Skip to main content

tv   Nancy Grace  HLN  July 12, 2009 8:00pm-9:00pm EDT

8:00 pm
breaking news, the mystery in the sudden death on michael jackson intensifies. as 20,000 people pack the staple center arena l.a. millions around the world looking on. questions mount on his sudden death. this after the billion-dollar empire and custody of the three little children. jackson's 14 karat goal bedecked proceed meethian casket on display in front of his 11-year-old girl during her heart-wrenching tribute to her father. but just a few mile away, legal eagles and homicide investigators working around the clock. bomb shell tonight. the location of jackson's
8:01 pm
embalmed body still shrouded in mystery. how, how do you lose a gold bedecked promethean casket and thousands watching the casket exit an arena? was he ever even in the casket? tonight, we learn the body may have been smuggled out through the arena's underground tunnels in an unmarked van, while a black hearse seemingly bearing jackson's body. we confirm, a portion of jackson's brain missing from the body was held for testing and the jackson family is fighting, boiling over. father joe jackson and the jackson brothers, pushing for burial in the backyard of neverland. lays the groundwork for a graceland like michael jackson
8:02 pm
burial theme park. we learn sisters janet pled with jackson and the family for an intervention to save his life. that never happened after jackson ordered his fleet of body guards to keep family away, even refusing call from his 79-year-old mother. investigators reveal the superstar's veins riddled with track marks, many veins actually collapsing from iv use confirming an autopsy report, branding as a fake. jackson's skin paper white. white as a t-shirt. his head bald. his head emaciated. all in direct contrast to private video of jackson's full dress rehearsal just hours before his death. multiple vials of drugs found in his home. drugs banned for consumer use, only kept behind locked doors in
8:03 pm
the o.r. jackson ingesting up to 10,000 prescription pills in just six months. five specific doctors now under suspicion of drugging an addict who happened to be a superstar. as vultures circle jackson's dead body, the fate of his three children unknown. >> he's not breathing. >> michael jackson's dermatologist confirm a series of powerful sedatives to help him sleep during at least one tour. >> he said he warned jackson not to take diprivan again. >> sources involved in the investigation says jackson had numerous track marks on his arms and those could certainly be consistent with the regular i.v. use of a drug like diprivan. >> new details of how far michael jackson's family went to
8:04 pm
get him off drugs. >> it was 2007, two years after michael jackson's trial for child molestation. >> in material 2007, he was believed to be living in this large home. >> sources close to the family say janet jackson visited him at that house and was shocked. told the house was nearly barren of furniture. it was the sight of an extremely thin disheveled michael jackson. >> he said i wanted an virks, because i know that the first drop when i look it a and i see the first drop hit my veins, i'm asleep and i sleep very well. and i just need to sleep. >> same concentration, come in different vials. you can draw it up in a syringe and inject it into a vein. you have to place an intravenous catheter in a person through a vein. and then you can hook up an intravenous line.
8:05 pm
>> tonight, right to ohio. mommy leads a convict sex offender still in lockdown to take mommy on a camping trip. they took along water, provisions, and mommy's 4-year-old baby girl. that's right. the baby girl alone in the car with a sex predator. after leaving cops on a manhunt, they zero in on an isolated commune type retreat 2,000 mile away. san diego. there hidden amongst a peace loving group raising avocados, cops rescue baby haleigh. is the baby headed not to the arm of her own grandmother but to state foster care? why?
8:06 pm
>> little haleigh holding her teddy bear in one hand, she waves with the other. >> i know they would have been found. >> haylee will be brought back. >> police stay child was taken by a convicted sex offender, 27-year-old robin potter. the girl's mother, 24-year-old candice watson on may 31st. just a few days earlier, pot her escaped from a halfway house in mansfield, ohio. but the fugitive's flight ended when authorities caught up with him here in san diego county at a christian retreat in valley center. >> they were still surprisingly in the same truck. that was spotted out in that area. i cannot could not plimt the media enough here for getting the message out and they were out there for us. >> candice watson was escorted out, now off to jail. >> it's hard. they were saying that she was
8:07 pm
there. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. the mystery surrounding the sudden death of music superstar michael jackson intensifies. >> i got this chill through my body. and i said, michael, if you take that medicine, you might not wake up. >> we have a personal doctor here with him. >> he's not responding to anything. he's not responding to cpr or anything. >> michael jackson's dermatologist said he is not surprised that police found bottles of prescription drugs in jackson's home. tend singer had struggled with addiction before. >> the investigation seem to have a very narrow focus right now, focusing on prescription drug and whether or not they contributed to michael jackson's death. and of course, which -- >> only days before his death, a
8:08 pm
stark contrast to report the star was in pain and needed it in the past due to painful procedures. >> the family had been concerned. according tower on sources, michael jackson would refuse to see anybody who would try to stop him from taking these drugs. one source said he would shut them out. >> this is a serious drug. no side effects. >> i said michael, it isn't safe. >> the bottom line, it can cause death. >> three types of vials it comes in. it looks like milk. it is a liquid. you can draw it up in a syringe just like this. in a large syringe. pure deppry van can come through an i.v. line like this with precision dosing. or you can regulate it with your hand like this. give too much, you can kill the concern, stop breathing. >> straight out to ian drew, editor with "us" weekly.
8:09 pm
thank you for being with us. where is the body? again, i still don't understand how a 14 karat gold bedecked promethian casket can get lost. >> i'm not sure there was either the body in the casket at that memorial. we know that the casket was there. the body is being held under lock and key until they figure out what to do with it. [ inaudible ]
8:10 pm
8:11 pm
8:12 pm
8:13 pm
8:14 pm
michael jackson's family was apparently worried he had a drug problem. we've learn they even attempted an intervention two years ago. it apparently started with michael sister's janet. two sources close to the family
8:15 pm
telling cnn that janet visited his vegas home in 2007 and was shocked. one source said the house had almost no furniture, looked a bit creepy, and michael himself appeared very thin and disshelf at that time. that february, janet then attended the nba all-star game with two of the brothers. she asked them to go to michael's house to try to convince him to get some help but michael reportedly ordered security not to let them in. >> welcome back. straight back out to ian drew with "us weekly." speaking of where the body will be buried, a lot of legal hurdles that have to go through before you can put a body, a dead body out in the back of your yard. all right? >> in fact, there are statutes against that so people don't start getting rid of dead bosnia a bodies. we're starting a cemetery in the backyard. i understand father joe and the brothers are behind this. >> absolutely.
8:16 pm
>> and what we said earlier was correct. michael did not want to be buried there. after he left, he planned never to go back. he felt violated after the home was raided by police during the second child molestation trial. he only stayed because it was close to the trial, and the day that he was set free, he left. he never went back. he never wanted anything more to do with it. >> to make a modern day graceland? is that what they like, like elvis' home? >> absolutely. to make money. this is the best way they can use to pay down his debt. despite everything, this will be a constant revenue stream for both the family and his children. >> can't you just imagine all the tourists from abroad and domestic, flooding neverland to go to pay respects to jackson's grace. there you see it. all about making money. bethany, it will ever end?
8:17 pm
inaudible [ inaudible ]
8:18 pm
this was february of 2007, after a visit with michael jackson. janet jackson felt, she became very concerned about his health. she said he was very emaciated. she wanted to stage this intervention. she tried to get the help of her brothers to get onboard with it. there are reports about this intervention that was going to happen. the jackson family ended up releasing a statement to "people" magazine where certain members of the family signed bought but janet jackson's name was missing from that statement released. >> special guests joining us
8:19 pm
tonight. a rabbi, thank you for being with us. he is a jackson former rabbi and author of "kosher sutra." rabbi, thank you for being with us. sir, were you familiar with jackson's drug use? >> to be honest, we're not children here. the whole of america, the whole of the world was familiar. >> that is a yes? >> anyone who saw him in 2005 trial saw that he was out to lunch. michael had a terrible affliction of a soul that he interpreted as an ailment of the body. everything hurt. he always had doctors who did not seem to be all that credible and legitimate, who were around him. as you see from this intervention, anyone, including me, who always -- would say to him, you're poisoning yourself and killing yourself, was quickly on the outs. you had a choice, you could sit around and watch him do this and self-destruct or you could leave. but anyone, the media included, to pretend they didn't see during the 2005 trial that michael jackson was mentally absent, only his body was
8:20 pm
present, he came to court in his pajamas for goodness sakes. clearly he was on something very strong. >> we know, rabbi, for instance, allegedly in the case of pop star britney spears, she was committed in order to seek treatment. her father now running her estate. now, why didn't that happen with michael jackson to save his life? >> because unfortunately here you have a family that, the dysfunction has become too corrosive. michael may have died of demerol, i don't know what it was, but his drug of choice was fame. it hurt this family from the moment they became famous. it's a clear inability to deal with superstardom. michael reached an echelon where no one could reach him. there were no right and wrong. there was in rules. he lived by his own rules. terribly and tragically it killed him.
8:21 pm
8:22 pm
8:23 pm
8:24 pm
8:25 pm
8:26 pm
8:27 pm
8:28 pm
8:29 pm
8:30 pm
it's a mystery. michael jackson's sudden death at age 50. what killed him? sources are telling cnn the singer's arms were riddled with marks, and the veins had collapsed. both characteristics that experts say you find in people who use i.v. drugs. >> our source cautioned investigators can't say right now if diprivan i.v. drip caused the track marks on jackson's arms. >> pure diprivan can be pumped through an i.v. line just like this with precision dosing through a pump, or you can regulate it with your hand like this.
8:31 pm
give too much, and you can kill the person, stop breathing. >> diprivan, when you use it in the o.r. you need oxygen to be administered to monitor your vitals and to keep basically your heart beating. >> so there was a couple of occasions during my time of employment that i noticed dr. murray exiting the kitchen area, through the side door, to the driveway area, carrying a couple of oxygen tanks. >> the fact that there was oxygen tanks inside that home raises all kinds of red flags. >> another source says jackson was emaciated, that his scalp was bald and his skin paper white. >> straight out to brad land, board certified interventionist at www.changesomeoneyoulove.com. brad, thank you for being with us. you're hearing all this about a staged intervention. jackson locking the family out of neverland, sticking his fleet of bodyguards on his own family. not taking calls from his 79-year-old mother.
8:32 pm
that's not unusual behavior for a drug addict. but brad, here's my question. to use this drug, it's like a sedative in the o.r., the operating room. you've got to be hooked in. that means a doctor's got to be there the whole time you're hooked in. and we know the personal chef, who we just saw, says he sees oxygen tanks coming in and out and that a doctor would come at night. and leave in the morning. in fact, he's quoted as saying he thought jackson was having an affair with the male doctor. because the doctor would come at night and leave in the morning. >> i think it speaks to the relationship between a person and the drug, which is as close as a lover. when you step in and try to intervene, it's like peeling the bark off a tree. as we hear reports about them trying to step in, i think they did a few things that could have been better. one, showing up en masse and not taking no for an answer. really in an intervention no is a conversation starter. two, this is really important, and i think a lot of people can
8:33 pm
relate to this, if the kids are involved like in this case they are, you step in and you get the kids out of this situation, and oftentimes that will be the thing that will help break through the denial of addiction. >> it's just amazing to me that a doctor, can you just imagine -- >> but -- >> the image of a doctor there in a mobile unit, a van, shooting jackson up and keeping the -- >> unfortunately i can. >> -- catheter in the arm overnight? >> i can. if you and i were to step out of the studio here at cnn and walk two blocks, we could get these drugs and other drugs within blocks of cnn here. it's just that easy. >> diprivan? >> absolutely. >> how? >> there are just that many -- >> i've never in all my years of prosecuting drug use, drug trafficking, i've never heard of a diprivan addict, ever. >> i think -- if you can equate a drug dealer with a doctor that's misprescribing, you've got a pretty good correlation there. >> have you ever seen a case where somebody takes diprivan
8:34 pm
every night to sleep? >> i haven't seen diprivan, but i've even other intravenous opiates overnight. >> for two straight hours? >> i've never seen that. >> you said we could get it a block from cnn. >> i'm sure we could go get diprivan, though. >> you know, that's very unusual. doctor wa, where is diprivan kept? how would a doctor get access to it? >> you really have to get a license to get a prescription for this. it's not a common drug, so it is not over the counter. you really have to get a dea license to prescribe this kind of drug. >> let's take a listen to one of the doctor's allegedly named as one of the five under suspicion by the l.a. coroners. here's jackson's dermatologist, allegedly, the biological father of his children. dr. arnold klein. take a listen. >> there was even one report that you were the biological father of the children.
8:35 pm
do you know if you are? >> not to the best of my knowledge. all i can tell you to the best of my knowledge, i'm not the father of these children. i'm telling you, if push comes to shove, i can't say anything about it. but to the best of my knowledge, i'm not the father of these children. i once donated sperm. >> larry: once? >> to a sperm bank. i don't think i should go over my legal affairs. i think to the best of my knowledge, i'm not the father. but i want to tell you this discussion, however, is between michael's children and this person. it's not to be discussed who the father is over national television. >> what's he doing giving sperm to a sperm bank? all along, that's dr. arnold klein, longtime friend of michael jackson. he was on abc's "good morning america." he says, no, no, i'm not the dad. to my knowledge. the whole time he's looking away from the camera. he can't look in the lens. then he goes, oh, yeah, there was that time i donated sperm. okay. alexis martin neely, a state attorney, family law attorney.
8:36 pm
alexis, this sounds like he's screaming, yeah, i'm probably the father. >> he very well could be saying exactly that without wanting to say it publicly. he's probably under some sort of agreement. he probably got paid for it if he is the father. like he's saying, he doesn't want to discuss it in the media. that would be something he would discuss privately with the children at some point possibly. >> well, would that have any effect on the estate if we find out who the biodad is? >> absolutely not. >> okay. no effect. >> no. >> no effect. out to dr. bethany marshall. dr. bethany, did you observe his demeanor when he was saying no, no, to my knowledge? wouldn't you know if you were the dad? and suddenly do an about-face and say, well, there was that time i donated sperm. >> you know what i think? i think what's happening is he wants to inject himself into the notoriety of the case. he wants the public to know that indeed he's possibly the dad. but as alexis just said, he's
8:37 pm
under a confidentiality agreement. and he can't say so. can i say something about the addiction that i think is important to clear up? i think the likelihood is not that jackson was addicted to diprivan, i think he was addicted to benzos and opiates. and that he took so many of those that he was having withdrawal effects, meaning rebound insomnia, anxiety and agitation. and the doctor instead of medicating the rebound anxiety and insomnia gave him diprivan to cover it up. and that's the malpractice. and it's egregious. >> back to the rabbi. he is michael jackson's former rabbi. rabbi, were you familiar with any of these doctors prescribing all these medications, or obtaining them for michael jackson? >> nancy, when i was with michael, the -- what we were trying to do is rehabilitate his life. this is man who had no purpose to live. it was the children who kept him alive. he was burned out.
8:38 pm
michael couldn't consecrate his celebrity to a higher cause. it was a prison for him. and we went to oxford university together to give a lecture. and michael came with a cast. he has a broken foot suddenly. he always had some ailment, some bodily ailment. people will famously remember he was bit by a spider. and that would mean that a doctor had to accompany him. that was always odd, we always wondered who are these doctors. where do they practice? they never gave good answers. and michael was protective of their being around. i used to say to michael all the time, you know this is poison and this is going to kill you. he knew. once he came out very light headed and woozy, the next night he was having dinner at our home, friday night chabat dinner, and michael decides to stand during dinner. i said, why are you standing? he said, i took your advice and decided not to have the medication because i know it's bad for me. he always knew this was bad. there were always two michael
8:39 pm
jacksons. the outpouring of love you see, there was a soft, gentle side to him. he was a celebrity and he was a little bit different. he could be gentle and exhibit that spirit. if you tried to intervene at all, he did shut you out. he called his mother a saint, but he would not take her calls either. i'm certain that's true. if you tried to separate him from what he needed to live, he would make sure that he separated himself from you. a special 80th birthday. a friend of show. mrs. grace bryant from all of your loved ones, mrs. bryant, happy birthday.
8:40 pm
8:41 pm
8:42 pm
8:43 pm
are you ready to get your butt kicked? >> from the start their marriage seemed like a business deal. michael jackson wanted children, and debbie rowe wanted to provide them. in the end jackson got his kids and rowe became a very rich woman. how rich? $8.5 million rich. court documents show rowe was to be paid $1 million up front and another $1 million paid over three years. on top of that, payments of $750,000 for the next six years. but in 2006 rowe went back to court describing herself as deep in debt as she put it by the end of the 2005 the entire $265,000 was long gone. >> michael jackson is notorious for going into the deal and cheating the person out for what
8:44 pm
they're owed. >> rowe's attorney says she hasn't decided to seek custody. if she does, some speculate money is her motivation. >> the kids get 80% of the estate, and there will be child support. there are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake here. >> after rowe and jackson split, he set her up in an expensive beverly hills home. today with money tight, she lives in a modest ranch house on a farm outside los angeles. >> she lives in the community that's moderate to low income. she leads a very humble lifestyle. >> certainly not the lifestyle she enjoyed at neverland. >> since jackson's death, these are the casualties overseas. casey hill, joe what hazelwood, timothy david, roger adams.
8:45 pm
all of these brave soldiers have lost their lives since michael jackson's untimely death. yet they are unsung. tonight we remember them. i'm going quickly to ian drew with "us weekly." his article regarding the jackson death and the events leading up to it comes out and hits the newsstand tomorrow. debbie rowe is making a horrible, horrible impression, and how will she convince a court otherwise after all her statements in the past about not wanting the children? >> it's going to be very tough. what will make it tougher is what we saw at the memorial the other day. the kids are very clearly comfortable and very happy within the jackson family despite their criticism.
8:46 pm
so it's going to be a lot to convince a judge that we should pull them out of this family atmosphere they're very comfortable and happy in, that they seem very much in love with the other family members, particularly janet jackson and katherine jackson, and then to go to this strange woman's home who they don't know as their mother. they have visited her a few times in the past, but they were never told she was the mother and they think of her as a friend. >> to ellie, we know dr. klein might be under suspicion. who is the others? >> we confirm that dr. kline is on the list as well as dr. conrad murray, the doctor with michael as he collapsed. >> didn't he do sleepovers and actually stay in the home overnight quite often? >> other staff members say five nights a week he was there overnight with michael jackson. >> they were not lovers. that was not a romantic relationship. what was he doing there overnight, doug burns?
8:47 pm
>> the concert promoters wanted to make sure there was a physician there 24 hours a day. it was part of the london tour where he does 50 shows. that's an intense schedule. they had a physician there. >> you said 24 hours a day. why come overnight and leave in the morning? >> he was going to be there around the clock apparently in case there were emergencies. >> he would come at night and leave in the morning? >> is that what it was? >> that's the reports we're getting, but i'm impressed with your logic, that it was part of the insurance. that was part of the whole plan, to keep him fit. i'm driving at somebody was shooting him up and somebody had to be there and attend him with oxygen, which we know was there, and he was only there overnight. so it looks bad. >> it looks terrible. he's not the only doctor, dr. murray. there are a number of physicians that attended to michael jackson all the time over and over again. >> you're right.
8:48 pm
>> and people made great points if you wouldn't give him what he wanted, he'd move on to the next one. shifting gears, a little girl taken on the lamb by her mom is now headed not to the loving arm of her grandmother but to foster care? >> little haylee donavan was last seen may 28th with her mother and sex offender boyfriend who was just released from prison. >> all these have some surveillance footage they say shows a missing 4-year-old girl. >> spoke with a woman who actually works here at this walmart. she said that candice came in to the store by herself. >> the mom is in the walmart soefl that means she leaves the 4-year-old baby girl alone and defenseless. >> straight out to michael, news direct o'with mran. why is the little girl, i get why she is not going with the
8:49 pm
mom. mom is facing felony charges. why not the grandmother? >> we can tell you that there will be a jurisdictional hearing in san diego county that will send haylee back to ohio. and word from the richland county services department is very, very vague. they already have a foster home set up for her here and they do have a visitation schedule set up for haylee's grandmother. as for the reason why, we can only take a look at the family and the surroundings that she's been put in and speculate. >> to heather, the attorney for mary watson, that is grandmother. why? >> specifically asking why she continues to be in shelter care? >> why isn't she coming home to the grandmother? >> i don't know what is taking so long to get her from san diego home. i know that there is a children's services investigation going on and the grandmother certainly hope that haylee come.
8:50 pm
there is some bureaucracy going on. >> that's not my question. she's not going to the grab mother. she is going to foster care. >> that's correct. >> why? >> children services took emergency custody. based on the unknowns in the situation. what's happening is mrs. watson agreed to cooperate with children's services for a short period of time so that we can get haylee back to ohio. and so that the juvenile court can determine what's in her best interests. >> matt, explain to me why she's not going to the grandmother. >> what's interesting is she got emergency custody when haylee was taken by the mom and the sex offender boyfriend. cps has done an investigation at the house and unfortunately they revealed they don't think it's a safe environment. they want haylee with a foster family. >> miss watson, what got into her to romance a convicted sex offender from behind bars? i mean, she knew he was in prison for a sex offense with a minor.
8:51 pm
>> no, she did not know. >> well, didn't she meet him behind parbars? >> no, as far as i know, she did not. he has manipulated her.
8:52 pm
8:53 pm
8:54 pm
little haylee done than, safe in the arms of a san diego deputy. holding her teddy bear in one hand, she waved with the other. >> i never lost hope at all. i knew the u.s. marshals were doing their jobs and i know they would have been found. >> haylee is going to be brought back to this area. >> police say the child was taken by a convicted sex offender action 27-year-old robby potter, and the girl's mother, 24-year-old candace watson, on may 31st. a few days earlier potter had escaped from a halfway house in mansfield, ohio. the fugitives' flights ended when authorities caught up with them in san diego county at a christian retreat in valley center. >> they were still surprisingly
8:55 pm
in the same truck. that was spotted out in that area. i cannot compliment the media enough here for getting the message out for us. i know "the nancy grace show" was out there for us. >> candace watson is escorted off to jail. >> i do. i mean, it's hard. when they were saying she dyed her hair. that's just more evidence that she was probably helping him. >> i wasn't really losing hope. but at the same time, it's definitely a scary -- i'm just excited to hold her and get her in my arms. >> straight back to matt zarell. i'm still not getting the clear picture as to why the blood grandmother is not getting custody. now, the attorney heather cockley is just saying, well, there's a slow-down in moving her back to ohio. no, she's not going to grandma, she's going into foster care. >> what's interesting is mary
8:56 pm
watson a couple of weeks ago told us the mother, candace watson, did not know robby potter was a section offend letter are apparently when cops arrested her, candace watson admitted she did know he was a sex offender, did know he was violating his probation, did help him to escape and agreed to do it. >> the fact then that the grandmother may have covered for the daughter, who's now behind bars, would that have anything to do with it? >> yes, nancy. the authorities want to make sure this child's going to be released into a safe environment. >> got it. >> given the fact that she has two children that are right now both alleged criminals, it certainly is under scrutiny what's going to happen. >> you're right. the daughter helped a sex offender bust out and the son is a sex offender. to doug burns, what do you make of that? >> no, i mean, to explain the difference between your analysis and what the lawyer said is i think there may be another court hearing in which they're going to all go in front of the judge and social services are going to say, we still have this under investigation, we want her in our custody.
8:57 pm
then the lawyer for the grandmother may take the opposite position. >> you're right, doug burns, again. everyone, let's stop and remember army chief warrant officer 3 blaine hefner, hubbard, ohio. dreamed of enlisting just like his grandfather. a sweet spirit. loved the pittsburgh steelers, riding his harley, charity rides and flying. my lifestyle may not add years to my life but it adds life to my years. leaves behind parents, stan and renee, brother william, three sisters janelle, kerry, rebecca. 5-year-old daughter, katherine. blaine hepfner, american hero. thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. i'll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.
8:58 pm
8:59 pm
i'm sorry. i can't hear you very well. announcer: does someone you know have trouble hearing on the phone? dad. dad, let me help you with that, okay? announcer: now, a free phone service shows captions of everything a caller says. i'd like to make an appointment to see the doctor. announcer: to learn more about captioned telephone, call 1-800-552-7724 or go to our website. i'll see you at 3:00!

181 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on