that these days, don't we.7 lack that these days, don't we.7 we've lack that these days, don't we? we've unexpectedly had some economic growth. so maybe we're turning a corner after all. are we? keeping me company tonight? my we? keeping me company tonight? my panel. i've got a new face. matthew torbitt, the former labour adviser alongside him. i've got returning face kelvin mackenzie, the former editor of the sun. but before we get stuck in, let's cross to the news desk and give you your 6:00 news headlines. >> good evening. it's just gone. 6:00. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines from the bebe newsroom. the german chancellor has called for an afghan suspect arrested in munich to be punished and deported. olaf scholz made the comments after a car ploughed into a crowd, leaving at least 30 people injured, some critically. meanwhile, the alternative fur deutschland party, who are the

second place in the polls, also seized on the incident, with co—leader alice weidel posting on social media platform x saying should this go on forever migration? turn around now. german police have arrested a 24 year old asylum seeker who was detained at the scene. officials say the suspect was known to the police for theft and drug offences. authorities also say the driver was alone, but eyewitnesses reported two men in the mini cooper. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says kyiv will not accept any peace deal agreed by russia and the us, without its involvement. this comes after the kremlin confirmed ukraine will, of course, take part in any peace deal negotiations. it follows donald trump claiming he and vladimir putin had agreed to start talks on ending the war immediately. in other news, an inquest into the death of a 12 year old girl who said she was raped by an older boy has found

none of the authorities who had contact with her could have prevented her death. our north west reporter, sophie reaper has the details from outside liverpool crown court. >> well, this afternoon, the coroner told the court here in liverpool that samantha halliwell had a complex social history outlining the various stresses that the 12 year old had faced, including the two alleged rapes in early 2021. however, despite the family's arguments that more could have been done by various services across the board to try and save samina's life today, the coroner has ultimately ruled that nothing more could have been done to save 12 year old simona halliwell. >> two men accused of attacking police at manchester airport have denied assaulting police officers after a video of the incident went viral. 20 year old mohammed ahmad faces multiple charges, including causing actual bodily harm to two

officers. his brother, 25 year old mohammed ahmad, is charged with injuring a male officer dunng with injuring a male officer during the brawl at terminal two. a female officer suffered a broken nose and two officers remain under investigation for potential misconduct. both men had their unconditional bail extended after they entered not guilty pleas at liverpool crown court. and king charles and queen camilla have been met by a large group of anti—monarchy demonstrators on their visit to middlesbrough today. the royal couple were greeted by the republic's large yellow placards reading not my king, with protesters chanting the phrase as they arrived. the king and queen were in the north—east city to learn how the town is supporting its residents across a range of issues, from mental supporting its residents across a range of issues, from mental health concerns to knife crime. health concerns to knife crime. those are the latest gb news those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to headlines. now it's back to michelle. michelle. >> for the very latest gb news >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone. sign direct to your smartphone. sign

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a treat for your ears, isn't it? there's no escaping us and that's just the way we like it. look, very serious matters that we've got to start the show with tonight. very tragic, infuriating, frustrating. despair. i mean, what words do we now use to describe the scenes that we've seen unfold again on european soil today? i'm speaking, of course, of the fact that nearly 30 people have been injured, some of them now in a critical condition. and, you know, if he was following the news today, you would have heard everyone talking about, you know, this car has driven into them like we've got some kind of self—driving cars now that are randomly going about doing all of these awful things. well, no, actually, that car was rammed into innocent people by a man that we now know to be an asylum seeker from afghanistan. and you guessed it, he was known to the police. i'm getting so

sick and tired of kind of talking about these horrific stories. i personally sit there and i've had my head in my hands today, and i've been thinking to myself, what have the leaders of europe done? what have they done to this continent, to these countries? and i don't say it in past tense, i say it, what are they still doing? what is happening to our nations? well, i despair. >> to start with, in germany, of course, chancellor merkel. right. revered as the great, great one, you know, friends with russia, friends with friends with afghanistan, friends with afghanistan, friends with afghanistan, friends with anybody will take a million migrants in. and it's turned out to be a political disaster as well as a human paying disaster as well as a human paying a price disaster, a human disaster for lots of people in germany. every so often, something like this happens. all this is going to guarantee is that the afd move from second in the polls, probably up to joint first. and there may be problems. there may be problems

about forming a government in germany now, which used to be one of the great kind of commercial powerhouses of the world, and now completely on its backside. and what i also don't like, chancellor schulz is completely useless. he reminds me of starmer, actually totally useless. almost everything he does turns out to be wrong. we'll stop. we'll stop the nuclear. we'll never do this. and now they haven't got any electricity even probably coming up to our prices. but i feel sorry for the people of germany, because every time they hear of anything, they always know, oh, it will be a migrant. it will be a muslim migrant. that guy in 2016 was told, you can't become a german and we're not going to allow you in. we are now nine years later. and yet here he is by islamic madmen, actually trying to kill as many people as he can. i feel desperate, but actually we can't even say in our own country that something similar doesn't happen. you ask the people of manchester how

they feel about some of the migrants. >> i do have to point out there'll be a lot of people watching this that will say, you know, it's not an islamic guy, it's an islamist guy. and people will try very hard to make the difference between the two things. matthew, where are you on this? >> there's only one place you can be. and that's obviously, first of all, thinking of the families. it's awful. it sounds like a tired old line, but you struggle to find words for stuff like this. and kelvin spoke about the people of manchester. i from manchester, who was living in manchester at the time and knew of people that died in the awful attack at the manchester arena and was there sort of the next day wondering what to do, offering help and whatever else. so i wouldn't say ispeak whatever else. so i wouldn't say i speak with firsthand experience, but when these events come, you worry. it's a very similar thing. i think ultimately, whether it be germany or this country, we have to look at changes to the asylum system because, as it currently stands, for you to be considered if you are a genuine migrant asylum seeker, you've got to present yourself at that country. and this is why we currently have people crossing

the channel, causing all sorts of chaos, as well as people losing their lives. and i think if you made changes to the fact and made it more digital. so at the moment we have chaos in syria, which has been ongoing for some time, but now the country is in a very bad way. you are almost certainly going to have people from syria making their way across countries to try and come to england. they will more than likely have family members here. they may have legitimate reasons to come here, but why can't you have posts? therefore, in turkey, they're going to have to come through turkey to get here and they are processed at turkey. this is not, you know, a sort of rwanda scheme. >> you're right. sorry. >> you're right. sorry. >> just hold on one second. because with respect, i think that the point here is slightly been missed because for me and for a great number of my viewers, it won't necessarily be about the semantics of how do you process people? there's got to be a cold, hard, honest conversation and an acceptance. i think, among the political class, not just in this country, but across broader western

nations, there's a harsh reality and there is a harsh fact. there are some people that are so incompatible given their belief system, or should i say their belief system is so incompatible with the way that we choose to live and that we enjoy to live in the west, which is a free, relatively or used to be anyway, a relatively safe, where there are some belief systems that some people hold that are just incompatible with that. when they then come to these countries, they want to cause us harm. and unless the powers that be, the political powers that be will actually accept that fact, i don't actually see how you can move forward. >> so i think as regards. >> so i think as regards. >> to that fact. >> to that fact. >> i think we can move forward. and i think there are people that are compatible because you have to ask the question. >> do you accept that? well, if you're compatible, you're not a problem, are you? i'm not talking about the people that are compatible. i'm specifically talking about there are some people that hold belief systems

that are entirely incompatible with the western world. >> and that has always been the way it is, always. >> do you think that's accepted and do you think, actually, we should start with that as a premise? and once you establish that premise and everyone accepts that premise from there, you build policy, whatever that may be. >> i suppose the issue with building policy around that is, how do you know this, that they want you were always going to have people that will lie. unfortunately, this this fella appears to have been known to the to the authorities. that therefore is an issue of why the authorities are either not sharing information properly, whether they are sharing information, whether this could have been stopped. we've seen it in this country over the years, but i don't think you should also judge a whole country of people or culture of people by awful incidents like this, because not everybody. >> do you think there's a consistency of their attitudes? whoever they are, whether they are, they are. let's just accept they are a minority. but hell's bells, they're a dangerous minority. wouldn't it be much easier then simply to say we

aren't going to take in such people, wouldn't it? and that way we just stop bombings. we stop killings, we stop the stabbings of people that we know. not maybe. maybe. what's wrong with that? >> sorry to interrupt. >> sorry to interrupt. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> go on. maybe in our country. and that would be great. the issue is, if you look at this, this fella's come from afghanistan. that's largely our fault. the way we the way we left it and all the rest of it, we all saw those scenes. >> it is not our fault. the fact that afghanis come to various countries in europe and bomb us and stab us, but it is not. it is not our fault. they are a they seem to be a very violent, nasty people, an entire nation made up of these people. >> and i agree, i did not say it's our fault that they're coming here to do that. it is our fault that people are fleeing. it's our fault. the fact that the taliban are back in power, it's our fault that the country is in a worse position than it ever was. so therefore, what do you do? do you ignore your international obugafions you ignore your international obligations and go, well, we've made a mess in the middle east again, so we're just going.

>> to go on. absolutely i do if we have made a mistake. and actually, as far as i know, the west is constantly trying to make things right in the middle east and elsewhere. right. we just simply say that's the end. so the thing about trump, right, he is now said that is the end. and biden said that was the end in afghanistan. after all, russia also had to go in afghanistan. loads of people have tried to kind of organise and kind of westernise and liberalise these places. they don't want to be liberalised. the their basic tenant of life, their religion makes them want to be what they are. i frankly have come to the end of wanting to have an open door policy, even if they are allowed to become here. so i have changed my mind on this. i'd rather have our people alive. i don't want any more innocent people killed by people i know not and care not for. >> i know, but then what's the practical reality of like? >> you have to. you have to do a reform. you have to do a reform. unfortunately, i, we are literally going to turn turn them back. we are going to have to turn these people back. after

all, they almost invariably everybody on that boat comes from follows islam, i mean, our nation. i saw a piece of pure research the other day saying that we're going to end up with 18 to by by 2015, 18 to 19% of the country will be will be muslim. well, actually, i don't want to see that. i don't even want to see that. i don't even want to see the politics of what happened to the labour government, the labour party in the last general election. imagine what that looks like with 18 or 19% of the country of the voting population. it will be a nightmare. >> but i do have to say though as well. i mean, i make this point often, my very best friend in the whole world, she's a muslim. i think it's very well documented. my ex—partner is a muslim. they're not terrorists. they wouldn't, you know, my best mate. he's not going to get in a car and go ramming down children. i've spoken to her today. she's as horrified as what i am about what's unfolding? >> how can we tell them? how can we tell whether to allow somebody in who looks like a

decent person, or your friends who are muslims? how can we tell that that person over there actually has bad thoughts in their mind? the answer is don't allow anybody in. but then why should i take the risk? why should i take the risk? why should i take the risk with my family? >> which is lovely, but we have enough people here, born here from all different religions, all non religions that also have badideasin all non religions that also have bad ideas in their mind. and this comes back to whether it's the idea of a bloke or his, whether he feels ostracised or whatever. this is not to give him any sort of sympathy, but we need to get to these people before they get to that. >> feels ostracised. >> feels ostracised. >> the people that tend to commit terrorism tend to commit for several different reasons. and these are complicated reasons, one of which can be ideological. that may turn out to be the case. therefore, maybe he isn't compatible with how we live in the west. others . we've live in the west. others. we've seen lone wolf style attacks in places like plymouth whereby people, you know, they involuntarily celibate and all the rest of it, we there's something wrong with young men. and the way they're getting

angry and angry from west, east, all the rest of it that needs to be tackled. and we don't talk about it enough in this country. i don't think. >> honestly, i just absolutely despair. i just it makes me feel really sad. it makes me just feel really hopeless. it makes me feel worried for the future. what is the answer to all of this? do you do you have the answer? what practical things can actually be done across europe in this country? what could actually be done? what could actually be done? what could actually, i don't know, has it all gone too far? because when i'm saying to you what could be done, i feel there's a small part could be done, i feel there