employing ex—convicts in his his shop. so there's definitely something in this. work experience. it's just whether this is the right model. >> or not. but the penal system has to be about punishment. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> just about rehabilitation. >> just about rehabilitation. >> indeed. and then lots of response to these breaking population figures. peter says halt all immigration. cameron says immigration should be capped at zero until we've sorted out all those who are already here. and padraig says country's got no money. easy fix, stop all benefits, stop hotels for immigrants and halt all foreign aid. job done. >> well, i predict if labour don't do anything about it, the government don't do anything about these immigration figures because so much so the population will rise by 5 million to 72.5 million. but that means 10 million people coming in who will be 10 million foreigners. it's changing the face of this country irrevocably. and not for the good, i'm afraid. >> no. and of course, this is

now been ongoing for the last. well, this kind of level of migration for the last 7 or 8 years at least. and these projections, of course, have been released by the office for national statistics, the ons. and as you said, andrew, it's almost all the population increase is being driven by net migration, actually natural population in terms of births minus deaths is actually going down slightly. well, let's talk to our political editor, christopher hope, who joins us live from westminster. christopher, these are really quite shocking figures, huge numbers. what do you think the government is going to do in response? >> well, quite the answer should be probably a cap on net migration. that's what the tories are calling for today. chris philp, the shadow home secretary, saying it can and must be stopped from materialising. these are projections, not predictions. so the projections based on current government policy rather than predictions by the ons. the

thing with the tory party is they tried and failed for 14 years to control net migration. why should anyone believe them now? and it's now in labour's ballpark. but look at those numbers. 4.9 million increase from 2022 to 2032. the average level 340,000. if you look at just this this parliament 1.75 million arriving here net between now and the election, this government wants to build 1.5 million new homes. the new homes they want to build won't even keep pace with the numbers arriving here. or that more than leaving, because, as andrew says, the figure is twice that for those arriving. because this is a net figure, including those who leave. there's also issues about the ticking time bomb over 80s doubling to 2 to 3.3 million by 2047. the big pressure on space for people to live in is in england increased 7.8%, far more than, say, scotland, 4.4%. a big, big issues, big worries

here for the government. now in the city today, sir keir starmer hasn't yet reacted to this. he did respond today , though, to did respond today, though, to the efforts he's him and rachel reeves are doing to get the economy growing. he's met with ceos in the square mile, and here's what he had to say earlier. >> growth is the number one priority of this government. economic growth, wealth creation, making sure that people are better off. of course, we also have climate commitments. but growth is really important to our agenda. that's why i've had this engagement this morning. >> that's sir keir starmer. he's beenin >> that's sir keir starmer. he's been in bloomberg the financial information company with lloyds bank ceos nationwide, british aerospace, taylor wimpey, tesco. aerospace, taylor wimpey, tesco. a round table meeting to discuss slashing red tape. we are expecting a speech tomorrow from rachel reeves, the chancellor. she will announce new expansion at luton , gatwick and almost at luton, gatwick and almost certainly heathrow. there's also

news today they're going to release the restrictions on how to invest defined benefit pension schemes. money back in the day. back in about 20 years ago, big concerns about these schemes running into deficit. since then there's been a lot of controls. now a lot of trustees take profits and there is money there that can be skimmed off to be invested in infrastructure, maybe £160 billion worth of surplus. venture capitalists are delighted. rachel reeves told leaders today that she wants to fight every single day to tear down the barriers for growth. and just finally, last night, i was at the parliamentary labour party meeting outside, rachel reeves spoke to party backbenchers last night. one single question opposing the plans from ruth cadbury mp, concerned about the heathrow expansion. otherwise the party is with her. but frankly, this growth can't come soon enough given the pressure on resources and services in this country. from these enormous numbers arriving here in the next ten years or so.

>> she's discovered donald trump, chris, hasn't she? suddenly, it's not rachel hangdog reeves. it's all trumpian boosterism, because i think she knows the way they talked down the economy when they got into government. chris has led to a catastrophic fall in consumer and business confidence. apart from the tax rises. >> yeah it did. i mean, 100%, 100%. andrew, we were talking about that budget all through september and october, about the remember all the stories in the newspapers, some of which we talked about on gb news about what was going to happen. caphal what was going to happen. capital. capital gains tax being changed, all sorts of pressure all over the place. and that did damage confidence. they came in with that narrative of finding a £22 billion black hole. that is disputed. some say it's only half that size. but yeah, they have talked down the economy, i think, to give them the political space for that tax raising budget in october. but now the reaction from companies, companies is to say you've added 2% on national insurance and

you've up the cost of hiring people with that minimum wage increase. no wonder the prospects of getting a job now are getting worse, not better, and the economy is stagnating. there's a lot to do, but frankly, we should all wish them well. we need the economy to get better and to grow better. the question is, will this work? >> absolutely. all right, chris, that's chris hope, our political editor in westminster. >> well, time is running out on your chance to become our biggest ever giveaway winner with an incredible £50,000 in your bank account. that's totally tax free cash to spend however you like. make sure you don't miss out. >> there's just three days left to grab your chance to win our biggest cash prize so far. £50,000 in tax free cash. how would you react if you won? >> it's such a nice feeling. >> it's such a nice feeling. >> just go for it. it's one text and if i can win, anyone can win. i was on cloud nine. i'd say don't hesitate. do it. >> for another chance to win £50,000. cash takes cash to 632321. entry cost £2 plus one

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>> hello. it's 11:20. >> hello. it's11:20. you're watching britain's newsroom with miriam cates and andrew pierce. >> the panel back, nigel nelson and our favourite gp, doctor renee hoenderkamp. now working from home. you like it, don't you?! from home. you like it, don't you? i do. you're all in favour of this? ukip. >> i am for the right sort of jobs. >> sorry to drag you into the studio. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you couldn't actually do this. but this from home. and nor could renee work as a gp from home. >> well, i don't know. they do. far too many do. that's the problem. >> the point about this one, which is it's an odd story in the sense that what they're saying is if you work from home, young people are losing out on around about 30 minutes of exercise a day. the argument is, obviously if you go to work, you either cycle there or you walk there or something like that. now, the last time i worked from home was during covid. every evening went out for a proper walk. i mean, just discipline yourself to go and do it. the cats came with us, so they got some exercise. >> oh. >> oh. >> i know there were real nuisance. >> were they on leads?

>> were they on leads? >> no, no, no, they just sort of followed behind us. >> oh, sweet. >> oh, sweet. >> they're coming after you. >> they're coming after you. >> it's really sweet. >> it's really sweet. >> so? so the whole thing is, if you discipline yourself, of course you can do it. i mean, the only disadvantage i found from working from home is i probably worked harder than i would have done had i been in the office, because there was no cut off point at the end of the day. but if you do a job which is, say, a purely sort of clerical job on a computer, does it make any difference whether you do it in the office or do it from home? >> it does. >> it does. >> okay. >> okay. >> so this is a very middle class privilege working from home because the bin collectors, although some of them might be able to work more now from home, can't work from home, or the bus drivers or the train drivers and, you know, say, nigel, if you discipline yourself, we could say that about eating, couldn't we? if people just disciplined themselves and they just wouldn't be an obesity crisis. people don't discipline themselves. that's very human nature. the problem with working from home is it's not just about doing the work and whether you can do it from home. it's about mental health. and as a gp, i see people all of the time who

are isolated and that isolation is destroying their mental health. going to work gives you social connections and social connections. connections is what people need. we have a mental health crisis, so walking to work is great because people don't discipline themselves and don't discipline themselves and don't exercise. meeting people at work is great for mental health, but also people meet their partners at work. >> that's a very. >> that's a very. >> good thing. they really do. i have met every one of my partners at work, and one of them i even married, you know. so there's much more to working than sitting at home. >> what about hybrid? hybrid working then? >> as far as this, i'm much more productive when i work at home. i don't buy into that either, because now when you actually call a company and you speak to somebody at home, you know that you're speaking to them at home because you can hear their fire alarm bleeping or the dog barking in the background. but secondly, when you have a problem that they don't have the answer to, they can't solve it because they can't turn around to miriam at the next desk and say, oh, i've never seen this before. what's the solution?

people learn from people around them. there are so many reasons for people to be in the office, aside from the economic reasons of all of the businesses that survive. >> absolutely right. it's absolutely. >> an argument, though, particularly for mums of young children. i think that there should be an exception, which is that it should be an exception, which is thatitis should be an exception, which is that it is possible, much more possible, to have young children and stay in the workplace if you are able to do at least a little bit of hybrid working. and actually a long, long time ago, women were very economically active at home, whether that's cottage industries, you know, helping with other things and actually being able to be at home. and it's not easy, of course, if you've got children around, but it's much more possible and probably much better for children than being in the office. >> and also that point, miriam, about cottage industries, that if you were if you had more people working from home, what would happen is the coffee shops that are now in big towns and cities would generate to villages. >> no they wouldn't. >> no they wouldn't. >> well, if the business was there, they would. >> walk to their kitchens and make their coffee. they're not going to go down the road and

pay going to go down the road and pay £3. >> they will if they take some exercise and go for a walk. >> that just hasn't happened. it didn't happen in covid. it hasn't happened after covid. businesses have gone wrong. this is all theoretical claptrap, nigel. i'm sorry. >> okay, well. >> okay, well. >> i have actually done that, you know, spent a day working from home doing email and writing articles and deliberately walked to the costa. >> you know, the village. >> you know, the village. >> and come back. >> and come back. >> and come back. >> and you've got a costa in your village. >> well, it's like one of these, you know. no, it's like a machine in the co—op. but but then we've also got a cafe that actually sprung up in covid and had done amazing. that's the only thing you were allowed to do was take away coffee. >> i would say that's unusual because the little local shops near me closed. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> that's the problem. >> that's the problem. >> dry cleaners, people like that. it's not even a. >> cafe. >> cafe. >> coffee. >> coffee. >> sandwich bars. >> sandwich bars. >> hollowed out high streets and things. >> like that. yeah. look at the death of the high street that a lot of that night is because people are working from home. >> no, a lot of that is to do with the fact that you've got big shopping centres outside and people driving. and the

internet, so you've lost the high street where you would go there and shop previously. >> well. >> well. >> shall we move on? >> shall we move on? >> i think we should. now, how often do you put your rubbish out? nigel. >> well, we've got a weekly bin collections, i'm glad to say. unfortunately. >> don't say it too loud. >> don't say it too loud. >> because in bristol. yes, they're talking about taking the black bin collection down to once a month. partly to save money, partly to increase recycling. and you've also got a number of councils which are asking for an increase in council tax above the 4.99. >> we just talked we just talked to the bradley, the tory leader in bradford, where they want a 15% rise. that's right. without discussing it in the council, they just wrote to angela rayner and said this is what. >> we want and how they get around. it is you're meant to have a referendum. if the council tax is meant is to go up over 5%. yeah, you get round it. if you ask for government support, you can get the secretary of state to sign this off for you. so there is a sort off for you. so there is a sort of back door to getting extra money. >> but people watch this thinking once a month, is that going to happen? now this is a green run council. >> and the argument is that it

would increase recycling. so all you're doing is i'm not defending this. >> no. >> no. >> i know, but i think that i mean, basically local councils are about the three p's and it's parking, potholes and planning and bin collection to that. it was the extra b. yeah. and that's what councils are meant to do. that's what we all care about. >> i think this is a disgusting idea. i think it's disgusting. foxes are already rampaging through our towns and cities in bags. >> disgusting. i think it's one of the fundamental services that we pay our council tax to have. i'm lucky i have weekly still in london, but that will change. i mean, i live in a conservation area where we're not allowed to have fences. we have to have hedges. you probably know where that is. it's not too far from you. and two years ago, they decided that they would no longer collect tail garden waste unless we paid for it. and yet i have no choice but to generate it. so i think people are actually so tired now of paying more and more and more for ever decreasing services. but at the same time, the council have more and more staff with bigger salaries and bigger pensions, and that's all the money is

going to. we need to rip apart local councils. we need to take away everything they do. forget the rainbow roundabouts and the rainbow crossings and everything else. we need them to supply infrastructure, roads that work, bin collections that work, local education services and health services. >> that's being planned at the moment. i mean, everyone's complaining about the fact that there may not be local elections in certain places. >> which is an outrage. >> which is an outrage. >> it's only an outrage if you're going to get a scrap of council, there's no point electing councillors to it. it rather depends how long it will take to go and do that. but the idea being that where you've got a load of district councils, you have fewer unitary authorities and they do everything at the moment you've got services being duplicated between county, district, borough, that kind of thing. so if you can actually refine this down, i agree. i agree with renee there. what it needs is, is local authority reform it's happening. >> but i don't believe for a second that that reorganisation is going to get rid of one job or get rid of any duplication at

all. it would just be shuffling of the. >> it will be fewer councils. so it will do. >> it won't. it'sjust it will do. >> it won't. it's just like when they reorganise gp services, they're still different levels that go in. they just have different names. they all have massive back offices. it's this inefficiency, inefficiency of government run things, and we need to get back to basics and let them just do the basics. >> yeah, reorganisation is always so expensive as well, nigel, and bureaucratic. and you've just said they don't know how long it's going to take. >> no, that's what i mean. when it comes down to elections, there's no point having an election. this is what district councillors tell me as well. the ones who might who might be abolished in my area. >> well, they don't want to lose their seat. >> well, well, the point they're making is that there's no point having an election if they're only going to be there for a few months after. >> it could. >> it could. >> be nine months, could be several years. that's a different matter. >> but back to the bin collections, though. isn't the dangerin collections, though. isn't the danger in bristol that rubbish will spill onto the streets or people will take it to the. >> tip dumping. >> tip dumping. >> it, or they'll dump it into the tip. council pays for that too. and then you've got the fact that recycling is a

complete mess in this country. because yes, in theory we sort our rubbish, but lots of councils just incinerate it because there isn't any coordination of where you have. >> that is labour's point in bristol. that's exactly what they're saying because they're also against this. >> people will just be so fed up with the foxes, they're just going to take it back and they're going to put it in the bin in the street, which will be overflowing, which is unsightly, andifs overflowing, which is unsightly, and it's unhealthy. this is unhealthy. >> i mean. >> i mean. >> this is a hygiene. >> this is a hygiene. >> risk, these are really important. and i do think that weekly bin collection should be the norm, not the exception. >> the greens around brighton once and just you just look at their record there. it was chaos again. >> it's just ideological claptrap. >> it is. >> it is. >> to believe that people will actually produce less waste by having fewer bin collections just for the birds. >> of course, people are not going to cut down literally the birds, the seagulls literally enjoying. >> themselves immensely. >> themselves immensely. >> it's madness. >> it's madness. >> let's just ask you about a poll which we've just seen about smartphones. >> yes. >> yes. >> yes, 75%. >> i think people of all ages say smartphones should be banned. >> they should under. >> they should under. >> 16 seconds. do you agree with that? renee i got.

>> that right. >> that right. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> three quarters, three quarters across all. >> ages and all political parties. >> i find the whole smartphone situation really interesting. you know, we don't let children smoke because it's bad for them. we don't let them drink alcohol because it's bad for them. we see the data on smartphones now. it is bad for them. it is destroying their mental health. it is destroying their social interactions with people. it is causing adhd diagnoses to go through the roof because they now cannot concentrate for more than 10s because of the dopamine hit. and yet we carry on letting them have it. it's a no brainer. no child should have smartphone. >> what do you think, nigel? >> what do you think, nigel? >> i think it's very difficult to enforce. >> i don't like banning, but i'm actually in favour. >> of it, i think, because. because kids now have them to try and take it away now i think would be really difficult. yeah. what i am in favour of. >> doing it in australia. >> doing it in australia. >> i know they do. they just passed. >> it through. social media. >> it through. social media. >> yeah. i mean certainly when it comes down to schools, i think schools and most schools do have policies not to have. >> only 11% of those are effective. that's the fascinating thing. so most

schools say on their website no phone, but only 11% are actually that's an effective ban. because saying we don't want to see your phoneis saying we don't want to see your phone is not the same. as you cannot have it on the premises. if we find it, it will get taken. >> away from us and just. kemi badenoch said she's in favour of it on sunday this weekend. and she also revealed her daughter is 12 or 11, has got a brick phone. interesting. i think this is a vote winner for the tories. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i think it's a vote winner for anyone, but i think we need to explain to parents why it's bad because that's not it's very good to keep saying don't do it, don't do it. you're damaging your children. but we need to explain to them how what parents don't know, for example, is cocomelon, which looks like a really harmless little singalong cartoon for toddlers, has been devised using babies as their their their testers and tracking their their testers and tracking their eye movements to see what keeps their eyes on the screen for longer toddlers sinner algorithms are built to keep them there. we need to explain this to. >> parents exactly, and you've got to ask, why are these apps free? because the child is the product. the child is what the tech companies are making money

off. but you're right, at the moment you can look up, you know, your health visitor. the hospital gp's education will tell you about the dangers of peanuts, the dangers of grapes that aren't cut up. but there's no information about the danger that your child is going to get from a screen. and why is that? >> do you know children? teenagers have never had more connections in the world than they have right now, and they've never been lonelier. >> yeah, fascinating isn't it? i think it could be coming. >> yeah. and the trouble is that government is actually lags behind. yes. technology has been the real problem. the online safety bill. how long have we been trying to get. >> oh, god. seven years. >> oh, god. seven years. >> yeah. and every time it comes up, it's out of date. yeah. >> that's the trouble. yeah. >> that's the trouble. yeah. >> i do find it quite fascinating that when i say my daughter will not have a smartphone until she's 18, i get smartphone until she's18, i get attacked online to be told that i'm going to make her life a misery and she'll be bullied. and i'm like, well, should you not be looking at the people who are going to do that to her? >> yes, quite what the. >> yes, quite what the. >> bullies are saying that so many are children are saying we wish we hadn't been given one.

yeah, we wish they'd been more restrictions. so even they aren't enjoying it. >> fascinating. with you too. we need to go to the headlines, david sophia wenzler. >> andrew. miriam. thank you. your headlines at 1133. police should record more non—crime hate incidents. according to a leaked home office report, despite earlier orders to stop over fears over the impact on free speech, the counter—extremism report dismisses claims of two tier policing as a right wing extremist narrative. the review, ordered by the home secretary, goes on to say that grooming gangs are alleged problems frequently exploited by the far right. sir keir starmer has responded, saying when it comes to extremism, it's important to focus resources on the threats faced by the uk. >> i think when it comes to extremism, it's very important that we are focused on the threat so we can deploy our resources properly and therefore we're looking carefully at where the key challenges are. obviously, that's now informed

with what i said last week in the aftermath of the southport murders, where we've got the additional challenge, i think, of a sort of cohort of loners who are extreme and they need to be factored in. so that's the focus. in the end, what this comes down to is safety and security of people across the united kingdom. and that's my number one focus. >> the uk population is set to grow by nearly 5 million in the next decade, and it's almost entirely down to net migration. ons figures project britain's population could reach 72.5 million by mid 2032, up from the latest estimate of 67.6 million. the data, published today assumes a level of long term net international migration of 340,000 a year. the projections also highlight an increasingly ageing population, with the number of people aged over 85 projected to nearly double to

3.3 million by 2047. now the driver of a 4x4 which crashed into a school in wimbledon killing two children, has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. 48 year old claire freemantle previously expressed her deepest sorrow and said she had no recollection of what took place after the deaths of nuriyah sajjad and selina lao in wimbledon on the 6th of july 2023. the met police initially said the driver had suffered an epileptic seizure and would face no criminal charges, but the girl's family said they were unconvinced the investigation had been carried out thoroughly and in october the force said it would reopen its inquiry. wyn evansis would reopen its inquiry. wyn evans is set to be axed from the strictly come dancing live tour, following his crude remark to janette manrara. that's according to reports in the sun newspaper. it follows his apology after being caught on camera joking about having a threesome with a professional dancer during the tour launch

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>> welcome back. well up at noon we've got good afternoon britain with tom and nana. hello both of you. hello, hello, hello. >> great to see you. nana. >> great to see you. nana. >> thank you very much. i've never done this one before. >> no. you're usually sitting over there on a friday, and now we've sort of all swapped places. but there's the name of the game. >> to know is tom doesn't share his jammie dodgers. >> does he not? no. andrew gets a jammy dodger every single day. this is. this is. yeah. no. so we turn to the programme. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> of course, at 1230 in the house of commons, the shadow home secretary, chris philp, will be making an urgent question of the government, not only on the failures of the home office and this weird response to their reports, but also touching on this population explosion too. so we will have the shadow home secretary, chris philp, on the show to talk mainly about this population explosion. can anything be done to avert it, and who's to blame?

is it the current government? is it the last government or are they all in this together? >> amazing. 10 million coming in. that is an extraordinary. >> well, it was predicted by thomas malthus many years ago, didn't he? he said that about population that if it wasn't, if people didn't die through deaths and disease and war, that there would be an explosion in population. obviously that again, with net zero, that's. >> what he was talking about. global population and actually global population is going to peak very soon and then collapse because birth rates across the world are collapsing. but this is more about actual choice to import people when there isn't. >> they've got to change. they've got to they're going to have to change the visa rules. simple as that. this is an unsustainable increase. >> but trump has done it, hasn't he? he's ready. i mean, i don't see what the problem is. and the other issue is the litigious nature of everything. so if you are meant to go back, then you could have appeal after appeal after appeal. we're paying for it. i don't think so. you want to stay, you fail your appeal. pay for it yourself. >> there's some really big questions to have. the government, of course, because they haven't announced anything further. of course, the previous

government in the last few months in office changed some of these rules around dependence that has brought down net migration. this year is likely to bring it down next year. but actually, these projections show that it won't bring it down by the sort of degrees that perhaps people are expecting. we're also going to touch on this a i peculiarity over in the united states, suddenly, the most downloaded app in the app store in the united states is a chinese ai in the united states is a chinese a! company that we all know , openai and the googles and know, openai and the googles and the metas of this world. they've spent billions of dollars, some cases, tens of billions of dollars, developing their a! systems. now a chinese company comes along with the state of the art . one apparently has done the art. one apparently has done it for $5 million. is this the sputnik moment when we'll all remember? well, we won't all remember. it happened in 1957. but, but, but we will all have learnt about how sputnik, the first satellite, got into orbit, and it shocked the americans because the russians were ahead in the space race. have the chinese just jumped ahead in the ai race? and how might the rest of the world respond? >> they've been very secretive

as well, the way that suddenly just appeared and suddenly number one. >> right. still to come. more on that home office dossier that revealed plans to revive non—crime hate it was leaked to the think the policy exchange.

>> welcome back. it's 1143. you're watching britain's newsroom. and as we've been reporting this morning, a leaked home office report shows that police have been advised to ramp up recording non—crime hate incidents despite public orders to stop over free speech concerns. >> the review was ordered by the home secretary, yvette cooper, after the southport riots and in it, claims of two tier policing are dismissed as a right wing extremist narrative. this morning the prime minister had this to say. >> when it comes to extremism, it's very important that we are focused on the threat so we can deploy our resources properly and therefore we're looking carefully at where the key challenges are. obviously,

that's now informed with what i said last week in the aftermath of the southport murders, where we've got the additional challenge, i think, of a sort of cohort of loners who are extreme and they need to be factored in. so that's the focus. in the end, what this comes down to is safety and security of people across the united kingdom. and that's my number one focus. >> well, this report was leaked to the think tank policy exchange. and we've got here in the studio, senior fellow at the policy exchange, andrew gilligan, thank you for joining us, andrew. can you just summarise for us the main points in this report that civil servants have written for the government. >> so it's talked about moving away from an ideology based approach to extremism to a behaviour based approach. and it lists this massive range, this huge constellation of behaviours which it says are extremist. so misogyny, as you said, talking about two tier policing, violence against women as well

as the traditional islamism, far right threats. now, none of this is to say that like, you know, violence against women is right or we shouldn't be doing something about it. but clearly it's not the same as extremism. and the risk of this massive, great smorgasbord of things being defined as extremism is that the already very overstretched police counter—terror operations and the counter extremism practitioners at local level, they just get completely swamped with new cases, and they're even more likely to miss the really bad ones. >> there's some otherjaw >> there's some other jaw dropping things in there, andrew, where it talks about the alleged grooming gangs. what have they not? where have they been? >> well, i think one of the most interesting things about this is the mentality it reveals in the home office, the people who wrote it. so they talk about they, as i say, they talk about two tier allegations of two tier policing being an example of far right extremism, that that's clearly untrue. we know. i mean, you know, we know that for a fact that there have been two tier policing in this country. what was the grooming scandal, if not two tier policing? the

police would have would have behaved differently if the perpetrators had been white or the victims had been middle class. >> and we've seen it with the demonstrations, the marches and protests. >> that's more contested. but nonetheless, you know, there's undeniable examples of two tier policing in this country. it cannot possibly be condemned as far right to say that. and then you've got, you know, at one point it talks about the far right exploiting issues about the distribution of resources and asylum seeker, quote unquote, hotels. but, you know, they are in hotels, 35,000 asylum seekers. the last time we had the figures were living in hotels. >> now, some of the problems that the report identifies are real threats. as you said, these growing number of particularly young men in their bedrooms getting addicted to extreme violence, perhaps carrying that out. but it's really important, isn't it, to separate that which isn't it, to separate that which is crime. of course, it must be tackled from terrorism, which is a very specific threat. what are the kind of features of terrorism that police or counter—terrorism units need to be so careful to focus on? >> so terrorism and extremism, properly defined, are not defined by this report. but properly defined is an

intentional threat to the security of the country or to the democratic institutions and values of the country. so what a terrorist aims to do. the man who killed david amess mp, for instance. he killed him because of his vote on syria and islamist terrorists. and that is clearly an attempt to interfere with the democratic process in the country to make mps frightened if they vote a particular way, they will be put to death. and that's the difference between what that and say some some other examples of violence which are equally horrible, equally terrible for the people involved, traumatic for the country, but aren't extremism. so i think one of the key reasons this went so badly off track was southport. and i think they i mean, you see the prime minister trying to claim that southport was somehow kind of terrorism, extremism. i don't agree with that. i think this is agree with that. i think this is a guy who didn't have any particular ideology. he didn't have any evidence. he did. anyway, we may find more as the months and years go on, but at the moment we see no, not much evidence. he wasn't convicted on terrorism charges. he was

convicted on ordinary criminal charges. and what we need actually is, is a is a mechanism to, you know, deal with people like that without having to brand them extremists. so, you know, what went wrong in southport wasn't a policy failure. it was an operational failing. you know, this guy was plainly dangerous. he'd come to the attention of the authorities many times over the previous several years, but they did nothing. so what we need is a kind of non extremism version of prevent. >> andrew i'm really sorry. we're going to have to go. absolutely fascinating discussion. >> this one as i say in the trade it's going to run and run. it is massive. >> we'll be covering it again. >> we'll be covering it again. >> yeah plenty more to come. of course if you're in search of some summer sun here's a forecast. some of our top european holiday destinations. >> you're looking happy. >> you're looking happy. >> well, the forecast looks good. >> so you've sorted the travel insurance then. >> allclear travel insurance sponsors gb news travel destinations forecast. >> another weather system pushing into parts of western europe will bring some further heavy rain and strong winds as we go through tomorrow across parts of western france and much

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>> well @gbnews we'd love to hear what you think. every day we run our poll of the day and today we're asking. >> are you worried about the rise of chinese government backed ai? we'll bring you the live results throughout the day, so make sure to stay tuned. >> and for all our latest polls, news and how to vote, just go to gbnews.com/poll. and let's see what you've been saying about the topics that we've been discussing today. and the phone

ban for under 16 has just been some polling out, published in the telegraph today, saying three quarters of adults in this country support it. adele says most kids phone among contracts paid by parents. do we believe that the mobile companies will allow us to cancel all these without a fee? also, both high schools and even primary schools set all their homework via apps on smartphones. the problem isn't the phone, it's the contents. it's absolutely. >> part of the problem. i'm afraid the phones have become an integral part of the school. >> am i tenure? my youngest has to borrow my phone to do his homework. that's not right. know. >> that's not right. and it's because it suits teachers in some way. what's gone wrong with exercise books? >> well, and you can see why schools are kind of jumping on this. they think it's the next best thing. there's no evidence that kids learn better on a screen. in fact, there's increasing evidence that you don't absorb information as well from a screen as you do from papen >> yeah, well. >> yeah, well. >> surely something will be done soon. >> and it's good to actually hear that. kemi badenoch the tories have got an idea.

>> i. >> i. >> well, you know. >> well, you know. >> absolutely. andrew. >> absolutely. andrew. >> they've been in the wilderness, aren't they? >> right. that's all from us. >> right. that's all from us. >> see you tomorrow. >> see you tomorrow. >> heavy showers first thing will be followed by a warm, cosy day. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. coming to you from the met office. this is your latest gb news weather update. there will be plenty of showers around today and some of these could be thundery with the risk of some hail. and we also need to watch out for some strong winds, especially across southern coastal parts. although the winds will be easing as we go through the day. like i said, there's some hefty showers to watch out for, particularly across parts of wales. some significant rain pushing in here could be some flooding as a result, and also across parts of the south—west, even elsewhere. some showery outbreaks here and there, but also something a bit dnen there, but also something a bit drier, perhaps brighter, across perhaps parts of southern scotland. temperatures are going to be near normal for the time of year, but with some blustery weather, particularly towards the south, it's going to feel a

bit colder than these may suggest. now, as we head through this evening and overnight, we are going to start to see those showers easing. but nonetheless, there will be plenty of showers as we go through the end of the day across northern scotland in particular. and some of these will be falling as sleet or snow over the higher ground. also across northern ireland. plenty of showers for the time being to something a bit drier though. across parts of northern england some clear spells to start the night. a cloudier story and a wetter story though for more central and southern parts of england and into wales. that being said, the showers are gradually going to ease for many of us as we go overnight, with some clear skies developing here and there. the showers, though continuing for the far north of northern ireland and northern scotland, so staying pretty wet here. otherwise, where we see the clear skies, temperatures are going to take a bit of a drop low single figures, perhaps a touch of frost in rural spots, maybe the odd icy patch and some mist and fog patches developing as well. fryston fog patches should clear as we go through the morning, and then we kind of have three zones of weather on wednesday. some further showery

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>> good afternoon britain. it's 12:00 on tuesday the 28th of january. i'm tom harwood. >> and i'm nana akua. >> and i'm nana akua. >> well, shocking new data from the ons reveals the uk population is set to rise to 72.5 million by 2032, driven almost entirely by net migration. that's a 5 million person increase in the next

decade. >> two tier policing claims dismissed as right wing and plans to revive widespread deployment of non—crime hate incidents, will have all the details from a leaked home office review. >> and panic across western tech markets as chinese ai >> and panic across western tech markets as chinese a! company develops the most downloaded app in america. state of the art deepseek has been produced for a fraction of the cost of american companies, and donald trump has raised the alarm bell. >> the release of deepseek ai >> the release of deepseek a! from a chinese company should be a wake up call for our industries that we need to be laser focused on competing to win. >> why are we seeing a decline in traditional british pie and mash shops in the capital?

>> well, it's a busy day