refugee program. >> the unhinged responses to j.d. vance's speech proved that he's right. >> i'm an agony aunt for a zimbabwean paedophile. sorry. >> what is the government hiding? your jaw is going to drop. >> and you so—called free speech warriors are nothing but a bunch of snowflakes. >> it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. a very good evening. and a very warm welcome to the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i'm thrilled to welcome back kai willsher. fresh from a carbon spewing flight from a carbon spewing flight from the oil kingdom of saudi arabia after a weekend in kai's company, i have word that prince mohammad bin salman took one look at the soho supremo and concluded, right, that's enough of that. he couldn't possibly

allow alcohol at the saudi world cup. after witnessing our very own gender neutral non—binary pronoun panellist in action. it was a sobering experience for the de facto leader of the arab world, so much so that, thanks to kai, any proposed liberalisations are likely going to be reversed or indeed tightened. oh dear, oh dear. the crown prince is, of course, notorious for neutralising threats are to him and his regime and, well, our very own alex armstrong isn't any different. poor patrick christys was guilt tripped into surrendering his own show last night, so that our scheming schemer could seize the chair for himself. go see bridget jones for valentine's day, said. >> alex. >> alex. >> no doubt booking the carver. christie's their tickets himself before ditching his own partner in favour of his one true love

telly airtime. meanwhile, doctor and he has been so overwhelmed by wrestling and overexcited willy and dodging alex, the assassin armstrong, that she's fled abroad for some much needed r&r. the glam gp keeps sending me snaps from her villa. it's a cruel taunt from britain's most fabulous medic, but hey, she wouldn't be the first gp to work from abroad, would she? standing in for her is a woman that makes the left tremble. emma. tremble. and speaking of will, my friends are wandering. willie is on the hunt for love. he's scouring gbnews.com/yoursay as we speak, desperately hoping to find a valentine's vixen to take down unden valentine's vixen to take down under. at this rate, his next saturday five appearance will be via satellite from itv's love island. but willie isn't the only sticky wicket we're watching tonight. a brand new poll opens at 6 pm. and closes

at 8:30 pm, with a special reveal at 845. head to gbnews.com/poll to vote for your favourite of the five because unlike labour's local elections democracy, it exists here, my friends. and as ever, each of our punchy panellists will make their arguments and then it's game on. expect things to escalate faster than rachel reeves champagne expenses on the company card. i jest, of course, she denies all allegations and we want to hear from you. drop us a line at gbnews.com/yoursay. but for the love of god, please keep your willy related dating applications pg. and before we

of course britain can't i say, of course britain can't risk nugget related trauma. and another one, dear darren. i'm a pakistani paedophile. they want to deport me, but my kids might miss me. what do i do? i say don't panic. just say separating families is cruel. after all, it's only british children at risk. dear darren, i failed asylum seven times. have you any

tips? yes. my friend's become

asylum seven times. have you any tips? be s. my friend's become asylum seven times. have you any tips?be gone.friend's become you, be gone. >> but these are extreme cases, i'm sorry, extreme cases. and actually the way they've been characterised. >> seven of them, in. >> seven of them, in. >> the way you're characterising them is in order to create panic and to overexaggerate actually what is going on. so let me. >> ask you a very straight question then. and that wasn't meant to be funny. the message. what would your message be to the families who live around the paedophile who was told that he could stay in britain because he has to take care of his children, not a safeguarding risk at all. what would your

message be to the parents of children who have to live around this? >> he should be in prison and if he served, if he served his time. >> he should be able to stay. >> he should be able to stay. >> in then, then, then we have to have a way of people who who commit crimes, then being re—entered into society, surely. be deported. >> surely why should he not be deported? >> because if he has a legal right to stay in the uk, then he's our responsibility. and we have, we have we have a pattern here of shirking responsibility for people who are legally allowed to stay. >> shirking your. by the way, emma, i called you emma webb. i'm so sorry. emma trimble. emma trimble. >> it's all right. i'm transitioning. >> yes. >> yes. >> you are. >> you are. >> how do you identify? yeah. >> how do you identify? yeah. >> the problem is the interpretation of the law. right. so this guy who was allowed to stay despite being convicted for paedophilia was allowed to stay on the basis of his right to a family life because he has two toddlers who he is not allowed to live with anyway. but even if he was, that's a ridiculous way of interpreting the right to a

family life. never mind the danger that he poses to british children here. there was another case where there was a guy who had been convicted. we couldn't deport him. one of the ways that they got him to win his appeal was on the right to a family life again, and his kids had beenin life again, and his kids had been in prison for various crimes themselves. so what kind of family life are we talking about here? so the i actually yes, to some degree the law is the problem. but the problem is also the way that activist judges are interpreting that law, and it puts everyone at risk. and my view personally is that if somebody say you mentioned, you know, somebody who might be discriminated against back in their own country and because they've been convicted of paedophilia here, well, my view is if you don't want to get deported, don't commit a crime. it's not our responsibility. if you've committed a crime, it doesn't matter what happens to you when you go back to your country. >> i couldn't give a damn what happens if they go back there? >> a decision was made by someone whose father was a guardian writer, who was an activist in favour of palestine.

the judicial activism and the mission creep is a real significant problem. >> it really is. and i also want to go back to something that kai was saying about it being the tories fault. and don't get me wrong, i hold the tories in contempt for not changing these laws. i really do, and i've not been clear about that ever. but actually this goes back to tony blair. he adopted massive amounts of these ridiculous laws into the human rights, human rights laws that he created, which are also supported by the echr. and we can't get rid of them. and the tories certainly couldn't get rid of them without labour saying, you're all dictators. you want to you want to overthrow the human rights bill, which is again, a very, very difficult thing for tories to do without being slammed on the front pages for being called dictators and fascists. >> do you believe that we have a duty of care to foreign paedophiles? like kai does? >> i'm on national television at the moment, so yes. no, i don't believe that we have a duty of care to foreign paedophiles. i think emma hit the nail on the head that even if we do get out of the echr, which i think we should, the ideological capture

of the bench. >> i. >> i. >> agree, means that even if we get out of that awful convention, they're going to interpret other laws in a way which will seriously damage this country. i think that's where we need to start. how do we address the ideological capture of the islington class of judges that are now taking over this country? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well not happy. >> well not happy. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well they have, they have, haven't they. he's absolutely right. the judiciary run this country. so even if you vote for change it doesn't matter because they're going to be an activist judge who's interpreting the law in a way that it suits them. he's right. >> impugn the judiciary in this country as you all are, is just awful. and that undermines trust in the entire. >> list of things. >> list of things. >> to happen. >> to happen. >> you just got a list of things from darren kai. you just got a list of things. >> that actually damn the politicians who, you know, 14 years of tory government failed to repeal the laws that tony blair enacted. if it was, agree. >> i agree, i agree. >> i agree, i agree. >> i agree, i agree. >> i blame the tories. you did the judges. >> the thing you can interpret a law in any way you see fit, and

particularly with these types of human rights laws that can be interpreted very human rights laws that can be interpr