stories. this is headliners. straight to business. tonight we're going to give you the best of tomorrow's newspapers today with the best comedians. first things first, we're going to look at the front pages at the times. trump is encouraged by zelenskyy piece, the guardian. >> a watershed. >> a watershed. >> moment eu leaders agree to huge defence spending rise and the telegraph pension fund giants boycott uk arms firms. so more front pages in a few minutes. but what do you make of the times? >> well, i haven't had my usual three. >> minutes of news. >> minutes of news. >> to. >> to. >> read the story, i know. >> read the story, i know. >> but the headline says trump is encouraged by zelenskyy. >> peace talk. well. >> peace talk. well. >> so am i. »- >> so am i. >> it's all. >> it's all. >> looking a lot better. >> looking a lot better. >> than it. >> than it. >> was. >> was. >> isn't it? >> isn't it? >> yeah. i mean trump. >> yeah. i mean trump. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> trump is encouraged by zelenskyy now kind of kowtowing after they've basically pulled the intelligence. pulled any weapons. yes. yes, exactly. >> and now he's coming back and saying go. >> on then. >> on then. >> have you got any ideas.

>> have you got any ideas. >> yeah. well that's it. i mean he's really there's no zelenskyy hasn't had an option. simon. right. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well not many options. as people said, he spent 24. >> maybe 48 hours. meeting various. european leaders and swiftly came to the conclusion that there was. >> only one game. >> only one game. >> in town after all. yeah. >> in town after all. yeah. >> in town after all. yeah. >> i mean, things move very, very quickly at the moment, and it. >> does seem that this has. >> does seem that this has. >> created a permanent sense in europe that they have to protect themselves in future. they have to ramp up their defence spending, they have to create their own deterrence and so on. but in the meantime, yes, i think he's going to. >> be brought to the table. >> be brought to the table. >> but even that's interesting. i mean, i remember god, it must have been just over a week ago now that there was. a an initial shock announcement from trump that he would be speaking. >> directly to vladimir putin. and zelenskyy wasn't invited to the negotiations. well, that's changed as well. so trump. >> and zelenskyy are now going to map. >> out. >> out. >> a framework, which they're then going. >> to take to putin. as far as i can understand, trump's going to map out a framework and

zelenskyy is going to be possibly for a moment. >> i thought. >> i thought. >> you. >> you. >> meant healey was. >> meant healey was. >> was was there as well. the uk defence secretary meeting with pete hegseth. >> and comparing tattoos. >> and comparing tattoos. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so that would have been an interesting meeting of minds and inks. >> there's a there was an interesting douglas murray piece today. i don't know if you read it about how some of the right are just totally captured by this anti zelenskyy rhetoric propaganda. yes. >> yes, possibly. >> yes, possibly. >> so you was you one of the people he was talking about? well. >> possibly, i don't know. i think it's very difficult at the moment. there's an awful lot of mind reading going on, people who think that three years of stalemate is enough and they would like to see the meat gnnder would like to see the meat grinder slow down now, are accused of appeasement, but there are several problems with that. one is, i think, that the relentless go to example of hitler and the late 30s is the only analogy through which to understand the lens of modern current affairs. foreign affairs is tiresome, but also that wasn't appeasement. hitler went

into sudetenland, went into austria without a single shot being fired. those were reunited. they were taken back under german control because they were majority german ethnic territories. >> ukraine has fought back. >> ukraine has fought back. >> i think a fair amount of shots have been fired, and indeed a good deal of war atrocities have been committed as well. and so to compare that to appeasement is absolutely absurd, just demonstrates that people. >> i guess. >> i guess. >> it's talking about appeasement gcse. >> they're talking about appeasement now i think is as opposed to appeasement three years ago. yeah. but cresta. >> but it's not appeasement. if you've had a war for three years and then you go, right, let's come to some sort of peaceful settlement. you mean they've already had it? it's not an appeasement. that is how wars end. and they usually begin with some sort of unwarranted. they usually. >> end with a victory, usually. >> end with a victory, usually. >> no. >> no. >> or someone afghanistan. i mean, let's do another analogy would be afghanistan, where russia did withdraw. >> yeah. that was that was one example. absolutely. after ten years of stalemate and going nowhere, the first world war ended with with a negotiated

settlement after germany had not withdrawn beyond their own borders and were forced into, you know, an unequal peace that prepared the ground for the second world war. there are all kinds of different examples, is my point. >> that's a good analogy. >> that's a good analogy. >> go to the only one that anyone seems to know anything. >> about, i guess. i mean, i, i agree with you that that is just the it's the default point. but at the same time, you know, the first world war might be a good example in terms of it prepared laid the war for another war. this is not that's what zelenskyy wants is the is a real peace. and of course he argues without america, without any security guarantees, they're not going to get it. kresta right. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well that. >> well that. >> sounds yeah. they're the ones with. >> the money. yeah. well, anyway, before we move on from the time, i just want to say there's a picture of a little boy and his dog. this is from crufts, and they're talking about a record number of foreign entrants are among the 18,000 dogsin entrants are among the 18,000 dogs in competition. i mean, telegraph times. give it a rest for one second. foreign. well, let's go on to the guardian then. simon. you got that? >> yes. the guardian we stay

with, with war defence, the eu waking up from their 80 year slumber to realise they have responsibility for the security of their nations. unanimity marred, apparently by hungary's prime minister, viktor orban, who failed to endorse an eu statement on ukraine. but other than that, there seems to be a good deal of unanimity, generally speaking, quite how much it's going to be racked up to as a percentage of the overall budget that the eu, various countries have. there was a campaign a few years ago that 6% should be spent on defence. i don't know that many of them are going to go that high, but they're talking about . high, but they're talking about. ,800 billion or £670 billion, andifs ,800 billion or £670 billion, and it's dollars and it's not given in dollars pointedly. but that's the that's the total they're looking for, which i think would amount to roughly ,1,000 per citizen of the eu. so that would be quite substantial. >> well, if they spend it in the, in the eu. and actually then it could be good. cause there's another story here. ulez has improved london er rapidly.

that's a good story. >> yes, i certainly. >> yes, i certainly. >> noticed the. >> noticed the. >> difference in. >> difference in. >> the you. >> the you. >> know. and that's. >> know. and that's. >> not just because i live in a basement. people in london are breathing significantly cleaner air. since the expansion of. >> the city's. >> the city's. >> ultra low. emission zone. well, that's. >> good, isn't it? it says a. study has. >> found that levels of pollutants that are linked to a wide range of. we hear. >> this a lot, don't we? there's pollutants everywhere. >> and they're going to give you terrible diseases. i don't know who did the survey though, or the study, i should. >> say some. >> say some. >> i will just note. i mean, there isn't a single number on there isn't a single number on the front page other than the date of the year in which they were introduced. that makes me suspicious. significantly reducing is like, you can throw these words around. you need to be honest, the level of stress that they create among the driving community, trying to keep down to 20mph, watching pedestrians overtake you, especially when the roads are otherwise absolutely clear after midnight. driving home from headliners, i suspect, is going to lead to more premature deaths than any amount of airborne. >> you're going to get even more angry after the show. >> absolutely, yeah. >> absolutely, yeah. >> let's move on to the daily

telegraph, then. pension fund giants boycotting uk arms firms. cressida, surely now we're going to be spending billions of pounds on arms. this is a good time to invest in. >> well, you would think, wouldn't you. >> so some. >> so some. >> pension funds are boycotting it because it. affects their esg. >> currently we still have those. do we. what is it? do you put it in chinese food? >> ethical. >> ethical. >> social. >> social. >> social. >> social governance? no. governance. yeah, that's what i'm. >> saying and i'm sticking to it. yeah. so for a long time it's been fashionable hasn't it, to not have any naughty. money flying. >> everything you invest in has got to. >> be lovely. >> be lovely. >> and green and keep greta happy. and now that's what the g stands for. it's ethical . sexy. stands for. it's ethical. sexy. greta. ooh, not sure about that. >> so anyway, this has been challenged. of course reeves is saying no, no, no, it's fine. and i would agree.