friends and family say good-bye to a husband and wife. startling new revelations about what was in their safe. zero cash. only some jewelry. family documents. medication for the special needs kids they had adopted. did a team of men, some dressed in full ninja garb, kill for that? a major push by casey anthony's defense team to block crucial testimony from the bounty hunter who once bailed her out of jail. what did casey anthony say to leonard padilla? this hour he talks to us in an exclusive interview shedding light on his conversation with an alleged child killer.

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>> their lives were cut way too short, but their legacy will live on. as albert einstein said, our death is not an end, if we can live on in our children. but in melanie, she'll live on in our hearts forever. >> there's a press conference going on right now. we want to take you to escambia county. >> a little bit about the thought process that we go through. before i forget, i will also confess that yes, this safe was buried in the backyard of a home owned by pamela long wiggins. now, having said that, our investigators knew the contents of this safe since the inception. understanding that information is critical, critical for the use of our investigators in their interrogations and interviews. and you may say why. why? because now we know, having

attained this safe at that location, that these individuals that were involved with the removal and the transport in the barrel of this safe are exactly what we believe them to be, and that is a part of this investigation. that they are culpable in some nature in this crime that was committed. now we'll speak to you from purely a law enforcement perspective. because there was a lot of hoop la and speculation about this safe, some speculation that could have been hurtful to some individuals. i can tell you as a law enforcement officer, i don't care if that safe contained beanie babies and bubble gum, because it was the object itself that was the issue here. an object that we knew was in the home where the crime was committed that had been moved. because now it becomes material to this case. so, therefore, we must always, always hold back certain pieces

of information. that's why you have found throughout this investigation that so many times both myself and the state attorney have had to answer to you that we will not release that information at this time. let me tell you that it would serve no purpose for the escambia county sheriff's office or the state attorney's office to not release information that is releasable. because we have a very liberal and workable public records law in florida, because once evidence is taken in, or any object that is now sent through the clerk of the court and certified as a part of public record, it is releasable. it must be released. and so i want to assure you that we would never go there with the public or members of the press to willfully withhold any information that you rightfully should have. when we do those things, it becomes a matter of successfully completing this investigation, because my responsibility to the citizens of escambia county and to the citizens of this nation

is the successful prosecution of those individuals that committed this crime. and i can assure you that i will complete that task. we will take some questions at this time. >> it's been said robbery was at least one of the motives in this crime. that these were the three items or group of items found in the safe. is this what the thieves were after? or did they think something else was there? >> i will not answer that at this time. >> was the safe opened by any of the suspects? >> we have yet to determine that. many of these safes with electronic mechanisms also have a memory chip. the safe and its contents are still being processed by our crime lab. >> was it buried in the ground or was it buried in something else? >> it was buried in the ground, sir. >> in the dirt? >> yes. >> was there another safe in the house at the billings home? >> i will not release that information, sir. >> were these men paid by anybody else to commit this crime? >> that is speculation that i will not address. >> what's the value of the safe?

>> i could not assess a value. >> nif sort of estimate? >> no. >> the drugs were in the safe when you got it? >> yes. >> you mentioned persons of interest in the case. anything else about a ninth, tenth, 11th person? >> let me address that. i will bring you into the investigative process somewhat. we will not needlessly, needlessly embarrass any citizen. we have interviewed many people that we know longer will have any contact with that we initially thought could have some value in investigation and successful completion of this case. we do not step forward and give you a list of persons of interest. why? because that might be personally embarrassing. we did release pamela long wiggins' photo because we had lost contact with her, and we knew, again, she was in the chain of this evidence that we needed to speak with her about.

when we were trying to get her location, and an opportunity to speak with her, we did not know the extent of her involvement in this case. so she was a person of interest, who later turned into a suspect and later someone who was taken into custody. that is the process that we must step through. i want to share with you that we are now at a phase in this investigation that is much like masters level chess. we're making very delicate moves. we are very concerned about any misstep that we may take, or that we may make that would jeopardize the successful prosecution of the individuals that we currently have in custody. this is a difficult, difficult thing to do. so we -- so please bear with us, please bear with us. any other questions? >> you're listening to captain david morgan talking about mainly the safe. we've talked about that for a couple of days now. that the safe had been recovered. authorities have said that the prime motive here is a home

invasion, robbery, what turned into the murder of melanie and byrd "bud" billings. we now know the safe was buried in the backyard of a home owned by pamela long wiggins. she was arrested as an accessory after the fact. let's bring in steve card yan, former police detective. steve is listening in with us as well. a couple things off that, steve. what do you make of wiggins' involvement here? and it's a question we continue to ask. i want to get your take on it, steve. is she someone who comes in after the fact? or with so much happening around her, and property owned by her, do you think she knew ahead of time? >> mike, she was arrested for being an accessory after the fact. so that's indicative that she provided some sort of support to the criminals post-the crime. she perhaps had prior knowledge and information, but that's something the investigators are going to have to sift through. >> what about this safe buried in this property? what do you glean from that? do you think there are others

involved that could have buried the safe or do you think it was the perpetrators of the murder of melody and bud billings? >> to the tone of the sheriff, it's an indication that there are and may well be others involved, as well as other law enforcement agencies looking into other aspects that have developed throughout this investigation. >> okay. steve, stay right there. we're going to continue with more after the break. again, we just listened to a press conference there. the safe, we believe that the robbers were after, did not have a big wad of cash, just family documents and medication for the kids. we'll continue our conversation. take your calls at 1-877-tell-hln.

you're back on "prime news" on hln. we're continuing the conversation about the tragic death of byrd and melody billings. adopted kids with special needs. they're now orphaned because of the death of byrd and melody billings. a home invasion/robbery. the contents of the safe have been unveiled. it's certainly a surprise when we're not finding a large amount of cash or jewels or anything like that. family documents, medication for the kids. we're joined by steve kardian, former police detective. steve, how surprised are you to hear that? >> i'm extremely surprised given the amount of resources that they employed in this home invasion, having eight people, plus involved in this crime, for a safe that contained merely worthless items. >> and what do we know? we know that leonard gonzalez sr., not jr. who is the mastermind, but his dad sr., and i believe it was wayne coldiron

had worked on the property. so that's probably where they got a look at the place and possibly a look at the safe, right? >> yeah. they both had had prior, one was a, i guess a deck washer and the other did maintenance around the residence. it was possible they did get a residence. >> steve, you've got eight people in custody. seven in custody. the eighth is pamela long wiggins who is charged with accessory after the fact. those seven have to be talking, right? you're an investigator, you're hoping they're ratting on each other at this point, right? >> it's part of the law enforcement investigation, mike, that they try and on tape additional information, and play one another against each other to obtain more information related to that crime. >> let's bring in rob williams. morning host news radio 1620 a.m. he just was in that press conference we had a chance to

listen to. we're all wondering if there are going to be more arrests to come. we think maybe this person who didn't show up to disable the surveillance cameras, what do we know about that? could there be a ninth, tenth arrest, rob? >> i think that's a pretty safe assumption, mike. i'm going to tell you why. we broke that story this morning on news radio 1620, my station. i've interviewed sheriff morgan every day this week. he says there's still three more persons of interest. i said the person who was supposed to disable the video, the security system? he said absolutely. that is somebody in on the planning, somebody who can, should be arrested and will face charges. it's just a matter of, shall we say making sure they have all their ducks in a row. or i think the sheriff just quoted about beanie babies and bubble gum, they've got to be in a row before they put the cuffs on this person. >> from what you glean from that, rob, is this person in the area or is this person high-tailed it? >> that's a question i can't answer. the sheriff did not want to even fuel any speculation.

i thought there was one interesting point right at the very end. i don't want to put too many words in anybody's mouth. but the sheriff was asked directly, was anything else taken from the house. and he said, i don't want to talk about that at this time. kind of makes you scratch your head if something else did gret grabbed. no word on what it could be, might be. no word. but kind of left the door open. it makes you think that might be happening. >> he also, again, confirmed that this safe was buried on property owned by pamela long wiggins. do we know who buried it? are there other people involved or was it the murderers here, rob? >> i think, you know, realize we're calling them by the way the escambia eight now. this happened in escambia k. there were eight people involved. dig a little hole, as the sheriff pointed out, kind of like a good size the microwave oven. so you're digging a little hole and putting it in there and throwing bricks on top. think you're covering it up.

didn't work. >> we were wondering how large the safe was. a small microwave, that gives us a good picture there. rob, host of morning radio 1620. steve kardian, thank you for your insights as well. new developments in the casey anthony case. remember padilla who bailed casey out? he had access to the family dynamic. he had conversations, his employees did. jose baez, the attorney for casey anthony, wants those conversations, basically stricken from the record. not used as evidence. he says padilla was working for him. we're going to talk with leonard padilla coming up and take your calls 1-877-tell-hln.

new today in the casey anthony case. the mother accused of killing her little 2-year-old little girl, little caylee, her defense team scrambling to block incriminating states that casey

made to the bounty hunter would once bailed her out of jail. caylee found dead in the woods, blocks from her grandparents' home. did casey anthony reveal anything to indicate she was responsible? what did she tell leonard padilla? we're going to ask him ourselves. bounty hunter leonard padilla joining us via skype. and florida prosecutor pam bondi. did casey anthony tell you or any of your employees incriminating things concerning little caylee? >> let me see if i can go this far with reconstructing some of the situation there. first of all, we were not employed by jose baez. the agreement that we made with him was strictly to protect her constitutional rights, which we're not government officials, and jose baez being an attorney knows that the document we signed was more to save face than anything else. we were on our own hook the

whole time we were there. we produced our own agenda. and we weren't beholding to anybody. there were five people on the security team, plus myself and tracey. as far as the statement i think he's referring to is statements in conflict to law enforcement and possibly even to her own attorney. those are the statements that he's very concerned about. just this morning, i sent my personal assistant sarah shelton to meet with him tomorrow morning to get this mess straightened out because it becomes an even bigger boondoggle. >> what specifics can you tell us? i'll quoit a report saying that casey anthony blurted out they haven't even found the clothes she was wearing. >> that's an accurate reference to a statement that she made to tracey one day. and in dissecting it, we thought, what does that mean? well, we found out afterwards that there were clothes in the bag where the body was found. i mean, the children's clothes was in there. there were other items in there. what was it meant to do at the

time? i'm not so sure it wasn't meant to distract everybody, and different clothing and different things found at the time of the searches. but there was certainly the baby clothes were found with the remains of the child. the main statement that she's concerned about is where she told law enforcement that she handed the baby over to zenaida gonzalez at the sawgrass apartments. the statement she made to myself in front of rob dick and her own mother was that she had had the baby taken away from her at the jay blanchard park, that she had been given a document with instructions on it for the next 30 days, that zenaida had taken the baby from her, and zenaida's sister had gotten into the car with her two children, which was a silver ford focus. which was all bunk. >> all right. leonard we're going to take a quick break. more with leonard padilla and our panel. -d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. casey anthony's attorney, jose baez, wants all conversation between his client, casey anthony, and the man leonard padilla, the bounty hunter, who bailed her out taken off the table as evidence. he says no. that's attorney/client privilege, that leonard padilla was working for him. taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. let's go to the phones. rosealee in florida, your comment or question here? >> caller: my comment is, first of all, i like the way you handle the news. so i'm very honored to talk with you. >> thank you. >> caller: but my question is, was there a contract signed with leonard padilla and baez? because if there's no money and

no contract, then there's no business. >> leonard, was there a contract signed? let's clarify that with the viewers. >> let me tell you what we did sign. we signed that we would not violate casey anthony's constitutional rights, and pam bondi can probably speak to that better than you and i. we also signed an agreement on the same document that we would not make any money off any book or movie rights, that we would be excluded from any money forthcoming. the rest of the contract had to do with the way she could violate the bond, which is pretty standard. and one of the things was that she couldn't catch another case, and that's when she did, and that's when the surety stepped in and revoked the bond. the agreement as the young lady said was an agreement rather than a contract. there was no money exchanged at all. >> back to you, pam. let's clarify for the viewer. doesn't sound like there's a contract. doesn't sound like it's attorney/client privilege. >> it's my understanding leonard

signed something saying they wouldn't tape her, which would make sense. baez didn't want them to tape her. it's fair game. what they observed, what she blurted out about the clothes, and they still haven't found the clothes yet. that's fair game. i firmly believe, because leonard padilla did not work nor was he ever an investigator for jose baez. >> all right. lts's get natisha lance in on this. la tisha, producer from the nancy grace quoeg show right here on hln. natisha, first off, do you have anything to add on leonard, before we move on? >> yeah. one of the other things that this document emphasizes is that leonard padilla nor his team represent the baez law firm. so again, that plays into what pam is talking about, that they were not hired employees by jose baez. but rather leonard padilla came in on his own accord. i also spoke with tony padilla today, and he said at no time were they ever employees of jose baez. >> natisha, they want to maik --

it has to do with equisearch. what are they going for here making equi search? >> they think tim miller would be a great material witness. he has a lot of insight into the places that were searched. also that area where caylee's remains were eventually found, they had searched that area before. so jose baez wants to have access to all the charts, records, maps that equisearch had access to. >> possibly going for them. i'm guessing that evidence was tampered with and that type of thing, as you look at it from the defense side. thanks for your conversation, natisha. pam, you as well. leonard, thank you for coming on. >> you're welcome. we'll keep you updated on michael jackson. we're hearing there could be a plethora of unreleased songs. when we come back, we're going to let you listen to one of those songs that michael jackson maybe made a long time ago.

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. two big developments on michael jackson. the huge toxicology report on michael jackson's death, the one we've been anxiously awaiting for, we'll have to wait a little longer. just in to us, and also this. the unreleased song from michael jackson's stash. reportedly he made tons of extra tracks, recorded over when he made al bulls. we'll let you listen to one of his songs that could go back several years that was not released. we're going to hit this on a couple of fronts. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. bring in our guests now, joining us once again, anita kaye, defense attorney, former prosecutor. and kim with in touch weekly.

and dr. spitz. doctor, welcome back. we'll start with you on this. why do you think it's taking so long? we were going to get it doe today, now it's going to be another couple of weeks. >> it's taking a long time rgts not because the testing is taking a long time, because they're just not ready to release the information. they're not going to release it until the totality of the investigation is complete. and obviously that involves the medical examiner's work, but also the police investigation. >> okay. so it's not unusual to give a two-week delay like this? he died june 25th. >> well, many times the medical examiner's determination is not really based on a police investigation. and in this case it very much is. because if there's indications that these drugs may have been administered by another party, via injection, then this very much could be a homicide investigation. so they want to have everything in a row before they release this. so that if in fact someone is

going to be charged, it's all going to happen, you know, in pretty close proximity to one another. >> so you think they know right now whether or not diprivan was in his system? >> oh, i'm sure they know the toxicology results. i'm sure they've tested it and retested various specimens. there's only probably a select few people that know those results now, in order for it not to be released. but once the police are continuing to do their investigation, all of this is going to be released very close to the -- to each other. >> let's bring anita kay in, former prosecutor, defense attorney now. help us with the inner workings, the communication between the medical examiners, prosecutors. do the d.a., lapd, do they know what is known so far of the toxicology? are they in constant communication? or are they waiting like everybody else? >> they're probably in constant communication, because this is such a high-profile case. and it's why maybe the results aren't being released because perhaps the police want to do

some further investigation. they want everything to come out together. so if there are arrests to be made, or further investigations, they all work in conjunction together. >> okay. let's go to the phones. a lot of people waiting to dive in here. robin in north carolina. hey, robin, your thoughts? >> caller: how are you? >> good, robin. how are you? >> caller: i'm great. i have a comment. >> yeah. >> caller: i have noticed on the media that lots of the media blame mostly doctors for prescribing the medications. of course, this story with michael is a whole different scenario. but we are responsible, each of us, to take our medicine, and to take it the correct way. i think there's too much blame laid on the doctors. they're trying to help people with depression, and non-malignant pab. i find that the media, especially, wants to go to the

doctor immediate live. >> let me go to anita kay on this. it depends on what the doctor knows. if they know michael jackson is addicted to pain medication yet they continue to feed him this stuff, you've got trouble. >> exactly. we've talked about this before. we're also looking at the medications that are being prescribed. in diprivan, from what i understand, is not something that should really ever be prescribed. if it's being used in an operating room, there's no reason a doctor would prescribe that. as well as you need to look at the doctors that are prescribing. if a dermatologist is prescribing heavy-duty painkillers, whether it be oxycontin or vicoden on a routine basis, why would a dermatologist be prescribing that? >> yeah. diprivan is one thing. no prescription. the only way you should be having that is if you're undergoing surgery in a hospital. the prescription meds, a different story. i want to hit on the other topic. michael jackson, his music since his death, over 9 million albums sold. we've talked a lot, there could be a lot of unreleased songs.

tmz posted it on its website, the song called a place with no name. let's give it a listen. ♪ she says don't worry, my friend, i'll take care ♪ ♪ take my hand ♪ oh, a place without no name >> kind of sounds like a horse with no name. he asked america who recorded that song for permission years ago. how far back could these unreleased songs go, kim? >> they're saying they could go back to the '70s reportedly, back to his motown days. but they are saying there could be hundreds of songs. there's also, of course, the unreleased songs like the track recently he did with willi.am. some of the tracks could need work. there's been enormous interest just in his old songs. i mean, they're topping the itunes charts. stores cannot keep them in their

stores. they're selling out. he apparently sold something like 9 million tracks. i know we've had a lot of interest in the in touch stories about michael jackson. you've had a lot of interest in michael jackson coverage here. this will go on for a long time. we know there are lots of tracks. maybe there needs to be work done with them. maybe some of them are ready to go. there are a lot of things going on in terms of contracts, was he still under contract with sony. there's rumors he had the sony contract until 2011. but the administrators of his will are old hands at the music business. if these are released, they will work out some good deal that will certainly benefit his estate, benefit his family. >> fascinating to think that multiple albums could come out and they will sell like hot cakes, let's face it. they already are. for a long time, you're right. wish we had more time. we've got to run. kim, dr. daniel spitz, anita kay, appreciate it. we'll update you on a ghoulish story. illinois cemetery, hundreds of graves dug up.

and rel tifls are horrified, because the heart of this is these graves were dug up so that the people at the cemetery could resell the plots. part of our "what matters" segment. richelle coming up to update you on that.

a story that only gets worse. we're talking about the historic african-american cemetery in northern illinois where graves were dug up and resold. some new information on that, oh follow-up for you. richelle carey comes in for that. our weekly feature "what matters." a sad story. go ahead. >> and this matters, mike. this really matters. in suburban chicago, a crime scene. a massive crime scene. four people are accused of digging up hundreds of graves, reselling the plots. now with someone in control of

the cemetery and burr oaks set to reopen on august 1st. thousands of families may finally get some answers. clarice has four relatives buried at burr oak. thank you for joining us. first of all, tell us, who are your relatives who are buried there? >> well, thank you for having me. my father, my father was buried there may 19th, 1938. and i have a sister-in-law that was purr ried there in '68. i have a first cousin that was buried there in 1970. and before that, my brother-in-law, who was a soldier, was buried there around 1952. >> none of us can really imagine what you have been going through since this news broke. can you tell us how you found out about this? we've been hearing about people, hearing about it on the news. how did you find out? >> i -- that's how i find out, i

was in my dining room. i can't remember doing exactly what. i think i started toward the kitchen. and i heard them say something about burr oak. and my first -- frankly, my first impression was, oh, my goodness, that's horrible. what's going on out there. and then when i turned around and i did sit down to take a look at it, i started thinking about all my family members that were out there. and i said, they've just been desecrated. that's ridiculous. it feels horrible. and i said, you know, what steps are they -- what steps are they goings to take to satisfy to let us know that, you know, that they found things. and they really didn't. you know, they were just saying, okay, these bodies, they're out there. and they're buried and they found bones in the dirt. and, you know, and i felt bad. i really did. >> let me ask you this about getting some answers. apparently a judge has now appointed someone to take over day-to-day operations of the cemetery. do you have someone that you've

been able to talk to to start to get answers from? >> no. i have received two e-mails. one yesterday. one on the 16th and one yesterday. and they're very minimal. and one yesterday. and they're very minimal. they just say that they -- be patient with them and give them time and they're going to work on it. that's basically it. >> you know, it almost seems like, miss dortch -- and we're almost out of time. it almost seems like officials are trying to prepare you and other people for the worst when they say that even dna testing may not get the answers that people want because unfortunately these bodies were so desecrated and so -- basically, the bones were spread all over. and i hate to say that about your family members. please forgive me. are you prepared for the worst -- >> that's the truth. >> it is the truth. it is. are you prepared for the worst if you're not able to get answers about what happened to your family? >> well, you know, i look at it

this way. i know in my heart that my relatives are in my heart, they're with me. and those are just bones out there. but when i stop to think about it, it's just the lack of respect that we have received. and i feel bad because i'm just getting over losing my mother and my husband. and now to have to go through this all over again of relatives that have already been buried and we thought were resting in peace. there's no peace now. we just have no peace. i think none of us. i think, you know, they should really try to do something for us. >> well, miss dortch -- >> or help us. and if they don't -- you know, and if they don't, i guess -- you know, we're frankly going to have to live with it, but it's just something we have to go through. >> miss dortch, i'm sorry, i'm going to have to wrap you. thank you for sharing your story, and i do hope you get some answers. for more of "what matters" check out the august issue of "essence" --

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>> their lives were cut way too short. but their legacy will live on. as albert einstein said, our death is not an end if we can live on in our children. but in melanie it will live on in our hearts forever. >> there's a press conference going on right now. we want to take you to escambia county. here's david morgan. >> -- a little bit about the thought process that we go through. and before i forget, i will also confirm that yes, this safe was buried in the back yard of a home owned by pamela long wiggins. now, having said that, our investigators knew the contents of this safe since the incept n inception. understanding that information is critical, critical. for the use of our interrogators in their interviews. and you might say why. why? because now we now, having

attained this safe at that location, that these individuals that were involved with the removal and the transport and the burial of this safe are exactly what we believed them to be, and that is a part of this investigation. that they are culpable in some nature in this crime that was committed. now, i will speak to you from purely a law enforcement perspective. because there was a lot of hoopla and a lot of speculation about the contents of this safe. some speculation that could have been hurtful to certain individuals. i can tell you as a law enforcement officer, i don't care if that safe contained beanie babies and bubble gum, because it was the object itself that was the issue here. an object that we knew was in the home where the crime was committed that had been moved. because now it becomes material to this case. so, therefore, we must always, always hold back certain pieces

of information. that's why you have found throughout this investigation that so many times both myself and the state attorney have had to answer to you that we will not release that information at this time. let me tell you that it would serve no purpose for the escambia county sheriff's office or the state attorney's office to not release information that is releasable. because we have a very liberal and workable public records law in florida, because once evidence is taken in, or any object that is now sent through the clerk of the court and certified as a part of public record, it is releasable. it must be released. and so i want to assure you that we would never go there with the public or members of the press to willfully withhold any information that you rightfully should have. when we do those things, it becomes a matter of successfully completing this investigation, because my responsibility to the citizens of escambia county and to the citizens of this nation is the successful prosecution of

those individuals that committed this crime. and i can assure you that i will complete that task. we will take some questions at this time. >> it's been said robbery was at least one of the motives in this crime. if these were the three items, or groups of items found in the safe, is this what the thieves were after, or did they think something else was? >> i will not address that issue at this time. >> was the safe opened by any of the suspects? >> we have yet to determine that. many of these safes with electronic mechanisms also have a memory chip. the safe and its contents are still being processed by our crime lab. >> was it buried in the ground or was it buried in something else? >> it was buried in the ground, sir. >> in the dirt? >> yes. >> was there another safe in the house at the billings home? >> i will not release that information, sir. >> were these men paid by anybody else to commit this crime? >> that is speculation that i will not address.

>> what's the total value of the safe? >> i could not assess a value. >> nif sort of estimate? >> no. >> the drugs were in the safe when you got it? >> yes. >> you've mentioned in the past other persons of interest in this case. anything else you can tell us about a ninth, tenth, eleventh person involved? >> since you bring it up, let me address that. i will bring you into the investigative process somewhat. we will not needlessly, needlessly embarrass any citizen. we have interviewed many people that we know longer will have any contact with that we initially thought could have some value in the investigation and successful completion of this case. we do not step forward and give you a list of persons of interest. why? because that might be personally embarrassing. we did release pamela long wiggins' photo because, again, we had lost contact with her, and we knew, again, she was in the chain of this evidence that we needed to speak with her

about. when we were trying to get her location, and an opportunity to speak with her, we did not know the extent of her involvement in this case. so she was a person of interest, who later turned into a suspect and later someone who was taken into custody. that is the process that we must step through. i want to share with you that we are now at a phase in this investigation that is much like masters level chess. we're making very delicate moves. we are very concerned about any misstep that we may take, or that we may make that would jeopardize the successful prosecution of the individuals that we currently have in custody. this is a difficult, difficult thing to do. so we bear -- please bear with us. please bear with us. any other questions? >> you're listening to captain david morgan, escambia county sheriff, talking about mainly the safe. we've talked about that for a couple of days now. that the safe had been recovered. because authorities have said that the prime motive here is a home invasion robbery, what

turned into the murder of melanie and byrd "bud" billings. we now know the safe was buried in the backyard of a home owned by pamela long wiggins. she was arrested as an accessory after the fact. let's bring in steve cardian, former police detective. steve's been listening in with us as well. all right. a couple things off, that steve. what do you make of wiggins' involvement here? and it's a question we continue to ask. i want to get your take on it, steve. is she someone who comes in after the fact? or with so much happening around her, and property owned by her, do you think she knew ahead of time? >> well, mike, she was arrested for being an accessory after the fact. so that's indicative that she provided some sort of support to the criminals post the crime. she perhaps had prior knowledge and information, but that's something the investigators are going to have to sift through. >> what about this safe buried in this property? what do you glean from that? do you think there are others involved that could have buried the safe or do you think it was the perpetrators of the murder

of melanie and byrd billings? >> from the tone of the sheriff, it's an indication that there are and may well be others involved, as well as other law enforcement agencies looking into other aspects that have developed throughout this investigation. >> okay. steve, stay right there. we're going to continue with more after the break. again, we just listened to a press conference there. the safe that we believe that the robbers were after did not have a big wad of cash, a big diamond, just family documents and medication for the kids. we'll continue our conversation. take your calls at 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing our conversation about the tragic death of melanie and byrd billings, shot and killed in their own homes. such loving people. had adopt over a dozen kids, many with special needs. well, those kids are now orphaned because of the death of melanie and byrd billings. we know the prime motive here is home invasion robbery. well, the contents of a safe have been unveiled, and it's certainly a surprise when we're not finding here a large amount of cash or jewels or anything like that. family documents, medication for the kids. we're joined by steve cardian, former police detective. steve, how surprised are you to hear that? >> i'm extremely surprised given the amount of resource that's they employed in this home invasion, having eight people plus involved in this crime for a safe that contained nearly worthless items. >> yeah. i mean, and what do we know? we know that leonard gonzalez sr., not junior, who's the mastermind, but his dad senior, and i believe it was wayne coldiron, had worked on the property. so that's where they probably

got their -- a look at the place and possibly a look at the safe, right? >> yeah. they had prior -- one was i guess a deck washer, and the other did some miscellaneous maintenance around the residence. so it's perhaps possible that was well more valuable worth contained in that residence. >> steve, you've got eight people in custody. seven in custody. the eighth is pamela long wiggins, whose charged, as we said, as accessory after the fact. those seven, they have to be talking, right? you're an investigator, you're hoping they're ratting on each other at this point, right? >> yeah. it's a part of the law enforcement investigation, mike, that they try to obtain additional information and play one another against each other to obtain more information related to that crime and others. >> let's bring in rob williams, morning host, news 20. rob was in that press conference we just had a chance to listen to. rob, one of the questions is we

were all wondering if there were going to be more arrests to come. we think maybe this person who didn't show up to disable the surveillance cameras. what do we know about that? could there be a ninth, tenth arrest, rob? >> i think that's a pretty safe assumption, mike. i'm going to tell you why. we broke that story this morning on news radio 1620, my station. i've interviewed sheriff morgan every day this week. and he said, you know, there's still about three more persons of interest. i said one of those the person who was supposed to disable the video, the security system? he said absolutely. that is somebody in on the planning, he pointed out. that's somebody who can -- should be arrested and will face charges. it's just a matter of, shall we say, making sure they have all their ducks in a row. or i think the sheriff just quoted about beanie babies and bubble gum. so that's all got to be in a row too before they put the cuffs on this person. >> from what you glean from that, rob, is this person in the area or is this person high-tailed it? >> that's a question i can't answer. the sheriff did not want to even fuel any speculation. i thought there was one interesting point right at the very end.

and i don't want to put too many words in anybody's mouth. but the sheriff was asked directly, was anything else taken from the house? and he said, i don't want to talk about that at this time. and kind of makes you scratch your head if something else did gret grabbed. no word on what it could be, might be. no word. but kind of left the door open. it makes you think that might be happening. >> he also, again, confirmed that this safe was buried on property owned by pamela long wiggins. do we know who buried it? are there other people involved or was it the murderers here, rob? >> i think, you know, realize we're calling them by the way mike the escambia eight now. this happened in escambia county. there were eight people involved. take a couple guys, move some bricks out of the way, dig a little hole, as the sheriff pointed out. it's kind of like a good size microwave oven. so you're digging a little hole and putting it in there and throwing bricks on top. think you're covering it up. didn't work. >> thanks for that.

because we're wondering how large is the safe. small microwave, that gives us a good picture there. rob, morning host news radio 1620. rob, we'll talk to you again. steve kardian, thank you for your insights as well. coming up, updates on the casey anthony case. new developments here. remember leonard padilla the bounty hunter who bailed casey out? he had access to the family dynamic. he had conversations, his employees did. now jose baez, the attorney for casey anthony, wants those conversations basically stricken from the record, not used as evidence. he says padilla was working for him. we're going to talk with leonard padilla in an exclusive interview coming up and take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.

new today in the casey anthony case. the mother accused of killing her little 2-year-old little girl, little caylee, her defense team scrambling to block

revealing testimony. reports of incriminating statements casey made to the bounty hunter who once bailed her out of jail. caylee found dead in the woods, blocks from her grandparents' home. did casey anthony reveal anything to indicate she was responsible? what did she tell leonard padilla? we're going to ask him ourselves. bounty hunter leonard padilla joining us in an exclusive interview via skype. also with us florida state prosecutor pam bondi. and natisha lance, producer from the nancy grace show, right here on hln. all right, leonard, let's get back to you. did casey anthony tell you or any of your employees incriminating things concerning little caylee? >> let me see if i can go this far with reconstructing some of the situation there. first of all, we were not employed by jose baez. the agreement that we made with him was strictly to protect her constitutional rights, which we're not government officials, and jose baez being an attorney knows that the document we signed was more to save face than anything else. we were on our own hook the

whole time we were there. we produced our own agenda. and we weren't beholding to anybody. and there was five people on the security team, plus myself and tracy. as far as the statement i think he's concerned about are the ones that are in direct conflict with statements she made to law enforcement and possibly even to her own attorney. those are the statements that he's very concerned about. just this morning, i sent my personal assistant sarah shelton to meet with him tomorrow morning to get this mess straightened out before it becomes an even bigger boondoggle. >> all right, leonard. can you -- what specifics can you tell us? i'll quote a report, saying that casey anthony blurted out "they haven't even found the clothes she was wearing." >> that's an accurate reference to a statement that she made to tracey one day. and in dissecting it, we thought, well, what does that mean? well, we found out afterwards that there was clothes in the bag where the body was found. i mean, the children's clothes was in there. there were other items in there. what was it meant to do at the

time? i'm not so sure it wasn't meant to distract everybody, and to some of the clothings and different things found in different areas of orlando at the time of the searches. but there was certainly the baby clothes were found with the remains of the child. the main statement that she's concerned about is where she told law enforcement that she handed the baby over to zenaida gonzalez at the sawgrass apartments. the statement she made to myself in front of rob dick and her own mother was that she had had the baby taken away from her at the jay blanchard park, that she had been given a document with 30 instructions on it for the next 30 days on how to lie to law enforcement that zenaida had taken the baby from her, and samantha, zenaida's sister-h gotten in the car with her two children, which was a silver ford focus. which was all bunk. this was all made up after she saw zenaida at the sawgrass. >> all right. leonard we're going to take a quick break. more with leonard padilla and our panel.

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call 1-800-552-7724 or go to our website. i'll see you at 3:00! announcer: captioned telephone - enjoy the phone again! welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing to keep you updated on new developments in the casey anthony case. her attorney, jose baez, wants all conversations between his client, casey anthony, and the man, leonard padilla, the bounty hunter who bailed her out, taken off the table as evidence. he says no, that that's attorney-client privilege, basically that leonard padilla was working for him. we're talking to leonard padilla about it. talking to you as well. taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. let's go to the phones. rosealee in florida, your comment or question here? >> caller: my comment is, first of all, i like the way you handle the news. so i'm very pleased -- honored to talk to you. >> thank you. >> caller: but my question is, was there a contract signed with leonard padilla and baez? because if there's no money and

no contract, then there's no business. >> leonard, was there a contract signed? let's clarify that for the viewers. >> let me tell you what we did sign. we signed that we would not violate casey anthony's constitutional rights, and pam bondi can probably speak to that better than you and i. on the other hand, we also signed an agreement on the same document that we would not make any money off of any book or movie rights, that we would be excluded from any money that was forthcoming. and the rest of the contract had to do with the way she could violate the bond, which is pretty standard. and one of the things was that she couldn't catch another case, and that's when the surety stepped in and revoked the bond. the agreement, as the young lady said, was an agreement rather than a contract. there was no money exchanged at all. >> back to you, pam.

let's clarify for the viewer. doesn't sound like there's a contract. doesn't sound like it's attorney/client privilege. >> it's my understanding leonard signed something saying they wouldn't tape her, which would make sense. baez didn't want them to tape her. it's fair game. what they observed, what she blurted out about the clothes, and they still haven't found the clothes yet. that's fair game. i firmly believe, because leonard padilla did not work nor was he ever an investigator for jose baez. >> all right. let's get natisha lance in on this. natisha, producer from the nancy grace show right here on hln. natisha, first off, do you have anything to add on leonard, before we move on? >> yeah. one of the other things that this document emphasizes is that leonard padilla nor his team represent the baez law firm. so again, that plays into what pam is talking about, that they were not hired employees by jose baez. but rather leonard padilla came in on his own accord. i also spoke with tony padilla

today, and he said at no time were they ever employees of jose baez. >> one other point. natisha, they want to make -- it has to do with equisearch. what are they going for here as they want to make tim miller, the head of equusearch,a a witness? >> they think tim miller would be a great material witness. he has a lot of insight into the places that were searched. also that area where caylee's remains were eventually found, they had searched that area before. so jose baez wants to have the records, maps that equusearch had access to. >> possibly going for them. i'm guessing that evidence was tampered with and that type of thing, as you look at it from the defense side. thanks for your conversation, natisha. pam, you as well. leonard, thank you for coming on. >> you're welcome. coming up, we'll keep you updated on michael jackson. we're hearing there could be a plethora of unreleased songs. when we come back, we're going to let you listen to one of those songs that michael jackson maybe made a long time ago.

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welcome back. two big developments on michael jackson. the huge toxicology report on michael jackson's death, the one we've been anxiously awaiting for, we'll have to wait a little longer. just in to us, and also this. unreleased song from michael jackson's stash. reportedly he made tons of extra tracks, overrecorded when he made his albums. we'll let you listen to one of his songs that could go back several years that was not released. we're going to hit this on a couple of fronts. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. bring in our guests now, joining us once again, anita kaye, defense attorney, former prosecutor. also with us, kim serafin,

senior editor "in touch weekly." also with us on the phone, dr. daniel spitz, medical examiner and forensic pathologist. doctor, welcome back. i'll start with you on this. why do you think it's taking so long? we were going to get it today and now it's another couple of weeks. >> i think it's taking a long time not because the testing is taking a long time but because they're just not ready to release the information. they're not going to release it until the totality of the investigation is complete. and obviously that involves the medical examiner's work, but also the police investigation. >> okay. so it's not unusual to give a two-week delay like this? he died june 25th. >> well, many times the medical examiner's determination is not really based on a police investigation. and in this case it very much is. because if there's indications that these drugs may have been administered by another party, via injection, then this very much could be a homicide investigation. so they want to have everything in a row before they release this.

so that if in fact somebody is going to be charged, it's all going to happen, you know, in pretty close proximity to one another. >> so you think they know right now whether or not diprivan was in his system? >> oh, i'm sure they know the toxicology results. i'm sure they've tested it and retested various specimens. and there's only probably a select few people that know those results now, in order for it not to be released. but once the police are continuing to do their investigation, all of this is going to be released very close to the -- to each other. >> let's bring anita kay in, former prosecutor, defense attorney now. help us with the inner workings, the communication between the medical examiner, prosecutors. do prosecutors, the d.a., lapd, do they know what is known so far of the toxicology? are they in constant communication? or are they waiting like everybody else? >> they're probably in constant communication, because this is such a high-profile case. and it's why maybe the results

aren't being released because perhaps the police want to do some further investigation. they want everything to come out together. so if there are arrests to be made, or further investigations, they all work in conjunction together. >> okay. let's go to the phones. a lot of people waiting to dive in here. robin in north carolina. hey, robin, your thoughts? >> caller: how are you? >> good, robin. how are you? >> caller: i'm great. i have a comment. >> yeah. >> caller: i have noticed on the media that lots of the media blame mostly doctors for prescribing the medications. of course, this story with michael is a whole different scenario. but we are responsible, each of us, to take our medicine, and to take it the correct way. i think there's too much blame laid on the doctors. they're trying to help people with depression, and pain. i find that the media,

especially, wants to go to the doctor immediately. >> let me get anita kay in on this. anita, it depends on what the doctor knows. if they know michael jackson is addicted to pain medication yet they continue to feed him this stuff, then you've got trouble, right? >> exactly. we've talked about this before. we're also looking at the medications that are being prescribed. in diprivan, from what i understand, is not something that should really ever be prescribed. if it's being used as anesthesia in an operating room, there's no reason a doctor would prescribe that. as well you need to look at the doctors that are prescribing. if a dermatologist is prescribing heavy-duty painkillers, whether it be oxycontin or vicodin on a routine basis, why would a dermatologist be prescribing that? >> yeah. diprivan is one thing. no prescription. the only way you should be having that is if you're undergoing surgery in a hospital. the prescription meds, a different story. but if the doctor knows, you shouldn't be doing it. guys, i want to hit on the other topic. michael jackson, his music since his death, over 9 million albums sold. we've talked a lot, there could

be a lot of unreleased songs. here's one of them. tmz posted it on its website, it's a song called "a place with no name." let's give it a listen. ♪ she says don't worry, my friend, i'll take care ♪ ♪ take my hand ♪ i'll take us there ♪ oh ♪ take me to a place without no name ♪ >> it kind of sounds like "a horse with no name." and michael jackson we understand asked the group america, who recorded that song, for permission years ago. kim serafin, "in touch weekly," how far back could these unreleased songs go, kim? >> they're saying they could go back to the '70s reportedly, back to his motown days. but they are saying there could be hundreds of songs. there's also, of course, the unreleased songs like the tracks recently he did with will.i.am. they're tracks that could be really good but just didn't make it to his album. some of the tracks could need work. there's been enormous interest just in his old songs.

i mean, they're topping the itunes charts. stores cannot keep them in their stores. they're selling out. he apparently sold something like 9 million tracks. i know we've had a lot of interest in the "in touch" stories about michael jackson. you've had a lot of interest in michael jackson coverage here. this will go on for a long time. but we know there are lots of tracks. maybe there needs to be work done with them. maybe some of them are ready to go. there's a lot of things going on in terms of contract. was he still under contract with sony? there are some reports he still had the sony contract till 2011. but the executors of his will, the administrators of his will are old hands at the music business. if these are released, they will work out some good deal that will certainly benefit his estate, benefit his family. >> fascinating to think that multiple albums could come out and they will sell like hot cakes, let's face it. >> oh, for decades, yeah. >> they already will. for a long time, you're right. wish we had more time. we've got to run. kim, dr. daniel spitz, anita kay, we appreciate it. coming up, we're going to update

you on just a brutal story, ghoulish story. illinois cemetery, hundreds of graves dug up. and relatives are horrified because the heart of this is that these graves were dug up so that the people at the cemetery could resell the plots. it's part of our "what matters" segment. richelle carey coming up to update you on that. stay with us.

it seems like a story that only gets worse. we're talking about the historic african-american cemetery in illinois where graves were dug up and resold. some new information on that, follow-up for you. let's bring in our "prime news" correspondent richelle carey for that. it's our weekly feature "what matters." it's a sad story. go ahead. >> and this matters, mike. this really matters. burr oak cemetery in suburban chicago is a crime scene, a massive crime scene. four people are accused of digging up hundreds of graves, reselling the plots. now with someone finally in

control of the cemetery and burr oak set to reopen on august 1st, thousands of families may finally get some answers. joining me now, clarice dortch. clarice has four relatives buried at burr oak. miss dortch, thank you for joining us. first of all, tell us, who are your relatives that are buried there? >> well, thank you for having me. my father. my father was buried there may 19th, 1938. and i have a sister-in-law that was buried there in '68. i have a first cousin that was buried there in 1970. and before that, my brother-in-law, who was a soldier, was buried there around 1952. >> miss dortch, none of us can really imagine what you've been going through since this news broke. can you tell us how you found out about this? we've been hearing about people, hearing about it on the news. how did you find out?

>> i -- that's how i find out, i was in my dining room. i can't remember doing exactly what. i think i started toward the kitchen. and i heard them say something about burr oak. and my first -- frankly, my first impression was, oh, my goodness, that's horrible. what's going on out there? and then when i turned around and i did sit down to take a look at it, i started thinking about all my family members that were out there. and i said, they've just been desecrated. that's ridiculous. it feels horrible. and i said, you know, what steps are they -- what steps are they goings to take to satisfy to let us know that, you know, that they found things. and they really didn't. you know, they were just saying, okay, these bodies re out there. and they're buried and they found bones in the dirt. and, you know, and i felt bad. i really did. >> let me ask you this about getting some answers. apparently a judge has now appointed someone to take over day-to-day operations of the cemetery. do you have someone that you've been able to talk to to start to

get answers from? >> no. i have received two e-mails. one yesterday. one on the 16th and one yesterday. and they're very minimal. just patient with them, and give them time, and they're going to work on it. that's basically it. >> you know, it almost seems like, miss dortch, we're almost out of time, but it seems like officials are trying to prepare you and others for the worst when they say that even dna testing may not get the answers that people want, because unfortunately, these bodies were so desecrated and so -- basically, the bones were spread all over, and i hate to say that about your family members, please forgive me. are you prepared for the worst? >> that's the truth. >> it is the truth. it is. are you prepared for the worst if you're not able to get answers about what happened to your family? >> well, you know, i look at it this way. i know in my heart that my

relatives are in my heart. they're with me. and those are just bones out there. and -- but when i stop to think about it, it's just the lack of respect that we have received, and i feel bad, because i'm just getting over losing my mother and my husband. and now to have to go through this all over again, relatives that have already been buried, and we thought were resting in peace. there is no peace now. we just have no peace. i think none of us. i think, you know, they should really try to do something for us. >> well, miss dortch. >> or help us. and if they don't -- i guess, you know, we're frankly going to have to live with it. >> miss dortch, i'm sorry, i have to wrap-up. thank you for sharing your stories, and i hope you get answers. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@