since labour came to power. the unprecedented move is part of a drive by the new government to try to show it's taking tough action on those with no right to live or work in britain. however, only a tiny fraction of the thousands of deportations include those who crossed the engush include those who crossed the english channel illegally on small boats. home secretary yvette cooper says rules need to be respected. >> well, we need to prevent these dangerous boat crossings in the first place. that's why we are today in parliament debating new counter—terror style powers to go after the criminal gangs. and we also need to clear the ridiculous backlog that we inherited from the conservatives, so that also small boat arrivals who have no right to be in the uk can also be returned as part of the increase in returns and enforcement that this labour government has been setting out, we have to make sure rules are respected and enforced. >> elsewhere, farmers from across the country have descended in westminster today

in protest against the government's family farm tax. the rally, organised by save british farming, comes as a petition calling to keep current inheritance tax exemptions for working farms has reached almost 150,000 signatures. labour has previously insisted it will not make a u—turn on its inheritance tax plans, saying that farmers are the backbone of britain. >> i've got a rural constituency and i've spoken to my farmers about the potential impact of this incredibly poorly thought through policy, but but even if i didn't have a rural constituency, we all eat food and this is the food production industry. if we undermine this sector, everybody suffers. and this is an incredibly poorly thought through, rushed, botched, ill conceived policy which will damage our food security, damage our rural economy, put a whole load of businesses out of business. and the best thing that the labour government could do is drop it completely right now.

>> conservative mp james cleverly there. elsewhere, a second labour mp has been suspended from the party for comments made in a whatsapp group that saw a minister lose his job. group that saw a minister lose hisjob. burnley group that saw a minister lose his job. burnley mp oliver ryan has been suspended by labour over his membership of the whatsapp group containing offensive comments, the party said. mr ryan has apologised for unacceptable and deeply disappointing comments. meanwhile, ashley dalton, labour mp for west lancashire, has been appointed as the minister in the department of health and social care after andrew gwynne was sacked over the weekend. he was also found to be a part of that whatsapp group. a 50 year old man who fatally stabbed his teenage daughter in the heart has been sentenced today. 50 year old simon vickers stabbed his 14 year old daughter scarlett, while he claimed they were play fighting in their kitchen. he's been jailed for life with a minimum term of 15 years after he was convicted of murder. delivering the sentence today, mrjustice murder. delivering the sentence today, mr justice cotter said vickers had never given a

truthful explanation of what happened, saying the tragedy must have been down to vickers losing his temper. and us president donald trump is set to impose 25% tariffs on all steel and aluminium imports into the us. steel makers in asia have warned the tariffs will impact profitability and volumes of steel. it's unclear whether president trump will make any exemptions on tariffs. labour minister dame angela eagle said earlier this morning it's in the best interests of both the uk and the us that the two countries carry on with their balanced trade, she said. and those are the latest gb news headunes those are the latest gb news headlines for now. more news from me in an hour. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to.

gbnews.com/alerts. >> thank you very much for that, tatiana. my name is michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co and we're keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. alongside me, i've got the two mps rupert lowe reform uk for great yarmouth and barry gardiner, labour for brent west. good evening, gents, to both of you. welcome back. you're very welcome tonight, as are each and every single one of you at home. what is on your mind tonight? on this monday, the start of another week. and i've got to say, it's been quite an eventful start. we have lots to discuss. you can join the conversation all the usual ways. email me gb views @gbnews. com go to the website gbnews.com/yoursay. or of course you can tweet me and you can take me with you if you need to go out because of course we are on the radio. what a treat. there's no escaping us and that is just the way we like it. now, i remember being told that when we got to the new government, it was going to be a massive clean up operation. this lot were going to be completely

different. oh, that didn't last very long, did it? and the reason i'm sighing is because now we've had a second labour mp suspended by the party. this is all to do with long story short, all to do with long story short, a whatsapp group called trigger me timbers. essentially it was called and some of the goings on in this group that were not that great. it ranged from, in some cases saying f you to constituents that had the audacity to complain about bin collections. wishing some of these people dead. cyclists complaining that perhaps he might be mowed down by a lorry. responses coming. you know, basically, if only we would be that lucky sexist or racist stuff, anti—semitic stuff, you name it. why would mps barry even be part of these kind of groups making these kind of comments? >> i have no idea. i think what people really hate is the idea that you present one face in

pubuc that you present one face in public and in private. you're a completely different person now. there's a role for privacy, right? don't get me wrong. if you're discussing policy and you are wanting to debate the merits of a policy that you're thinking about and you disagree, there's about and you disagree, there's a role for that debate to be had in private, but not when you're trading insults, not when you're you're dissing your your colleagues or your or your constituents. and that is just about basic respect for other people. it doesn't matter whether they're your constituents, whether they're your political opponents. i mean, look, you know, rupert and i, we disagree, but i hope i never say something that is disrespectful about him, and i hope he doesn't say anything disrespectful about me. we can disagree and we can do it courteously. >> there's a guy called gerald cooney. he's the former labour leader of tameside council. he says that he flagged this group and the contents of it, and the

members of it and all the rest of it. he says he flagged concerns repeatedly, for example, over a year ago, why didn't labour act then? >> that's what i want to know, because apparently they put that up to the regional office 15 months ago and it is totally unacceptable. i don't know whether that was passed on to labour hq or whether it was sat on at the regional office, but the investigation should not just be about those people who were in the group. it should be about the question should be about the question should be about those people who actually knew what had taken place and failed to act. >> so these guys, they obviously to put it basically they can't stand the electorate. if you're going to talk about them in that way, do you think they've got any business remaining as mps? >> look, i haven't seen the full quotes, right. in fact, i'm i'm advised that i don't want to see the full quotes. somebody in my office has seen them and said, barry, you don't want to know. some of it's racist, it's

horrible. and it's about colleagues. but, you know, we all get frustrated at times with our colleagues. we all get frustrated at times with our job, and sometimes we make off the cuff remarks. but it's not acceptable to make racist comments to say that you, you know, you wish somebody was dead, that that we. >> know these guys have done that. >> now. >> now. >> the question is, if that's what they've done, they've basically apologised for doing it. should they have they got any business being in parliament if they're wishing their constituents dead, laughing at them, mocking them when people complain and say, i'm i'm a cyclist, i'm terrified i'm going to get mowed down. responding to your mate, saying, well, i hope your mate, saying, well, i hope you do. do those people have any business being in parliament? >> i think that those people should look at their own situation and do the honourable thing. >> so you think they should resign? >> i think they should review the situation and do the honourable thing. >> what's the honourable thing in your mind?

>> i don't think that people who behave like that in a disrespectful way, who make racist comments, should actually be members of parliament. >> do you think they should resign? well, but why do you find that difficult? do you think they should resign or not? >> yes they do. >> yes they do. >> good. >> good. >> i think if i cut it short, yes, i do. >> i think you should resign. i think you should get out. >> what can i say, michel? it's not my place to make that judgement. it's for them to do what is honourable. and it's for the party to determine that they should not be in the labour party or labour mps. and that process is still underway. >> could we see some by elections then? i think the people that will be licking their lips if they were, is the reform uk. what do you make of all this? >> well, i think this is a matter for the labour party. michel, when you ride to power on the sort of preachings of sort of probity, honesty and reforming the way in which parliament operates, and then you see grubby little whatsapp

group like whatsapp groups like this happening. you do ask yourself, why would they do that? and i think a lot of people get their lead from their leader. and i personally think keir starmer is extremely duplicitous. i think this is a dupuchous duplicitous. i think this is a duplicitous way to lead your life. and for me, labour have got to deal with it in the way they deal, they decide to deal with it. and if you follow through from what they said before the election, they really should take some quite radical action. but that's a matter for them. >> not you determined to be radical action? >> well, i think, as barry says, they've got to have an internal investigation. there are clearly other people on this whatsapp group. i don't know the facts, but if some of this stuff is true, then it's pretty damning report towards towards their constituents. but in answer to your question on by elections, yeah, we've i've had a look. it would be a juicy by—election in mr quinn's seat. so i think it would be it would be for us manna from heaven if he were to resign or any of the others were

to resign. it's a perfect time for us to be fighting by elections. so arguably an own goal by the labour party, but i think it's a matter for them. >> can i just say, though, rupert, it appears that the moment that number 10 did become aware of it, action was taken swiftly that i welcome why it waited 15 months to get that information through to them. >> that's yeah. i was going to say there's many people that would reject that and say that there have been flagging this for a very long time, as we discussed. do you think the police should be involved in this? because now they are they've said that they've logged some of this stuff as non—crime hate incidents. >> well, if they've as i say, i would have to see the full text. but if the police have seen the full text and said it's a non—crime hate incident, then no. 110. >> no. >> do you think it's a good use of police time? >> not really. michel, i think there are. you know, there are things that the police should be concerned with. and this is not necessarily, in my view, one of them. i think this is a matter for the labour party. i think

sadly, it's an extremely bad reflection on parliament again, and it seems to happen repeatedly. so if you're an elected mp, you've got to be able to tolerate the trials and tribulations of your constituents doing things that may irritate you, but often they're doing it for their own very important reasons. and i think the mps job is to look at all those if they think there's merit in stimulating debate about it, that's what we should do. but i think, i think this is a matter for the labour party. i don't want to prejudge something i don't know the facts about, but it's certainly, on the face of it, appeals appears pretty vile. >> well, ultimately it'll be a matter for you guys, the constituents. and that's how it works, isn't it? by election, you have to have a recall petition. >> well, you don't have to if somebody stands down. >> so what do you think? are you in one of these seats that are affected by this? and when you hear about mps, you pay their wages, by the way, and they're talking about you like this, wishing that you will die before the next election, swearing

about you, mocking you. sexist language. racist language. >> can i can i just say, michel, if it was reform, they'd be all over us like a cheap suit. you know, they would be claiming that this was a typical reform behaviour. so again, jul standards, i think probably here. >> well, i found it interesting actually, that you're not being that way. so you're basically saying this is a matter for them. i don't want to kind of take the moral high ground. is that because you have said some dodgy things on whatsapp yourself? >> well, hopefully not michel, i try not to. i think, you know, i'm not in parliament to say dodgy things on whatsapp. i'm in parliament to change the way in which we're governed, which i think is deeply worrying for me. and clearly from the polls, a lot of people in britain who are beginning to turn to a party which they hope is going to change the way in which we in which we live our lives. >> i've never been elected as an mp. the people of hull had a lucky escape, not once, but twice. but i feel like i should maybe set up some kind of online

training course. how to be an mp, even basic 101. it's not difficult, surely. do not go in whatsapp groups slagging off your constituents. i mean it is just absolute basics. get in touch particularly. want to hear from you if you are in one of these seats, what do you think should happen? do you want a by—election or are you like brenda from bristol? do you remember her? and you sit there going, not another one. get in touch and let me know and we'll speak about mps after the break. £94,000 plus expenses and pensions. that's what they could be set to earn. is that enough? too much, too tell

hello there. michelle dewberry dewbs& co seven rupert lowe barry gardner. both of them mps remain alongside me. there's not a lot of love or appreciation

for the behaviours of those two mps that i referenced at the start that have been suspended from the labour party, stephen says michelle, these people, it's simple. they have no place in politics at all. they should absolutely be resigning and i'm surprised they haven't already. i've got to say, so many of you are literally echoing that opinion. adrian says. you've got to have more codes of conduct about how people, mps behave on social media, and that should be expanded to whatsapp. i don't mean to be rude, adrian. i'm not sure you need a code of conduct to tell an mp. don't go in a whatsapp group and off your voters. i mean, if you do need that to be written down in a code of conduct, you probably shouldn't be in public office, i would suggest. but anyway, keep your thoughts on that one. so talking about mps, then, how much do you think they should be paid? how much do you get paid? do you sit there and go, i could do a betterjob than these ed davey's do you think? actually, what are we doing? only paying them this amount of money? we should be paying them a whole

lot more. where are you on mbappe? the reason i ask now is because basically the body is called ipsa. the independent parliamentary standards authority. they have looked at the mps pay. they are responsible for suggesting what they should be. they have proposed a 2.8% pay rise that would take an mps salary to 93,904 pence for a pound, of course, including expenses and pensions as well. where are you on this 2.8%, of course, above the current rate of inflation. is this a deserved rise? too much? too little? >> well, i think intellectually it's an interesting question, michel. it won't affect me because i give my salary to charities each month. so i don't take the mps salary. i'm in politics to try and change things, not to not to earn a living. i'm fortunate i don't need to, but i think intellectually either. the salaries should be a lot higher or they should be zero. so i think either we should go