goodwin. it starts right now. now i'll also be joined tonight by my top panel columnist and former mep, patrick o'flynn and founder of novara media, aaron bastani. as ever, let me know your views at gbnews.com/yoursay and hit me up on at goodwin mj. now it�*s time for the news now it's time for the news bulletin with sophia wenzler. >> matt. thank you. good evening. it's just gone. 8:00 these are your headlines. donald trump has confirmed president zelenskyy will visit him on fhday zelenskyy will visit him on friday to sign a very big agreement. the us president held his first cabinet meeting at the white house since his inauguration last month, joined by his billionaire adviser elon musk. attention quickly turned to the minerals deal with ukraine. >> president zelenskyy is going to be coming on friday. that's

now confirmed, and we�*re going to be signing an agreement, which will be a very big agreement. and i want to thank howard and scott for the job you guys did in putting it together. really did an amazing job. and that will be on rare earth and other things. i think that. >> he went on to say the united states would not be making security guarantees for ukraine in its deal to end the war with russia, but that europe would. meanwhile, downing street has confirmed that zelenskyy will meet with sir keir starmer and other european leaders in london on sunday. it is thought that mr zelenskyy is planning to make the trip to discuss defence. elsewhere, sir keir starmer has refused to say if the deal to give away the chagos islands to mauritius would be funded by the increase in defence spending. the prime minister told the commons that the increase to 2.5% of gdp is for our capability on defence and security in europe, and

described the deal being negotiated with mauritius as extremely important for our security. tory mp kieran mullan asked sir keir during prime ministers questions to give an unequivocal answer on where the money would come from, but the prime minister declined to say whether the money for the deal would come out of the increase in defence spending. meanwhile, reform uk leader nigel farage has been in the commons voting on the chagos islands deal motion and has sparked outrage by suggesting we sell it to america. >> would rather see america have the sovereignty of the chagos islands that are corrupt, that are corrupt. mauritius, why don't we if we're if we're going to give this up, let�*s sell, to give this up, let's sell, let's sell. let's get a few billion quid for the mauritius islands, for the chagos islands. mauritius has no legal basis, no legal claim. and you know what investment would come that chagossians could go back and get well—paid jobs. i want us to

keep sovereignty. but if you're keep sovereignty. but if you�*re prepared to give away this country's interests, sell it to america. don't give it away to america. don�*t give it away to corrupt mauritius. >> gb news can exclusively reveal more than 2000 small boat migrants have crossed the channel illegally since the start of the year. the latest group of 138 arrived last night, brought into dover by border force after being picked up in uk waters earlier. another boat was intercepted after some on board refused french rescue and continued towards britain. the government is pushing new laws to criminalise those who reject rescue, as labour vows to smash the gangs. and the vatican has said pope francis's condition has improved slightly and his mild kidney problems have been resolved. the vatican also said the pope's ct scan has shown a normal evolution of the pulmonary inflammation. those are the latest you�*ll be news

are the latest you'll be news headlines. now it's back to matt. >> for the very latest gb news direct your smartphone. sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com/advent. >> malcolm grimston. >> malcolm grimston. >> welcome back tonight to state of the nation with me, matt goodwin. now the prime minister, sir keir starmer, is on his way to the united states of america for his meeting tomorrow with president donald trump. and a new opinion poll released this afternoon shows that a majority of the british public think that the prime minister will be bad at negotiating with donald trump. but the outcome of this meeting may well define the special relationship between the us and the uk for the next four years. which is why tonight i want to ask, when will prime minister keir starmer start standing up for the national interest? after all, it was vice president jd vance who said

interest? after all, it was vice presidentjd vance who said this president jd vance who said this at cpac, a big conservative conference in america last week. >> i�*m not even blaming the >> i'm not even blaming the europeans. i'm actually saying you follow the lead ofjoe biden into censorship and mass migration. follow the lead of donald j. trump, and that's free speech, borders and sovereignty. >> free speech, borders, sovereignty. but how is keir starmer doing with pursuing our own national interests? first, there's the disastrous chagos deal that could see the government not only give away sovereign territory of strategic significance, but also give mauritius as much as £18 billion for the pleasure. how many winter fuel payments, i wonder, would that cover? we also see the government's secret new bill the government�*s secret new bill thatis the government�*s secret new bill that is going to allow the uk government to align uk regulations with the eu as a matter of default, a complete affront to the vote for brexit. the labour cabinet, of course, is also filled with britain hating masochists like david lammy, who apologised for who we

are, who think that we should be ashamed of our history and should pay reparations for what happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago. with labour's decriminalisation of illegal migration, which of course now we must call irregular migration, we also see a refusal to control our own borders. labour has refused to put a cap on legal immigration, illustrating a lack of will to control this enormous issue as well. some of you may remember the time that the prime minister, keir starmer, then leader of the leader of the opposition, said this. >> you have to choose now between davos or westminster. >> davos. >> davos. >> why? >> why? >> because westminster is too constrained. >> i�*d really like to know if >> i'd really like to know if keir starmer still believes that. and i wonder what donald trump would make of it too. does he think that the true source of power in this country are the elites in davos, or does he think the true source of power in this country? are you the taxpaying, hard working people?

the sooner the prime minister realises that jd vance was right, that the biggest threat to the uk is not china or russia, but is actually coming from within our own societies. the propensity to curtail freedom in the name of liberal orthodoxy, and that we must pursue the national interests as soon as the special relationship can be reinvigorated, reinvigorated, and we can see the return of the uk's relevance on the world stage. as ever, let me know your views via gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me at goodwin. but i'm joined now by the director of the margaret thatcher centre for freedom at the heritage foundation. live from washington dc, nigel gardner. nigel, an enormous moment for keir starmer. the first time he�*s sitting down with donald trump since the election victory. some, of course, will be wondering why it's taken so long for a labour prime minister to meet with donald trump. could you give us a sense as to how team trump are going to be approaching and thinking about this important negotiation with keir starmer?

>> well, thanks, matt, for having me on the show from from washington, as you point out, of course, hugely important meeting for, for keir starmer. i have to say that the image of, of the uk right now under starmer's disastrous socialist labour government, is really hitting an all time low. i mean, certainly in terms of the last few decades or so. and i think that starmer is viewed in the united states as a sort of woke lefty figure, somebody who is completely on a different planet in many respects to the way in which donald trump thinks. and you highlighted, of course, j.d. vance's excellent comments to cpac last week and also his earlier comments to the munich security conference, where vance spoke about the need to protect freedom of speech in the uk and across across europe. and vance is saying what any british leader should be saying, which is that freedom of speech is sacrosanct. it should be

protected and preserved. and so i think this this is going to be a tense meeting between trump and starmer, because ideologically they're completely different. and, you know, donald trump is a is a very revolutionary leader who is revolutionary leader who is fundamentally transforming not fundamentally transforming not only the united states, but only the united states, but also, i think, the world with also, i think, the world with his leadership. and you look at his leadership. and you look at keir starmer and how he is keir starmer and how he is betraying his own country, of betraying his own country, of course, with the chagos islands course, with the chagos islands deal course, with the chagos islands deal. and it�*s like night and deal course, with the chagos islands deal. and it�*s like night and deal. and it's like night and day in terms of, of, of real deal. and it's like night and day in terms of, of, of real depth and quality and leadership depth and quality and leadership there. >> niall, just let�*s zoom in on there. >> niall, just let�*s zoom in on that chagos deal in westminster that chagos deal in westminster today. nigel farage has given a today. nigel farage has given a speech which is already going speech which is already going better viral, in which he suggested viral, in which he suggested that, look, if we're going to that, look, if we're going to give away our own territory, why give away our own territory, why don't we give it to the don't we give it to the americans? why don't we sell it americans? why don't we sell it americans? why don�*t we sell it to the americans under donald americans? why don�*t we sell it to the americans under donald trump? i mean, that's almost trump? i mean, that's almost trump? i mean, that�*s almost certainly going to come up trump? i mean, that�*s almost certainly going to come up tomorrow in the questions to tomorrow in the questions to keir starmer and trump. in terms keir starmer and trump. in terms of questions from the media, how of questions from the media, how do you think that suggestion do you think that suggestion will go down in washington? will go down in washington? >> well, it's a very interesting >> well, it's a very interesting

idea. and of course, as far idea. and of course, as far better idea than, you know, keir starmer's proposal to simply give away the chagos islands to mauritius, which happens to be, of course, a close chinese ally. this threatens the long term future of the us base at diego garcia, the whole chagos islands surrender is absolutely insane, and keir starmer is not only

2.5%. is that going to win him any favour in team trump? is that going to perhaps win him at least some mild applause at the meeting tomorrow? >> of course, it's always good when the uk increases defence spending, but 2%, 2.5% of gdp is not going to wow the us administration. donald trump's been talking about european allies increasing defence spending to 5% of gdp. and so what starmer is saying here, i think is a last ditch effort to save face. i don't think it's save face. i don't think it�*s going to impress president trump and the us administration. theyll and the us administration. they'll see through this really they�*ll see through this really as a rather cynical exercise by by keir starmer, who who previously refused to commit to even 2.5% of gdp. 50 i think they�*ll see this really as a they'll see this really as a sort of last, last gasp sort of political exercise. and the uk should be spending at least 4%

of gdp, frankly, on on defence, you look at poland, it spends 4.1% of gdp on, on its defence. and the uk is a far richer nation than, than poland. and i think that, you know, keir starmer, he just doesn't come across as a serious politician, america british territory, i think oas �*complicates america british territory, i think oas a implicates america british territory, i think oas a ymplicatpolitician, serious leader, frankly. he's a across as a serious politician, serious leader, frankly. he's a million miles away from winston million miles away from winston churchill or margaret margaret churchill or margaret margaret thatcher. it�*s very sad, thatcher. it�*s very sad, actually, that he is the prime actually, that he is the prime minister today. minister today. >> well, ngannou, thanks for >> well, ngannou, thanks for your analysis. we�*ll look your analysis. we�*ll look forward to reading more of it forward to reading more of it tomorrow as this historic tomorrow as this historic meeting unfolds. now i want to meeting unfolds. now i want to bring in my panel. patrick flynn bring in my panel. patrick flynn and aaron bastani. patrick, what and aaron bastani. patrick, what are you going to be watching are you going to be watching tomorrow? what are you going to tomorrow? what are you going to be keeping your eyes on? be keeping your eyes on? >> well, i�*m certainly hoping >> well, i�*m certainly hoping >> well, i'm certainly hoping >> well, i'm certainly hoping that the chagos deal collapses. that the chagos deal collapses. i actually think nigel farage i actually think nigel farage has made a mistake today, has made a mistake today, because i'm sure the vast because i'm sure the vast because i�*m sure the vast majority of reform voters, and because i�*m sure the vast majority of reform voters, and perhaps activists, they�*re perhaps activists, they�*re patriotic for britain. they're patriotic for britain. they're very interested in a lot of very interested in a lot of stuff that donald trump's doing. stuff that donald trump's doing. but the idea we should be trying but the idea we should be trying to contrive a way of handing to contrive a way of handing america british territory, i america british territory, i

think overcomplicates think overcomplicates things. i think overcomplicates things. i think the overwhelming feeling in the country is, this is british territory. let's stop giving away british territory. full stop. i also think, actually, i expect the day to go all right, because whatever you think about starmer, he�*s he's think about starmer, he's he's done a couple of things. he's

think about starmer, he's he's donwell. nuple of things. he's >> well. >> well. >> i think. >> i think. >> it�*s impossible. >> it's impossible. >> it's impossible. >> to know how it will go. i think you made a very compelling argument there a moment ago. what the gentleman said a few seconds ago in regards to british defence spending, saying we need to be spending lr% british defence spending, saying we need to be spending 4% of gdp on defence is just extraordinary. that would be an extraordinary. that would be an extra £35 billion a year. and i think this is really important to say that. >> it's only twice what we're spending on foreign aid. >> well. that 15 was close to three times. but the point is this. and after by the way, after these cuts, actually foreign aid is going to be reduced to about7 foreign aid is going to be reduced to about 7 or 8 billion. >> so two thirds of. >> so two thirds of. >> the so five times what's remaining of foreign aid. the uk spends 10% of its government spending on servicing its public debt. productivity hasn't grown for 18 years. we have a net debt to gdp ratio of about 100%. the fundamentals are very bad. we also had an emergency budget in january, and i feel like people like that gentleman there. but also, by the way, many people in the government don't understand what is happening to the country, don't understand at the

macro level how structurally we're in a very bad place. and keir starmer said his first responsibility is national defence security. i totally agree. but you don't do that. you don't pursue a strategy to you don�*t pursue a strategy to ensure national security and defence by creating a debt crisis, which is what you would do, by the way, if we started spending lr% do, by the way, if we started spending 4% of gdp on on military spending when we've got all the fundamentals i just mentioned. >> but how do you think donald trump is going to be viewing this meeting and looking in at the uk from the outside? i mean, we are directly undermining america�*s strategic interests by selling off the chagos islands, the labour ministers, the labour party that you know and have been involved with for a period of time have been very anti trumpian in the things that they�*ve said. i mean, walking in they've said. i mean, walking in they've said. i mean, walking in the room, there's going to be a cold breeze. a very noticeable chill in the white house, is there not? >> well, 100%. i mean, you had you know, david lammy was, you know, mr resistance when it came to the first trump presidency, although it's important to say

starmer never got on that train. and i think that does count for something with team trump. i really don't know. i think something with team trump. i really don't know. i think donald trump is an incredibly donald trump is an incredibly capricious individual. i capricious individual. i wouldn't be surprised if he wouldn't be surprised if he comes at that meeting tomorrow comes at that meeting tomorrow saying keir starmer, great guy, saying keir starmer, great guy, really happy with what they�*re really happy with what they�*re doing. on defence spending doing. on defence spending equally. i wouldn't be surprised equally. i wouldn't be surprised equally. i wouldn�*t be surprised if he said chagos terrible deal, equally. i wouldn�*t be surprised if he said chagos terrible deal, awful britain, complete failure. awful britain, complete failure. farage needs to be pm. i have no farage needs to be pm. i have no idea. >> patrick, there is this idea. >> patrick, there is this question about when is keir question about when is keir starmer going to stand up for starmer going to stand up for our national interests now and our national interests now and saying, well, you know, he's not saying, well, you know, he's not doing that by ignoring the doing that by ignoring the deeper structural problems in deeper structural problems in the country. i would point to the country. i would point to chagos. i would also say cosying chagos. i would also say cosying up chagos. i would also say cosying up to the eu, a declining bloc. up chagos. i would also say cosying up to the eu, a declining bloc. we should be positioning we should be positioning elsewhere. but but there is a elsewhere. but but there is a question, isn't there here about question, isn't there here about when is keir starmer going to when is keir starmer going to actually represent our national actually represent our national interest? >> well, indeed. and he's also interest? >> well, indeed. and he's also >> well, indeed. and he�*s also the government's entered into >> well, indeed. and he�*s also the government's entered into talks with, if i would use the talks with, if i would use the term grifting commonwealth term grifting commonwealth regimes about this whole idea of regimes about this whole idea of

us paying reparations

>> well, the us has in its constitution a fundamental, codified rights of freedom of speech. and that jibe was codified rights of freedom of speech. and thatjibe was made notjust speech. and thatjibe was made not just in speech. and thatjibe was made notjust in reference speech. and thatjibe was made not just in reference to speech. and thatjibe was made notjust in reference to us, but also germany. and i'm. >> beginning to think we should have that. >> i think we should. i think we should, and i don't think that�*s a left right thing, by the way. i think we should. and if you care about free speech, i think it's probably necessary. >> i find i�*m agreeing more and >> i find i'm agreeing more and more with aaron as. >> he is. >> he is. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> well. >> well. >> the point is, you know, in a society where you have incredible levels of political, ideological homogeneity, yeah, maybe you can get away with a convention uncodified constitution. that's simply not the world we live in anymore. you have social media. anybody can say anything anytime. how do you protect that without a constitutional right to free speech? i don't think you can. >> sure. well, thank you to my panel. now, after the break, we're going to be turning to debate whether labour's new definition of islamophobia get. this could fuel the sensitivities that led to the rape gangs scandal. we�*re going to be talking about this important new change. you really need to know about it. so i�*ll see you in a couple of minutes.

i�*ll welcome back to state of the nation with me, matt goodwin. now, we�*ve just been discussing keir starmer and donald trump's big meeting tomorrow. you've been writing in june says jd vance was right about this country. we've lost the right to free speech. we've got too many illegal migrants. and if we speak out about our concerns, we get called far right. where is the money coming from to give mauritius? and why are we giving away an island that we own? another viewer says, i hope donald trump tells him what an absolute mess he's making of the absolute mess he�*s making of the uk, and tells him to grow a spine and become a patriot instead of selling out the british people. big time. keep your views coming in. of course your views coming in. of course you can hit me up on x at goodwin mj. now, a new policy exchange report has warned against the government's potential plans for enshrining its adopted definition of islamophobia into law. the report reveals the troubling extent to which accusations of

islamophobia are being used as a way to suppress the exposure of the grooming gang scandal, and how enshrining this definition could lead to more censorship. i�*m joined now by the broadcaster and commentator fahima mahomed. welcome to the show. are you in favour of labour's definition of islamophobia? >> well, there isn't really anything set at this moment in time where we can be scared of. i think that there does need to be some sort of recognition and acknowledgement that there is some anti—muslim discrimination, and it is on the increase and rise and this, you know, think tank, this sort of policy that you've just mentioned, it is only focusing on something which is the grooming gangs in sort of consideration as being some sort of like, you know, a real issue that if we were to talk about it, it is going to be islamophobic. but i don't see that being said anywhere. >> well, just to be clear, the reason they're saying that is the original appg report, the

all party, all parliamentary party group report on the definition of islamophobia from 2018, specifically, which was endorsed by labour, was endorsed by keir starmer. and labour mps specifically mentioned the grooming gangs as an example of islamophobia. it also specifically referenced things like talking about demographic changes in societies, for example, increases in the share of the population of this muslim as islamophobia. now, many people watching this show would say, well, isn't that stifling debate over these issues? in fact, isn't that exactly what led to these issues being downplayed in the first place? >> i don't think that that is actually necessarily true. i just don't think that, you know, just don�*t think that, you know, if we have these kind of discussions, it does lead to islamophobic sort of, you know, tropes and whatever it is. i do feel that we do need to have open discussion, but the fear of actually labelling these grooming gangs, as in the whole entire community, we have to

recognise that. i do feel there needs to be a definition where we can have free speech and is never going to be where it's going to be blasphemous laws. that's never going to happen in that�*s never going to happen in the uk. i think it's a scare mongering, scare mongering so that they they can say whatever they want. where i think the precedent is already there for anti—semitism, anti—semitic, sort of, you know, ways in which you cannot say certain things or you cannot say certain things or you shouldn't say certain you shouldn�*t say certain things. so that should be apphed things. so that should be applied to muslims, to hindus, to christians. and there's already something set there. so idont already something set there. so i don't see what's the problem. it's just that when it comes to a particular group, they it seems like as if, you know, we don't seem to have the same rights and we don't seem to have the same ways as being looked at to have our freedom of expression and speech and religion. i really do feel that this is just scaring the fact that if we have this sort of definition come in, it's going to take away all this kind of criticism amongst muslims themselves and scholars as well as myself. we do criticise each other, we talk about different things. muslims and islam is not

just one definition nor practice. 50 you can't just say that and make it like as if to say, you know, it�*s going to say, you know, it's going to make it where we're going to have these blasphemy laws, we're going to, you know, basically take on one particular group against the rest of everyone and prioritise this minority group because of their religious beliefs. absolutely not. because we do the same for the jews. why can't it be the same for the muslims in the same respect? >> you say that, but as i say, the original report that that is going to underpin. >> just for that case. >> just for that case. >> well, that was the appg report that was endorsed by the labour party, has a long list of things that it would consider to be islamophobic. again, it�*s not. >> considered to. >> considered to. >> be if i could finish this is why people are nervous because they're not making it up. it's in print. it's been endorsed by labour mps who are now in government. 50 this is why government. so this is why people are asking this question, including references to things like grooming gangs, including references to things like a significant increase in in the share of the population that is muslim, including things perhaps

like discussing why do we have shana like discussing why do we have sharia courts in the uk? i think we should. see that is wrong. >> we don�*t have sharia courts in the uk. >> we have nearly. >> we have nearly. >> a dozen councils. that just >> a dozen councils. thatjust address certain things, which every other. >> religion does as well. ask a question. if we were to have this definition of islamophobia, let's say it's the one that�*s let's say it's the one that's used in the appg report, which is likely given that that was signed off by labour ministers, would you and i be able to have a serious conversation about why pakistani muslim males are disproportionately more likely to be involved in grooming, and for that not to be described as islamophobic? because under that report, i think there is a risk as a broadcaster that i would not go near that debate because i might violate a law that is suppressing free speech. >> i don't think it's going to come to that. i really don't think so. i think in this country, it's never going to happen that way. i think again, it's going to be where we are going to be able to have these

debates. but when it's like a focus, a microscope, right, and a spotlight on one particular group all the time, and also highlighting the ethnicity, the thing we'll do the same for every other gang that is out there. >> in all fairness, though, not not every other group is disproportionately is disproportionately is disproportionately more likely to have been involved in this scandal. so the reason that people are talking about these gangs being predominantly pakistani muslim is because they are. now, i understand that's fine. i understand there is an anxiety about talking about it and nobody. >> no anxiety talking about it. >> no anxiety talking about it. >> nobody is saying. >> nobody is saying. >> it's wrong for what they did >> it�*s wrong for what they did and that�*s fine. we all agree. >> we all agree on that. so what we don't want to be in a position in the future is for us to have a conversation about the grooming gang scandal, or why we have sharia councils in this country, or why schools like the michaela school are being taken to court when they are banning prayer for all children from different religions. they're being taken to court, in some cases by muslim families. >> because that.

>> because that. >> also we don't want. >> also we don't want. >> to be on certain human rights. >> but but you. >> but but you. >> see, it's not even against what you're just saying. that's for every faith. if a jewish person wanted to do certain things, they'd also have a right to do it. it's just that when a muslim does it, then it's regarded as something that, you know, like, okay, i am female. it is really maybe dangerous for a female to go outside and walk in the evening. but no, it doesn't apply to me because i'm brown skin and i visibly look muslim. that's what it comes across as. >> well, i think it comes across as that to certain people. but we might also ask or want to debate why a school teacher in this country is still in hiding, having offended muslims. >> i�*m not here to defend extremist. >> the issue is for many people, when they look at this report, when they look at this report, they see an attempt to stifle and chill free speech and free expression in this country. >> it�*s never going to happen. >> it�*s never going to happen. >> well, let's let�*s see let's >> well, let's let's see let's see if it does or not. but thank you for coming on and debating the issue. now, in a moment, should the uk pay £18 trillion in slavery reparations? yeah,

you heard me. another bonkers number we�*re going to be discussing. you won�*t believe who made this suggestion. find out in a couple of minutes right here. state of the nation with me, matt goodwin. >> dinner under the stars tonight. >> that reminds me of our travel insurance. >> you mean all clear skies. >> you mean all clear skies. >> allclear travel insurance sponsors gb news travel destinations forecast. >> looking ahead to tomorrow. and there's some fairly wet weather affecting some parts of more southern europe. we have a band of rain sweeping in affecting madeira, also portugal and western parts of spain. some stronger winds here as well, a little bit drier across more central parts. some decent sunshine on offer here, but still more unsettled. weather affecting eastern parts of the med towards greece, towards cyprus. there's some heavy rain around but things are looking drier. not necessarily sunny into the weekend. >> allclear travel sponsors gb news

>> welcome back to state of the nation tonight with me matt goodwin. now the chagos islands story just gets stranger by the day. not only has prime minister keir starmer refused to say whether the payment of up to £18 billion to mauritius will be included in the defence spending increase. but now one of the international judges who ruled on the case get this, has chimed in on the reparations debate. patnck in on the reparations debate. patrick robinson, a jamaican judge who previously served on the international court of justice, has claimed that the uk should now pay wait for it £18 trillion in slavery reparations because we have £18 trillion kicking about. well, i�*m joined kicking about. well, i'm joined now by the historian and broadcaster rafe heydel—mankoo, as well as my excellent panel. tonight we've got former mep patnck tonight we've got former mep patrick o�*flynn and founder of novara media, aaron bastani.

rafe. why are people in the elite class so obsessed with the issue of slavery reparations? >> well, it's proof, if proof >> well, it�*s proof, if proof were needed, that the long march through the institution doesn't just apply to national institutions, it applies also to international bodies like the icy. and international bodies like the icj. and you have to understand, none of this is actually about slavery and reparations. this is an avaricious cash grab by the by the caribbean states. and the judge in question here is a long standing reparations activist for the caribbean states. and also from the left. of course, this is an attempt to undermine britain and the west and use the politics of victimhood and post—colonial imperial guilt to do that. and once you look at it through that lens, then you begin to understand the geopolitics here and what's going on. it's no surprise either, that one of the another judge on the icj was a former member of the communist government who now sits on there, who also voted on chagos. russia also tried to influence the k] russia also tried to influence the icj on chagos to essentially add costs to britain as a penalty for its position in the ukraine war. and you know, this

is not about slavery, because if this was about slavery, you would have them equally vocal about the plight of modern slaves today, where seven in every 1000 slaves africans is a slave, 10 million people. the cnn reported that hundreds of slaves are sold every week in libya. there are 800,000 slaves in cameroon. so where are these people protesting? outside the high commissions of niger, of nigeria, outside the sudanese embassy? the fact that they are more concerned about the plight of people 200 years ago, rather than those people we can save today, speaks volumes about all of this. and of course, this thing, about 18 trillion came out at a speech that this judge gave standing next to sadiq khan, a man who constantly lectures britain about its role in the slave trade, wants a museum for slavery. yet he's always telling us that he's the always telling us that he�*s the son of a pakistani bus driver. he went on an official visit to pakistan, the global centre of slavery, and not once did he raise raise the topic that i think speaks volumes. >> we�*ve also read today this >> we've also read today this remarkable story. i mean, i've just shared it on x that we�*re

taking down portraits of people like nelson, probably the greatest naval commander that ever lived. and we�*re putting up ever lived. and we're putting up portraits of yvette cooper now. i can't think of a single thing yvette cooper has ever achieved, apart from losing control of our borders. and that, to me, seems to also play into what you�*re saying, in that people like nelson apparently had some sort of loose connection with slavery. and yet here�*s the slavery. and yet here's the morally righteous, i would argue, narcissistic labour mps like yvette cooper being put up, and simply because i think she's a woman that seems to be the only qualification. i mean, what is going on here? >> well, this is yet again part of the broader war on our histow. it's no, it's no history. it's no, it�*s no coincidence that the people who have been brought down in terms of pictures and so forth are our greatest heroes. you know, the giants of history who were now told are villains. there is no evidence whatsoever that nelson supported slavery. the leading biographer of nelson said the one letter that's held up as evidence was actually doctored after his death. but yet we've seen his portrait go down. we've

had william wilberforce, the abolitionist of slavery, have his picture taken down, and four pictures of elizabeth the first have come down, whilst four of lindsay hoyle, the speaker, have gone up. someone please explain the logic behind that to me. >> aaron, the left hates our history and hates who we are. >> lindsay hoyle, this giant of contemporary politics. i would hope that's not the case. i�*m hope that's not the case. i'm a great big fan of historian histow. i live in portsmouth. history. i live in portsmouth. i would love to do a deal with the right. i would say, look, let�*s right. i would say, look, let's bring a few more things into public ownership and we can have a nelson's column twice the size of the one in trafalgar square. haveit of the one in trafalgar square. have it right. as you enter. >> we're going to get an yvette cooper column. >> let's do the deal. yeah. no, i mean, cooper's column definitely can�*t happen. in all seriousness, i love history, and i think it's very important to have a good understanding of history for better and worse. you mentioned the museum of slavery. there is, of course, already a museum of slavery in liverpool. i'm not averse to that. i think that's i think it's really good that we teach young people everything they should and, and, and need to

learn about british history, from the industrial revolution to the agricultural revolution to, of course, overseas empire. what i'm not happy about necessarily is the way this is litigated in a, in a, in a, in a way that's more geopolitical, way that�*s more geopolitical, which is to say that i think you're right. you know, there are so many people right now with regards to modern day slavery, people trafficking, etc. doesn't seem to be taking that seriously. and yet this is a political football, which we hear about a lot. 18 trillion, by the way. i mean, the us economy is about 25 trillion usd. 50 it's a lot of money. >> patrick. this is exactly what jd vance was talking about, wasn't it? the greatest threat to european nations is coming from within. and i would argue actually, this judge is a great example of that. a guy who's completely out of touch with with the average voter out there. >> right. well, this this jamaican judge, >> right. well, this this jamaicanjudge, my >> right. well, this this jamaican judge, my primary beef jamaican judge, my primaw beef is not really with him. he's doing an outrageous grift to try and get money out of western nations. the responsibility is with the leaders of western nations, particularly with our own government, which which is

entertaining talks with the commonwealth about reparations. right. which is outrageous. and that�*s what started off the that's what started off the chagos deal, incidentally, when the foreign office persuaded the last tory government, with james cleverly, to initiate a negotiation. now, one thing i will say for david cameron, of all people is when he became foreign secretary, he saw it as a pig in a poke and he pulled the plug on it. but we�*d already had nine rounds of talks by then, and it kind of set the basis for david lammy, who has spoken in the house of commons as if he was a caribbean national rather than the british foreign secretary, to drive on the deal with starmer and his international lawyer mates that the fault here is with our own governing class, and that's what jd governing class, and that's what jd vance was 100% correct about, notjust jd vance was 100% correct about, not just the british jd vance was 100% correct about, notjust the british across not just the british across western europe. in eastern europe, they tend to take a rather more robust position. >> i couldn't see the poles or the hungarians tolerating this

kind of approach to their national history. rafe everyone out there is going to be asking the same question. okay, we can sit here and complain about this stuff all day long. what do we do about it? how do we push back against this war on our history, this war on our past? >> well, we need to actually put britain first again, if i can say that both governmentally but also with our education system, we need to have a fair and balanced teaching of our history in schools, which people aren't being taught. they�*re taught the being taught. they're taught the evils of slavery, and everyone should be taught the bad side of the british empire, the bad side of slavery. but never do you hear about the west africa squadron. never is there. is there a call to build a monument to the royal navy's squadron to the royal navy�*s squadron that stopped the atlantic slave trade? there is not enough focus on all the great that the british empire did in stopping abhorrent cultural practices, in enforcing an end to slavery in africa, for example, a great reason to be proud there were more africans held in bondage by other africans than ever crossed the atlantic, and the british and the french stopped them enslaving each other. that's what we need to do. and we need a foreign secretary who realises that being foreign secretary means you don't put foreign

interests first. you put british interests first. you put british interests first. you put british interests first. and unfortunately, our government is prioritising the ideology of post—colonialism over our own national economic and security interests. >> well, thank you, rafe, and i�*m sure many of you out there will be nodding along with what he just said. now, will be nodding along with what hejust said. now, in will be nodding along with what he just said. now, in a will be nodding along with what hejust said. now, in a moment, he just said. now, in a moment, we're going to be looking at the presence of antifa at the reform party's conference the other day in cornwall. i was there, i saw it all firsthand. i saw it all play out. it was truly horrific. we're going to be talking about that a couple of minutes. see you shortly.

see welcome back to state of the nation tonight with me, matt goodwin. many of you will know that earlier this week, the reform party hosted an electrifying conference in cornwall. 0n electrifying conference in cornwall. on monday evening, a huge turnout, about 1000 people there. i was among a number of speakers who spoke to that crowd

of reform supporters and members, and also interested members, and also interested members of the public. but what i wasn't expecting was the turnout of the radical leftist group and tifa, who began trying to barricade the door and intimidating members who were trying to attend. i saw one member of the security team being physically assaulted, in fact, losing a tooth in the process. what i wanted to ask tonight as a result of all of that is, was this really actually a trailer for the next general election is what is a mainstream democratic political party with more than 200,000 members now going to be facing intimidation and harassment from a violent extremist group like antifa. well, i'm joined tonight by my panel columnist and former mep patrick o�*flynn and founder of novara media, aaron bastani. patrick, i was taken aback at the level of violence that came from antifa members who are so brave and courageous that they wear balaclavas. what's going on

here? >> well, i mean, it is very worrying because was it falmouth? the. >> this was in redruth. >> this was in redruth. >> in redruth. well, you know, that takes a lot of effort to get to if you're not from that part of cornwall. >> five hours on a train. >> five hours on a train. >> right. so this, this speaks >> right. 50 this, this speaks to quite a level of militant and deliberative organisation. i'm quite sure they probably shipped a few students in. but in terms in terms of the police allowing people from one wing of politics who are very hostile to people who are very hostile to people who are very hostile to people who are gathering for a peaceful meeting, allowing them to pick it outside with face coverings, with masks, i think is disgrace. >> and just to add to that, the venue was also being used by schoolchildren who were attending swimming lessons, right? and families having to walk through this antifa violent protest. and the police, as far as i could see, the police were doing basically nothing. >> yeah. what i would like to ask the police who are in charge of that, let�*s face it, we�*ve

got the temperature in our politics is rising all the time. if one of those antifa thuggish people in a mask had pulled out a knife and stabbed or stabbed someone who was a reform person going to the meeting and then melted into the crowd, well, they wouldn't have been able to they wouldn�*t have been able to easily detect who it was and the fact that they allowed people who were hostile and aggressive to be masked up to face members of the public and people from an opposition political perspective, i think that's just outrageous. i've always believed in the phrase show your face in a public space, and i think our police need to get back to that. >> aaron, why are there people on the left who resort to violence and intimidation rather than accept? this is a perfectly democratic, legitimate political pa rty? party? >> well, i wouldn�*t even say it's necessarily a left right thing. >> but these people are clearly. >> but these people are clearly. >> sure. but you're describing these things, and ijust feel like this is a failure of the police. there's a public order

situation which wasn't being monitored and subsequently law wasn't being enforced properly. well. >> the. relevant policing is one part of it, but let's let's focus on the antifa thing. why can't these people seem to accept that the reform movement is not an extremist organisation? >> well, they think it is. they obviously think it is. and we live in a pluralistic, democratic society where people can have contrasting views. what i would say, matt, is if i was in your situation, let's say i was going to i�*ve been in similar situations, but nothing quite like that. if i was going into a building and there was some sort of left wing rally and there were hundreds of people protesting against me and similar things happen and somebody had a tooth knocked out, i would be pointing the finger at the police because you can have several hundred people protesting 99% or 95% of them protesting. 99% or 95% of them can be very well behaved. law abiding citizens don't want to abiding citizens don�*t want to cause a problem. 2 or3 individuals can completely change that, as in, you know, look, can i see that? and that? that to me is a question of policing and law enforcement. >> let me just flip that scenario around for a minute. when i was watching your pal

jeremy corbyn campaign in british politics, somebody who i considered to be an extremist, i sat there and thought, well, we live in a democracy. i think he should be able to hold rallies. i think he should be able to hold marches. i wasn't turning up hold marches. i wasn't turning up hiding behind a balaclava, getting in the way of kids, going to their swimming lessons and trying to knock out members of a of a democratic party with five members of parliament. and you say it isn�*t a left right you say it isn't a left right issue.| you say it isn't a left right issue. i don't see people on the issue. i don�*t see people on the right doing this. i just see these lunatics in antifa and similar organisations doing this, and i'm worried about where we're heading as we go towards the next general election. reform number one in the polls. i think there should be sensible voices on the left, dare i say, yourself included, who should actually be saying if we want to cool the temperature in this country, people like antifa should protest peacefully, not use violence? >> well, i think nobody should be using physical force and >> well, i think nobody should be using physical force and nobody's tooth should be knocked nobody's tooth should be knocked out. obviously. i think that i out. obviously. i think that i should also add, though, should also add, though,

throughout the entirety of most throughout the entirety of most of his should of his labour leadership, 2015 to 2019, almost every single day the press were camped outside jeremy corbyn�*s front door. so this idea that somehow the left gets away with it and you know the right is mistreated, that has not happened to any political leader in this country before, hasn�*t happened since. i have no idea what keir starmer's front door looks like, or nigel farage for that matter, but i do. i do agree with you to this extent today. it's reform. it�*s extent today. it's reform. it's the right tomorrow it could be the right tomorrow it could be the left. and we have to guarantee freedom of speech, freedom of political association. >> just briefly, patrick, are you concerned about where the country is going as we head to the general election reform? number one, you've got labour number one, you�*ve got labour mps saying we need to protest all the big reform conferences. >> yeah. and i think a lot of labour mps, probably up to keir

in cornwall. leisure centre in cornwall. officers attended in order to ensure the safety of those present and prevent any potential breach of the peace. there were reports of minor issues that occurred between protesters and cou nter— protesters, protesters and counter—protesters, which were cou nter— protesters, which were brought under control counter—protesters, which were brought under control by officers. no arrests were made. thank you to my panel. up next is patrick christys patrick. what have you got on your show this evening? >> lows coming your way. matt, would you give up me, your car and your money all to fulfil ed miliband's net zero fantasy list? all of the things that they want you to give up. robert jenrick is joining me live on the chagos surrender deal. has starmer fudged the defence numbers on that? our political editor, christopher hope has been locked. still is actually on an aeroplane with the prime minister on his way to washington. he's got some washington. he�*s got some exclusive lines for us that i can reveal to you at 10:30. and why did sadiq khan not want there to be a grooming gang enquiry for london? we pick all of that apart, so stay tuned.

>> oh splendid stuff, patrick, just while you're while you're just while you're while you�*re there. i mean, it's notjust there. i mean, it's not just sadiq khan, is it? it�*s also sadiq khan, is it? it's also bradford. a lot of these local areas don't seem to want to lift the lid. >> i wonder, and i wonder why that could be, matt. but we�*ll talk about that live on my show. >> indeed. well, that's all >> indeed. well, that�*s all coming up after the weather now. i�*ll be back tomorrow night right here on state of the nation with me. matt goodwin, as ever. thanks for tuning in. i will see you tonight. i will see you tomorrow at 8 pm. right here on state of the nation. stay here for patrick christys. up stay here for patrick christys. up next. >> even though we'll see a cloudy start, it�*ll be a bright outlook for the rest of the day. boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. it's time for >> good evening. it�*s time for your latest gb news weather update from the met office, and ihave update from the met office, and i have some good news if you're i have some good news. if you're hoping for some fine weather as we go towards the very end of meteorological winter, high pressure is building and so the

frontal system that's brought frontal system that�*s brought quite a bit of rain today and then showers following behind, is all going to get cleared away because of the high that's coming in from the west. that being said, we do still have some showery rain around as we go through overnight across parts of, well, northern england into the midlands, also across parts of wales. and there could be some sleet or snow for a time over higher ground, but away from the cloudier zones there will be some clear skies and under the clear skies, temperatures taking a bit of a dip, a touch of frost quite likely, especially across parts of scotland. the sheltered glens could drop a few degrees below freezing. elsewhere, most towns and cities just about holding up above freezing. but across scotland it's generally going to be a bright start tomorrow for many places. those showers across some northern and western coastal parts, in particular a few showers for coastal parts of northern ireland too. but across the bulk of england and wales, apart from a few showers towards the southwest, it�*s looking largely dry away from the far east, across parts of lincolnshire, east anglia, even towards kent and london. a bit cloudier here and some blustery

showers around coastal parts, but a lot of this will ease away as we go through into the afternoon. otherwise there will still be a few showers towards the northwest, but not that many and actually a good deal of bright sunny spells to be had. a bit sunnier than today. for many of us though, temperatures not rising that high. highs around 8 or 9 in the north and 9 or 10 further south. after a cold, frosty night for many overnight into friday, friday is actually looking like another largely fine day. even more sunshine on offer and dry for most of us, though, towards the far northwest there is going to be a bit of cloud building in later, and that�*s because there's and that�*s because there�*s a front arriving, and that's going to bring some wet weather to northern parts as we go into the weekend, but staying dry and fine towards the south by by. >> there will be a light breeze in the morning leading to a warm boxt heat pumps

>> it�*s 11:00. >> it�*s 11:00. >> which means it's time for tomorrow's newspapers tonight. join us. >> over the next hour. >> over the next hour. >> to. >> to. >> find out. >> find out. >> who is dominic cummings now supporting? who is saying that you can't eat fry ups? and what is trumpland? i'm josh howie and is trumpland? i�*m josh howie and tonight i�*m joined by paul cox tonight i'm joined by paul cox and nick dixon to take you through thursday's top stories. this is headliners. >> yes. >> yes. >> but before we get to tomorrow's news, let's go to tonight's headlines with sophia wenzler. >> josh. thank you. good evening. these are your headlines at 11:00, sir keir starmer has warned that vladimir putin will attack again unless america agrees to underwrite the

security of ukraine after a peace deal has been signed. speaking on his flight over to the us tonight, the prime minister also made clear that he was considering deploying british troops as part of a wider european force in ukraine. but he said it would be a decision not taken lightly and relied on continued involvement of us forces in the country. it comes after donald trump confirmed president zelenskyy will visit him on friday to sign a very big agreement. the us president held his first cabinet meeting at the white house since his inauguration last month, joined by his billionaire adviser elon musk. attention quickly turned to the minerals deal with ukraine. >> president zelenskyy is going to be coming on friday. that's now confirmed, and we�*re going to be signing an agreement, which will be a very big agreement. and i want to thank howard and scott for the job you guys did in putting it together. really did an amazing job. and that will be on rare earth and