good evening saturday five now. good evening and a very warm welcome to you, my friends. i�*m darren grimes, my friends. i'm darren grimes, and what a week it has been. shocking scenes as a short, shocking scenes. as a short, squabbling egomaniac publicly demanded more cash, more munitions and bigger security guarantees from the leader of the free world. for a moment, my friends, i thought i was watching an episode of the saturday five board meetings where a short squabbling alex where a short, squabbling alex armstrong demands more airtime, more social media clips, and a bigger slice of the budget. and just like sleepyjoe biden, i was often the one left nodding along, unsure of what i'd just along, unsure of what i�*d just agreed to. naturally, alex joins us tonight, fresh from his latest bid to increase his screen time. it's going quite screen time. it�*s going quite well. the man's addiction to television is so strong that if you cut him open, his blood type is hdmi. i hear he�*s now is hdmi. i hear he's now demanding a 24 hour live stream of himself, just in case he misses out on a single second of

self—promotion. sadly, we're without our fervent willie this evening. the man who stands tall, proud and forever upright has decided he needs some time off. it�*s terribly exhausting being that firm all the time. we wish him a well—earned rest. though i must say it feels very unwilling like, to go floppy on us at the last minute. but don't worry. to balance things out, we do have kai, where will is rigid, steadfast and firmly on the right. kai is, well floppy, feeble and fuelled entirely by quackery and wokery. the man's entire diet consists of tofu, gender theory and whatever the guardian is pushing this week, which explains why his arguments, much like his handshake, have all the strength of a wet paper bag. still with us is the resident glamorous gp doctor fina on hand to diagnose britain's latest political britain�*s latest political ailments, prescribe common sense and roll our eyes at the

absolute state of kai's nutrient deficiencies. and joining the panel tonight is emma trimble. she's sharp, she's fearless, and she's about to discover once she�*s about to discover once again that she can handle the saturday five initiation ritual, namely being talked over, contradicted and having to dodge alex armstrong�*s many attempts to go viral. welcome. and of course, we couldn't do this show course, we couldn�*t do this show without talking about the bbc. this week, my friends, because they're well and truly cooked. the same bbc that hounded pensioners and single parents over licence fees as well as students. it's now facing a potential terror probe over a hamas funding documentary. now, i always suspected that bbc coverage leaned towards hamas, but i didn't think they were literally passing the collection plate around for them. i mean, you have to hand it to them. most broadcasters just spread propaganda of some sort. the bbc is out here offering direct debit plans for jihadis. is out here offering direct

debit plans forjihadis. if you've watched the programme lately, you'd think they were at war with their own audience. turns out they might well have been funded one. at this rate, the next season of doctor who will be filmed in a gaza tunnel with a special appearance from a non—binary, decolonial palestinian correspondent who only reports in spoken word poetry. 0h, only reports in spoken word poetry. oh, i tell you. as always, we want to hear from you. drop us a line at gbnews.com/poll. and don't forget your questions for ask the five. no topics is off limits. and vote for your favourite five. go to gbnews.com/poll to vote for your favourite five. we'll bring you live updates on that poll throughout the show. >> do not need to say who won last week. >> renee won last week. we didn�*t. >> get to see it because. >> get to see it because. >> president trump took to the stage. but renee wants me to point out that she got 40 something percent of the vote. and alex has already voted for himself. the vote opens at six and it closes at 830. we�*ll

bring you those results now before this descends into total chaos. or willie springs up into chaos. 0r willie springs up into the studio to kerb his fear of missing out. it's time for your saturday night news with sophie reaper. >> thank you, darren, and a very good evening to you. we'll start with some breaking news from the last hour. now, as ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy has arrived for his visit at downing street. just a warning. the following footage contains some flashing images. sir keir starmer was there to greet president zelenskyy as the pair shook hands outside number 10 before entering to begin their bilateral meeting. the ukrainian president is in the uk ahead of a major defence summit in london tomorrow. sir keir and his ukrainian counterpart sat down in downing street, where both men expressed their desire for peace and thanked the british public for their support of ukraine. >> absolute determination to stand with you, unwavering

determination and to achieve what we both want to achieve, which is a lasting peace, a lasting peace for ukraine based on sovereignty and security for ukraine. 50 important for ukraine. so important for ukraine, so important for europe and so important the united kingdom. >> we are happy and we count on your support and really, really. we're happy that we have such such parties and such friends. >> meanwhile, volodymyr zelenskyy's arrival in the uk zelenskyy�*s arrival in the uk follows his brief meeting in the white house yesterday in which talks with donald trump descended into a row. the us president said zelenskyy can, quote, come back when he's ready for peace. the ukrainian president travelled to washington, dc as he attempted to secure a ceasefire agreement with russia and a possible deal with russia and a possible deal with the us. however, the visit ended prematurely with a signing of an agreement and a joint press conference cancelled following the clash and

following the clash. and elsewhere, bore da happy st david's day to all of our viewers in wales and those who are celebrating around the world, marked every ist of march. this day commemorates the welsh patron saint as well as all things history and culture in wales. those are your latest headlines for now. more from me in the next hour. but now it's back to darren and your saturday five. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com/advent. >> chris billam—smith. >> chris billam—smith. >> thanks, sophie. it's saturday night, my friends, and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you�*re in for a very lively that you're in for a very lively show. we're going to crack on with tonight's first debate. but before i do that, i want kai to say something. >> well, darren. cross r e a d

sandra and pimp hannah. eden golan at vandal. >> did not a clue, right? right. no, but it is st david's day st david's day, you know. >> which is very important to us. >> us. >> i thought we'd get some welsh interaction in there because you know wales. kai, they're voting the right way. reform reform. reform. >> i�*m going to win my bet. >> i'm going to win my bet. >> i'm going to win my bet. >> all right. okay. we�*re going >> all right. okay. we're going to get straight to our first panellist tonight. and alex insisted that. he so bad. >> of course he will. let alex. >> of course he will. let alex. >> go first. >> go first. >> i think it's very important to first say that i am five foot 11. if you consider that short, then you can consult my legal team. >> that's with your heels on? >> that's with your heels on? >> yes, with my heels off. but let's get started. because it's been a relatively serious week, hasn�*t it? at least the last 24 hours have. now, of course. where have you been? if you haven't seen the trump zelenskyy blow up, i hope you've got a

little clip here just to refresh your memory if you haven't watched it at all. >> not in a good position. you don�*t have the cards right now with us. you start having cards. cards right now. you don't. you're playing cards. you're playing cards. you�*re gambling playing cards. you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. you're gambling with world war iii. you're gambling with world war iii. and what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country. this country that�*s back to you. far more than a lot of people said they should have. >> what a phenomenal blow up. i mean, look, whatever you want to say about that interview, that debate, that debate they basically had live on air. there's one thing you can't take away from america, and that is that now, under the trump administration, there is more transparency and honesty, whether it should have played out in front of the public and whether you agree with zelenskyy or trump is irrelevant, because tonight i want to talk about how the uk has responded. now, first of all, british british

government have sort of refused to give a line on this. hopefully we'll hear a little hopefully we�*ll hear a little bit more from starmer in the coming 24 hours. however, leftists online have lost their marbles over it. they have reacted in a way that i could only call an act of national self—harm. we have some tweets here, perhaps to show you from one of the commentators. this is dan hodges, he said, i don�*t care about the chagos. i don't care about the chagos. i don't care about the chagos. i don't care about a trade deal. and frankly, after the spectacle, i don't care about the special relationship anymore. the invite from the king should be rescinded immediately. it's time to take a proper stand against trump and his thugs. well, quite frankly, that's insane. it�*s frankly, that�*s insane. it's ridiculous, isn't it? this is the largest superpower in the world who has massive amounts of economic prosperity, the biggest military, and has now, the other

day got very friendly relations with our prime minister, which we should be thankful for, actually. so this act of national self—harm. what would they rather have? well, they'd rather have us rejoin the eu, create an eu army. this corporate institution that acts only behind the scenes. have a look at how the eu responded last night to some of these. you can see here tweet after tweet of the same exact line. be brave. be strong. be fearless. that�*s not what something i, i would expect from a democratic institution. it's what i�*d expect from an authoritarian nightmare. we should never go back to the eu. we should never rejoin that institution and put our country at risk. i hope keir starmer does the right thing and backs america in this one. >> yeah. well, alex, i couldn't agree more. i i'm not a lot of

people are saying hang on, i'm very deeply wedded to the idea of supporting european security and all the rest of it. i do agree with that. i think in a couple of years time, the economy bounces back in russia and they build up munitions and are a stronger threat to european security. i get all of that. of course, europe needs to be doing more on defence, but i don't think that we need to glorify and almost it's he�*s glorify and almost it's he's become like a saint, right? we treat zelenskyy on on sort of bended knee. i don't understand all of that. i really don't get it. >> you know, the last time i saw tweets going out like that that had exactly the same wording in them was in covid, when the bot farms and the farmer and all of the names that you would expect sent out thousands and millions of tweets about you must take your vaccine. it's going to stay lives or save lives, whatever it was that sinister because it was that sinister, because it means there�*s this movement means there's this movement against the most powerful man in

the world. >> you. >> you. >> it�*s unironic, isn�*t it? >> it's unironic, isn�*t it? i mean, the way that dan hodges, as an example here, i mean, there's plenty of other people who have done the same thing. he's reacted. it seems petulant, isn�*t it? unironically petulant. and they're saying we don't want to support trump because he's doing all these things. he's speaking and saying, oh, i want to do this. i want to do that. well, they're saying the same thing. they want to do this massive act of national self—harm, don�*t they? self—harm, don't they? >> why are. >> why are. >> you making this up to be some sort of left wing plan? right. you mentioned dan hodges. he was a columnist for the mail. the telegraph. >> was a good example, described. >> in the spectator as david cameron�*s favourite columnist. he's hardly a socialist. he�*s hardly a socialist. >> and david. >> and david. >> cameron is a conservative. >> cameron is a conservative. >> but there's no indication of >> but there�*s no indication of even a whiff of this sentiment that you've talked about amongst any labour mps, let alone the cabinet. so for you to say that cabinet. 50 for you to say that the left wing is saying this left wing is saying that. leftists crying, crying out. thatis leftists crying, crying out. that is ridiculous. come on. >> you mean look, the reality

is, is that this. would you agree with with some of these arguments that we should stop the trade deal, get rid of chagos? >> no. >> no. >> of course it is ridiculous, isn't it? and that's the point. isn�*t it? and that's the point. i�*m saying we�*ve got these massive calls for people saying think we need to move away from these so calls :wo camps think we need to move away from these so calls for camps think we need to move away from these so calls for people saying we've got to drop america as the massive calls for people saying we've got to drop america as the as the leader of the free world, as the leader of the free world, we've got to distance ourselves we've got to distance ourselves from donald trump. we�*ve got to from donald trump. we�*ve got to stop him. stop him. >> from saying that. >> from saying that. >> from saying that. >> well, they are i just. >> from saying that. >> well, they are i just. >> well, they are ijust. >> well, they are ijust. >> well, they are ijust. >> well, they are ijust. >> read a tweet, you know that. >> read a tweet, you know that. >> read a tweet, you know that. >> i know that nobody. >> read a tweet, you know that. >> i know that nobody. >> i know that nobody. >> sees you. evidence. >> i know that nobody. >> sees you. evidence. >> sees you. evidence. >> nobody. oh did you. >> sees you. evidence. >> nobody. oh did you. >> nobody. oh did you. >> i just showed you. >> nobody. oh did you. >> i just showed you. >> i just showed you. >> i just showed you. >> the tweet on the screen. there's plenty of people. >> the tweet on the screen. there's plenty of people. >> calling some tweets. >> calling some tweets. >> calling some tweets. >> the problem. >> calling some tweets. >> the problem. >> the problem. >> i think the problem is that >> the problem. >> i think the problem is that this, that so much of the this, that so much of the reaction and not just with this, reaction and not just with this, but anything to do with ukraine but anything to do with ukraine is so emotionally driven. and is so emotionally driven. and actually, if as i do and i have actually, if as i do and i have consistently, you know, i think consistently, you know, i think it's in the uk strategic it's in the uk strategic interest to support ukraine interest to support ukraine against russia to a point, if against russia to a point, if you genuinely do care about you genuinely do care about ukraine and you care about peace ukraine and you care about peace in europe, and you care about in europe, and you care about the ukrainian people getting their land back, then you, i the ukrainian people getting their land back, then you, i think we need to move away from think we need to move away

these sort of two camps

their land back, then you, i think we way, to move away 2, ' ' ' their land back, then you, i think we way, because away 2, ' ' ' their land back, then you, i think we way, because the ry z”” ' ' ' their land back, then you, i think we way, because the way” ' ' ' different way, because the way the american public, i think, are seeing it at this point is they see him as being insolent and petulant. now, whether or not that's true is a different debate. but if he wants what he's asking for, he's going to need to contend with that. >> but what would you say to someone like kai who would say, well, can you imagine if america, during world war ii, had got together with adolf hitler and said, come on, lads, let's work this out? >> i would say it was a ridiculous comparison. >> it is. >> it is. >> you think they're nazis though, right? >> 0r. >> or. >> or. >> or. >> or indeed. or indeed. which part of the uk would you give up if we were invaded tomorrow? >> but i wouldn't. i want >> but i wouldn�*t. i want ukraine to get back all of its territory. >> it�*s not. >> it's not. >> it's not. >> going to. not going to happen. that's not even on the table. >> but it can't. >> but it can�*t. >> but it can�*t. >> be on. >> be on. >> administration has ruled that out. we know. >> that it's not going to i mean, the only. >> can't be on the. >> can't be on the. >> only country that has the weight to support ukraine against russia is, is the united states. and the reality is that even though i would like for ukraine to have all of its territory back, i have consistently been absolutely, unequivocally in favour of

ukraine's right to sovereignty ukraine�*s right to sovereignty over its own land. you�*ve got to over its own land. you've got to work one step at a time with the things that are possible and are on the table, and the reality is actually that this overemotional response on all sides isn't going to get to that. the conclusion that almost everybody. >> wants it. >> wants it. >> makes me laugh, by the way, that europe are like, we'll be the new america, please. >> you couldn't. >> you couldn't. >> fight your way out of a paper bag. >> they couldn't even they couldn�*t. could n�*t. >> even couldn�*t. >> even agree on a. peace deal arrangement. i mean, for goodness sake, the eu is a joke. and that's what these people are advocating for. they're advocating for. they're advocating for. they're advocating for us to go closer to the european union. it's got no innovation, no economic growth. that is clearly incoherent. >> well, this is the wedge issue for that, isn�*t it? it surely for that, isn't it? it surely is. but i think if you watch that interview from start to finish, it was going fine until zelenskyy said to the american people on air that you two are going to have your problems, just not yet. they're coming. and that was when trump saw red, because he doesn't want the american people to think that they might be heading for trouble somewhere. he wants them to think that it's.

>> rosy, but it's also diplomatically idiotic. >> because i have thought that myself over the last few years. where is his gratitude? you know, he comes to britain and asks for more money. well, actually, we're up a certain creek without a paddle. >> well, i think they think if zelenskyy thinks he's doing us zelenskyy thinks he�*s doing us a favour fighting this war and i favour fighting this war, and i as whilst i can totally respect and i want ukraine to win this war, i want to say that unequivocally. however, it is important when we're. >> giving. >> giving. >> billions and billions and trillions, perhaps in total of our of our hard earned cash to ukraine, that there is gratitude. alongside that, the reality is, is that a lot of these people who are advocating for the extension of this war inevitably wants ukraine to take their land back. and i understand that. but even today, a poll came out and over 70% of ukrainian people want the war to end. >> well, can i ask because leslie's written in and says leslie�*s written in and says darren, if i was any more right wing, i would fall off the edge. and i want a peace deal. but the way vance and those journalists humiliated zelenskyy over the suit, acting like playground,

playground bullies taunting a kid, i actually disagree with leslie because i think actually there is something to be said about him looking like he's cosplaying. >> but i. >> but i. >> said this to you and you disagreed with me. i think that bit was completely unnecessary and was nasty. >> well, if. you turn up, think. >> i. >> i. >> actually agree with. >> actually agree with. >> the american taxpayer. >> the american taxpayer. >> i think i. >> i think i. >> think both can be true. i think that it's actually, you know, churchill wore a suit throughout the war. there's no excuse to not dress appropriately just because you're fighting a war. he's not there in military fatigues. he's there in military fatigues. he's there in military fatigues. he's there in a t shirt and normal trousers. but at the same time, reneeis trousers. but at the same time, renee is right that this is not the way that you conduct yourself diplomatically at a press conference. >> in public. >> in public. >> it�*s not okay. >> it's not okay. >> it's not okay. >> we�*ll leave ukraine there, >> we'll leave ukraine there, but still to come tonight, we'll get your reaction on that incredible row between donald trump and volodymyr zelenskyy and an awkward moment for sir keir starmer when the us vice president says free speech in the uk is under threat. is it? we'll discuss next. if i�*m not

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welcome back to the saturday five. please continue getting in touch with started quite the debate there on gbnews.com/advent. and don't gbnews.com/advent. and don�*t forget the poll. you can vote forget the poll. you can vote for your favourite five at gbnews.com/alerts. >> she�*s already. >> she�*s already. >> winning the vote, will she rigs it? >> she�*s already winning. oh, she hasn't even said anything yet. she's texted every. >> single member of her family and every. ex—husband she�*s ever had and asked. >> them to vote. the vote. >> them to vote. the vote. >> will close at. >> will close at. >> 8:30 pm. rafe i dr shoo lee renee. now it's time. dictator. she's a dictator. is she is.

>> she's getting no money from. >> she�*s getting no money from. >> she�*s getting no money from. >> me now. >> me now. >> it�*s our next debate, right. who�*s gonna go next? >> it'll be me. so no tough >> it�*ll be me. so no tough competition. actually, this week, for the most exciting press conference. but the president of the united states and jd vance did meet with our prime minister. so let�*s take a little look at a clip from that. >> look, i said what i said, which is that we do have a, of course, a special relationship with our friends in the uk and also with some of our european allies. but we also know that there have been infringements on free speech that actually affect notjust free speech that actually affect not just the british. free speech that actually affect notjust the british. of free speech that actually affect not just the british. of course, what the british do in their own country is up to them, but also affect american technology companies and by extension, american citizens. so that is something that we'll talk about today at lunch. >> we�*ve had free speech for >> we've had free speech for a very, very long time in, in the united kingdom. and, and it will last for a very, very long time. >> well, methinks the lady doth protest too much. i don't know protest too much. i don�*t know what you think about that at home, but so much has happened

in the last week that suggests that that just simply isn't true. never mind in the last couple of years. or what about the grandmother that had the police come and knock at her door because she had criticised labour councillor, and it seemed then that she was reported to then that she was reported to the police by that labour councillors partner, and then ended up having to have a phone call with the police, where they said that they were going to advise her on what she'd commented by asking in a closed facebook group for that person's resignation. and not the first time either, that somebody connected to the labour party has made a complaint about someone. what about the royal marine who was actually charged and thankfully acquitted for putting a video up following the southport putting a video up following the south port attacks? we�*ve putting a video up following the southport attacks? we�*ve seen so many examples over the last couple of months where, you know, you could you could very easily see yourself in prison where you, you know, somebody like the mp mike amesbury ended

up like the mp mike amesbury ended up getting a suspended jail sentence for actually beating somebody up. and the message that sends to people is really that sends to people is really that if you want to settle a score, then you�*d be better off turning to violence rather than debate. that's not the sort of message that you want to be sending to people in society with law and order. and now we have allison pearson, the very well known award winning journalist from the telegraph who's taking a case against who�*s taking a case against essex police after all of this stuff over the reporting of non—crime hate incidents, which the free speech union say that they estimate that 65 non—crime hate incidents are being reported a day, and the police college of policing seem to think that the solution to the public's backlash against non—crime hate incidents is just simply to rename the things, rather than the fact that they're odious in the first place. and all of that put together we now have had this

week angela rayner announcing her islamophobia committee. and that's going to be considering a definition of islamophobia that, according to lord khan, the under—secretary of state for faith, is actually in contradiction to the equality act. so all things considered, i�*d really like to know what you think at home, whether or not keir starmer is actually telling porkies to our american friends across the across, across the pond and across the channel. >> well. >> well. >> emma, emma, i do have to apologise though, because alex and i burst out laughing during your speech and it wasn't because of what the substance of what you were saying. it's because we clicked on the poll and the poll, says darren grimes, emma trimble, doctor renee nothing new there. but then it gets to alice armstrong. so alex is now transgender. >> and. >> and. >> just. >> just. >> trying to goad me. >> trying to goad me. >> aren�*t you? it wasn't. >> aren�*t you? it wasn't. >> shaving the beard and growing my hair fast. >> you are you. >> you are you. >> i�*ll take it step. >> i'll take it step. >> i'll take it step. >> by step. well, you�*ll do

anything to get on telly. and by the substance of what emma was saying there, it paints a picture of a deeply authoritarian, anti—free speech state that suggests that jd. vance was right to warn of the oppressive jackboot of this labour government. >> the idea thatj.d. vance has a leg to stand on when it comes to free speech is ridiculous. the hypocrisy is just how blinding speech the doj has already begun to target trump's already begun to target trump�*s political enemies in the united states. the man who was the last trump vp was almost killed in the capitol riots. no. >> he was not. >> he was not. >> yes he was. >> yes he was. >> he was. >> he was. >> who is jd vance to lecture us? >> all right. well, i have questions. i have i have a questions. i have i have a question then for you because you can say thatjd vance is a hypocrite if you want and i'll disagree with you. but it seems that from what you�*re saying that from what you're saying that from what you're saying that you agree that free speech is a good thing. so what then, do you say to keir starmer

saying that we have plenty of it, if that's his assessment? when you look at all of these facts, surely you can admit he's telling porkies. >> no, he's saying that we�*ve had free speech for a long time. past tense. we've had, we have had had. yeah. that's the that's had had. yeah. that�*s the that's the that's actually. >> the don't worry. we're going >> the don�*t worry. we're going to crack down on that. >> no, no. but but we we've had free speech for such a long time. he�*s completely right. he's not lying. but there are clearly ways in which the police have acted completely inappropriately. and there are people who have been locked up, or people who have been put into sentences that they should never have done. but what about we can all sensible people can agree on that. >> but what about the. >> but what about the. >> labour council who actually reported we adopt the us? >> you know, it shows. it suggests there's an attitude on the part of the labour party towards speech that they disagree with. >> look. >> look. >> please supply. >> please supply. >> the labour party and government and the civil service because these are very different. >> let's just touch on the one thing that i think is deeply

concerning, which is this islamophobia. i was. just going to say coming out. i mean, if anyone should be worried before that, you should be doubly worried now because. >> the labour. >> the labour. >> party as racism. >> party as racism. >> the labour party actually adopted it and still adopt it, despite the fact that lord khan said it�*s in contradiction of said it's in contradiction of the equality act. >> they don't. >> they don't. >> know the. >> know the. >> difference between racism and religion. >> dominic grieve oh odious man, i�*ll be getting in trouble. >> hi. >> hi. can >> hi. can i >> hi. can i ask >> hi. can i ask you >> hi. can i ask you this question? our good friend mark written in. mark says why should islam have an elevated right to protection above all other religions? and if it's not about protecting islam and it's about protecting islam and it's about protecting muslimness, then why call it islamophobia? you know, we don't really go about saying christophobia, despite the fact that there are an awful lot of oppressed christians. >> jew phobia. >> jew phobia. >> just because there's not a word for discrimination against christians doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. >> so do they not matter. >> so do they not matter. >> and i really don't think that we're putting discrimination against muslims at a higher pedestal. >> it's the only one we�*re

actually having a working party. >> about, or hindus or anybody else in the uk. ijust >> about, or hindus or anybody else in the uk. i just don't accept the premise of that. >> there's no other there's no other definition of any kind of anti—religious hatred that actually conflates race and religion in a way that would silence criticisms of that religion. >> as this would silence criticism. i can criticise sikhism, buddhism, i can criticise being a sodding jedi. but if i dare criticise islam as a. >> can i can i ask a question? can i pose a question? >> a very brief one. >> a very brief one. >> if i were to take a quran and p0p >> if i were to take a quran and pop it on the floor, do you think i'd get a knock at the door from the police? >> yes, yes. >> yes, yes. >> and do you think that would be appropriate for me to get a knock at the door from the police? and so does that mean then that it has a sacred status under law, regardless of islam. >> become a blasphemy law? but also, i think the really worrying part of this is the conflation between racism, race, ethnicity and religion. being able to criticise the religion and its values and its texts and its morals. that is the problem here. it's not, it's not this is not this definition that dominic

greaves put forward is not about the religion. it's actually about racism. it's about skin colour, ethnicity, which to me is dangerous. >> all right. james says i'm by >> all right. james says i�*m by no means left wing, but kai has a point. we haven't had free speech. it's the judiciary that is corrupt and not enforcing our laws as they should be. purge the uk swamp that. purge the swamp. he's so deep in the swamp, you might as well call him shrek now. still to come tonight? someone else just commented saying there is wardrobes as dodgy as his views now. still to come tonight? >> not again. >> not again. >> are you willing to give up kebabs, holidays and dairy all in the name of net zero. jet setting kai wilshaw will explain more. and labour are planning to attack nigel farage. are they running scared with the saturday five? we're live on gb news. >> ready to soak up that holiday sunshine. >> won't we need some cover? >> won't we need some cover? >> no worries. all sorted. >> no worries. all sorted. >> allclear travel insurance sponsors gb news travel destinations forecast. >> the recent showers over the

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>> welcome back to the saturday fight. claire says it's true to say we've had free speech for a long time. she's put had in capital letters until recently. it's now quickly been eroded under labour, although the conservatives had a hand in it as well.

>> i was going to say free speech in covid for many of us did not exist. >> well, you know more than most. >> people are. >> people are. >> you were tracked and monitored and not just by the monitored and notjust by the men, by his majesty's government. >> by his majesty's government. >> by his majesty's government. >> right now, it's time for our >> right now, it�*s time for our next debate. i regretfully admit, because it's kai. >> guess who. >> guess who. >> take it away, kai. happy st david's day. >> thank you so much. well, look, as i said before, reform need to decide between the united kingdom and russia. now the labour party is finally attacking reform on its russia flip flopping. it's been no secret that the two main parties and all the other parties have been grappling with the reform threat, trying to figure out what the momentum and the new polling for reform all means for them. yet farage and the reform

party this week seem to have gained a massive own goal, tying themselves up in knots trying to appease donald trump while also saying yes, we obviously believe in the uk's security. they've somehow suggested that ukraine provoked russia into attacking it, and that also brought up, of course, 2014 comments by nigel farage that not that vladimir putin was his most admired leader across the world. now guess what? yet again are absent. reform mps are out of kilter with the rest of the country. seven out of ten of brits agree that it�*s important brits agree that it's important for ukraine to win the war against russia. yet here's nigel farage calling for elections in

ukraine for a timetable on elections. when might that be? we've had millions and millions of citizens of ukraine leave the country, and many of their territories are still under bombardment. now, what�*s going bombardment. now, what's going on, nigel? what's it going to be? will you stick up for british interests, or will you be ending up siding with trump? it's squeaky bum time for reform and for nigel farage. the uk or russia? >> squeaky bum time. what do you think? topping every single major poll in the entire country. he's come out and said that we need a security arrangement to ensure that russia can�*t go back into ukraine in the midst of any agreement that is ultimately reached. to what extent is demanding that we have some form of troop that would prevent russia from being able to re—enter? demanding that america. what happened yesterday was regretful. how is any of this a pro putin apology to?

>> i mean. >> i mean. >> i mean. >> i think you're on cloud nine. you're off your rocker. >> you are. and actually, that comment about putin he made in 2014. so talk about looking back in time, which is what labour like to do, because they don't want to look forward about what they're not doing. but the other thing to think about is actually farage has been the only one in the room here who has actually acted like a diplomat, because when trump came out and called zelenskyy a dictator, farage didn't come out and say, yes, trump is absolutely right. he disagreed with him knowing that he's his friend and he's the one. he gets on well with him, but he still wasn't going to just fall into trump's pocket. he carefully and cleverly negotiated that and said, however, zelenskyy should have some elections soon, as he should. >> and i just want to also add on your comments about nigel farage saying that russia was goaded into the war because those comments were actually supported by a nato secretary secretary—general, who was a labour peer. before that. just just to be clear to the audience who also said that we should not have moved nato closer to russia, given the agreements we

made after the end of the cold war, which is what nigel farage also supported at the time. and actually many politicians have said that that statement is factually true. you can disagree with it if you want to, but that were the terms that even the nato secretary—general. >> also not to be a pedant, but all of this talk about the absent reform mps all of this talk about the absent reform mp5 is just is just mythology at this point. i mean, they very often they tweet from inside the chamber saying, no, i'm here. there was a tweet put out by one journalist listing the top top ten most vocal mps in parliament and two reform mps. given that they've only got five, it's highly only got five, it�*s highly disproportionate. so they are there. they are, you know, engaging with all of these issues. >> written questions aren't the same as answering in the chamber. no. >> they were physically there. they can't speak unless they're allowed to. >> okey dokey. we'll leave kai to his delusions, because now it's time for doctor and a woman who has no of this nonsense. >> none of this. okay, so the climate change committee issued

their latest missive this week. and if they get their way, life will never look the same as we have known it. it's changed slightly, but it�*s going to change beyond all of your dreams. and they usually do get their way. their last six budgets have been completely adopted and approved by these governments who are wedded to this delusion. so what you eat, how often you go to barbados or malaga, how many pieces of clothing you buy a year, and how much meat you eat will be controlled by these global elites trying to save the planet. we are the problem, but they will reprogramme us. don't worry. but don't assume that the climate change committee has got to this point on their own. when iread to this point on their own. when i read this report this week, i wasn't surprised. i first started hearing these kind of murmurings about ten years ago, and it was always filtering down from these global organisations, the united nations, the and then being implemented in reports from big contractors around the world like arup, look up arab c40 cities and it's laid bare

for you what they want for us. they actually give us some targets. so there are 2030 targets, and then there's an ambitious target just in case we can overshoot that. do you like driving? forget that. the 2030 target is that only 190 people in a thousand will own a car. and the ambitious target? no one will own a car. do you like flying? forget that 2030 target. you will take one short haul flight in three years. ambitious target. one short haul flight in four years. oh, sorry. the other way. in two years and three years. do you like clothes where you won't have any? because the you won�*t have any? because the 2030 target is. you�*re only 2030 target is. you're only allowed to buy eight pieces of clothing a year. isn't that kind? the ambitious target three. because we will borrow clothes from other people. and i�*m not borrowing them from you, darren. and do you like meat? now you'll only be allowed in 2030 to eat 16kg of meat per person. that sounds like a lot. it's not. you usually eat 61kg. the ambitious target. no meat and no dairy. this is the future

that they envisage for us. you can see why they don't care can see why they don�*t care about farmers. we won't need about farmers. we won�*t need farms or meat anywhere. it is all coming together under this globalist plan. get rid of meat. planes. cars. clothes. it's really weird. while we go about our lives, these massive corporations are busy at speed in the background, planning on how our lives are going to change. and if you want to do all of those things that bring us joy, you need to wake up. read the c40 cities report and start fighting back. >> of course, this is only for us mere plebs. the people who are actually pushing it will continue doing all of those things. >> it's just like the just stop >> it�*s just like the just stop oil prats that glue their up, inla said. with their bottoms to the to the road. they always live privileged, comfortable lives and they can afford. >> to go to barbados on holiday. >> to go to barbados on holiday. >> absolutely. yeah. >> absolutely. yeah. >> or saudi arabia. >> or saudi arabia. >> perhaps you�*re someone that >> perhaps you're someone that jets around the world. you've just come back from saudi arabia, but you passionately believe in net zero. you're a

rank hypocrite, aren't you? >> no i�*m not. and i always >> no i'm not. and i always offset my flights. >> hi. how kills cows skills. >> hi. how kills cows skills. >> through paying money? well. >> through paying money? well. >> i mean look. oh, sorry. be enough for the flights to sell. stop it. look, look, if you plant a tree every 105 he's brought, he's brought a carbon sink from one of the impoverished farmers. >> that's what it is. >> that's what it is. >> it's only. >> it�*s only. >> it�*s only. >> right that people who choose certain lifestyles choose to bear the burden of what that means for the environment. >> so i have to. >> so i have to. >> eat insects instead. >> eat insects instead. >> of meat. >> of meat. >> no, no, no, not at all. frequent flyers 1% of super emitters are responsible for 50% of aviation emissions. is that not ridiculous? we�*re not talking about your average family. you�*re not talking about family. you're not talking about your average flyer. because also, only 11% of the world's population flew last year. >> oh. but those super bebe king probably be echelon. >> and it�*s only right that a tax should be placed. >> yes, you�*re correct, but it >> yes, you're correct, but it is never the tax going to the

right people. it's always going to the poorest in society. and people like sadiq khan, who are a part of the c40 city, are flying here, there and everywhere. ed miliband net zero. >> and they should be taxed. >> and they should be taxed. >> to brazil for. >> to brazil for. >> a meeting. they should be taxed for that. yes he should. they should be taxed for that under these. >> plans. gets taxed for it. guess who pays for it. >> we do. and who are these people to tell me how much meat i should eat. >> in a year? >> in a year? >> oh, communism. >> oh, communism. >> moving on. sir keir starmer loses another minister. is it

>> moving on. sir keir starmer welcome back to the saturday five. who's up next? well it's me. hi. now, my friends, if you want to understand everything about labour's priorities, just look at the latest resignation labour minister anneliese dodds. she is a woman so catastrophically bad. she is a woman so catastrophically had. she was shadow chancellor for all of two minutes. sir keir starmer booted her out in favour of rachel

thebes. and why did she resign? was it over? labour hammering farmers with taxes when they're farmers with taxes when they�*re already on their knees? nope. was it over? pensioners being left to freeze, paying the world�*s highest electricity costs without any winter fuel support? nope. was it over? national insurance hikes, shutting down british businesses and costing people theirjobs? not a peep. nope. anneliese dodds quit because sir keir starmer dared to suggest cutting foreign aid to brace yourselves, actually fund britain's thinning armed forces. imagine that. putting british interests before bankrolling every pet project abroad. that was her red line, that apparently it was a step too far for these lefties in the labour party. and what exactly is this sacred, untouchable foreign aid budget funding? well, i can tell you over the years that i've been active. your hard earned cash has been sent to the likes of china to help them research how to cut

their salt consumption. because obviously, what beijing really needsis obviously, what beijing really needs is british taxpayers watching their sodium intake. and then there's the cash funnelled into the ethiopian spice girls tribute act. yep. i�*m not joking. and if that wasn't bad enough, we're even bankrolling a scheme in india that sends text messages reminding people to drink less booze. meanwhile, back in britain, pensioners shiver in the cold. businesses collapse and farmers are driven to ruin. it tells you, or it ought to. it probably doesn't for guy, but probably doesn�*t for guy, but everyone else it tells you everything about them. your taxes are fair game. your pension, forget it. your businesses. who gives a damn? but heaven forbid we chuck stop chucking money at vanity projects abroad while our own people struggle. these globalist goblins have priorities. but we, my friends, well, we don't factor at all. >> it's really shocking, isn't

it? >> i mean, hang on, we've got some breaking news here. zelenskyy has just left downing street after a meeting with sir keir starmer. i think we�*ve got some footage there. there we are. this is from earlier, sir keir starmer leaving number 10 downing street with volodymyr zelenskyy. they're off for a nice meal in a nice restaurant. maybe lord alli will be there. who knows? >> do you think it's the same >> do you think it�*s the same outfit? do you think he has a wardrobe of all the same outfits? >> i think he's i'm sorry. i�*m >> i think he's i'm sorry. i'm going to say it again. he's cosplaying. that's what i think. >> well. >> well. >> he�*s got it. then he should. >> he�*s got it. then he should. >> he�*s got it. then he should. >> he should be wearing military fatigues. >> hang on. he's wearing. >> hang on. he�*s wearing. >> hang on. he�*s wearing. >> he does not. >> he does not. >> poor man. anymore. >> poor man. anymore. >> with a polo vest thing. yeah. how is that not, you know, military. they don't go about wearing camouflage all the time. you know. what i'm going to find interesting is how the americans will see all these visuals. of course, straight after he's booted out of washington, he flies to london. keir starmer is embracing him. and i think it's going to be really interesting to see what american politicians

make. >> i think this is a dangerous game that we�*re playing. he's now had the invite to sandringham tomorrow with the king. and the one thing that trump actually triumphed with was offering the state visit with the king�*s letter. and now he's thinking, well, actually, i�*m not diplomatically. >> very awkward as well,