lots of them. and mince pies. lots of them. and that means there's going to be less. less counterterrorism resources to deal with islamic terrorism. >> good point. i mean, the fact that it was in great yarmouth, are they part of the conspiracy that's getting rupert lowe in trouble? that's his constituency. >> just did he did he bully her? >> just did he did he bully her? >> well, this this woman doesn't look like she could be bullied. it says temptress. and she reminds me of the simon hart diaries where this guy alistair jack said, if you think you're punching above your weight, ask yourself why? so when you're deaung yourself why? so when you're dealing with someone like this, it's probably a honey trap, right? that's the first thing you've got to ask. >> yourself are men and you just think, yeah, i've still got it. even in the face of all visual evidence, you just think. >> that it turns out to be a prison sentence. yeah, but this guy was unbelievable. this jan marsalek guy who was at the top of it. so this woman that they show on the front, she's the telegraph did a nice tree. she's only at the bottom. then there's like several layers above and this mask, like. >> more attractive people to sleep with in exchange for secrets. >> just more important spies. and this. >> guy, smaller inside russian spies. every time, you. >> know, they get closer to putin. the this guy martell, by

the way, he had access to a network of spies in the uk, us, germany, austria, israel, italy, switzerland, france, croatia, hong kong and turkey. imagine the whatsapp groups hardly keep track of like that. much spying. that must be a nightmare administrative nightmare, right? >> and also. >> and also. >> this this must raise some questions about britain's borders. i mean, if spies want to come into the uk, it's not like the old days where you had to forge passports and things like that. now you just get on anything that floats, rip up your passport, arrive and say, your passport, arrive and say, you know, you need a new passport. and also a mobile phone would be nice to send your secrets back home. >> i'm not sure if that's how she made her way into the country. i'm not sure if she had that particular struggle, i don't know, it's always possible to get people living in a place, having a job as a cover and being they've always been spies. so whilst this headline is meant to be scaring us because it's got the word putin in it, yeah, there's always been things like this, i guess. >> i think the scary thing is that it's really happened. it's not just they're not just alarming us. >> with, you know, there's not hoax. >> there could be spies, putin could have spies. there actually are some.

>> but the headline is but how many more spies? >> yeah, exactly how many more we've got no idea how many of anybody is here. i mean, we've got like 150,000. you know, young men from mainly muslim countries have come in. how many of them will be jihadis or harbour some grudge? how many present a threat to the west? >> it's hard to know on this one, but i guess the only way you would do it is by like data sampling and the number of bulgarian women who've tried to sleep with me for information is zero. so if you extrapolate that out, i guess. >> what, steve, i think you could be a spy. well dressed, kind of very calm demeanour and trying to play down the spy story. those are like three. >> they're onto me. they're on to me. run, run. sorry. what was the. >> and. yeah, there's the there's the prospect of men now trying to get information just so they can have sex. moving on to the daily telegraph, nick. >> yeah, well of course the telegraph have the spy story, but we're also going to cover this reform uk story. reform civil war as mp reported to police. and of course, this is rupert lowe. it's all kicked off today. there was a statement

that came out from reform talking about workplace bullying, and it said in the office they didn't actually directly say, but it said a serious bullying in the offices of the member of parliament for great yarmouth, rupert lowe. and obviously rupert lowe has denied all this completely. he's now, as patrick said, just before we came on, released another statement saying that the reform are propitious and actually that basically lawyers saying they acted too soon and rashly and so he says that tells the whole story precipitous. what did i say? propitious? yes. >> whatever one of them's to do with rain. >> this wouldn't have happened with andrew doyle. but yeah, i just hope, yeah, they rain down on him too soon. that's what happened. it's it is shocking. i mean, if you were a reform supporter, if you voted for them. he has so many fans. yeah. rupert lowe. >> and he's really the heart of the party. >> yeah. to me, he was one of the few. he was one of the few, perhaps one of the very few mainstream politicians just telling it like it is telling the truth. and i mean, and he denies all these claims, we're in this kind of hr. culture now where you can't do anything like

reform are presumably big fans of churchill. how long do you think churchill would last in the reform party? like a day? because my point is, i'm sure rupert's a nice guy, but even if he was, but you have to be a bit disagreeable and a little bit different to be the kind of person that will stand in the house of commons and read out a lot of really important questions about grooming gangs. but by your nature, if you're in a party like reform, you should be somewhat disruptive, you should be prepared to be a bit disagreeable. and i just find it likely that that kind of thing might go, might go along with what i'm saying he has on anything, but it might go along with not always being like the most agreeable person, perhaps. >> yeah, it feels like right wing movements always fall apart because, you know, people who are attracted to those movements are attracted to those movements are individualistic. they've got big egos. they want to, as nick says, disrupt things and make change. and, you know, whereas the labour party or left wing parties are more sort of conformist because that's what the left is all about. >> although maybe for the actual politicians, although because in america they have the catch phrase of the left fall in .

phrase of the left fall in. love, the right fall in line when it comes to actually just aiming for the win. and the conservatives are more like that, aren't they? where they will just be like, we totally disagree with each other, but if we all just pretend for a while, we'll election. so we'll win this election. so maybe reform far maybe it's that reform is so far along that spectrum that actually disagreeable party actually the disagreeable party wins to wins out over the wanting to succeed and succeed at elections. and i suppose their at the suppose that's their game at the moment, last moment, or the game in the last election so much election wasn't to win so much as minister. it was as to be prime minister. it was to right. but to disrupt. you're right. but also, all right, controversial thing. i'm not going to put any names to do you know how names to this. do you know how elon like, hey, this this elon said like, hey, this this guy is the good one for the leader and the next thing you know, whip removed. so not going to be the leader of reform just putting those two things out there. just saying yes. >> you're not the first, steve saying that you if you get too big and you threaten farage, is that a problem? he's very carefully. >> saying not even saying that because that the next thing you know, you know, my luck is going to be ruined. >> that's the problem. if you're if obviously farage is this talented leader who we all know, he's an incredible communicator and campaigner, but you need to be able to keep your talented people in. if you're sort of a good ceo, you need to keep the talented people in the party like rupert lowe. it's obviously hard, like you said, to keep all these big personalities, but you

have to do it because he's so popular with the voters. certainly if they kicked him out, they would lose my vote because i'm very i've loved rupert lowe his tweets. he's the only person that really just totally represents what i think. and you go, yeah. and also this bullying stuff, he's completely denied it. but even if he hadn't this stuff about bullying in a, in a culture where throwing baby tomatoes across the room is bullying, i have to be sceptical, you know, because there's a fine line between bullying and actually just trying to get stuff done. right. >> and this, this feels like the sort of allegations that were levelled against trump. you know, people say, oh, he's he's a bully, he's done this. he's done that. and none of it, none of it stuck. i don't think it really matters politically. i don't 1