>> well. >> well. >> good morning and welcome to the money show here on gb news. lovely to see you this morning. i've got the former leader of the conservative party on the show, sir iain duncan smith. he's going to be with me in the studio and i'm going to be talking to him about his recent visit to ukraine. five years since brexit. can you believe it? since brexit. can you believe it.7 reform being ahead of the tories in every major poll for the first time, and what he makes of donald trump's first two weeks back in the white house. also joining me is the shadow secretary of state for business and trade, andrew griffith. i'll be asking him about why brexit is seemingly now so unpopular, and why the tories failed to capitalise on so many brexit opportunities. labour mp barry gardiner will be

here. i'm going to be asking him about labour's plans for a new runway at heathrow. spoiler alert i'm not sure he's in support of rachel reeves's plan, and his take on five years since the uk left the eu. is starmer going to try and get us back into the bloc? former deputy prime minister damian green will also join me in the studio to discuss the future of moderate conservatism and the challenge to the tories from reform. he's a big kemi badenoch backer, so i'll be asking him about her performance in office so far. and as i said, it's five years since brexit, so the author, ross clark, is going to join me to discuss his book, far from utopia. do you see what he's done there, why europe is failing and how britain could do better. as ever, we've got 90 minutes of punchy politics ahead for you this morning, so don't think of going anywhere. but first, we're going to go through the sunday papers as is

normal, and the front pages are a delight. this morning i'm going to discuss them with political correspondent at the spectator. james heale. lovely to see you, james. morning. now, the sunday times has done quite well because two of its writers, gabriel pogrund and patrick maguire, have written this new book on labour, specifically on keir starmer, and it's quite revelatory. i mean, i don't i always look at these things and think, who buys a book on keir starmer and reads it from start to finish? is this sort of summer reading for the sadomasochistic? however, they've got some good lines, including the fact that labour despaired over hr boss starmer. yes, concerned about his leadership leadership skills, which is a problem when you want to be prime minister, isn't it? >> absolutely. well, i think the big takeaway from the extracts thus far is that keir starmer's team think about as much of their own leader as the rest of us. i think in terms of he seems to be often, sometimes uninspiring, a little bit dull as a chap. and this is really the sequel to their first book on jeremy corbyn. this is about

how keir starmer's leadership started in 2020 and up until 2024, even senior people like morgan mcsweeney, now number 10 chief of staff, thought he was a bit of an air boss. there's one line about him supposedly driving the train, but actually it's a dlr driverless train. and actually just people were despairing all along the way. and there were various points they thought he was going to lose. up until 2021, they thought he might not stay as leader. and that, i think, is the big takeaway really, actually, is that there was always that sense of the project was being made up on the spot, andifs was being made up on the spot, and it's an interesting story about how he came to be prime minister and win such a huge majority. given all the odds against him. >> he probably didn't think he was going to become prime minister. maybe he thought he was kind of going to be the holding pattern labour leader to sort of see what happens to the conservatives and then maybe hand the baton on to somebody with a bit more charisma. i don't know. wes streeting rachel reevesi don't know. wes streeting rachel reeves i noticed another story in one of the papers this morning about them jostling. >> yes, this is the story in 2022, at a time when, of course, it was beergate and keir starmer was under investigation by durham police for potentially breaching lockdown rules. rachel reeves and wes streeting encountered each other in the

voting lobbies and according to the book, wes streeting asked her and said which of us is it going to be? and reeves then had to go and vote and never they never addressed the subject again. but those two are probably going to be likely the chancellor now and the health secretary jockeying to replace him. at some point. >> i would suggest the health secretary looks a little more likely than rachel reeves right now. i mean, i don't think she's had the best. >> start, but you got to remember the electorate. the electorate is going to be those labour mps. true. and i think wes streeting, as someone said to me, he's a self—made man and he worships his creator. >> i've often described him as the most ambitious man in the labour party, if not indeed the country. let's move on though. sunday express front page warning that keir is edging us back into the eu. and then we've got it mixed in with the sunday telegraph's page one. pm eases rules for illegal migrants. all of this does. i know, he said. we're not going to go back into the eu, we're not having a second referendum, we're not going to rejoin the customs union or anything like that. but the signs do look as if he wants to align. we've got olaf scholz at chequers today. we've got this brussels meeting, i think

tomorrow he's very much eu focused. shouldn't he be aligning himself more with trump in america? >> rydon. >> rydon. >> i think that is the danger, isn't it? which is that, you know, britain left the european union just at a time, of course, when it seems like the rules based order is sort of coming apart. what are our alliances going to be now from the pro—european side? they look at some of them make the argument to me, which is that, hang on a sec. if we're being so ambitious with china, you know, going to sending over rachel reeves, that's 600 million deal a few weeks ago. why aren't we being a little bit more ambitious on europe, given how controversial china is via the europe? i do think that labour sees europe as the answer to growth in terms of the answer to growth in terms of the next 2 to 3 years or so. obviously, things like heathrow are sort of ten years down the line, but we're going to see a variety of different areas. i think chiefly migration is also a story in the mail on sunday today about potential climate talks as well. and the key challenge, of course, then comes is, you know, what do we have to offer the eu that we don't want to give away? and the big ask seems to be about youth mobility. but of course, i think we need to remember that the brexit vote was ten years ago,

almost now, five years ago, since we left the eu, and the nature of young people in the european union has changed hugely. there's lots of naturalisation going on, lots of different types of people in terms of, say, for instance, the turks have had lots of citizenship offered by bulgaria. there's lots of young italians who've had some migrant backgrounds. so i think the nature of who's coming here in terms of the under 30 and under 30 would be very different to what the kind of our classical view about who the people will be getting the scheme would. >> be this pm easing rules for illegal migrant story then. so this is about legislation that the tories put in place to say that we needed to have better checks on people coming here, because we had bearded adults pretending to be teenagers, but also to say that if you come here seeking asylum, if you come here seeking asylum, if you come here illegally, then you do not have the right to citizenship and labour want to reverse that. >> absolutely. so this is the big bill that was published this week, second reading, february the 10th. and the two big measures in that are one of which making it slightly easier for illegal migrants to gain a pathway to citizenship. and second of all, as you say about age verification. and, you know, the uk is one of, i think, only a handful of countries which doesn't typically use as much as others. so france and germany are very keen to use to validate

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