>> good morning and welcome to the camilla tominey show on gb news. what a week it's been in westminster, not least within the reform uk party itself. i'm going to be joined by the deputy leader of reform uk, richard tice, to discuss the allegations made about rupert lowe's behaviour, and about how the party has dealt with the events in the last 48 hours. the chancellor of the duchy of lancaster, pat mcfadden, will be here. i'm going to be asking him about labour's plans to reform the civil service. is this sir keir starmer's attempt at america's coveted doge.7 i'll also be speaking to the shadow

home secretary, chris philp, as the conservatives table, an amendment to prevent the human rights act interfering in policies to tackle immigration. people's deputy of ukraine, alexei goncharenko will join me from kyiv ahead of the ukraine. us peace talks in saudi arabia tomorrow. and after it emerged that triple killer kyle clifford watched andrew tate videos before his deadly attack. i'll before his deadly attack. i'll be talking about violence against women and girls with heather binning, a founding member of the women's rights network. as ever, we've got 90 minutes of punchy politics to come. do not even think of going anywhere. but before all that, with me now to review the sunday front pages is the deputy and us editor of the spectator, freddie grey. freddie, lovely to see you this morning. good morning. >> this is your debut on my. >> this is your debut on my. >> show, so welcome. it is

right. papers full of. as you can imagine, the reform infighting. so we've got nigel farage writing for the sunday telegraph, in defence of some of the claims that rupert lowe has been making in his own defence on x. it's all getting very pubuc on x. it's all getting very public this freddie. i do question the wisdom of dirty laundry being washed so publicly. but what's farage saying? >> farage is trying to, i think, get out ahead of it all in a way and say, you know, nobody likes this infighting. i'm nipping it in the bud. now, this is why we had to deal with with rupert lowe. it doesn't look great for reform. that's obviously true. however, i do think the reform party are right to say that the tory party are enjoying this a bit too much that lots of commentators who don't like reform are trying to sort of create a major split in the party. whereas if you talk to a lot of people in reform, i think there was an acknowledgement that ever since rupert lowe got retweeted by elon musk.

>> yes. >> yes. >> then he went a little bit the ego. i mean, he says farage has got a messianic complex. i believe rupert lowe messianic complex might be quite significant. >> could be a battle of the egos. so yes, just to remind everyone, elon musk suggested that actually nigel farage didn't have what it takes to lead reform because he said he wouldn't welcome tommy robinson into the movement. elon musk, along with other us figures like jordan peterson, has tried to give tommy robinson a voice saying he's kind of the victim of overzealous police and judicial activity and making the point that he has spoken up for the victims of the rape gangs. >> and he kept retweeting rupert lowe. so, so, so the interesting thing there is they started to actually obviously create content on x that was fishing for an elon musk retweet. >> yes. >> yes. >> and so he went into the sort of robinson territory. >> but the timing of this is curious. and i'm going to be asking richard tice this the deputy leader when he comes on the show a little later. it does seem odd that these allegations

apparently refer to something that happened in december, and then they bring out that statement within hours of rupert lowe giving an interview to our gb news colleague andrew pierce for the daily mail, questioning nigel farage's fitness to be prime minister. the timing is curious, freddie. >> it's not curious. i mean, it's just very obvious, isn't it? it's very obvious. it's very obvious. and what's funny about it is nobody's actually talking about the allegations. nobody's got any interest in these allegations really. it's just obviously they've had they've had enough of lowe. they want to get rid of him. they've been sitting on this for a while, one suspects, and they just did it this week. after that interview. >> we shall be investigating the matter further with richard tice a little later. let's move on to the front page of the mail on sunday. welcome to the uk gunman who says death to all jews. what's this about, freddie? >> this is about someone called abu wadi, who? interestingly, the home office has no idea where where he is, it seems, or are not willing to tell us. >> this is a question for pat mcfadden. it is a question where is this guy who wants jews to be

killed? was associated with hamas . pictured with ak 47 hamas. pictured with ak 47 seconds, gets escorted to british shores by the uk border force. how wonderful for him exactly. >> and it is. it's not the only one of these cases that we've read about in recent months. there are quite a few obvious militants who are not being turned away. they're actually being welcomed into the country, it seems, and i mean, it also ties in rather nicely with the story on the front page of the telegraph about how palestinian palestinian groups. >> the times. >> the times. >> sorry, times. no no no no, i'm getting muddled. i'm getting muddled. >> sorry. no. >> sorry. no. >> go on. no, there's a russia's plot. that's right. this is it. russia's plot. so what we're seeing is that authoritarian countries are keen to use migration as a weapon of war. yes. and so what a lot of these migrants that are coming through are being sort of funnelled through by china and russia. and it's a it's a very dangerous dynamic that our government isn't dealing with.

>> so to just destabilise european countries, create divisions between populations, probably distract europe with this idea of keeping the migrant numbers down. then they're turning a blind eye to other, more perhaps significant foreign policy issues. is that what this is all about? >> yes. i mean, i remember at the beginning of the ukraine war, i went there and there was a huge line of migrants from all over the world queuing up outside ukraine to get into poland, and they've been bused in from belarus, obviously an ally of russia. and so what's going on there is that putin and belarus are saying we'll use migrants to create instability in europe, to create political problems in europe. and that's been going on for a long time. >> well, we'll talk about the relationship between putin and trump in just a minute, because there's an interesting piece by dan hodges in the mail on sunday. before that, though, you did refer to the sunday times front page story. now, this is about this group, palestine action. we've just had a pro—palestinian activist removed from big ben yesterday, which seems to me to be posing serious

questions about the security of the houses of parliament. and now we've got this expose about how much devastation, really, palestine action has been causing. it's had 356 direct actions since 2020, causing millions of pounds worth of damage. tell me more. >> well, you would have thought, wouldn't you, that it would be possible to clamp down on palestine action. but it doesn't seem to happen. they seem to be able to act almost with impunity. >> what sorts of things do they do? >> they vandalised donald trump's golf course. right. which is probably not the most serious thing they've done. they target defence companies and groups that they think are helping to fund the war in israel, and they are clearly there to cause as much instability. their goal is to cause as much instability with any group that they associate with israel. clearly anti—semitic. and it's not something that a government is getting a grip on. and why not is the question. >> well, why do you think it

isn't? i mean, there's been an interesting debate, actually, since october the 7th about the sort of hands off approach, particularly with the pro—palestinian marches. i mean, the point was made to me recently that there is something hugely ironic about people being able to wave, for instance, the hezbollah flag down the streets of our capital when it's actually banned in middle eastern countries. why do you think the government hasn't done enough about both pro—palestinian marches, who seem to be sailing too close to the wind on terrorist support? and indeed, groups like palestine action? >> well, i think i mean, at the labour party level, i think there is a lot of sympathy there for groups like palestinian action. there's a sense that israel has behaved very badly and therefore 1529 00:08:48,984 --> 00:08:49