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sign up to news sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com/advent. >> good evening. gdp figures were always talking gdp figures, as we know those of us that are slightly older. remember when gdp growth was two and a half to 3% every year and the world seemed fine? well, now there is virtually no gdp growth whatsoever. the figures we got out today for the last quarter were utterly miserable, showing growth of 0.1 of a percent. but the really interesting thing, and what nobody seems to want to talk about is what is we
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courses but fallen in six. we are getting poorer. and yet it seems to me the only way we get any gdp growth at all is through mass migration. why? because there are more people. so the economy is that little bit bigger. and that's what gdp measures. it measures the size overall of the productive economy. i think it's becoming clearer and clearer that mass migration is making us poorer as a country in every way. interestingly, since the mass migration experiment began, productivity has fallen as well. and i remember for so many years people saying, look, nigel, you may be right. you know, you may have your concerns about population growth. you may have your concerns about cultural integration, but hey, they're all coming in to work. it's good for the economy. so why don't you shut up and order another pint? actually, what we've learned is the vast majority of those that have been coming in the last few years don't work at all. and those that do, if they're in low skilled jobs
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overall, are going to cost the economy in the long run. so is migration mass migration making us poorer? give me your thoughts. farage on gb news dot com. i'm joined in the studio by rob bates, research director for the centre for migration control. i've got kwasi kwarteng, former conservative member of parliament and chancellor, the exchequer, with me and laurie laybourne, associate fellow at the institute for public policy research. good evening gentlemen. rob, am i right? is mass migration making us poor? i mean, clearly there are other factors with the economy, but it does seem to me, when i read out that number since the end of 2022, it's coincided with record numbers of net migration into our country. >> yeah. and i think we have to look really at the type of migration that we have been seeing, especially in the last 20 or so years. and even in the last five years, we've seen a real, real escalation towards this low skilled, low wage immigration. in 2023, 70% of those coming into the country on
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a skilled worker visa. so not even including dependants and those on student visas were earning less than was actually needed for them to be making a net fiscal benefit and paying more into the treasury than they actually take out in terms of the amount that's having to be invested to increase the capital stock and maintain the roads, and increase the police force and increase the police force and the health service and the schools and things like that. and i think there's a bigger problem here in terms of you mentioned productivity in this country being absolutely dire. what we are doing effectively, we are allowing businesses to put off making that necessary investment to improve the productivity in their area, to improve the actual output that they're achieving, and they're instead managing to plug those gapsin instead managing to plug those gaps in the short term with these with these people coming from overseas. >> and effectively with cheap laboun >> yeah. that's it exactly. and i think if you look throughout history, no successful economy has ever been able to adapt to huge changes, whether they be technological or whatnot, if they are staving off that investment by relying on, on on labour that's underpaid. >> these arguments, rob, five years ago, were impossible to make without being screamed at.
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is there a change of narrative? >> oh, i think definitely. i think in the last three years we've had people really starting to wake up, you know, the figures really about the gdp per capha figures really about the gdp per capita declining almost just confirm what most people are starting to feel anyway in that, you know, our roads are full, our public services aren't working how we would like them to. things just don't seem to be quite in concord with how they should be. and i think people now are starting to feel validated. the more we're seeing the data come out, the more we're seeing statistics. and, you know, the gdp per capita one is clearly one. but there are other indicators as well. and i think, you know, people really are now just feeling validated and therefore more confident in the belief that it's not it's not racist or things such as that to oppose the level of immigration that we've seen. it's just basic common sense. >> kwasi obviously there are other factors here. there are, and i absolutely get that. but i do think the points about productivity, gdp per capita, you know, coinciding with that penod you know, coinciding with that period of huge numbers coming. >> so the biggest irony of this, and you and i will remember the brexit debate and the whole point about one of the points about the brexit debate was that we'd imported large numbers of people from eastern europe over
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ten years, and that was the point that we were making, was that we don't want a low skilled, high immigration economy. and i think none other than boris johnson made the point. >> if you remember, i'd said for years, let's have an australian style point system. let's do it sectorally let's choose the skills that we need. the problem is that in government we set the bar too low. >> that's right. and you know, my i was in a minister all through that period and i have to put my hand up and say, you know, we got it wrong, badly wrong. and one of the things you got to remember is that the obr, who are the kind of overlords of the whole growth narrative, and the whole growth narrative, and the treasury consult them, and they are the ones who say whether you've got a big fiscal black hole or not, they score immigration positively because they see mass migration as as a benefit because it's increasing the economy. but you're quite right to say that if you look at it head by head, you know, per head, that those that progress isn't made. but i think there's a broader problem. i think, you know, the socialist budget that
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we had, the high tax environment. i was just having a dnnk environment. i was just having a drink with someone who has to have 90 days. he's leaving the country. he's someone who would have paid about £200,000 in tax. he's an american. there's a lot going and he's leaving and that's just one person. so if you multiply that over over thousands and you multiply that over five, ten years, that they would have stayed, that's a huge amount of money. billions actually. yeah. that we're losing . and we're getting people losing. and we're getting people who are coming in who aren't, you know, adding much to the pot, as it were. >> laurie, you know, the point i made to rob, this would have been an impossible debate to have without being screamed down five years ago. but there is a problem here, isn't there? gdp per capita falling as consistently as this? >> yes, i live outside london. >> yes, i live outside london. >> i live in devon now, and i don't see so much of what we've just been talking about here. i see a lot of underinvestment in things really important for our local economy. so our roads are terrible and that is impacting people's ability to move around. there's now all these roadworks.
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that means the vehicles can't move around. the public transport is very poor. the reduction in the cost of bus fares was it was a transformational policy for a lot of people in the local economy. here. the investment in education skills is low. it's a place that feels like it has been left behind. we have been told that there are these left behind places in britain and they still feel left behind, but they've not got the investment to ensure that their economies can can sing and they can't. >> i don't know where in devon you live, but certainly i've seen the traffic in south devon. it's almost unbelievable. yeah. so devon, in fact, has suffered in a different way from mass migration that the population increase in devon, cornwall as well, has impacted life. but what about the economics of this? you know the point. i mean, the argument i'm making is that mass migration is making us poorer. >> i again, i'm going to take my specific experience where i see the economy working in the west country, and we have a situation where certain jobs are not filled. we have a problem with housing as well, and it's not
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necessarily a mass migration that's leading to that. those housing costs being so high, particularly for young people. we have a problem with house building in the south west. we have the problem with second homes, with airbnbs. >> in the. >> in the. >> but let's but let's face it, i mean. the mass migration. i mean, let's be very frank about this. it's not affecting it won't affect devon in the way that it affects london. i mean, i've lived in london all my life and you can't move. yeah. you know, the traffic certainly post covid has been terrible. worse than i've ever seen it. if you try and get into a cab or whatever, you know, you might as well just walk. but because there's total gridlock and it's not just about roads, it's about schools. it's about hospitals. >> access to gp, all of that. >> access to gp, all of that. >> all of that. and clearly, you know, one has to be honest about this. the impact of migration on pubuc this. the impact of migration on public services. because, you know, frankly, if they come here and people are poor, they want to use public services. it's completely natural. >> i mean, you know, kwasi is making your arguments and yet and yet it seems to me i get the
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treasury point that they see this as a good and it increases gdp. but it's the big employers want this too, isn't it? >> well, absolutely. and i think laurie raised an interesting point about the lack of investment that we're seeing in people's skills. i think there needs to be an expectation, especially if we take the care sector as an example. that's one of those areas where we've seen mass migration use to plug those gaps, because we're hearing that there aren't enough british people prepared to do those roles. but you look at those companies that are actually running these big care homes, these companies, they're paying themselves huge dividends to actually just fleece effectively the care sector in this country. so i think we need to really start recognising that there are many, many avenues and levers that we can be pulling back to increase the investment in the british workforce. it's all very well and good recognising, you know, we've got several million people economically inactive, but why aren't we doing more to encourage them to work? >> in a sense, laurie, what does happen here? and i've watched this and i think i'm right about this and i think i'm right about this is cheap labour is a drug for the big employers. they love it. just give us cheap labour. and effectively, i think what
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you're getting, if you think i'm wrong, you tell me. but i think what we're getting in many, many sectors is the minimum wage becomes the maximum wage. and that's bad for british workers at the lower end of the income spectrum. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but we also need to encourage industries that would enable higher wages as well. and that's thatis higher wages as well. and that's that is an investment problem. another another big issue with treasury and obr is that the models that they use, they don't necessarily understand how investment takes a while to pay off. and that penalises investment sometimes. that's right. because it means that when you're doing these projections, i mean, you know this more than i do when you're doing those projections, you won't get the results that say, yeah, yeah, sure. if you invest in a big way now, sure you won't get the benefits tomorrow, but my goodness, we'll have a better future. >> this is the problem with the model. i mean, that was why, you know, we came a cropper with the mini—budget because we were trying to reduce taxes in order to make the economy grow and incentivise that, but they just score it in literally in year
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zero. right. so they're not looking at the dynamic effect. >> a barrier to growth. >> a barrier to growth. >> i think i think it is. it was set. >> up. >> up. >> by george. i think it is. >> by george. i think it is. >> rachel reeves sort of almost. >> rachel reeves sort of almost. >> well that was the problem. so the issue that we had was we tried to circumvent the obr, and that was one of the reasons the market freaked out was because the obr hadn't scored our budget. i said we'd have to make it another announcement. and of course, the big the third rail of british politics is that nobody, even conservatives, frankly, were very reluctant to try and reduce spending. now, the logic of the obr is that if you keep spending more money, you've got to find money to fund it. well, and you either cut spending, which no one, no politicians are willing to do, or you try and get more tax revenue. >> final thought on this segment, if we can. rachel reeves said she worked at the bank of england for a decade. it's five and a half years, one of which was a student. >> at cambridge or wherever she was. >> rachel reeves said that she was an economist at the bank of england. it appears, actually she was more in the customer
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service. there's nothing wrong with that but department. and now we get up. and interestingly, the bbc today, who were pretty cautious on these type of things, are saying that she left her boss when she worked there under an expensive cloud she had. she was one of 19 mps that had a serious expenses problem in 2015, i think had a cod parliamentary card taken away, taken back. and i just wonder, laurie, i mean, it's a little bit like starmer and reeves as ever, chancellors and leaders. that's right. is she vulnerable? >> i don't necessarily think she's right now because the labour are so, so electorally strong. and we've not necessarily seen strengths from the current tory leader. i also think that this story, what it doesisit think that this story, what it does is it shows that think that this
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