country, political party in the country, with more than 200,000 members. at a regional conference in wiltshire, nigel farage said their next target is overtaking labour on 309,000 members. he called the party's growth extraordinary, with a live membership ticker on screen tracking their rise during that conference. well, in his headune conference. well, in his headline speech, farage told the crowd reforms ambition is now to be britain's biggest political party. >> if you want to help us and do your bit in whatever way you can in our historic mission and a mission that i just feel we can't afford to fail at, there's so much at stake. otherwise, what do we leave to those that come behind us, other than a completely broken and betrayed country? i'm not going to put up with that. and i want you to help me in making sure we prevent that. are you going to help me in preventing that? >> in other news tonight, the prime minister has sacked one of his health ministers over

offensive comments he's reported to have made in a whatsapp group. andrew gwynne has also been suspended as a member of the labour party, and has since apologised for what he calls misjudged comments. it follows reports in the mail on sunday claiming he reportedly made anti—semitic comments and joked about a pensioner constituent, saying he hoped she died before the next election. it's also alleged that he attacked members of his own party, including making racist comments about diane abbott and sexist comments about angela rayner. well, housing minister matthew pennycook praised sir keir starmer for acting decisively. >> comments made by andrew gwynne are completely unacceptable, that this is going to be a government that upholds the highest standards of conduct in public life, where a government in service of working people. so we've taken decisive action to dismiss andrew gwynne as a minister. as is the case, there's a live investigation going on in terms of the labour party. he's been. andrew gwynne has been administratively suspended. he's lost the labour whip. i don't know what was said

in those whatsapp groups. it wouldn't be appropriate for me to comment. >> the parents of two girls killed in the southport knife attack say they are now looking for light in the darkness. speaking to the sunday times, seven year old elsie dot stancombe and six year old bebe kings families remembered their daughters as confident, happy and intelligent. they also opened up about their children's funerals and the support they've received from their communities in the months since the horrendous attack. alice da silva aguiar was also one of three young girls to lose their life. and breaking news from the sporting world tonight. plymouth have stunned premier league leaders liverpool, knocking them out of the fa cup in a famous one nil victory at home park. ryan hardy's 53rd minute penalty sealed their first win over liverpool since 1956, leaving fansin liverpool since 1956, leaving fans in disbelief and the visitors hopes of a quadruple in ruins. it's only the fourth time in fa cup history a team outside the top division has knocked out

the top division has knocked out the league leaders. liverpool had made ten changes, fielding a very young bench and sadly paid the price. congratulations to plymouth. those are the latest headlines. i'll be back with you in an hour. now though, it's over to camilla. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone. sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com/alerts. >> welcome to the camilla tominey show here on gb news. lovely to be with you this morning. i'm going to be joined by matthew pennycook. he's the housing and planning minister. i'm going to be asking him whether the government can meet its housing targets, and how it plans to accommodate nearly 5 million new migrants by 2032. i'll also, of course, be asking him about the andrew gwynne

scandal, let's call it that, because it certainly is. i'm also going to be joined by alex burghart. he's the shadow chancellor, chancellor of the duchy of lancaster, basically kemi badenoch sort of de facto deputy. i'm going to be asking him about her plans for limiting legal migration and what he makes of reports of a megadeal between nigel farage and wait for it, boris johnson. reform archewell, former tory mp. now she's a reform greater lincolnshire mayoral candidate. dame andrea jenkyns joins me. i also want to ask her about the mega pact, because she knows nigel farage and boris johnson very well. is there anything in that mail on sunday story? i'm going to be speaking to britain's strictest headmistress, katharine birbalsingh, head of michaela academy in wembley. she's going to join me to discuss this ongoing row with the education secretary, bridget phillipson. expect some fireworks with that.

welcome back. labour's housing and planning minister, matthew pennycook joins me now. good morning, minister. thank you very much indeed forjoining me on gb news. can we talk about andrew gwynne? and i do think the prime minister deserves credit for immediately sacking him from government and suspending him over these extraordinary whatsapp messages. but my question is , genuinely, but my question is, genuinely, should any mp who messages dear resident f your bins, i'm re—elected and without your vote, screw you. ps hopefully you'll have croaked it by the all outs which mean the local elections. should that person be able to remain in parliament at all? he shouldn't be able to continue to be an mp, labour independent or anything. >> well, you're absolutely right camilla. the comments made by andrew gwynne are completely unacceptable and i appreciate you giving credit to the prime minister for acting decisively as he has. he's been very clear since the time we entered office

that this is going to be a government that upholds the highest standards of conduct in pubuc highest standards of conduct in public life, where a government in service of working people. so we've taken decisive action to dismiss andrew gwynne as a minister, as is the case, there's a live investigation going on in terms of the labour party. he's been andrew gwynne has been administratively suspended. he's lost the labour whip. i don't know what was said in those whatsapp groups. it wouldn't be appropriate for me to comment in any case. >> but we do know. but we do know. hang on though, minister. we do know what's been said. i mean, obviously the mail on sunday has published the worst of this in response to a question about whether a man called marshall rosenberg will be at a particular meeting, he replies, no, he sounds too militaristic and too jewish. is he in mossad now? i'm sorry. we've had a situation where keir starmer has sought praise for purging the party of anti—semitism post corbyn. and yet you've got a minister using this language. this should be a no brainer at this point, and i

appreciate there's an investigation being carried out, but we've already got a load of the messages literally in black and white in front of us. so my question to you is in what world can this man remain an mp? >> well, we have got a series of the quotes from the whatsapp messages as part of that splash this morning. i don't have the full transcripts that i've seen, but i think your viewers will accept that it would be inappropriate for me to speculate on what comes next when there is a live investigation taking place, but i think they can. >> what's your instinct? because you're a, you know, a labour mp that wants the party to appear respectable. would you say personally that really there's no place back into the party for andrew gwynne? we've got a suspension right now. he's not been booted out of the party completely. he should be, though, shouldn't he? >> well, his membership of the party has been administratively suspended. he's lost the labour whip, and the prime minister has acted very decisively to ensure

that's the case. and that he was dismissed as a minister. because we're very clear those comments are completely unacceptable. but i'm not going to speculate on his future standing, whether he. stands again for any of those other hypotheticals while that live investigation is taking place. >> if you were andrew gwynne at this point, would you just resign, resign from the house of commons and say, look, i can't represent my constituents any more? >> it's a completely hypothetical. i'm not andrew gwynne. i wouldn't use. >> language, but i'm asking for your opinion, minister, which is a perfectly fair question to ask on a sunday morning that this scandal has broken. >> but i don't think it is appropriate while there's an ongoing live investigation, to speculate on hypotheticals as to what might happen to andrew gwynne. >> how disturbed are you that this group also involved another labour mp and labour councillors, who don't seem to have called these messages out. >> i don't know, i mean, i don't think i don't know if you know camilla, i don't know who released the transcript of that

whatsapp. i don't know the circumstances in which this information have come to light. again, i don't think it would be appropriate not personally knowing the full details for me to comment on hypotheticals, on speculation when there is this live investigation. i think your viewers, as i've said, draw comfort from the fact that both in terms of the labour party having that administrative suspension, the removal of the whip and andrew greene's dismissal as a minister, that the government is determined to uphold the highest standards in pubuc uphold the highest standards in public life and to act decisively across the board. it doesn't matter who the minister is or who the member of parliament is. >> i know, but final question on this, because i do want to get on to housing. it's really important to the gb news audience, but from what we know already, barring an investigation, doesn't it suggest to you we've got misogyny, we've got racism, we've got anti—semitism, and we've got anti—semitism, and we've got anti—semitism, and we've got wishing a constituency dead, a constituent dead. this man has no place in parliament. that must be your natural instinct. it's my instinct. >> and i don't think i can be

any clearer than i have been, camilla, that that language is completely unacceptable. >> so he shouldn't be in the house of commons for a minute longer. he should be permanently expelled from the labour party and expelled from parliament. that's what most people watching and listening to this will be thinking right now, mr pennycook. >> i'm not they and i can understand why they would be thinking that. i'm not going to prejudge or predetermine that investigation that has just taken place overnight. >> let's get on to housing. the centre for cities has warned that labour will miss its pledge of 1.5 million new homes by 2029, by at least 388,000 homes. so are you going to meet that 1.5 million pledge? can you give us a cast iron guarantee? that pledge will be met. >> we are confident that that target can be met. it is an incredibly stretching target, and i think we deliberately chose it for that reason. and i just put to your viewers the counterfactual, we could have picked a fairly easy target that we know we could have comfortably met, could have picked the previous government's target of building just under a million homes over a parliament

that wouldn't have been commensurate with the scale of the housing crisis that this country is in the. grip of, you know, that won't deal with the fact that a generation is locked out of home ownership, that 1.3 million people languishing on social housing waiting lists that we've got to our shame as a country, 160,000 children right now homeless in temporary accommodation. so yes, it's a stretching target. it's challenging, but we've got to take reform across the board. it's got to be reform and investment. it's a set menu if you like, not a la carte. we've got to do everything. we're working at pace to do that. but if that. >> in that case. >> in that case. >> we are confident we can meet the target. >> in that case, you say you've got 1.3 million on housing waiting lists. why on earth isn't labour doing more to bring immigration really, really considerably? because we've got an ons prediction that the population is going to go up to 72.5 million by 2032, 4.9 million of that is going to be made up by migrants. so actually the maths don't add up on your

housing targets. you're not going to have nearly enough homes built by 2032. >> i've just gently pushed back on those ons figures. i think they take trends baked in under they take trends baked in under the previous government, and you will know that between 2019 and 20 2024, migration doubled, reached nearly a million points in single years. that is unsustainable. we've been very clear that we've got to restore order to the asylum and immigration system. we've got to bnng immigration system. we've got to bring levels of net migration down, and in doing so, we will take pressure off the housing system. we're not going to set arbitrary targets like the previous government did that are not achieved. >> because why can't you just set a target that is achieved? >> there's no point picking arbitrary targets. we're very clear on our commitment to bring down levels of net migration. but camilla, what i'd sort of say. >> literally by how many? but even if you don't bring down a target, just give me a rough figure. i've asked yvette cooper this, the home secretary? she can't answer either. how has the electorate have to have any confidence in what labour is saying? if you won't even give

us a ballpark? 100,000 500,000 900,000. just give us an estimation. >> but i think the electorate i don't know about you. i think the electorate are tired of politicians pulling out these arbitrary figures on migration and not meeting them. they should judge us. they should judge us by our actions. the number. >> of. >> of. >> removals since we took office, over 16,000 enforced returns, up 24% since july. foreign criminals being deported in large numbers. they should judge us by our actions rather than some arbitrary target. i think they've had enough of that under the last labour government. but we are. >> don't you think? don't you think the electorate is moving closer to reform, who are now aheadin closer to reform, who are now ahead in all of the polls? because reform have been really clear on net zero migration? don't you think that's how the electorate is reacting to 14 years of tory rule and labour ambivalence on immigration numbers? >> i just, numbers? >> ijust, i'm afraid, fundamentally reject that. we are ambivalent on numbers. we are. >> you won't give me a number. that's why you're being

ambivalent. if you are being unequivocal, you'd give me a figure. >> no, i'm not going to pick out an arbitrary number from the air live on sunday morning television that we're, you know, in the way that the previous government did. i think people have lost confidence in that type of approach. they should judge us on our commitment to bnng judge us on our commitment to bring down. >> you're saying, i think, but they've lost confidence in politicians because you're saying you won't set a target because no politician seems to because no politician seems to be able to meet a target. and then you're wondering why people have lost faith in politics. how it should work is you set a target and you meet it. and then the electorate says, thank you very much. you've honoured and manifesto pledge. >> and we'll set out further details in due course. there's a white paper coming that will evidence the way we think we can bnng evidence the way we think we can bring down levels of net migration. as i've said, a number of evidence points that shows how serious we are on the numbers of deportations taking place, on enforced returns. that is a clear direction of travel that this government are going in. but i come back to the point on housing, even if levels of

net migration were not what they were under under the previous conservative government, even if those trends weren't being extrapolated forward, we'd still need to build houses in huge numbers of all tenures. because for decades in this country, we have not built enough homes for our people. so removing net migration from the equation, you'd still have to build in large numbers. it's why we're so determined to meet this 1.5 million new homes target. because, you know, a situation where we've got, as i've said, 160,000 children homeless right now in temporary accommodation and that a target much less ambitious target million or whatever it might be, would not be enough to meet that challenge. >> thank you minister, we just have to leave it there for time reasons. but thank you so much for your time this morning. great to speak to you. lots more to come on the camilla tominey show today, including alex burghart kemi badenoch right hand man on that mega deal. let's see what he has to say. see you in just a jiffy.

so i'm joined by the shadow chancellor of the duchy of lancaster and shadow secretary of state for northern ireland, alex burghart. mr burghart, lovely to see you this morning. can i just discuss with you this andrew gwynne scandal because i have put it to matthew pennycook and he said we need an investigation. we've seen enough messages already, haven't we? shouldn't this bloke be expelled from parliament and there be a by—election in gorton and denton? >> yeah, i think there probably should be. camilla. i mean, i noficed should be. camilla. i mean, i noticed on your headlines, i think the worst thing that i've seen mr gwynne say on that group was that one gentleman was too jewish. now. yes. keir starmer claims that he's gotten on top

of this problem in the labour party, but he clearly hasn't. we need to know who else was on that group. did they call andrew gwynne out when he said that? if not, what sanctions are going to be taken against them? you know this. we need all of this out in the open as quickly as possible, because otherwise it's the same old labour, same old anti—semitism within the left in in this country. and, you know, it shows that labour hasn't changed at all. >> so, mr burghart, can i just confirm you are calling on andrew gwynne to resign from parliament? >> i don't see how, given what he said, i don't see how his position is tenable. >> okay, let's move on to kemi badenoch suggestion that jobless and low paid migrants should be banned from securing indefinite leave to remain. why are you saying that? >> the action. >> the action. >> so at the moment, there is a big surge coming through the immigration system. and if the government doesn't do something

very quickly, what will happen is that a large number of people will be eligible to apply for indefinite leave to remain, and that means that they'll be eligible for benefits and access to social security and so on. what we're saying is that you need to the government needs to extend that period from five years to ten years, and that those people who then get indefinite leave to remain after that time will have a further five years before they can apply for british citizenship. and the reason we're doing that, camilla, is first to deal with these numbers, unprecedented numbers, but also to re—establish that having uk citizenship is something very precious. it's not something that should be handed out easily. it's something that you should be very. we should all consider to be incredibly important. >> but won't the electorate turn round and say, this all happened on your watch? you've got this massive surge. we now have the prediction that a quarter of the uk population will be foreign born in 2035. you can say, well, it all started with blair, but

the trouble is that the tories gave it rocket boosters, didn't they? >> luke miall, as i think i've said on your show before, the last government made mistakes and that's why it's not the government anymore. we are under new leadership, and kemi has made it very clear that the government needs to act now to make sure that we have a much better scheme for dealing with people who are already in the country. but also, she said last yean country. but also, she said last year, as you'll recall, that the next conservative government will have a hard cap on the number of work visas it hands out in the first place. we are coming forward with new policies. this is a new team and we are going to be holding the labour government to account this week because their borders and security bill is coming before the house of commons. we are going to put down amendments to make sure that labour has the opportunity to do the right thing. >> why not just say net zero migration like reform? >> we've said that we would have a cap. the whole thing. would it

be camilla, is that there are a lot of there are a lot of there are a lot of people, british people who are leaving the country at the moment to work abroad, partially because of the damage that the labour party is doing to the economy. and i don't want those people to leave the country. i want us to get some of the 9.3 million working age people who are on benefits back into work, which would be better for them and better for the british economy. i want to make sure that our country is has a growing an economy that's growing properly again. and you'll have seen that growth figures this week were slashed from 1.5% to 0.75% because of the disastrous steps that rachel reeves took in her budget last yeah reeves took in her budget last year. so this is all part of a package that the conservatives are putting together to make sure that in the next parliament, we can have a sensible policy on immigration and a proper growth policy that will benefit everyone in our country. >> but what's the point of announcing a cap on the number of visas being granted? if you aren't going to tell us what it is, what's the number?

>> we jimmy said that we would announce that before the next election and when it's going to be very, very much lower than the numbers of be very, very much lower than the figures that we have at the moment. >> what do we think it will be approximately? >> i'm camilla, i've said that we would announce this before the next election and we will. >> all right. well, that's four years away. i mean, surely now you've got reform literally nipping at your heels. in fact, you're nipping at their heels. they're ahead of you in the polls. they've said net zero migration. they've laid it out really clearly. well, all of the polls last week, the poll of polls. let's look at that. one puts reform ahead of the conservatives. and any talk of any deal appears to see the conservatives as the junior partner to nigel farage. >> some polls have us up, some polls have us down. anyone who's obsessing about polls four years out from an election, quite frankly, camilla needs to get a life. you know, there is an enormous amount of time between

now and then, obviously. obviously, you know, the electoral space for us is very competitive at the moment. and that's why we're coming forward with very serious considered policies. but as i said to you on on net zero and the idea of net zero immigration, if, if a million skilled british workers leave and a million unskilled people come in from abroad, that would meet the criteria of net zero, but it would be a terrible thing for the country, wouldn't it? >> okay. mr burghart, do you think that people are mad? then we have reports that some sources close to robert jenrick have met some sources close to nigel farage, and discussed a mega pact between farage and bringing back boris johnson in a bid to unite the right. are the people who got involved in those talks at a mayfair private members club last week? are they deluded? >> i haven't heard anything about that, camilla. >> if it's in the mail on sunday, i've just told you the details.

>> reform reform i, i thank you very much for telling me. i have to say that reform has stated that its intention is to try and kill the conservative party. i don't think that that's a very sort of constructive basis for talks between parties. we've got an excellent new leader, and i'm confident that she can win us a majority at the next election. and that's what i'm focusing on as conservative mp. >> so what are you saying you don't want to bring back boris johnson? >>i johnson? >> i want to have i want kemi badenoch, who we only elected three months ago to lead us into the next election and win that election for us, as i know she can. >> yes. and yet a yougov poll just out. i saw it before i came on air today, says 48 to 26% of conservative voters say kemi doesn't look like a prime minister in waiting. that's a bit disturbing, isn't it? as we mark 100 days of kemi badenoch in office on monday.

>> camilla, you have met kemi and you know just how talented a woman she is and what enormous potential she has to change our politics and deliver the sort of economic and social change that this country needs. i have every confidence that over the next four years, she will show that to the british public and that they will vote for her. come, come 2029. >> all right, alex burghart, i know you have other interviews to do, so i'll leave it there. but thank you very much indeed for joining us on gb news today. forjoining us on gb news today. thank you. still to come, katharine birbalsingh will join me in the studio to discuss her war of words with the education secretary.

welcome back, katharine birbalsingh, who's the head mistress of the michaela community school in wembley, joins me now in the studio. lovely to see you, catherine. if you don't mind me calling you that rather than miss birbalsingh, which you must hear a lot at school. yes. now , a lot at school. yes. now, you've been in a war of words, so to speak, with bridget phillipson. yes. you had a meeting with the education secretary. you didn't find it particularly satisfactory. you then wrote an open letter, which was published in the spectator, detailing why you don't think that labour's legislation, its plans to reform schooling in the uk, is fit for purpose. yeah, you have then been briefed against and i'm just going to put some, let's call it labour source briefing against you to you and you can respond about this now infamous meeting. it was apparently an appalling meeting. you were twice told that you had to contain yourself. your conduct was apparently utterly disgraceful. she had a tantrum, basically. what's your response to that? >> well, that's just not true. i

did interrupt her, but it was me and my deputy and both of us were asking various questions. we weren't willing to be fobbed off. so that is true. we weren't very deferential in the way that, you know, it was obvious that, you know, it was obvious that they and i say they because there were four of them, that they were trying to get the time to tick along, you know, and you give platitudes to my to my questions and you do it deliberately. come in and speak to us about the nice things about your school. no. gosh, it's so fascinating. my deputy spoke about the fact that we more or less matched the number of nines that eton got last yeah of nines that eton got last year. we got 52%. astonishing results. >> progress eight score the highest in the country for three years running. >> my deputy spoke about that. at no point did she say, gosh, that's fascinating. tell me about your your teaching methods or what are your values like or what kind of behaviour systems do you have? there was no

interest at all in what we were doing. >> why do you think that was? because you've accused her of being a marxist. i mean, what are you backing that up with? >> well, what i mean by that is that she's trying to centralise all the power in the state. so at the moment, academies have freedoms to be able to do what's right for their particular intake. with this new bill, we will have those freedoms taken away from us and returned to the centralised state. so that's what i mean when i call her a marxist. i don't. >> think she's are you doing if that happens, if this children's well—being and school bills is passed, what will you be restricted in doing so? >> for instance, the pupil admissions number that you have in any one school, let's say i have 120 kids, let's say one of the local schools, not very good, has also wants 120 kids, but they haven't got as many. they'll make it so that they'll reduce the number of places in a good school to increase the number of kids in that other school. and i said to miss phillipson, of course, well, what are you going to say to the

mum who is desperate to get her child into a good school and you've reduced the number of places, but she didn't have any response. you know, it's interesting because at the meeting i also asked her which of the top schools she's been to visit. she wasn't able to name a school i since yesterday. bizarrely, somebody on twitter sent me an foi that they'd done asking which schools she's visited because she said it was a matter of public record. and of course, i haven't been able to find that someone sent it to me. you know, she hasn't been to a single one of the near 100 schools that got over, plus one at progress eight. so there are practically 100 schools. she could go and visit all brilliant schools. she hasn't been to see one of them. so all of these school leaders who are up in arms right now and very upset about what's going on because they know, for instance, clause 44, if that goes through, it will stop right now. the automatic reform to academy status that a failing school will have. and what that does is

it allows a trust, a big trust, to come in that has the reputation of turning around, failing schools to take over that failing school, and to replace the failing school leaders with new management. yes. >> sounds like a good idea. >> sounds like a good idea. >> yeah, this is a good idea, andifs >> yeah, this is a good idea, and it's worked beautifully because of course, in wales and scotland, where they do not have the freedoms that the academies have here, they have done extremely badly in terms of the international pisa tables and the pearls tables. we have moved up in england, so much so from 27th to seventh in maths. we're now top of the western world in reading. so the fact is that we've done very well in england, wales and scotland have not done because they don't have the same freedoms. what bridget phillipson is going to do is remove those freedoms from the academies here to make us like wales and scotland, which is just crazy because we will plummet in those international league tables. >> i mean, you've said that she hates academies because she has in the past voted against kind of the academy academy system and academisation. yes. are you

saying so? go on. >> no. and that's the case. she's always voted against it. actually, the prime minister ran on an anti academies ticket. that's what he did. yes. so the fact is they have always made it very clear they are against academies. she's now saying she loves academies while at the same time removing the freedoms from academies that make an academy an academy. >> you could counter argue your point by saying, well, autonomy is great. if it's a head like you and you're really efficient and successful, what if it's a bad head? you don't want them to have too much autonomy. maybe the government should take more control. >> yeah, but you know what? the freedoms are there little freedoms are there little freedoms like being able to use uniform in such a way to be able to turn around a failing school like freedom, to be able to hold on to my 120 kids and not have them taken away from me. >> i mean, the idea that the unions sort of back this, i was looking at it in the week and i was thinking to myself, you're quite a threat, aren't you, to bad teachers who are protected

by the union system. it's actually if you were of a socialist persuasion, you'd look at michaela and think, my gosh, if birbalsingh can turn this school around, what excuse does any school have in the country not to come up with these results? it does hold a torch up, doesn't it? you're a beacon of good teaching. quite clearly, your results show that it also makes bad teachers look really bad. is that a problem? >> but i mean, look, this really isn't about our school. frankly, the things that i'm arguing, i've been i'm shocked by the fact that they've abolished the latin for excellence programme and taken away their funding. we don't even offer latin at michaela, the advanced maths program that has put extra maths teachers in the classroom, and that has got 50% more kids taking maths a—level. these are things that i have not participated in, but i'm arguing for them because i feel sorry for them because i feel sorry for those headteachers out there who are desperately trying to do right by their kids, who are tailoring their curriculum,

tailoring their curriculum, tailoring their curriculum, tailoring their uniform, making sure that they are able to hire. for instance, she wants a bureaucratic stamp of certificate on all teachers who are teaching in our system. the fact is, i find it very difficult to find music teachers. three years i had a music teacher who came to teach with us, who was the wife of one of my maths teachers. she was a lawyer. she would never have come to teach with us if she'd had to go through the process of getting that bureaucratic stamp. she she taught us, she taught for three years, did an absolutely brilliant job, and, and then went off and is now a wife and mum. i mean, the fact is that we need those freedoms to be able to give a bespoke and tailored offer to our communities. my school is not the same as a school up in in the same as a school up in in the cotswolds, as in the lake district, as in hull, you know. >> so it's tailored education to a tailored set of pupils. in a certain extent. >> we are the school leaders, so we know what's best. yes, and understand. >> she said no. well she said, you know, basically i don't need

any lectures from anyone on the importance of a good education for disadvantaged children, because i've lived it. that's just referring there to having been brought up on a council estate, gone to a comp, but ended up at oxford. >> and so that quote, which i find so shocking, i mean, and this isn't reported by me, this is from them. they say they don't need any lectures from school leaders. so what they're saying is she's been to school. she knows enough. get lost. we're not listening. and that's exactly what i found in that meeting. yes, they were not listening. and so, yes, i did interrupt her. and maybe i deserved detention for that. but the fact is, i was we were told very clearly, you've got 30 minutes. and then they were behaving in such a way. and i say they, you know, staring at us, being horrible to us, you know, refusing to give us water and so on. i mean, the fact is that they had a particular agenda that they needed to follow us off. and i wasn't going to be fobbed off. no, i wanted to know because i'm fighting for our kids here. yes, right across the nation. >> on that note, because i've got somebody in my ear saying,

we've only got a couple of minutes left. let's just talk about something positive. tell us, what are the top three secrets to a successful school? >> and only she'd ask that. if she'd asked that, how brilliant that. >> would have been. tell us now. >> would have been. tell us now. >> okay, so to turn around a difficult situation in your school, you need uniform. you start with uniform broken windows theory. just like they turned around in new york with the subway cars and taking the graffiti off. it would take me a long time to explain. then you need to have excellent teaching methods in your classroom. the teacher needs to be in charge, needs to be the authority there and there needs. third thing are the values that you're teaching your children. i'm always talking about small c conservative values. now obviously you pick and choose depending on the situation you find your school in, because every school needs freedoms to do what is right for their children. but those core three things. if she'd asked me about them, gosh, i could have spoken for ages. she never did. >> and final question asking not just as a journalist, but also as a mother of three screens in

schools. sports, please. >> no no no no. and not even screens at home really until six, seven, eight years old and even then restricted where you are watching them. it needs to be supervised. honestly, they are so dangerous for children. in 50 years we're going to realise what we've done. please tell your listeners and your viewers please, please, please keep your children. >> off when you when it comes to the classroom, then this whole idea, everyone should have chromebook. >> no no. >> no no. >> no no no. how do you do it? >>— >> no no no. how do you do it? >> well, we don't have chromebooks. we do writing, you know, on paper. so children learn how to hold a pen and learn how to hold a pen and learn to look. you're more likely to remember your thoughts. if you're writing them down. you're more likely to think critically. if you're writing stuff down. that's just been proved by studies. and the fact is that when you have kids on chromebooks in classrooms, they are not working very hard. there are reasons why we do so well in our our exams at gcse. it's because of a whole bunch of things, but one of them is because we don't have screens in school. >> and are you going to extend an open invitation to the education secretary to come and visit michaela? >> i did, i did at the end of

the meeting, and i did at the end of my letter. i'll keep on extending that because i'd like her to see what, you know, a school that works. but you know what? if she doesn't have to come, she doesn't have to come to us. there are 100 other schools out there with amazing progress. eight. she could go and visit one of them. >> do you know what? i wouldn't mind spending a day at your school. maybe we'd bring some cameras if the parents and the pupils were agreeable. and have a look at michaela ourselves. >> yeah, we'd love to have you. >> yeah, we'd love to have you. >> all right. thank you very much. katharine birbalsingh. coming up next, dave andrea jenkyns is going to be joining me. this is the camilla tominey show only on gb news. stay tuned. we'll be back in just a jiffy. >> i. >> i. >> can't wait to get in that sea. >> lovely and warm. >> lovely and warm. >> just like the feeling of having great travel insurance. >> allclear travel insurance sponsors gb news travel destinations forecast. >> you may well be thinking of escaping the cloudy skies of the uk and heading to the mediterranean, though it is

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>> welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news. joining me now is the former tory mp turned reform greater lincolnshire mayoral candidate, dame andrea jenkyns. dame andrea. lovely to see you today. let me read you out. the introduction to a story on page five of the mail on sunday,

written by glenn owen, the political editor. nigel farage is prepared to work with boris johnson to defeat labour in the national interest. sources close to the reform uk leader have told the mail on sunday. discuss. >> this is just fake news, camilla. look, i know boris, i know robert. they're both friends. i know nigel, he's a friends. i know nigel, he's a friend and this just has not happened. or is it somebody so remote who doesn't have any authority? and look, we don't even know if boris wants to come back onto the front line of politics. nigel has already said we are pushing to form a majority government. and so what i actually think this is, is camilla is this is kennedy's team briefing the media to make out that number one, because they're behind in the polls. so to make it out that robert is trying to do a deal that that

nigel cannot get a government in his own right and to try and discredit robert. and i did see it myself when i was in government. camilla, i remember, you know, when i was a conservative, i remember a story being briefed, and i asked boris and carrie about this, where it said that rishi had come out and said that rishi had come out and said that rishi had come out and said that boris was he rang and spoke to boris and he was going to help him campaign. and no such phone call happened. so we know that leaders of the opposition governments, they do brief stuff like this, and i think it's a deflection tactic and is, i'm afraid, fake news. >> camilla okay, but do you think there's ever a chance that bofis think there's ever a chance that boris johnson might follow in your footsteps and defect? >> reform i don't i don't think so, to be honest. i mean, i'm not sure he'll want to come back onto the front line of politics, to be honest with you, camilla. so no, i don't think he'd do it for either party. >> no. okay. fair enough. but

don't you agree that if it does look as if the vote is split on the right, that right wing voters will really be wanting the tories and reform to come together ? because they will together? because they will consider that there's a fate worse than a split on the right, and that's another four years of laboun >> look, i mean, i've tried to do that before the general election. as you know, camilla, i tried to i spoke with rishi, i spoke with reform, trying to bnng spoke with reform, trying to bring both together, but we was in a different place in the polls then. and look at where we are now as the reform party. i mean, consistently we're beating labour and conservatives and we're four years away from an election. so i think anything's possible. yes. if the push comes to shove and, you know, we can't form a majority, we might need to look at that. but we're four years away. we've got four years to actually build on this massive momentum. we've got nearly 200,000 members already now, which is trouncing the

conservatives. so i think the only way is up actually. come on. >> yeah, it does make sense that if there were any deal to be done, it would be a post—election one. once the numbers have been crunched, rather than anything involving people standing aside in seats and all the rest of it. because, as nigel farage has said, the brexit party was burned that way in 2019. do you think that reform can grow further from. i think you're currently on about 25%, obviously, for reform to govern on its own, without the help of the tories or anyone else for that matter, that vote share needs to begin with a three. it probably needs to be 34, 35 at a minimum. do you think you can do that over the next four years, and how will you do that? how will you broaden your sort of appeal so you can win over not just tories but also labour voters? >> i mean, i agree, we need to and we are doing actually i mean, what i find remarkable, which we i think we only saw it briefly during brexit where we could pull from the left as well. but with reform it is

remarkable on the ground. camilla i've seen it myself when i'm campaigning. reform's ability to pull from both labour and conservative, and we've seen it in the recent council by—election results. and i think that the elections, what's left. we know that obviously conservatives and labour have been colluding to cancel a lot and they've cancelled a lot. but the ones that are going ahead, it's going ahead in lincolnshire. these are important elections because i think it's a true test of what reform can do and how we can also pull off labour. >> but it is very difficult for reform because nigel farage made those promises. actually, when you were unveiled as a reform mayoral candidate, saying, you know, it's all about the local elections, we can get hundreds of seats. and now that opportunity to sort of flex your muscles in may has been taken away. how damaging has that been for reform? >> i think it's been purposely taken away actually by the two main parties colluding. and i think that's pretty bad. and it's undemocratic actually. but look, there's these elections. we've got a good chance in

lincolnshire. touchwood. we've got a good chance in, in the hull and east riding election for mayor. and don't forget, the next stage after that will be the elections in wales to the welsh assembly. >> i was just thinking, as i'm speaking to you, because we were covering the andrew gwynne story earlier today, i appreciate that you're going for a mayoral position, but actually we could be facing a by—election in gorton and denton if andrew gwynne can't go the distance, that would be a seat that i would assume reform would want to fight. would you like to re—enter the house of commons? maybe you should put yourself up if there is a by—election in that area. andrea. >> no, i'm committed to standing to mayor of lincolnshire. you know, i've got roots there since childhood. and do you know, it's actually been better balancing it as a mum on my own with a seven year old being in one place, that's much easier. but i mean, could we touch briefly on the chemist plan for migration

as well? >> yeah, sure. what do you think of that? because i asked andrew burkhart about it. the cps, the centre for policy studies, has calculated that it will cost taxpayers £8,200 if all of these migrants currently given five years are allowed to indefinitely remain, that means that they get passports. it's not a bad policy from the opposition leader, is it? >> the thing is, the conservatives introduced this qualifying period of ten years indefinite leave to remain back indefinite leave to remain back in 2012, and it affected the vast majority of migrants. when pretty was home secretary camilla. she also included this indefinite leave to remain route for refugees, extending that to ten years. and but this created such a workload for the home office that they couldn't handle it. so the conservatives abandoned it in 2023. and let's face it, it's not much impact. so they're just i think what they've done, they've seen the figures, they've rehashing a policy which is already there, which is very disingenuous. but

what's the policy to stop people coming here illegally? you know, i mean, people have been going off the grid to work only in spalding this week, a car wash was found to employ an illegal migrant. so i just don't think what they are doing is actually addressing anything. >> well, the tories will argue it was the rwanda plan which obviously labour immediately scrapped. >> heavy showers first thing will be followed by a warm, cosy day. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. very good evening to you. this is your gb news. weather updates provided by the met office. we might be transitioning into a new week, but we're holding on to a very similar weather pattern. the cloud that's been filtering in from the north sea today is going to continue to provide outbreaks of rain and drizzle overnight, particularly for areas of england and wales, parts of southeastern scotland,

as well as the wintry over the hills for the pennines, parts of the chilterns and the downs as well. over towards the west. there will be some clearer skies, particularly for northwestern scotland, that will allow temperatures to drop off, so maybe lows of minus five —six degrees celsius. here. there could be the isolated freezing fog patch around first thing on monday, maybe some localised icy stretches as well on untreated surfaces because of those showers around. but despite the very cold start across the north—west, it is going to see the best of the sunshine here right throughout monday. quite a pleasant day to come here. elsewhere, we're going to be plagued by quite a lot of cloud, quite gloomy scenes for many of us, the showers still continuing to push their way in from the east. we'll still also be falling as snow over the higher ground areas, perhaps a couple of centimetres or so, building up over the pennines during the day it is going to be feeling rather cold underneath all that cloud, particularly with the lack of sunshine. but also we have to filter and factor in that easterly wind that is filtering its way in. so whilst temperatures on the thermometer will be around 4 or 5 c, it's

going to be feeling close to freezing for many of us during the day. as we move into tuesday, the area of high pressure that's scattered across scandinavia and bringing us this easterly wind is still going to stick with us, but it's really figgbng stick with us, but it's really jiggling ever so slightly, allowing this small area of low to just bring some longer spells of rain, perhaps into the south—east and maybe another area of low just bringing some spells of rain to the isles of scilly later on as well. >> expect a warm front moving from the kitchen right through to the rest of the boxt boilers

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