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s.c. johnson, a family company. breaking news tonight. the mystery in the sudden death on music icon michael jackson intensifies as 20,000 people pack the staples center arena, l.a., millions around the world looking on. questions mount on his sudden death. his $500 million empire, and more important, the custody of the star's three little children. jackson's 14 karat gold bedecked promeethian casket on display in front of his 11-year-old little girl during her heart-wrenching
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tribute to her father. just a few miles away, legal eagles and homicide investigators working around the clock. bombshell tonight. the location of jackson's embalmed body still shrouded in mystery. how? how do you lose a gold-bedecked promethian casket with 20 helicopters hovering, and thousands watching the casket exit an arena? was he ever even in the casket? tonight we learn the body may have been smuggled out through the arena's secret underground tunnels in an unmarked van. while fans mobbed a black hearse seemingly bearing jackson's body. we confirm a portion of jackson's brain missing from the body. withheld for testing. and the jackson family infighting boiling over. father joe jackson and the jackson brothers pushing for burial in the backyard of neverland. laying the groundwork for a
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graceland-like michael jackson burial theme park. we learned sister janet pled with jackson and the family for an intervention to save his life. well, that never happened. after jackson ordered his fleet of bodyguards to keep family away, even refusing calls from his 79-year-old mother. investigators reveal that superstar's veins riddled with track marks. many veins collapsing from i.v. use, confirming an autopsy report surfacing last week, many branded as a fake. jackson's skin, paper white, white as a t-shirt. his head bald. his body, emaciated. all in direct contrast to private video of jackson's full dress rehearsal just hours before his death. multiple vials of drugs found in jackson's home. drugs banned for consumer use.
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only kept behind locked doors in the o.r. jackson ingesting up to 10,000 prescription pills in just six months. five specific doctors now under suspicion of drugging an addict who happened to be a superstar. as vultures circle jackson's dead body, the fate of his three children, unknown. >> he's not breathing, sir. >> okay. and he's not conscious it'ser? >> he's not conscious, sir. >> michael jackson's dermatologist said he had a powerful sedative to help him sleep during at least one tour. dr. arnold klein warned jackson not to take diprivan again. >> a source involved with the investigation tells jackson had "numerous track marks on his arms." and that those marks "could certainly be consistent with a regular i.v. use of a drug. like diprivan."
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>> new details of how far michael jackson's family went to get him off drugs. >> it was 2007, two years after michael jackson's trial for child molestation in california. >> he was scarred and almost disappeared. in early 2007, he was believed to be living in this large rented home. two sources close to the family say janet jackson visited him at that house, and was shocked. we were told the house was nearly barren of furniture, creepy looking according to one source. but it was the sight of an extremely thin, disheveled michael jackson that upset janet jackson. >> he said, i wanted -- i want an iv because i know that the first drop when i look at it and i see the first drop hit my veins, i'm asleep. and i sleep very well. and i just need sleep. >> it's supplied in vials in the same concentration, comes in different vials. you can draw it up in the syringe and inject it into a vein. what you have to do is you have to place an intravenous catheter in a person through a vein.
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and then you can hook up an intravenous line. and tonight, live to ohio, mommy meets a convicted sex offender, still in lockdown, who takes mommy on a camping trip. what do they take along, food, water, provisions and mommy's 4-year-old baby girl. that's right. the baby girl alone in the car with a sex predator. after leading cops on a manhunt, they zero in on an isolated commune-type retreat 2,000 miles away. san diego. there, hidden amongst a peace-loving group, raising avocados, cops rescue baby haylee. as we go to air, is the baby headed not to the arms of her own grandmother, but to state foster care? why?
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little haylee donathan safe in the arms of a san diego deputy, holding her teddy bear in one hand, she waves with the other. >> i never lost hope at all. i knew that the u.s. marshals were doing their job. i know she would have been found. >> haylee is going to be brought back to this area. >> police say the child was taken by a convicted sex offender, 27-year-old robbi potter, and the girl's mother, 24-year-old candace watson, on may 31st. just a few days earlier, potter had escaped from a halfway house in mansfield, ohio. but the fugitive's flight ended when authorities caught up with them here in san diego county at a christian retreat in valley center. >> they were surprisingly in the same truck. that was spotted out in that area. i cannot compliment the media enough here for getting the message out for us. i know "the nancy grace show" was out there for us. >> candace watson was escorted out. now off to jail. >> do you think she deserves anything? >> i do.
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you know, it's hard. they were saying she dyed her hair. kind of makes me sick. that's more evidence she was probably helping him. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. the mystery surrounding the sudden death of music superstar michael jackson intensifies. >> i got a chill through my body. and i said, michael, if you take that medicine, you might not wake up. >> we have a personal doctor here with us, sir. >> you have a doctor there? >> yes, but he's not responding to anything. to no -- he's not responding to cpr or anything. >> michael jackson's dermatologist says he's not surprised that police found numerous bottles of prescription drugs in jackson's home. he said the singer had struggled with addiction before. >> the investigation seems to have a very narrow focus right now. focusing on prescription drugs, and whether or not they contributed to michael jackson's death. and of course, which doctors supplied them. >> only days before his death,
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it's a stark contrast to reports the star was in pain and needed -- due to painful procedures. >> the family had been concerned, and according to both our sources, michael jackson would simply refuse to see anybody who tried to stop him from using drugs. one source saying that if you tried to deal with him, he would shut you out. >> this is a very serious drug. no side effects. he said, it is safe. i said, michael, it isn't. the bottom line, it can cause death. >> these are the three types of vials that diprivan comes in. it looks like milk. it's a liquid. you can draw it up in a large syringe. just like this. pure diprivan can be pumped through an i.v. line just like this with precision dosing through a pump, or you can regulate it with your hand like this. give too much, and you can kill the person, stop breathing. >> straight out to ian drew,
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editor with "us weekly." ian, thank you for being with us. where's the body? and again, i still don't understand how a 14-karat gold bedecked promethean casket can get lost. >> i'm not sure that there was even a body in the casket at that memorial. we know that the casket was there. the body is being held under lock and key right now until they figure out what to do with it. as we know, the problem with neverland is, that the town around neverland does not want it there. they do not want a memorial. they do not want anything. they are rejecting it time and time again. every time this comes before them. of course, the family desperate for money sees this as a way to make money. but it's not necessarily the best thing that the town is interested in. >> you know, to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer. what ian is saying has a ring of truth. we know that michael jackson was somehow obsessed with elvis
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presley, which culminated that obsession in the marriage to presley's natural daughter, lisa marie presley. it's my understanding that father joe jackson, the jackson brothers, are insisting he be buried at neverland, a place that he eschewed, he hated it after the police raid on the child molestation charges. tonight we don't know where the body is. it's kept under lock and key in a secure area. why? what can you tell me about those underground tunnels there at staples center arena, and who is trying to stop the burial of jackson's remains at neverland? >> well, nancy, there's a bunch of reports out there about how this body may have been transported out of staples center without a trail of media behind it. one report out there by e-news is the staples center was built with numerous underground tunnels. one tunnel goes over to the nokia theater right across the street. other tunnels go to hotels nearby so performers could walk right from backstage to their hotel without
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having to go out on the street. the theory is jackson's body, or the casket, was loaded into some kind of unmarked truck that went out of these tunnels, looking like any kind of equipment truck and maybe the media didn't notice it. >> for all we know, ellie, his body was not in the gold casket but at that moment was being smuggled through the kitchen of the hilton hotel? >> well, or another theory out there is that the body actually never even left forest lawn. that this was a casket that may have been empty. the whole time the body stayed at forest lawn. and we just don't know right now which of these theories is correct.
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michael's sister, janet. two sources close to the family telling cnn that janet visited his vegas home in early 2007, and was shocked. one source said the house had almost no furniture, looked a bit creepy and michael himself seemed very thin and disheveled at that time. that february janet attended the nba all-star game with the two brothers, asked them to go to michael's house with her to try to convince him to get some help. but michael reportedly ordered security not to let them in. >> welcome back. straight back out to ian drew with "us weekly." ian, speaking of where the body is going to be buried, there's a lot of legal hurdles that they have to go through before you can just put a dead body out in the back of your yard. all right? >> which is a problem, yeah. >> in fact, there are statutes against that, so people don't start getting rid of dead bodies and going, oh, it's not a dead body, we're starting a cemetery in the backyard.
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now, i understand father joe and the brothers are behind this. >> yeah. absolutely. and what was said earlier was correct, what you said, nancy. michael did not want to be buried there. after he left, he planned never to go back. he felt violated after the home was raided by police during the second child molestation trial. he only stayed because it was close to the trial, and the day he was set free, he left. he never went back. he never wanted anything more to do with it. >> to make a modern-day graceland, is that what they want, like elvis' home? >> absolutely. to make money. this is the best way that they can use to pay down his debt. despite everything, this will be a constant revenue stream for both the family and his children. >> can't you just imagine all the tourists from abroad, and domestic, flooding them -- flooding neverland to go to pay respects to jackson's grave. there you see it. it's all about making money. bethany marshall, will it ever end? making money off michael jackson's dead body?
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>> well, money held such a strange role in michael jackson's life. because so many people wanted to make money off of him. and in this case, by building sort of a graceland of sorts, for him, but also michael jackson dangled money in front of people and used it in dangerous ways to bring people to him, who supplied things that were very dangerous for him. >> to brian oxman, jackson family confidant, he is the former family attorney. he is the host of "insight" with klaa news radio. brian, thank you for being with us. brian, what can you tell me about an alleged intervention attempt by janet jackson to save his life, and an attempt that clearly failed? >> all of the family members were very concerned about michael. and they expressed their concerns. as to their attempts, they kept those pretty private, nancy. whatever they did, i know they made a great effort to try and take care of what they thought
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was an important aspect of their life. they just always were there to say that they were going to help, and they kept their private business to themselves. >> to natisha lance, our producer there on the scene. natisha, what can you tell me about janet jackson trying to stage this family intervention to save jackson's life, and him refusing, having his bodyguard, a fleet of bodyguards turning them away from the front door and even not taking his 79-year-old mother's telephone calls? >> you're absolutely right, nancy. this was february of 2007, after a visit with michael jackson. janet jackson felt, she became very concerned about his health. she said he was very emaciated. she wanted to stage this intervention. she tried to get the help of her brothers to get onboard with it. there are reports about this intervention that was going to happen. the jackson family ended up releasing a statement to "people" magazine where certain members of the family signed but janet jackson's name was missing from that statement released.
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>> special guests joining us tonight. a rabbi, thank you for being with us. he is a jackson former rabbi and author of "kosher sutra." rabbi, thank you for being with us. sir, were you familiar with jackson's drug use? >> to be honest, we're not children here. the whole of america, the whole of the world was familiar. anyone -- >> would that be a yes? >> anyone who saw him in 2005 trial saw that he was out to lunch. michael had a terrible affliction of the soul that he interpreted as an ailment of the body. everything hurt. he always had doctors who did not seem to be all that credible and legitimate, who were around him. as you see from this intervention, anyone, including me, who always -- would say to him, you're poisoning yourself and killing yourself, was quickly on the outs. you had a choice, you could sit around and watch him do this and self-destruct or you could leave. but anyone, the media included, to pretend they didn't see during the 2005 trial that michael jackson was mentally
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absent, only his body was present, he came to court in his pajamas for goodness sake. clearly he was on something very strong. >> we know, rabbi, for instance, allegedly in the case of pop star britney spears, she was committed in order to seek treatment. her father now running her estate. now, why didn't that happen with michael jackson to save his life? >> because unfortunately here you have a family that the dysfunction has become too corrosive. michael may have died of demerol, i don't know what it was, but his drug of choice was fame. it hurt this family from the moment they became famous. it's a clear inability to deal with superstardom. michael reached an echelon where no one could reach him. there were no right and wrong. there was no rules. he lived by his own rules. terribly and tragically it killed him. dddddddddd
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it's a mystery. michael jackson's sudden death at age 50. what killed him? sources are telling cnn the singer's arms were riddled with marks, and the veins had collapsed. both characteristics that experts say you find in people who use iv drugs. >> our source cautioned investigators can't say right now if a diprivan iv drip caused the track marks on jackson's arms. >> pure diprivan can be pumped through an iv line just like this with precision dosing through a pump, or you can regulate it with your hand like this.
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give too much, and you can kill the person, stop breathing. >> diprivan, when you use it in the o.r. you need oxygen to be administered to monitor your vitals and to keep basically your heart beating. >> so there was a couple of occasions during my time of employment that i noticed dr. murray exiting the kitchen area, through the side door, to the driveway area, carrying a couple of oxygen tanks. >> the fact that there was oxygen tanks inside that home raises all kinds of red flags. >> another source says jackson was emaciated, that his scalp was bald and his skin paper white. >> straight out to brad lamm, board certified interventionist at www.changesomeoneyoulove.com. brad, thank you for being with us. you're hearing all this about a staged intervention. jackson locking the family out of neverland, siccing his fleet of bodyguards on his own family. not taking calls from his 79-year-old mother. that's not unusual behavior for
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a drug addict. but brad, here's my question. to use this drug, it's like a sedative in the o.r., the operating room. you've got to be hooked in. that means a doctor's got to be there the whole time you're hooked in. and we know the personal chef, who we just saw, says he sees oxygen tanks coming in and out and that a doctor would come at night. and leave in the morning. in fact, he's quoted as saying he thought jackson was having an affair with the male doctor. because the doctor would come at night and leave in the morning. >> i think it speaks to the relationship between a person and the drug, which is as close as a lover. when you step in and try to intervene, it's like peeling the bark off a tree. as we hear reports about them trying to step in, i think they did a few things that could have been better. one, showing up en masse and not taking no for an answer. really in an intervention, no is a conversation starter. two, this is really important, and i think a lot of people can
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relate to this, if the kids are involved like in this case they are, you step in and you get the kids out of this situation, and oftentimes that will be the thing that will help break through the denial of addiction. >> it's just amazing to me that a doctor, can you just imagine -- >> but nancy -- >> conjure up the image of a doctor there in a mobile unit, a van. shooting jackson up and keeping the -- >> unfortunately i can. >> -- catheter in the arm overnight? >> i can. if you and i were to step out of the studio here at cnn and walk two blocks, we could get these drugs and other drugs within blocks of cnn here. it's just that easy. >> diprivan? you can get that? >> absolutely. >> how? >> there are just that many -- >> i've never in all my years of prosecuting drug use, drug trafficking, i've never heard of a diprivan addict, ever. >> i think -- if you can equate a drug dealer with a doctor that's misprescribing, you've got a pretty good correlation there. >> have you ever seen a case
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where somebody takes diprivan every night to sleep? >> i haven't seen diprivan, but i've even other intravenous opiates used like -- >> overnight? for ten straight hours? >> i've never seen anything like this, to be honest. >> you said we could get it a block from cnn. >> no, i'm sure we could go get diprivan, though. >> that's very unusual. doctor wa, where is diprivan kept? how would a doctor get access to it? >> you really have to get a license to get a prescription for this. it's not a common drug, so it is not over the counter. you really have to get a dea license to prescribe this kind of drug. >> let's take a listen to one of the doctors allegedly named as one of the five under suspicion by the l.a. coroners. here's jackson's dermatologist, allegedly, the biological father of his children. dr. arnold klein. take a listen. >> there was even one report that you were the biological father of the children. do you know if you are? >> not to the best of my knowledge.
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all i can tell you to the best of my knowledge, i'm not the father of these children. i'm telling you, if push comes to shove, i can't say anything about it. but to the best of my knowledge, i'm not the father of these children. i once donated sperm. >> larry: once? >> to a sperm bank. i don't think i should go over my legal affairs. i think to the best of my knowledge, i'm not the father. but i want to tell you this discussion, however, is between michael's children and this person. it's not to be discussed who the father is over national television. >> what's he doing giving sperm to a sperm bank? all along, that's dr. arnold klein, longtime friend of michael jackson. he was on abc's "good morning america." he says, no, no, i'm not the dad. to my knowledge. the whole time he's looking away from the camera. he can't look in the lens. he can't look at his interviewer. then he goes, oh, yeah, there was that time i donated sperm. okay. alexis martin neeely, a state attorney, family law attorney.
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alexis, this sounds like he's screaming, yeah, i'm probably the father. >> he very well could be saying exactly that without wanting to say it publicly. he's probably under some sort of agreement. he probably got paid for it if he is the father. like he's saying, he doesn't want to discuss it in the media. that would be something he would discuss privately with the children at some point possibly. >> well, would that have any effect on the estate if we find out who the biodad is? >> absolutely not. >> okay. no effect. >> no. >> no effect. out to dr. bethany marshall. dr. bethany, did you observe his demeanor when he was saying no, no, to my knowledge? wouldn't you know if you were the dad? and then to suddenly do an about-face and say, well, there was that time i donated sperm. >> you know what i think? i think what's happening is he wants to inject himself into the notoriety of the case. he wants the public to know that indeed he's possibly the dad. but as alexis just said, he's under a confidentiality agreement.
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and he can't say so. can i say something about the addiction that i think is important to clear up? i think the likelihood is not that jackson was addicted to diprivan, i think he was addicted to benzos and opiates. and that he took so many of those that he was having withdrawal effects, meaning rebound insomnia, anxiety and agitation. and the doctor instead of medicating the rebound anxiety and insomnia gave him diprivan to cover it up. and that's the malpractice. and it's egregious. >> back to the rabbi. he is michael jackson's former rabbi. rabbi, were you familiar with any of these doctors prescribing all these medications, or obtaining them for michael jackson? >> nancy, when i was with michael, the -- what we were trying to do is rehabilitate his life. this is man who had no purpose to live. it was the children who kept him alive. he was burned out.
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michael could not consecrate his celebrity to a higher cause. really, it was a prison for him. and we went to oxford university together to give a lecture. and michael came with a cast. he has a broken foot suddenly. he always had some ailment, some bodily ailment. people will famously remember he was bit by a spider. and that would mean that a doctor had to accompany him. that was always odd, we always wondered who are these doctors. where do they practice? they never gave good answers. and michael was protective of their being around. i used to say to michael all the time, you know this is poison don't you? and you know this is going to kill you? he knew. i remember that once after he sequestered himself with a doctor and came out light-headed and woozy, the next night he was having dinner at our house, friday night shabbat dinner, and michael decides to stand during dinner. i said, why are you standing? he said, i took your advice and decided not to have the medication because i know it's
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bad for me. he always knew this was bad. there were always two michael jacksons. the outpouring of love you see, there was a soft, gentle side to him. he was a celebrity, he was different. he could be gentle and exhibit if you tried to intervene at all, he did shut you out. i'm not surprised at all to hear -- he loved his mother and called his mother a saint but he would not take her calls either. i'm certain that's true. if you tried to separate him from what he needed to live, he would make sure he separated himself from you. as we go to break, a very special happy 80th birthday to a friend of the show, mrs. grace bryant. from all of your loved ones, mrs. bryant, happy birthday.
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are you ready to get your butt kicked? don't [ bleep ]ing touch me! >> from the start their marriage seemed like a business deal. michael jackson wanted children, and debbie rowe wanted to provide them. in the end jackson got his kids and rowe became a very rich woman. how rich? $8.5 million rich. court documents show rowe was to be paid $1 million up front and another $1 million paid over three years. on top of that, payments of $750,000 for the next six years. but in 2006 rowe went back to court describing herself as deep in debt as she put it by the end of the 2005 the entire $265,000 was long gone. >> michael jackson is notorious for going into the deal and cheating the person out for what they're owed. >> rowe's attorney says she hasn't decided whether to seek custody of the two children.
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if she does, some speculate money may be her motivation. >> the kids will ultimately get 80% of michael jackson's estate. and there will be child support. there are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake here. >> after rowe and jackson split, he set her up in an expensive beverly hills home. today with money tight, she lives in a modest ranch house on a farm outside los angeles. >> she lives in the community that's moderate to low income. she leads what should be a very humble lifestyle. >> certainly not the lifestyle she enjoyed at neverland. >> since jackson's death, these are the casualties overseas. casey hill, joe what hazelwood, casey hill, joshua hazelwood, timothy david, roger adams.
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all of these brave soldiers have lost their lives since michael jackson's untimely death. yet they are unsung. tonight we remember them. i'm going quickly to ian drew with "us weekly." his article regarding the jackson death and the events leading up to it comes out and hits the newsstand tomorrow. debbie rowe is making a horrible, horrible impression, and how will she convince a court otherwise after all her statements in the past about not wanting the children? >> it's going to be very tough. what's going to make everything even tougher what is we saw at the memorial the other day. the kids are very clearly comfortable and very happy within the jackson family despite their criticism. so it's going to be a lot to convince a judge that we should pull them out of this family
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atmosphere they're very comfortable and happy in, that they seem very much in love with the other family members, particularly janet jackson and katherine jackson, and then to go to this strange woman's home who they don't know as their mother. they have visited her a few times in the past as we report in the new issue. but they were never told she was the mother and they think of her as a friend. >> to ellie, we know dr. klein might be one of the five under suspicion by the coroners. who's the other? >> the other doctor, actually cnn confirmed from a source dr. kline is on that list, as well as dr. conrad murray, the doctor who was with michael when he collapsed. >> wouldn't he do sleepovers and actually stay in the home overnight quite often? >> right. other staff members say that five nights a week, he was there overnight with michael jackson. >> they were not lovers. that was not a romantic relationship. what was he doing there overnight, doug burns? >> the concert promoters wanted to make sure there was a physician there 24 hours a day.
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it was part of the london tour where he was going to do 50 shows. that's an intense schedule. they had a physician there. again, there's so much -- >> you said 24 hours a day. why come overnight and leave in the morning? >> wait a minute. he was going to be there around the clock apparently in case there were any emergencies -- >> no, he would come at night and leave in the morning. >> is that what it was? and that what you're telling me? >> that's the reports we're getting, but i'm impressed with your logic, that it was part of the insurance. that was part of the whole plan, to keep him fit. >> of course. >> what i'm driving a at is, somebody was shooting him up. somebody had to be there and attend him with oxygen, which we know was there. and he was only there overnight. so it looks bad. >> it looks terrible. and i'll tell you what. he's not the only doctor, dr. murray. there are a number of physicians that attended to michael jackson all the time over and over again. >> you're right. >> and people made great points which is, if you wouldn't give
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him what he wanted, he'd just move on to the next one. shifting gears, a little girl taken on the lam by her mom and a section offender out of lockdown is now headed not to the loving arms of her grandmother but to foster care? little haylee donathan safe in the arms of a san diego deputy. >> ohio investigators have turned up surveillance footage they say shows the missing 4-year-old girl. >> spoke with a woman who actually works here at this walmart. she said candace came into the store, by herself. >> the mom is in walmart, so that means she leaves the 4-year-old baby girl alone and defenseless. straight out to michael nolting, director with wmrn-am, joining us from ohio. michael, why is the little girl -- i get why she's not going with the mom. mommy's facing felony charges. why not the grandmother? >> right now we can tell you
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there's going to be a jurisdictional hearing in san diego county that will send haylee back to ohio. word from the richland county children's services department is very, very vague. and they already have a foster home set up for her here. and they do have a visitation schedule set up for haylee's grandmother. as for the reason why, we can only take a look at the family and some of the surroundings that she's been put in and speculate. >> to heather cockley, attorney for mary watson, that is the grandmother. why? >> you're specifically asking why she continues to be in shelter care? >> why isn't she coming home to the grandmother? >> i don't know what's taking so long to get them from -- to get her from san diego home. i know that there's children's services investigations going on. and grabbed mother certainly hopes that haylee comes home -- >> okay, heather, hold on. that's not my question. she's not going to the grandmother.
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she's going to foster care. >> that's correct. at this point -- >> why? >> children's services took emergency custody based why? >> becaused on the unknowns in the situation. mrs. watson agreed to cooperate with children's services for a short period of time so we can get haylee back to ohio and the juvenile court can determine what's in her best interest. >> explain to me why she's not going to the grandmother? >> she got emergency custody when haylee was taken by the mom and the sex offender boyfriend. what's happened is, cps has done an investigation at the house. unfortunately they revealed they don't think it's a safe environment. they want haylee with a foster family. >> ms. watson, what got into her to romance a convicted sex offender from behind bars? i mean, she knew he was in prison for a sex offense with a minor. >> no, she did not know. >> well, didn't she meet him behind bars?
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