>> clive myrie right now. >> clive myrie right now. >> welcome to the real world. i'm lee anderson and tonight on the show we have the comms director of the institute of economic affairs, reem ibrahim. he's back the notting hill nuisance matthew stadlen also got the former world champion darts player keith deller, and doctor and dna expert ahmed khan. but first, let's go to the news.

>> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines at 7:00. jd vance has warned britain and the eu over what he claimed was backsliding, free speech and democracy. addressing the munich security conference, the munich security conference, the us vice president suggested there has been a retreat of fundamental values in europe. vance also praised munich's hospitality, despite the city reeling from yesterday's car attack that left 30 injured. a 24 year old afghan asylum seeker responsible has been arrested and is due in court. vance warned that the biggest threat facing the west is not external but the threat from within. >> i worry the most about vis a vis europe is not russia, it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry aboutis external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within. the retreat of europe from some of its most fundamental values, values shared with the united states of america.

>> in other news, an nhs children's surgeon has been suspended after nine surgeries fell below expected standards. a review was commissioned in october after colleagues raised concerns about the doctor. the review was completed in january and looked at the number of complex paediatric hip surgery cases performed at addenbrooke's hospital over two and a half years. now it may be valentine's day, but love is not in the air for bolt, uber and addison drivers who are striking today, causing travel chaos across the uk. thousands of drivers are logging off during peak hours today in a campaign for better pay today in a campaign for better pay and working conditions. the strike action is taking place across the country from 4:00 pm until 10 pm. tonight, and meghan markle has released a new image of her and prince harry together on valentine's day. it comes just hours after the prince and princess of wales shared their first ever

valentine's day post. william is seen kissing kate on the cheek as they sit in a wooded area. the image, taken from a video released last year when she ended cancer treatment. the couple shared it on their official x account with a heart emoji. those are the latest gb news headlines. more in an hour. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone. sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to the qr code, or go to gbnews.com/poll. >> william kedjanyi. >> william kedjanyi. >> welcome to lee andersen's real world. i'm lee anderson, the reform uk member of parliament for ashfield, and joining me tonight on the show. she's back the very lovely reem ibrahim of the institute of economic affairs and gb news favourite, matthew stadler. and he's back to lock horns tonight. so look guys, this week we've seen more nonsense coming from

from that madhouse that i work at, and we've seen a decision where a judge is allowing to allowing a gazan family to claim to come to this country through the ukrainian scheme. this is madness, surely. really? >> yeah, it's absolutely madness. and it is effectively, as suella braverman said, human rights gone wrong. i mean, basically what's happened is they've allowed the scheme that's already being used for ukrainians and there are a couple of different schemes that we currently have for specific asylum claims. so, for example, for ukrainians, you've got a couple of schemes for hong kong people from hong kong and indeed a small number of those ukrainians themselves. the fact that a palestinian has been able to claim on this scheme and claim asylum on this scheme, just shows that the scheme itself doesn't work. but what i thought was particularly interesting is kemi badenoch, the leader of the conservative party, and her strategy towards attempting to criticise starmer for this policy. now keir starmer was wrong when he said at prime minister's questions that this was a policy that was

allowed under the last conservative government. however, when she asked him about the scheme, he said i'll look into it. we'll try and close the loophole to be fair to him. and she continued to berate him. and she continued to berate him on the exact same topic, not moving on , and just entirely moving on, and just entirely unable to move on to this particular question. so i think what's interesting here is the scheme itself is entirely wrong and absolutely needs to be fixed. and the human rights element of it, that conversation needs to happen. but also, if we get an answer from government, we should be able to look into that and scrutinise it specifically. >> okay guys, just just have a look at this clip from gb news earlier this week, what suella braverman had to say on the subject. >> well, it's an egregious example of human rights gone wrong. and this case is a very bad decision and it presents very terrible consequences, potentially for our immigration system. the basis upon which this judge has reached his conclusion is flawed, and it represents a constitutional abomination, frankly, a great and bad example of judicial

overreach. >> so, matthew, obviously, i tend to agree a little bit with what reem has to say and what suella had to say. what? >> i thought you were entirely neutral. >> i listened, but you can have an opinion, matthew. i'm sure you have on this subject. >> if you've got an opinion. no, not neutral. what do i think about this? starmer has been quite clear that this loophole will be closed. quite. how it is closed isn't so clear. my understanding is that he was wrong, as reem says, to say that this was allowed this claim under the tory government. the claim was rejected while the tories were still in power, and when labour came into power, it was allowed on appeal. that doesn't mean it's because there was a labour government. so if there is a loophole which there seems to be, or the judge has interpreted it as such, it appears, then that is a legacy of the previous government. but on the substance of it, clearly it seems to me that the ukraine

scheme should not be able to be used by asylum seekers from other countries. i mean, it is the ukraine scheme. >> surely. >> surely. >> but there is a but there is another question. starmer is clear about that as well. but there is another question. and thatis there is another question. and that is we've all seen the utter devastation that has befallen gaza. and some people will blame israel, some people will blame hamas, some people might blame both. i would blame both. what we do know is the extent of the human suffering there. unbelievable numbers of children simply ripped out of their homes with nowhere to go. are we? are you guys saying that we should take no palestinian refugees at all? matthew, why do we take ukrainian refugees? why do we take people from hong kong? why would we not take some people, some people from palestine? >> those are entirely different issues.i >> those are entirely different issues. i mean, hong kong, i think is an entirely different issue to ukraine. ukraine is obviously a war in europe. so there's a there is a strategic interest here.

>> and hold on a minute, reem, just, just just to clarify this, matthew, we took women and children from ukraine to keep them safe. >> not fighting aged men. >> not fighting aged men. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> why do you keep talking about fighting aged men? because we don't know the rhetoric. you know what that's doing that is trying to save the. >> martell have. >> martell have. >> a say. it's not about the rhetoric. it's about fundamentally, women and children are much more vulnerable than fighting aged men. why are you calling. >> fighting age men? why they are working age men? >> i'll tell you what the clues are. >> the dark age men. are you suggesting they're coming over here to fight? well, well. >> the clue is in the title. fighting age. men should stay in their own country and fight for. >> are you saying that palestinians should be fighting israel? sorry. all right, let me ask you the question. i've got to be allowed to ask the question. are you both suggesting that palestinians should be fighting israel? >> hold on. >> hold on. >> that's the question. what's the answer? what's the answer? >> the point is, they are already fighting the islamic government. hamas. hamas? >> hamas are fighting israel. are you suggesting. >> you're. >> you're. >> fundamentally men in palestine should be fighting israel? >> matthew. matthew. what you're fundamentally misunderstanding

is. >> tied up in knots. >> tied up in knots. >> you're talking. you're talking about the language that i'm using and saying that that's somehow some kind of negative rhetoric. it's not inflammatory because there's a war going on. so they are fighting. are you are you? >> this is insane. hamas is fighting. hamas is fighting. are you suggesting that fighting. hamas is fight