>> trump has. >> said thirow,e's a >> trump has. >> said throw, so a >> trump has. >> said throw, so more front ina in a moment. but first, uk privacy row, so more front pagesin uk privacy row, so more front pages in a moment. but first, pages in a moment. but first, what do you make of this? on the what do you make of this? on the front page of the guardian, front page of the guardian, saying that starmer is going to saying that starmer is going to calm the row with trump. i can calm the row with trump. i can imagine him in the car park of a imagine him in the car park of a wetherspoon defusing a wetherspoon defusing a situation. >> exactly. he's here. situation. >> exactly. he's here. >> exactly. he's here. >> exactly. he's here. >> finally. everyone can relax. >> finally. everyone can relax. >> finally. everyone can relax. >> starmer is going to sort it >> finally. everyone can relax. >> starmer is going to sort it all out. he's going to calm all out. he's going to calm everything down. >> calm down. this is far right everything down. >> calm down. this is far right thuggery. >> he's decided he's best thuggery. >> he's decided he's best friends with macron. and friends with macron. and zelenskyy. zelenskyy. >> and he's. decided that. >> and he's. decided that. >> and he's. decided that. >> it's this. >> and he's. decided that. >> it's this. >> it's this. >> idea that. putin and trump >> it's this. >> idea that. putin and trump against these guys. against these guys. >> it's ridiculous. >> it's ridiculous. >> it's ridiculous. >> isn't it? as if he's as. >> it's ridiculous. >> isn't it? as if he's as. >> powerful as this. >> powerful as this. >> powerful as this. >> headline is making out, like >> powerful as this. >> headline is making out, like he's going to walk in and save he's going to walk in and save the day. i don't think that's the day. i don't think that's the day. i don't think that's the day. i don't think that's the case. >> i guess, though, the case. >> i guess, though, historically, nick, britain has historically, nick, britain has been the sort of the linchpin, been the sort of the linchpin, the conduit between america and the conduit between america and europe. yeah, but that's when. europe. yeah, but that's when. >> we were. >> we were. >> we were. >> we were. >> sort of. >> sort of. >> did stuff and were respected >> sort of. >> sort of. >> did stuff and were respected in the world. >> we could like we had ships. in the world. >> we could like we had ships. >> and things. >> and things. >> and things. >> and some. >> and some. >> money, but no, i know. >> money, but no, i know. >> what you mean. >> what you mean. >> yes. >> yes. >> trump has.

>> trump has. >> said that. he's a gone out. he's making quite different noises to what, you know, vance and pete hegseth and, you know, other people who've been, you know, over in europe and spoken about ukraine, who've said that, you know,

essentially american aid is -.............., ...... ........, going to continue in some to continue in some going to continue in some fashion and, you know, military fashion and, you know, military support. and there's going to support. and there's going to be, you know, america's not be, you know, america's not pulling out of nato. but then pulling out of nato. but then trump's like, i'm doing i'm trump's like, i'm doing i'm doing all of that. and i'm not doing all of that. and i'm not sure how. i'm not sure if it's sure how. i'm not sure if it's just playmaking before he just playmaking before he strikes a deal, you know, to strikes a deal, you know, to lure putin into thinking he's in lure putin into thinking he's in a better position than he is. a better position than he is. >> is it just narcissism? >> is it just narcissism? >> is it just narcissism? >> is it just narcissism? >> is it just narcissism? >> i don't. >> i don't. >> know if you heard any of the >> is it just narcissism? >> i don't. >> i don't. >> know if you heard any of the fox interview. it was mostly him fox interview. it was mostly him saying moo moo moo. it wouldn't saying moo moo moo. it wouldn't have happened if it was for me. well, quite have happened if it was for me. yeah. which might be true. and yeah. which might be true. and bnan yeah. which might be true. and brian kilmeade, the guy bnan yeah. which might be true. and brian kilmeade, the guy interviewing him, he was trying interviewing him, he was trying to say yes, but it is. it is to say yes, but it is. it is putin's fault, isn't it? mr putin's fault, isn't it? mr president? and trump just kept president? and trump just kept talking over him and kind of wouldn't actually acknowledge talking over him and kind of wouldn't actually acknowledge that. that. >> well, my theory on that is >> well, my theory on that is and i've developed this theory, and i've developed this theory, having seen that trump has said having seen that trump has said that putin hates zelenskyy with that putin hates zelenskyy with a tremendous passion. so my a tremendous passion. so my theory is trump to sort of lure theory is trump to sort of lure putin in keeps saying anti putin in keeps saying anti zelenskyy stuff. and then putin zelenskyy stuff. and then putin will think they're friends like will think they're friends like oh he heard zelenskyy as much as oh he heard zelenskyy as much as me. and then trump does the me. and then trump does the switcheroo on him. art of the switcheroo on him. art of the deal switcheroo on him. art of the deal. suddenly he's taken away deal switcheroo on him. art of the deal. suddenly he's taken away most of russia and he hasn't most of russia and he hasn't

noticed. this is my theory. noticed. this is my theory. well, yeah, because he has spoken. american american diplomats have spoken about taking the $300 billion of russian assets that have been seized overseas, which haven't been haven't been touched. and using that as a sort of lever and redistributing them to rebuild ukraine and also rebuild within the russian, within the territories that russia's taken. yeah. but haven't they also simultaneously talked about taking 50% of ukraine's minerals? yeah. trump wants this ludicrous deal. he was like, we'll own all your stuff. but in the art of the deal, he speaks about going in with the most ridiculous, you know, you ask for like 50 trillion and then, you know, when you just want when you just want £10, but because you've asked for 50 trillion, the guy will be like, well, i'll tell you what, i'm giving you £20 and think that he's got an amazing deal, when in fact, you know, you would have started on £20. >> do you think it's all about the minerals then, and not about stopping the killing of innocent young men? >> oh, well, some of it's about minerals, but. mineral. yeah. like leo says, that's just an

initial ridiculous offer. >> play it down again. in the fox interview, he was like, oh, maybe they have minerals. maybe they don't. immediately know what's over there. >> i mean, in fairness, he doesn't sound like he's i mean, although trump i appreciate he's got a wide portfolio. he's got, you know, the whole united states and some would say the entire world on his on his plate. but he was unaware that 700,000 ukrainian children had been trafficked to russia to be exploited. and, you know, a lot of them will have ended up in, you know, paedophile rings and things like that, which the republicans have traditionally, particularly the maga republicans, have been against child trafficking. yeah. was he unaware or is that part of his flatter putin strategy at the moment? you notice he's admitting barely any, that putin's basically never done anything wrong. they even got him to say, but you do accept he started the war and now he's kind of quasi accepting. he's like, yeah, yeah, i guess he started it. but he's a great quy- started it. but he's a great guy. that seems to be his tactic. yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. also be interesting to see, because they're sort of pushing the idea that zelenskyy is unelected even though he was elected, but because there's a war on, you know, delayed

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war on, you know, delayed electi0|moving we've got the mean? moving on. we've got the telegraph, nick, with the ukraine story and some other stories. yeah. pm to defy trump with new aid for ukraine. and this is this mad idea from starmer. and this is what i meant to say. i don't understand how he's going to be diplomatic with trump and get on with trump, meanwhile saying he's going to continue to aid ukraine on his own. this is what he's talking about. he's talking about announcing further sanctions on, you know, on russia and further aid for ukraine, even though the whole idea is the war is winding down. so i'm very sceptical about how he's going to do this. he's also going to announce finally that he'll be doing this 2.5% defence budget by 2030. lord dannatt has already said 3.5 is what we need and i'm sceptical about all of this. how are we going to carry on aiding ukraine without the us backing? it's completely absurd. pete hegseth said he won't back the troops. us won't back the troops with article five if you know they're on the border or whatever it is. so that would make them sitting ducks. that's nato. we don't have the number. yeah, but how can we do it without being backed by. we've been doing it without nato already. i mean, like ukraine is

not in nato. who tried