boxt good morning and welcome to the camilla tominey show on gb news. what an extraordinary week in politics it has been. government minister for eu relations and paymaster general nick thomas—symonds will join me. i�*ll be getting his reaction to the meetings this week between president trump, president zelenskyy and prime minister keir starmer ahead of that crunch summit of european leaders later today. shadow foreign secretary priti patel will also be here. i'll be asking her about those comments from president trump too. i'll also be joined by the deputy leader of reform uk, richard tice, two leaders from the social care industry, former conservative minister damian green and co—chair of the national care association, nadra ahmed, will be here. i'm going to find out the impact of the budget on the care sector, and i�*ll be speaking to paolo diana, the chair of the women's policy centre, about calls to repeal

the gender recognition act. we've got once again, 90 minutes of very punchy politics to get through. do not even think of moving a muscle. but first with me now to review the sunday front pages is the political editor of the spectator, katy balls, who i congratulate on landing a very big job in washington. good luck with that. well done you. and what a spread of papers. we�*re still reeling from friday's extraordinary events in the oval office. and let's look at how both the observer and the sunday telegraph are covering it, just to get opposite ends of the ideological spectrum there. we've got the observer making this point that starmer is now walking a tightrope between zelenskyy and trump. and we've got that move on the front of the sunday telegraph to welcome zelenskyy to downing street ahead of today's summit at lancaster house. what do we think of how starmer has been playing this? katy.

>> i think for now you have to take a moment to actually look at what keir starmer has done and there is something to complement that in the sense that there was plenty of criticism and you see that in some of the papers. but generally speaking, there's only one story in town really this weekend after that, quite extraordinary. you know, meeting on friday night in the oval office where things blew up between donald trump, his vice j.d. vance, and then, of course, zelenskyy. and it did mean that some said, well, keir starmer had a very positive trip the day before and it looked rather smooth. there were lots of compliments and zelenskyy have learned from that. but i think what we've seen is because keir starmer is meeting with donald trump, went well. he is now in a position where he can almost act as this middleman or at least try to. yes. and therefore on friday, when things fell apart and lots of people very uncomfortable with what they saw, and you had keir starmer speaking to both zelenskyy and trump separately, and now you can see over the weekend this attempt to almost act as a

bndge attempt to almost act as a bridge between the two sides. now, let's not get ahead of ourselves because we don't currently have this lasting piece that keir starmer is talking about, and we don't know if his balancing act is going to work. but i think at the very least you can say keir starmer has a position which not all european leaders are in. and to be able to have those conversations with both sides at a very tense time for the global stage, really. >> can i make an observation which i find quite ironic considering keir starmer's fierce opposition to brexit, that post—referendum he has been put in this unique position of being slightly more on trump's side because we are not associated with a lack of eu defence spending. slightly independent from the whole scene and therefore in the position of being arbiter and now potentially welcoming a post—brexit trade deal with america, who would have thunk? it is my only observation on that. before we talk about today's summit, let's just look at this issue of the state visit. now stop the state visit for bully trump, says the mail on sunday. of all newspapers.

there's a big leader inside basically saying that this state visit, which is now being tabled for this year, not 2026, be the second time an elected us president has been given a bells and whistles reception by the royals shouldn't go ahead. >> yeah, this is one of the very topsy turvy things going on right now because, of course, ahead of donald trump returning to the white house, lots of journalists, perhaps including some of the, were quick to point out that keir starmer's past comments on donald trump were pretty insulting, that david lammy, the foreign secretary, had led a protest to stop the last state visit. but now you have the government obviously using it as a key trump card for the fund to get donald trump onside. and but the mail on sunday, which you would expect in a way to be in a different place, is the one saying, hang on a minute, is the uk effectively becoming the poodle here? are we sucking up too much? and is this wise? i think it's worth looking in that piece though, that at present, while they have a few figures so

alicia kearns, the tory mp, a former tory mp, and tobias ellwood, a former intelligence figure, jul yet to have anyone in labour say that the state visit should be cancelled, which you might think was the more normal thing to happen given grass roots unhappiness. and also you haven't had anything really from senior figures in the tory party or reform on this, so i don�*t think it�*s quite yet a movement. >> i think it�*s so >> i think it's so diplomatically, diplomatically difficult to do that now. that was the whole centrepiece of trump and starmer meeting on thursday. this magical invitation from the king. but we should perhaps read quite a lot into the king agreeing to meet zelenskyy today at sandringham, up zelenskyy today at sandringham, up in norfolk. the king actually has been pretty outspoken on putin, likened him in private conversations that were then made public in the mail to adolf hitler, talked about the scourge of war in europe. i mean, this is the son of queen elizabeth the second and the grandson of george vi. he won't be on putin's side in all this, and putin�*s side in all this, and i�*m not sure he's got that much in common with trump as a

climate sceptic. >> yes, and also. >> yes, and also. >> not the king, obviously, i'm talking about. >> and i think it�*s almost >> and i think it's almost instead of rescinding an invitation which would clearly go against everything number 10 is trying to do, which is being the person who can speak to different figures. yes. it's almost doing it quietly by saying, well, the king is meeting with zelenskyy and it means you don't have to say it too much out loud if you're his majesty, because you can't. yes, it's a very clear way of saying that, as zelenskyy has the backing of not just the uk backing of notjust the uk government, but the person in the uk that trump admires the most. >> that's right. it�*s called >> that's right. it's called show don't tell, i think. and it's and it's very much a royal it's and it�*s very much a royal thing. let's talk about nato and the future of nato, because as a number of pieces in the papers this morning and then we've got jeremy hunt, former foreign secretary, warning about the future of nato. macron famously said, didn�*t he, that nato, he thought was brain dead. is nato dead? dead? >> not yet. but i think you are at a point where you can see a live support situation, which is, you know, there are some figures who say they just need

to keep it alive for this trump term, and then the world order could be restored. but then, of course, you look to that meeting on friday, jd vance, ultimately the vice president, he is almost more ideological than trump on this. if he ends up being trump's successor, it's a long trump�*s successor, it�*s a long way away. that is the world order changing for quite a long time and actually further away, i think, than where some such as jeremy hunt would want it to be. and the point jeremy hunt makes and the pointjeremy hunt makes is to save nato. european countries need to get serious about spending on defence, and thatis about spending on defence, and that is something we've heard many times. but you even see it this weekend. lots of european figures coming out and saying how unhappy they were with how donald trump treated zelenskyy, but not talking about actually putting their money where their mouth is. could that change at this summit? >> yes. well, there was lots of rhetoric on x and other sites. and yet starmer probably wisely stayed out of that. he has been speaking this morning, the prime minister. he's being extremely minister. he�*s being extremely diplomatic. he's trying to, as we discussed earlier, walk 1510