for your company. on ukraine's president zelenskyy. on ukraine's president zeienskyy. it was an zelenskyy. it was an extraordinarily heated conversation, which donald trump quipped would make very good tv. well, here's a clip to see now. >> i think it's good for the american people to see what's going on. i think it's very important. that's why i kept this going so long. you have to be thankful you don't have the cards. you�*re buried there. your cards. you're buried there. your people are dying. you're running on soldiers. you�*re running low on soldiers. you're running low on soldiers. you're running low on soldiers. you're running low on soldiers. it would be a damn good thing. and then you. then you tell us. i don't want a ceasefire. i don't want a ceasefire. i don't want a ceasefire. i don't want a ceasefire. i want to go, and i want this. look, if you can get a ceasefire right now, i tell you, you take it. so the bullets

stop flying and your men stop getting killed. >> of course we want to stop the war. >> but you're saying you don't >> but you�*re saying you don't want to ceasefire? >> i said to. >> i said to. >> you, i want a ceasefire. >> you, i want a ceasefire. >> guarantees. >> guarantees. >> because you�*ll get a ceasefire faster than any agreement. >> people about ceasefire. what they think. >> that wasn't. >> that wasn't. >> with me. for you. what? >> with me. for you. what? >> that wasn't with me. that was with a guy named biden who was not a smart person. >> that was your. >> that was your. >> that was with obama. >> that was with obama. >> it was your president. >> it was your president. >> excuse me? that was with obama. who gave you a and i gave you javelins. yes. i gave you the javelins to take out all those tanks. obama gave you sheets. in fact, the statement is obama gave sheets and trump gave javelins. you got to be more thankful because let me tell you, you don't have the cards with us. you have the cards, but without us, you don't have any cards. >> one more question, mr vice president. i'm sorry. it'll be a tough deal to make. >> because the attitudes have to change. >> what if russia breaks ceasefire? what if russia breaks

peace talks? what do you do then? i understand that it's a heated conversation, right? >> what are you saying? >> what are you saying? >> she�*s asking, what if russia breaks the ceasefire? >> what if they. what, if anything? what if a bomb drops on your head right now? okay. what if they broke it? i don't know, they broke it with biden because biden didn�*t respect because biden didn't respect him. they didn't respect obama. they respect me. let me tell you, putin went through a hell of a lot with me. he went through a phoney witch hunt where they used him and russia, russia, russia, russia. you ever hear of that deal? that was a phoney. that was a phoney. hunter biden, joe biden scam, hillary clinton, shifty adam schif'f it was a democrat scam. schiff it was a democrat scam. and he had to go through that. and he had to go through that. and he had to go through that. and he did go through it. and we didn't end up war. and he went through it. he was accused of all that stuff. he had nothing to do with it. it came out of hunter biden�*s bathroom. it came hunter biden's bathroom. it came out of hunter biden's bedroom. it was disgusting. and then they

said, oh, oh, the laptop from hell was made by russia. the 51 agents. the whole thing was a scam. and he had to put up with that. he was being accused of all that stuff. all i can say is this he might have broken deals with obama and bush, and he might have broken them with biden. he did. maybe. maybe he didn�*t. i don't know what didn't. i don't know what happened, but he didn�*t break happened, but he didn't break them with me. he wants to make a deal them with me. he wants to make a deal. i don�*t know if he can deal. i don't know if he can make a deal. the problem is, i�*ve empowered you to be a tough buy: i�*ve empowered you to be a tough guy, and i don't think you'd be a tough guy without the united states. and your people are very brave. but you either are going to make a deal or we're out. and if we're out, you'll fight it if we�*re out, you'll fight it out. i don't think it's going to be pretty, but you'll fight it out. but you don't have the cards. but once we sign that deal cards. but once we sign that deal, you're in a much better position. but you�*re not acting at all thankful. and that�*s not at all thankful. and that�*s not a nice thing. i�*ll be honest. that�*s not a nice thing. all right. i think we've seen

enough. what do you think this is? this is going to be great television. i will say that. >> all right. thank you. all rig ht. >> right. >> we�*ll see what we can do about >> putting it together. thank you. all right, guys, let's go. guy anker. you guys, come on, let's go. >> we�*ll see. >> we'll see. >> we'll see. >> i don't know. all right guys, guys. come on. please. hey, come on, let's go, let's go, let's go buys: on, let's go, let's go, let's go guys, come on, let's move. guys, come on, let�*s move. please, please. >> thank you. well, that was indeed extraordinary television and most remarkable press conference there between donald trump and volodymyr zelenskyy and, of course, j.d. vance there. and with me in the studio to discuss this extraordinary press conference. i've got former labour adviser matthew torbitt and political consultant alex dean. matthew, alex, the most extraordinary press conference there. yeah. where trump accused zelenskyy of not being thankful. really? he's doing politics exactly as he does business, isn't he,

matthew? >> yeah, he's been bankrupt >> yeah, he�*s been bankrupt several times, so i wouldn't take that route if i was him. i was astounded, like most people, ithought was astounded, like most people, i thought it made very awkward viewing to say to sort of democratically elected leader of a sovereign nation, you know, to treat him as if he�*s some sort treat him as if he's some sort of tin pot dictator as much as he may view him, as that is not the case. and i think one of the most striking things he said was, i've emboldened you to be was, i�*ve emboldened you to be a tough guy. these these guys been leading his country through war for nearly the last three years or over three years. now, donald trump�*s the same man who reportedly made up the fact that he had a poorly little ankle and couldn't go to war in vietnam. he wouldn't know war if it looked him in the face. he's not got any courage whatsoever. and it felt actually probably the way he does do business, i would imagine, as quite bullying you. as soon as he turned up. we didn't see the scenes there. as soon as he turned up, he's going, oh, look, he's dressed up today for me to try and mock him immediately in front of everybody. and you've got two on everybody. and you�*ve got two on one there with vance. despicable

lack of statesman like behaviour. >> and i think alex, these are the kind of discussions that you maybe would expect world leaders to have behind closed doors, but not in front of the world media. absolutely exceptional. >> extraordinary television, totally in favour of people who are going through the kind of experience that the ukrainians are going through, having a frank discussion with their most significant benefactor, the americans. but not like this. i mean, we�*re back in the green mean, we're back in the green room, and you're very nice guy who looks after security here @gbnews said, should they be talking about this in public? the makeup guy said, oh my god, the whole room was just frozen in horror that this was playing out on our televisions. i mean, my personal view, first of all, it makes you realise quite how well keir starmer's visit went. right. | well keir starmer's visit went. right. i say that as a tory because this is the alternative, absolutely extraordinary. but the second thing is this is just deeply unedifying for all concerned. but i completely accept matthew's point that the bigger offender is donald trump. it did look like two on one with vance backing up trump. i know they're on home turf, but still

there is such a thing as a visual. it did look bullying and i�*m often accused on this channel and elsewhere of being a trump apologist. very hard to make any sort of excuse for this. i mean, just notjust extremely bad manners, but the nofion extremely bad manners, but the notion that you should play out this kind of conversation in public. we are we are habitually accustomed to people saying this will embolden vladimir putin. if you spilled your tea now on your laptop, someone will say, this will embolden vladimir putin, but this really will embolden vladimir putin. >> no, not not at all. trying to be a trump apologist because i you know, i do think that manner of treating somebody who, regardless of whatever you think about zelenskyy as a leader, he is the representative of the ukrainian people and his office deserves respect, even if you choose not to respect him as a person. but i suppose what the american public will see is they have spent $350 billion, or however much it is, it's disputed on ukrainian weapons. and they now believe, or at least trump camp now believes, that zelenskyy is prolonging the war for his own purposes, when

actually it cannot be won. and the best thing, humanly and economically, is just to bring it to an end. >> which, you know, you can make a point for. don't >> which, you know,