minister boris johnson has prime minister boris johnson has exclusively told gb news now is the time to double down on brexit and take advantage of our freedoms. from al to gene editing and financial services. he goes on to say we need a government that really believes in brexit, and we need the british ruling class finally to match the bravery and imagination of the 17.4 million people who voted to leave. for supporters, the uk became a sovereign nation in charge of its own destiny. opponents believe it's isolated the country and damaged the economy. a tireless campaigner for brexit was reform ukip leader nigel farage. here he is celebrating five years ago today. mr farage is holding a reform party conference in kemi badenoch constituency. he told martin daubney although it was the right thing to do, we haven't grasped the opportunities that could have come with it. >> there are so many things that we stayed aligned to, including most of their rule book. now, clearly what keir starmer wants to do is in terms of, of defence

and perhaps even foreign policy, tie us closer to the european union. from the sounds of it, he wants us to start mirroring the single market rulebook. i mean, none of that is good. but is keir starmer going to take us back into the european union? no, he is not. so i just see this now as being unfinished business. you're quite right. starmer was an uber remainer, a rejoiner wanted to have a second referendum. the tories, from what i can see now, never really believed in it. so reform are the only people who can finish the only people who can finish the job. >> despite the economic disadvantages. conservative leader kemi badenoch is remaining positive. >> five years ago we had what was the greatest vote of confidence in our country . and confidence in our country. and as brexit secretary i lots of eu regulations, i ended the supremacy of the european court of justice, but there's still a lot more to do, like a trade deal with the us. that's a brexit opportunity that we need to take. we started those negotiations when president trump was last in power. he is

back again. the biden administration didn't want it, i think. keir starmer needs to look at that. look at where the opportunities are. that's where the growth is going to be. >> in other news, three judges who oversaw court proceedings involving sara sharif in the years before she was murdered have been named for the first time judge alison rayside, judge peter nathan and judge sally williams were all involved in family court hearings related to the ten year old. between 2013 and 2019. the last of three sets of proceedings saw sarah placed in the home of her father, irfan shanf in the home of her father, irfan sharif, and her stepmother, benazir bhutto, who were jailed for life in december for her murder in 2023. tests are being carried out on the black boxes recovered from a passenger plane, which collided with a us army helicopter yesterday, killing 67 people. officials in washington say they're going to attempt to salvage the wreckage of both aircrafts today. 40 bodies have now been found in 27 people unaccounted for. an investigation by the new york

times claims the helicopter flew outside an approved flight path, and there were staffing irregularities in air traffic control at reagan national airport, with one controller reportedly juggling two jobs. planes and helicopters at the same time. posting on his truth social platform, us president donald trump said the blackhawk helicopter was flying too high by a lot. and if you're thinking about stocking up your wine cellar, then get on with it, because prices are rising from tomorrow. alcohol tax itself will rise in line with the retail price index at 3.6%. but a new tax on wines and spirits based on strength comes in at the same time. now this means the same time. now this means the duty on a bottle of gin will rise by £0.32 and wine is to increase by £0.54. and those are the latest gb news headlines for now. more news from me in an houn >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign

up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com/alerts. >> welcome to lee anderson's real world. i'm lee anderson. the reform uk member of parliament for ashfield. and joining me on the show tonight, we've got journalist and author emma woolf. thank you for coming back on. and we've got a new guest on, on the on the show tonight is our left in the corner. it's lloyd russell—moyle and he is a famous former labour mp remembered for this little shenanigans in parliament just a few years ago. have a look at this. >> i think, david, debate to be resumed. what they said. put it back. no no no no no. order. >> thanks, lloyd, for coming on the show. all right. we saw this week if you could stay awake

long enough. we had the speech this week from rachel reeves about growth, about the economy, about growth, about the economy, about how we're going to turn things around and invest in this country. emma, did you stay awake through the speech? >> i stayed awake, but honestly, lee, if this is rachel reeves plan to kick start the economy, if this is her big growth plan, i think we should all just be in total despair. none of this is going to happen. i don't actually think it will ever happen. it's been talked about for what, 20, 25 years? this third runway at heathrow. it would involve all sorts. there'll be climate protests, there'll be legal challenges. there'll be. i think you have to dig a tunnel over the m25 or a bndge dig a tunnel over the m25 or a bridge over the m25. there will be all sorts of engineering chaos. any big infrastructure project in this country is beset by all that. >> i suspect, lloyd, that ed miliband was spitting his bacon sandwich out at at this announcement this week. >> well, the announcements, i think, had much more than just

the airport in them. but on the airport announcement, if we are to properly move to sustainable aviation, which of course is not helped by the closure of grangemouth that the tories allowed to happen. but when we get that back up and running we have proper sustainable aviation fuel. actually, aviation will not be such an awful thing for the climate and what we need to do is prepare for that moment. and so preparing for that moment doesn't just provide economic growth for when the airport is built, but you start building the companies. the companies will start locating in britain that are going to invest in sustainable aviation, that are going to invest. and so it is a 25 year build up. and that's why you will start to see growth earlier rather than later. >> but of course we've seen these sorts of projects before haven't we with hs2. classic example. >> well we haven't finished hs2. we haven't sorted that out. i'm really glad that you raised ed miliband on net zero green energy energy secretary. wherever he's gone, suspiciously silent this week, he's gone awol because he doesn't because he's a vocal critic. last seen.

>> last seen playing a ukulele in a field. >> the answer, my friend, is blowin in the wind. >> i mean, what an embarrassment that was. but but. yeah. carry on. >> emma wright, the. >> emma wright, the. >> standing today to the court case that will evaluate whether there should be more coal and thatis there should be more coal and that is out that has come out today. >> within minutes of the announcement london and heathrow is in london. london's own mayor, labour's mayor sadiq khan, was saying that he would fight that all the way. our own prime minister, keir starmer, there's always a tweet, keir starmer talking about opposing the third runway at heathrow. this is absolutely pathetic. and lots of what lloyd says about about needing a third runway. fine. fair enough. in 25 years, that's quite a long time. but the fact is we need growth. now. if this is her growth plan or the other growth plan was we're going to build a train line between oxford and cambridge that will rival silicon valley. and everybody held their sides laughing. this was.

>> perfectly let. >> perfectly let. >> lloyd comeback. >> lloyd comeback. >> that is that is on the silicon valley thing. i think thatis silicon valley thing. i think that is untrue. i mean, i was with nigel the other after the nigel farage, after the announcement, and he admitted that the silicon valley between oxford and cambridge is actually a good idea. it is a good idea because we are the world leader or the european leader, at least in thinking and developing new technologies. but we are awful at then turning them into commercial projects. so working with the americans, creating a base here, and that is where you want it. and it isn't just about a new railway. it is about, of course, making sure we have the ai revolution, which peter kyle announced only the week before. it is about making sure that we have building all along that arc so that we can have new houses, which she's announced. reduction of planning restraints. i mean, nigel's problem was that where do we get the energy to run all these big computers from, which is my point is always that, well, that's why we need to build some more nuclear power stations, because they're the ones. >> that took about 25 years to

build. >> exactly. and we've already got one halfway built, another one starting. and we need two more, at least online. >> can i just point out british people are not idiots, right? we all agree that we need growth, but when we see the chancellor and the prime minister announcing policies that actually mitigate against growth, they actually they stifle. >> growth. >> growth. >> such as employment, small businesses across this country, they are the absolute fuel of growth, right? when you start taxing employers so, so stringently that the pipsqueak that when you even have massive businesses like sainsbury's and lloyds bank who have to announce closures and job layoffs, thousands and thousands of job layoffs at the major supermarkets. >> makes a fair point. lie—in on this new employment legislation, which is due to come in in april, i think. >> national insurance. >> national insurance. >> rates and national insurance rises. >> employers rights. >> employers rights. >> it's going to affect small businesses. >> i think there's very little evidence that employers rights will reduce the number of jobs,

and there's a lot of squealing from businesses, just like there was when we introduced the national minimum wage and paternity rights originally. and in fact, it produced no downturn in fact, it produced no downturn in the economy. i think on the national insurance rise, there is a point there, and i do think that the chancellor is going to have to relook at some of that because that does harm, particularly part time workers who are very often it's very important to get them in work, you know, people who are parents who want to work part time so they can look after their kids they can look after their kids the rest of the time. and if you push them out of work, you actually increase the benefit, the benefit burden. so it's a lose lose. so i think on that there's a point. but on the idea of employment rights reducing jobs, actually the evidence is the opposite. but employment rights means you have good stable jobs. >> i visit businesses most weeks , >> i visit businesses most weeks, and for example, i visited one recently who had, i think it was 40 employees. just a small business. it's going to cost that firm an extra 40 zero zero £0 a year in cost due to this budget. why doesn't the chancellor know this?

>> well, the chancellor is has inherited one of the worst economic situations since the post—war period because the conservatives and cheerleaded on by , by by yourself a lot of the by, by by yourself a lot of the time wrecked the economy. they played fast and loose. they they destroyed all of our trade ties with our closest neighbour, and they haven't replaced them with decent trade deals. >> i know, let's freeze all the pensioners so that they end up in a and e, and then we've got people dying in the corridors. so many of her decisions nibbling around the edges, they're not big savings nibbling around the edges of things, slapping, raising national insurance on employment. these are the this is the way that we grow this country. and then the best she can come up with is a third runway at heathrow that may or may not happen by 2050. >> that is. >> that is. >> a new railway between cambridge and oxford. and building between that and the new silicon valley and i and making sure we're leading the world on that. it's not just the airport. let's be honest.

>> none of this is going to happenin >> none of this is going to happen in the chancellor's political lifetime. it's not going to happen in the prime minister's political lifetime or the lifetime of this government. so this if this is their plan for growth, no one people are not attracted and they're not investing in this country and they're leaving. >> what would you do? >> what would you do? >> listen. >> listen. >> listen, i'm not the chancellor, lloyd. >> i mean, it's a fair. i you know, you look at the front bench of the labour party. you've got the chancellor, rachel, from accounts, which is, i don't know. >> who's got an economics degree, worked for the bank of england and worked for a retail bank. >> yeah, run a business. i mean, this is the thing we should. we should have business people. >> this week. michael o'leary was calling her rachel. rubbish. >> when you say we should have business people, you mean we should either only have. you know, elon musks, who are the big business billionaires? or are you saying we should only have small business owners and anyone that's worked senior in a business doesn't account? we have lots of people who have worked in senior positions in companies and have made senior budgeting decisions. yes, they might not have owned the

company, but public limited companies are owned by millions of shareholders. so i don't quite understand what your point is, emma. >> well, they're just management accountants, aren't they? wes streeting on the nhs talking about reform. rachel reeves talking about growth. keir starmer talking about smashing the small boats. we're not idiots. you can't just say things again and again. you can't just announce things without. >> are up by 20%. we're returning people who are illegally. >> oh. >> oh. >> unlike lloyd. >> unlike lloyd. >> let's not go down that road, mate. listen, i want to ask you this, lloyd. if you were sat on the green benches now, what would you be pushing back on? what would you be saying? feeding back through to the to the through the ministerial team, back to people like rachel reeves. what would you be saying? >> well, i would say on the ni thresholds, i think you need to look again. i think you need to actually abolish the upper rate of ni and make working pensioners pay ni, and then reduce the ni burden for small businesses and for. so i think you just shift the and you'd raise more money that way. and i've said this to them directly

or before and i still write to them. i still write with my scrawly ink pens and send them in because i think, well, they're not going to get rid of me that quickly. and i do also think that they need to look again, a bit about some of these devolution plans to make sure they're getting it right. cancelling elections doesn't really quite sound right to me. the right thing. it's not the focus that should be. and i would also be saying that i think we need to be looking at a proper energy policy where we are committing to building two nuclear power stations in the next few years. >> it sounds like a reform uk member of parliament. >> sign him up instantly. what about the millions of people that are sat on benefits? what about the millions of people coming into the country who are being given free healthcare? >> free housing. >> free housing. >> benefit recipients? are pensioners free? >> right guys, look, coming up next, we're going back in the day with esther

welcome back to the real world. we're going back in the day now

with esther stanhope, leadership coach. you you are like a public speaking expert as well. conferences, political speeches i would imagine pop stars, film stars, stuff like that. >> mainly people in business. i help them to present, to pitch, to go on panels. i'm a tedx speaker as well, and i talk about personal impact and influence, and i even wrote a book about public speaking called goodbye glossophobia. glossophobia glossophobia. the greek word glosso is tongue. it's actually the word for the phobia of public speaking . glossophobia. >> so i do a little bit of pubuc >> so i do a little bit of public speaking. i know some in parliament, i do conferences and just have a look at this clip here that this is me speaking in. i think it was chesterjust in. i think it was chester just a few weeks ago. have a look at this de1 keir starmer just a few weeks back, he said a few months back, actually, he was talking about releasing the sausages. i mean, i thought it was a slip of the tongue, but he's actually done that. but what he's done is he's released some silly

sausages and he's put them in his cabinet. well, you saw that, didn't you? that's a bit. some people said that was a bit naughty. >> cheeky. >> cheeky. >> well cheeky, a little bit humorous. trying to make a serious point at the same time. can you give me any tips? >> i can give you some tips. silly sausages. you've got very particular s the way you say the word s, i say silly sausages to me again. >> silly sausages. >> silly sausages. >> silly sausages. you've >> silly sausages. you've got a really distinctive s. i actually really distinctive s. i actually really like it. some people get a little bit self—conscious about their speech impediments. so for example. >> thanks. >> thanks. >> for that. it's not an impediment. but, you know, winston churchill had a speech impediment. so you're in you're in good company. >> so i have got a speech impediment. >> no, no, you have you haven't. no. but you've got a very distinctive voice and a very distinctive voice and a very distinctive way of saying your essays. >> you're getting. >> you're getting. >> around the sausage thing. i mean, i agree with the whole sausage debacle. when keir starmer said the release of the sausages instead of the release of the hostages, i my theory of thatis of the hostages, i my theory of that is that i think he was

working from a script. >> he was reading from an autocue, you could. say it was. >> yes. and the problem with reading from an autocue is that it's words in front of you, and you're not kind of like, emotionally attached to those words. it's like a jumble of words. it's like a jumble of words and you're just saying them really well. so if you get, you know, hostages, it's almost like it meant nothing. it was just a word. so the return of the sausages, it's just it was just a word that came out. so i think that the danger of doing autocue is that you're not connecting with the words. and if you don't connect with the words, how's the audience going to connect with you? >> actually, during that speech, probably that's the one thing that people remember. >> the only thing people remember. it's all i can remember, all i can. i wrote about it. >> so you would have coached other people. you would have helped other people with their speeches, their public speaking, any famous people amongst them? esther. >> actually, i am quite a big secret for a lot of my clients, some of my ceos that i work with. but when i was a producer at the bbc, i launched vanessa phelps's show, for example. we had people coming in to the bbc all the time. boris johnson i once gave him some advice and he didn't take it. really? why is

that? well, one of my bit of advice for boris johnson was he said, oh, have you got any tips? and he was really rushed, you know, because he used to come in on a bike, in the studio on a bike and he said, oh yeah, i've got any tips. and i said, one day when he came in, yeah, i've got a really good tip for you, boris. all you've got to do is love your audience a little bit more than yourself. oh, dear. do you think you took my advice? probably not. kwasi didn't. >> you're going to get a lot of people come to you at different stages of life, esther. that's going to do public speaking for the very first time. and i know it can be daunting, especially if you're on a big stage with thousands of people. there are hundreds of people there. and sometimes for me, it's more difficult. i mean, i've done conference last year, 4000 people, so on stage i felt okay. and then you can go and do a little pub like i probably will do next week, and there might be 30 or 40 people there, and that's just as daunting. >> yeah. so you told me that you only started doing the public speaking quite recently, maybe six years ago. so my question to you is how did it feel when you

first started? because i was awful. when i first started, i used to forget everything and i was terrible. >> i got asked to do a go to an association in lincolnshire, a conservative association, because a cabinet minister had pulled out at the last minute. and i was, i think i was the nearest available mp for this association and. >> rent a gob. >> rent a gob. >> yeah. and they said, will you come and speak? and i thought, well what do i speak about? so i went and i just told stories. good.i went and i just told stories. good. i just told stories about my political journey. so i didn't i didn't need a script. i could just read it off the top of my head and, and after that, just doing that one. i was then booked up, then for about 18 months. >> so wow, does that happen to me? >> yeah, it's like every friday and saturday. then i was just telling stories. so. >> but how did you feel though, before you went on, before you told those stories? were you were you vomiting in the toilet? >> did you get the vomiting? because when you're at an association or an event where people support you, then they're on your side. it's when you go into a hostile environment, then. then it's a different kettle of fish. but you know,

when you're doing political speaking, unless you're in the chamber, obviously i get some jeers there. but when you're doing it to your own supporters, then it's a bit like a best man speech. they want you to do well. so half the battle is won. >> yeah. so what do you find when you're when people are asking you about speaking, what do you find is the most challenging thing? >> it's shutting them out. so when you're doing political speak obviously i travel around the country, whether it's you're interviewing me and. >> i know i like it. yeah. >> i know i like it. yeah. >> i know i like it. yeah. >> i would say, you know, know, know the area you're in. so there's certain things i can talk about in the north, north west, north east midlands, yorkshire that i might not get away with saying in, in other. >> parts of the south with southerners. >> so yeah. so i've. >> got a theory then. so what you're talking about, the way that you speak is like you tell a story. you don't need a script for a story. you can connect with the story. it's part of you. and when you're connecting with what you're saying, the audience can connect with you. and actually, a story is 22 times more memorable than a

fact. so i would say that you're a wing it wonder, which is good, but i'm a bit of a wing it wonder too. but the danger with a wing it wonder, as i found out when i did my tedx talk, is that you've got to plan and you've got to give yourself some boundanes got to give yourself some boundaries so you don't go off on tangents. >> i've seen arthur scargill speak many times. absolutely brilliant public speaker. >> he was good, arthur. >> he was good, arthur. >> and they could they could have the crowd there. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> for the whole time they were speaking, it didn't necessarily agree with what they were saying. >> but you paid to speak. >> but you paid to speak. >> they were brilliant speakers. absolutely brilliant. >> so when i went to school in the 80s, my school mate was rachel kinnock, neil kinnock's daughter, and i was friends with her the whole time. while he was becoming leader of the labour party, when michael foot was opposite maggie thatcher. and at that time i remember neil kinnock practising his speeches at home, and i'd see him on tv and then see him practising, and iused and then see him practising, and i used to see him watching maggie thatcher on telly, talking about maggie thatcher's

performance on telly, and neil kinnock really respected maggie thatcher and her style. but but obviously they were very different politically. but what i learned from watching neil kinnock and maggie. maggie, maggie thatcher is that the when you're on screen and when you're at a conference, it doesn't necessarily translate to you in your living room. and it's really interesting to see what lands with an audience. and so that's what that's what gave me my passion. >> time is up. that's our time is up. i love your book, by the way. let's have a look at that. yeah. goodbye, glossy rama, that's esther san hope. but coming up next, we've got versus

it's wsfime it's time for right versus left . it's time for right versus left. with emma and lloyd this week we've seen some alarming figures. population explosion for the past 20 odd years. emma. every single political party

when it comes to general elections, they promise to sort out immigration problems. they're going to cap it to the tens of thousands. what's happening over the last 2 or 3 years has got even worse under the conservatives. they're not listening to the great british public. why do they keep doing it? >> what is going on? i think that britain is a really welcoming country. we've always welcomed people in danger or in genuine need, but this cannot go on. we cannot be the world's sanctuary. lee, call me old fashioned, but it used to be that young people in this country could aspire to leave school, get a job, get a house, get married, have children. we've now got to the level where people can't. they can't get a job. they can't get housing, they can't afford to have children. we have millions of immigrants who are coming to this country now. and, you know, we're talking about 6 or 7 children in a family. they're being given free housing, free healthcare, free education, our infrastructure. and i'm not this is it sounds xenophobic to even say it, but the infrastructure of the country simply cannot

cope. >> i can see lloyd smiling here. he thinks that's good news. lloyd. >> i hear people bemoaning that we aren't having enough babies in this country , and we have in this country, and we have a population shrinking and that we're shutting down schools because there aren't enough children in london and city schools. and then suddenly the next day, you have someone coming on bemoaning that we have too many people arriving. in fact, those children that are children of immigrants become british people. they grow up here and they contribute to the economy. do you want more children or do you not? it's, i'm afraid, a schizophrenic approach and you need to make your mind up. >> i'll tell you, it's not schizophrenic at all. i want british people who are born in this country to be able to afford to buy a home, to have children of their own. i don't want people coming over to this country when we can't actually cope with the numbers. and having 6 or 7 children being on benefits and claiming free healthcare, free education. >> well. >> well. >> this idea. >> this idea. >> i do think that charity begins at home. if we can't

afford to even keep our pensioners who served. many of them worked all their lives and served in the war and all sorts. if we can't even afford to look after them, treat them with dignity in hospitals and keep them warm, then how on earth can we afford lloyd? >> i mean. >> i mean. >> emma, many foreigners coming to this country. >> lloyd makes a fair point. you know, back in the day when i first started work, you know, people were having children, families buying houses in the early to mid 20s. now young people are still living at home, you know, at 30 years old. and they can never imagine to get their own family or buy a family home or get a mortgage or it's totally out of their reach. >> that's because the price of houses has gone up extraordinarily high. well, due to house price inflation and. >> population increase. >> population increase. >> well. >> well. >> immigration. >> immigration. >> we have the same number of housing units now as we did in 1970 per head of population. so this idea that there's some huge shortage is not necessarily

true. if you look down in the figures, what we have is the wrong kind of housing. we've sold off council housing. we've sold off council housing. we've sold off council housing. we've sold off the cheap housing that people can get onto the ladder. and now we have far too many private rented houses. we need to get rid of them. we need to return them back to the bought sector. and we need to increase wages or reduce house prices, one or the other, so people can get on the property ladder. and we need to build, we need councils building. after the war, councils built up to the 19805, war, councils built up to the 1980s, councils were the main builder of housing in this country and we privatised it all and we gave it to we gave it basically to the persimmons of the world. persimmons doesn't even actually build the houses themselves. they get local small businesses to build the houses and they just cream off the profits off the top. and what we actually need is a proper national house building situation, and we need a proper system of decent. >> well and good saying that, lloyd. but at what stage in this country do we say enough's enough?is country do we say enough's enough? is it when we get to 100 million, 150 million people, when we don't 200 million. >> people when we. >> people when we. >> don't have only a small island. >> when we don't have jobs,

shortages in key sectors like we have at the moment, when we actually are not complaining about a lack of population growth in in schools, all those things would be good indicators. but at the moment we don't have enough children for. >> our schools. >> our schools. >> at the moment we don't have enough. >> workers with. respect industries, many of the people who are arriving in this country are not going into those key sectors. they're not going in to fill those jobs that we that we need.the fill those jobs that we that we need. the largest nhs. >> the largest number of immigrants that came over, they were for social care last year. >> and. >> and. >> this thousand people for social care. >> and this is the problem. this is a big problem right now. >> did we think that they are not going. >> into those sectors? that's exactly. >> the sector we are going into. >> the sector we are going into. >> when did we become the sanctuary for the whole world? when did we. >> start to. >> start to. >> say, when. >> say, when. >> did our borders? we're still one of the lowest number of recipients of international people. >> when you've got a country like ours, lloyd, and you're right, you're quite right with the social care. what you mentioned earlier with 100,000 people coming in, but these are people coming in, but these are people coming in on minimum wage at minimum wage. they're paying

what, less? probably about two grand a year in income tax, a few hundred quid a year in national insurance. so the actual contribution to the treasury is about two and a half grand a year. >> and saving money on social care. >> but when they're bringing in 4 or 5 children, some of them, you know, have got medical needs as well. it's about 5 or 6 grand as well. it's about 5 or 6 grand a year to send a kid to school. it's 30 grand straight away. >> and those kids will grow up. >> and those kids will grow up. >> claiming housing. >> claiming housing. >> the economy and the british. >> the economy and the british. >> children get in. >> children get in. >> university will be good, hard working british children. but i think what is what is the. >> costing us money? >> costing us money? >> no. well, what is the difference between someone who is a british born child and someone who was born somewhere else but grows up in britain and then lives in britain for the rest of time? i don't see any difference in those people. what? what do you see that's so different in that person? >> no, but i don't understand why you think we need so many foreigners coming to this country. i don't understand why we need that. >> the thing is, the thing is. >> the thing is, the thing is. >> guys aren't having more children because they can't afford to. >> it's all well. >> it's all well. >> and good. it's all well and good. importing carers and nurses and whoever from, from

from these countries, from third world countries, from subcontinent, from africa. but those countries need these people more than what we do. let's talk about brexit. it's five years to the day, guys, since we left the european union. now, i always said that the parliament is out of touch with the public. the public wanted brexit 75% of parliament when lloyd was there, didn't want brexit. and they've, you know, they've done their best to delivering a proper brexit that, you know, the brexit that the british people voted for, they don't want it. they've been very mischievous lloyd, i think parliament have over this whole issue. >> well look i represented a remain seat and i was a remainer and i pledged when i got elected that i would do everything to get the very softest brexit that i possibly could. and that's what i aim to do. other mps will have to account for themselves, but i think in a democracy you have to allow the dissenting voice to continue putting the dissenting argument. that's how democracies work. yeah. look, clearly the public won in the end because that's how democracy works as well. you have

arguments. but then we had an election. >> they won the public. >> they won the public. >> we had an election. boris got his way and got the brexit that he wanted. and we've seen that it's been a disaster. but that's what the public. >> has it not been. you know, you've got other countries still in the european union like germany. they're, you know, two years, nearly three years into a recession. their exports are falling, they're struggling, but they're still part of the european union. >> i think it's really sad. this is the fifth anniversary of brexit. and actually, you know, it hasn't really been delivered. we should be celebrating at this point. the sunny virk plans that bofis point. the sunny virk plans that boris talked about, instead of which we've got keir starmer, who looks as though he's possibly going to cave in on the youth mobility scheme, all of that in return. >> for his. >> for his. >> uk and eu. >> uk and eu. >> we've got. >> we've got. >> a youth mobility scheme with australia, we have a youth mobility scheme, with japan, we have a youth mobility scheme with new zealand. >> and canada. >> and canada. >> so why can't we have a youth mobility scheme. >> when we. >> when we. >> but we have them with non—eu countries? why can't we have it? i thought brexit was about treating europe the same as every other country in the

world, not treating it worse. so treat it the same as australia, treat it the same as australia, treat it the same as japan, treat it the same as japan, treat it the same as canada where we have youth mobility schemes. what is so why do people hate europe. >> so much is on one. >> why do you hate europe? >> why do you hate europe? >> i don't hate europe at all. and you. >> know how i vote. >> know how i vote. >> you don't. >> you don't. >> know how you were saying you want to treat them worse than other countries. >> when you talk, when you say things like i, you know, i campaigned for this, you know, and i'm determined to carry out the softest brexit that is such a betrayal of the vote. that is such a that's so weird. >> it's weird. it's weird. it's weaselly. it's weird. we end up. >> with nothing we end. >> with nothing we end. >> up with i lost. >> up with i lost. >> i lost in the end. boris got a mandate. >> he got. a big majority and he. >> says we're all winners, the uk. anyway, it's time for a yes or no question. that got a little bit feisty, didn't it? lloyd, this is your first time on the quiz. >> hopefully you've watched. >> hopefully you've watched. >> i always. >> i always. >> win okay emma, always win. how much do you pay him? >> i will, i will pre—warn you. >> i will, i will pre—warn you. >> i will, i will pre—warn you. >> i just win. >> i just win. >> you can only answer yes or no. you cannot give a politician's answer. but at the

end of the quiz, it's five questions. you can qualify one of your probably ridiculous answers, if that's okay with you. emma. you know the rules, don't you? and we'll go with emma. first. was you inspired by rachel from account speech? >> no. >> no. >> lloyd. >> lloyd. >> i think it's quite good. >> i think it's quite good. >> yes. oh. »- >> yes. oh. >> he's lost already. >> he's lost already. >> oh, dear, i know. listen, let me have a smell of this. oh, so you've lost already. so i can't give you that one. number two. lloyd, is kemi winning at the despatch box? >> no. >> no. >> oh. do you want one, emma? should there be a cap on immigration? >> yes. >> yes. >> no. >> no. >> lloyd. should the government incentivise families to have more children? >> no. >> no. >> emma. >> emma. >> no. >> no. >> no. >> no ticks this week is there.

and fifth and final question, emma, as donald trump made a good start. >> yes. >> yes. >> this is going to kill him to say yes isn't it. it's going to kill him. can we have a timer on this please. can we have a tick tick tick tick tick? >> i'm going to say no. >> i'm going to say no. >> that's the wrong answer because. >> you know, you're. so eat him. listen, i. smashed him. he smashed him. >> you got five. emma and lloyd got three. lloyd, do you want to quickly come back on one for 305? 30s? >> i don't agree with a lot of the executive orders he's put through, and i think they could be very dangerous, but i don't think anyone can under under estimate or whatever the change that he has forced around the whole world, around how we are thinking about social issues, how are we thinking? >> and that is i and. that is the nonsense. >> and that is the power of democracy. look, i disagree with the outcome, but the power of democracy is that the world changes according to the people's vote. >> but, emma, the. >> but, emma, the. >> tide is turning. and donald

trump knows that he was always going. >> to win. >> to win. >> the tide comes in and out. >> the tide comes in and out. >> and it will be back in my corner soon. corner 500“. >> corner soon. >> this nonsense, when he says things like there are two genders, male and female, the world goes, finally, a little bit of common sense. >> it's true. there are two genders, male and female, and there's a spectrum in between. >> he's honest, he says what people are thinking, and he was. people are responding to him. >> well, there you go. >> well, there you go. >> we'll see. >> we'll see. >> emma, you're quite clearly our winner today, lloyd. you must do better. so when you're back on the show, i mean, even stephen pound gets four out of five. you got. >> three last time. >> three last time. >> but coming up next, we've got gymnast nicholas danes. >> can't wait to get in that sea. >> lovely and warm. >> lovely and warm. >> just like the feeling of having great travel insurance. >> allclear travel insurance sponsors gb news travel destinations forecast. >> often breezy across the canary islands and heavy showers in tunisia and algeria. but

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>> sounds like last orders at the bar, and i'm delighted to be joined by nicholas danes, who, by the way, we've got a bit of a film star. he's been in such blockbusters as harry potter, james bond, all sorts of. >> mission impossible. >> mission impossible. >> jurassic world. you might not reckon. >> you might not recognise him because he's a stunt man. nicholas, when you go and see your careers officer at school all those years ago, i suspect

it's a few years ago. did you say to that? careers. man, i want to be a stunt man in hollywood films. >> well, i wish, you know, when i was at school, sitting cross—legged on the floor when they were doing careers advice, if someone had said that i could make my career out of being physical, i would have absolutely loved to do that, because i've been a gymnast my whole life, and that's really how i got into stunts. you know, i was an international gymnast for team gb with british gymnastics, went international to world championship level, and then i was so used to jumping off things and falling off things. good spatial awareness, knowing where i am in time and space, that when i found stunts, it was like the natural fit really. and then. >> there's a bit of a difference, mate, between, you know, being on a springboard or the rings or whatever on a gym, in a gymnastic competition, then jumping off buildings on fire. >> well, it's quite similar in a way more similar than you think. yeah, because you're drawing on youn yeah, because you're drawing on your, your core disciplines. yeah. so in the gym you're doing somersaults and knowing where

you are in time and space. and it's very much like that when you're jumping off a building. it's that discipline. it's that focus mind over matter that the sport gives you, gives you that, that discipline, especially from gymnastics. and then you just incorporate that into perhaps doing a somersault for building rather than. >> you've got to be. >> you've got to be. >> a bit mad though, to do that, aren't you? >> well, for me, i'm not an adrenaline junkie. it's really what i do. i've done it my whole life, gymnastics and being physical. so it's just like honing in on that and it's mind. >> over matter. >> over matter. >> what was your first ever stunt in a tv programme or film? >> first one was london's burning. i was just in a fire. >> i was actually i've seen a clip of that a few days back in my hotel room, the old 80s and 90s series, weren't it? yeah. >> i loved it. it was great. and then i did casualty and i've done eastenders, of course. so being on it, being here is like being on it, being here is like being on it, being here is like being on an eastenders set. >> but what about your big break into like hollywood films? when did that occur? >> well, so i then joined the british stunt register. that's the bsr and that is a world

leading organisation supplying stunt performers and coordinators to the industry. and that's been going since 1973. so i joined that register. and you have stringent tests that you have to do. you've got to do six disciplines to a certain level in gymnastics, trampolining, high diving, rock climbing, work with vehicles, horses and then you join the british register as a probationary member. and they have a career grading scheme all the way up to co—ordinator level. and that's what i do now. >> can you go to like a stunt man score? >> well, essentially the bsr outline a criteria that is essentially training you. and with guided training programs that we have that bring you on right from beginning to, to coordinating from a probationary member all the way up to coordinating. so the core skills that you do, like i said, from the gymnastics, you're drawing on your gymnastic ability, your spatial awareness, and the high diving gives you spatial awareness as well. so eventually it all comes together so that

you're. >> in one stunt. though, nicholas, during your career where he was thinking to yourself just before he did it, why am i doing this? >> well, one of the biggest stunts i've done is jumping from a seven story building with one and three quarter somersaults, and three quarter somersaults, and that was actually for clare goose. so it was doubling a woman at the time. >> and what was the scariest? being dressed as a woman or jumping off the building? >> well, you've got the costume and a woman's costume, so that's hard. you've got all these things to deal with at that height. but yeah, there's nothing natural about pushing yourself off a building from seven storeys when the airbag below looks like a postage stamp. but you you just have that discipline of focus and that discipline of focus and that mind over matter that really separates you from somebody else. but again, i am just drawing on what i do for a living. and i've been a gymnast my whole life, so i know where i am in time and space and i'm able to land safely. >> so we've got a directory is a bit finicky. so he was like directing this film where he jumped off this seven story building and he got to the bottom and he says, no, do it again because he was like one

inch, you know, out of camera shot. how would you feel about that? do you have to keep doing it and doing it again? >> you do, you do. i mean, it's very rare that it's a one take wonder. but on a stunt like that, you'll have several cameras on it so they can hopefully capture the action as you do it from each angle. and you do it from each angle. and you won't have to do it too many times. and that also puts. so when you do a stunt, you'll have an adjusted fee for each time you do it, depending on how difficult it is. >> so you get you get paid per take. >> you will do on something like that. and then once you've and that. and then once you've and that will be a impetus for the production company to get it right, you know, because obviously the more times you do a stunt, then the more chance it could go wrong. and, you know, even the simplest stunt can go wrong. >> and has it gone wrong ever? >> and has it gone wrong ever? >> oh, for myself, i've broken my nose, broken my shoulder, smashed my teeth. but, you know, stunts is a really dangerous field, you know? and that's why. >> we. say jumping. >> we. say jumping. >> off a building. >> off a building. >> we need to be recognised in our own right. i mean, we put our own right. i mean, we put our lives on the line every

single day. i mean, i've had friends, colleagues that have ended up in wheelchairs. my very good friend david holmes, he's just had his documentary out, the boy that lived. he was daniel radcliffe's double. we worked on the harry potter films together. we were quidditch players together and an accident left him as a quadriplegic. so we really do put our lives on the line every day. >> why? >> why? >> because we love what we do. but it is an art form, and it really needs to be recognised in its own right. you know, like with the award ceremonies, we don't have an oscar still in our category, which is a. >> travesty. >> travesty. >> isn't it? because, you know, like people who write songs for films, they get oscars, don't they, in awards. and but let's put it to the test, shall we? this is going to be your biggest stunt so far. if you grab a pint pot. nicholas, one of those with the spots on. and we'll give you the spots on. and we'll give you the easiest pump, as we always do on this show, you've got to pull a pint in 30s. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> this is. >> this is. >> three. >> three. >> two, one. go for it. >> okay. >> okay. >> have you done this before? >> have you done this before? >> no, i haven't done this before. >> are you making a good job of

it? aren't you? so yeah. you just tilt your glass and get the froth to the top. put that on the bar. and. and that. you know how you said you get paid per stunt. and if you if you get it not quite right, you have to do it again. i think you'd actually make a fortune with that because thatis make a fortune with that because that is awful. >> that is why i'm a stunt man and not behind a bar pulling pints. >> you're going to be a perfectionist when you're a stunt man. i can imagine that. you're a perfectionist. >> yeah. give me a few more goes and. >> i'll get it right. >> i'll get it right. >> you get what i want to give you. probably, i don't know, three out of three out of ten for that. but if there is any young men or women, because i suppose there's women in your industry as well. >> oh, lots of women. >> oh, lots of women. >> and they're thinking, well, what am i going to do with my life? you know, i've done a bit of gymnastics. i might have been enforcers, you know, i've got a bit of coordination. i'm not fitter. a bit of danger now and again. what sort of advice and how do they get into it? >> well. >> well. >> i would recommend that they contact the british stunt register. and once you join the british stunt register, you go in a book as if by magic. i have

it here. this is our 50th edition because we've been going since 1973. and you'll go in a book like this once you've done all the skills to join the register and anyone that they're looking for, the right height, right sex, right weight, different body shapes, kids, people that can double kids. i've doubled kids. you'll go in this register as a probationary member. and then. so when someone's looking for that, then you'll get a call to work. >> well, mate, that's a very interesting conversation. first time ever, by the way, i've spoken to a real life stuntman, and i guess it must be annoying sometimes seeing yourself in all these films and nobody knowing it's not you. or did you get a secret dig out of that? >> well, sometimes you are yourself. like in jurassic world. i was the smuggler releasing the dinosaurs. and you'll see yourself as yourself. but yeah, nine times out of ten, you're behind the scenes. i mean, i'm in wicked, which is up for ten oscars. yeah, i was part of the stunt team on that, which was coordinated by joanna mclaren clark and fantastic

team. cynthia erivo was amazing with the wire stunts, really innovative, innovative stunts that the team provided. but you won't know it's me. yeah, i'll be like a munchkin running around and stuff. >> that's rubbish. >> that's rubbish. >> it was great. >> it was great. >> but don't give up your day job. >> that's nicholas. >> that's nicholas. >> i won't. »- >> i won't. >> thank you, mate. thank you. great. great guy. thanks for watching. lee anderson's real world, and it's five years ago today since we left the european union. so coming up to talk about that is tom harwood. >> we'll see a cold snap which will quickly develop into a warm front. boxt boiler repairs sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. good evening. welcome to your gb news. weather update from the met office as we head towards the weekend, often staying rather wet and windy to the north—west, largely dry elsewhere and we could even see some sunshine at times. but for now, a frontal system. it's

largely fizzling out across the country, but it's leaving behind a fair amount of cloud and slight ridge of high pressure building behind this. this is where we're likely to see the clearest of skies. so turning chilly here even possible. seeing some frost by the time we reach the morning. but across a large bulk of the country, that's where the cloud is likely to stick around. and also starting to see some cloud push into the north—west. turning rather windy here as well. but most towns and cities just about staying above freezing. but in those clearer skies across rural spots, that's where we could just dip below and see that frost start to develop. so to start the weekend, then across scotland, a bit of a mix between clearer skies and also some cloud further south. so likely a chillier start across the far north—east with a risk of frost, but a change on the way. turning very windy across western parts of scotland. some rain just starting to move in here. similar across northern ireland. fair amount of cloud here, turning very windy, particularly around coasts, but plenty of clear skies across wales, parts of the southwest. so a frost risk here but elsewhere. quite a grey start to the weekend. but the good news is the cloud

should break up nicely, allowing for some sunshine to develop, particularly across wales, parts of the southwest northern parts of the southwest northern parts of england should start to see some sunshine, but across the southeast, staying rather cloudy for much of the day and still very windy across the northwest. a chance we could even see some gales to the very far northwest of scotland. cloudier here with some drizzle starting to move through, but temperatures around about average for the beginning of february. now sunday that front moves slightly more inland, so quite a damp day on offer across parts of scotland, northern parts of england, but any rain largely petering out by the time we reach the afternoon, and plenty of sunshine across the southeast, where it's been largely cloudy the last couple of days and into the new week. still rather wet and windy across the northwest, but largely dry and bright across the southeast. that's it from me. bye bye. >> we can expect clear skies leading to a light and warm day boxt solar

>> go away. >> go away. >> good evening britain. it's 8 pm. on friday, the 31st of january. on this day five years ago, britain finally left the european union. my name is tom harwood and this is brexit. day five. >> tonight we are leaving the european union. for many people, this is an astonishing moment of hope, a moment they thought would never come. >> well, it captured the attention of the nation, and after years of arguments, wrangling slogans and campaigns, at 11:00 on the 31st of january 2020, brexit was done. boris johnson claimed it was the dawn of a new era. >> proud of what i've done, i've

been supported by a huge number of people and now we have a prime minister saying all of the right things and i wish boris johnson well. if he keeps his promises, we will get a brexit that will put us in a completely different place to the rest of europe. we have a great future ahead of us. >> so we. >> so we. >> have to make the case for the benefits of migration, the benefits of migration, the benefits of migration, the benefits of free movement. i want people in this country to be able to go and work abroad. >> well. >> well. >> what did it mean for you? what was promised? and in the end, what did we get? >> everything's in chaos. brexit has not been allowed to be delivered. >> what exactly are we benefiting from this? apart from rising costs in food. >> too many for a taste. change it. stop it! yeah. >> sore losers. >> sore losers. >> i would say so. really? >> i would say so. really? >> it's been a unique journey through british politics. and it began nearly a decade ago. turning your back to an anthem

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