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hlntv, 45688. start your message with the word prime, your chance to be herd. >> controversy, opinion, your point of view. this is "prime news." welcome once again. i'm mike galanos. new court documents just x@ released giving shocking insights on the wealthy florida couple killed in this ninja style invasion of their home. patrick gonzales junior told police he knew the victims and they apparently knew him well enough to give him money. so many new developments to talk about from talk of a new motive. people wanted for questioning to who's going to take care of the couple's 13 kids. we'll take your kauls. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining me is law enforcement analyst mike brooks, also back with us, morning radio talk show host rob williams from news roode 1620 in pensacola, done a great job on this.

rob, help us out here as we talk about this relationship between byrd and melanie billings and the alleged mastermind. did they loan him money from a finance company, from personal funds? what doo we know? that's a very good question. i don't know it all. i feel kind of flat footed right here. there is nothing on the wire service so obviously you've got good sources on the inside. all we were going to talk about right now, there are still numbers nine, ten, and 11 still out there and one of the guys is still in jail in bam malfighting extradition. they were having a hearing on that today. >> nothing on your end because you guys have done great work here on your end. nothing on your end concerning the financial connection between the billings and gonzales? >> bud billings had a finance company attached to a used car lot, one of the pay here, pay here places. i'm thinking that was still one of the reasons for the robbery, they thought he was sitting on a pile of cash.

the hot rumor actually reported in the independent weekly is that this was a hit. this was an ordered paid for hit that gonzales got anywhere from -- gonzales junior that is, got anywhere from 20,000 to $30,000 so he got his buddies to go along so they could haul out whatever else they found. suf fis it to say, they say an inside source at the sheriff's department. >> mike brooks, police documents we believe are indicating gonzales junior told them about this financial relationship. >> right. >> what are you making of that as far as how it fits into this crime here? >> we've heard from the sheriff and the district attorney that the motive basically was robbery, and it was a home invasion. that's what they're charged with. if you look at, you know, did he get help from them through their financial company to open up a martial arts studio, all right, keep in mind, mike, in the affidavit that the search warrant, they're saying that apparently, the guy who recognized this red dodge van

that we're talking about, this old beatup piece of junk that wasn't running, they got it running and used it to take it to and from the home invasion, apparently this guy john hartsfield had sold it to the mother of gonzales junior. and they told him that she was buying it for her son because he got his carrie possessed. okay, now, if that's the case, mike, and there had been money possibly loaned for a martial arts studio, he can't make his car payment, he can't maybe pay the loan back so were they going to default on this? was this the other motive that he was hoping to kill them, take the paperwork? we don't know. that's another theory out there. >> what if that car that got repoed actually had been bought from bud billings? what if that was the connection all along and it was, again, a buy here, pay here, you miss that payment by a day, they're going to send somebody to snatch

it right back from you. >> you guys are hitting on very logical theories here. rob, mike just mentioned it. a new motive that's going to be unveiled. do you have any idea at all here? we're coming with some logical theories here. what are you hearing about a new motive? >> here's the bottom line. we've been doing this awhile. for all of us in the news business up close with this thing, the pieces aren't adding up. it doesn't pass the smell test, doesn't matter how big your nose is, there's something about it that doesn't sound right, look right or smell right. in other words, there is more than just one shoe that's going to drop. there's something else out there and we're all looking for it. >> keep in mind, the drug enforcement administration is still involved in their investigation along the fbi, now atf handling the guns, running the guns down, fbi probably the interstate nexus. if the dea is involved, there has to be some dealing with gonzales or whomever or some of

these other characters dealing with drugs. >> we're going to continue this conversation after the break. rob brings up a good point. what is that missing piece? we're going to look also at the possibility of more arrests. could be three more on the way. we'll take your calls, comments and questions. the number 1-877-tell-hln.

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shut down the alarm system, if there was one and shut down the video system. of course, the video system sheriff morgan said, that's made all the difference in the world. one of the other people they are talking to is the wife of pat gonzales, junior. what did she know, when did she know it? she could face charges as well if she knew about it, conspiracy charge. mike would be a little more up on that. of course, i'm scratching my head over the idea that maybe pat gonzales did buy a car from bud and it got repossessed. that would be revenge right there. take my car back. we'll see about this, mister. possible. >> i believe the wife's name is tabitha. do we know where she was when the crimes were carried out? >> we don't have that information. they live in suburban gulf breeze, which is only a few minutes from downtown pensacola just across the bay. her house, interestingly enough is less than a mile from pamela

wiggins' house, the eighth member of the escambia eight. gonzales junior frents her. >> mike, a couple of things. first off, who did not disable the surveillance, do you think by now out of all the talking done by the 11 or eight people, they know who this person is? >> i think so. early on, it was interesting the sheriff was intimating, could it be an installer, manager for the alarm system? had to be someone that knew the code and could get on there remotely and didn't have to be at the house. keep in mind, they also may be talking to some people, where did they get the guns, from somebody else? were they straw purchases? who did the guns belong to? we know there was a shotgun, rifle and at least one handgun. >> let's get a call in real quick. dominique in new york, your comment or question here? >> caller: yes, i've been following the case from the beginning, and i believe that there is more to what they are

saying, yes. >> uh-huh. >> caller: i believe that one should follow the money. who benefits the most to have these two people dead. >> great questions. dominique, we should book here as our third analyst here. mike, we'll get you both guys -- >> sign her up. >> exactly. >> that's one of the first things you're asking as an vetter. when we get back to motive beyond home invase, robbery, a new motive could be popping you. boil it down to what dominique's saying. >> absolutely. take a look@x at everything and everybody, their computer records. as she said, follow the paper trail. that's usually where you're going to find this other motive possibly besides robbery or a home invasion. what rob and i've talked about, those theorys are out there. the only way to follow those is by the paper trail. >> about what dominique's saying, as you followed it so closely, rob, who benefits the most? and as we're talking today, it looks like obviously gonzales

junior. >> she raises just a terrific point. we've been going over this since friday a week ago, since the morning after it all happened. what's the connection? is it used cars? is it money? i got a theory, i got a long list of theories. they're just that. we're going to keep throwing them against the wall till something sticks or sooner or later the word's going to come out. the prosecutor, bill eddins, the state attorney is so stingy putting out information. easy think really concerned he's going to have to prosecute the case here. that's not going to happen. it's going to be a change of venue, maybe as far as jacksonville. they're being so stingy letting this info out. i don't know about this, using a shotgun or a long rifle to do a home invasion? i'm sorry, that seems kind of worthless to me. >> usually shotgun yes, long rifle to. keeping the cards close to the vest, you still have people out

there who could possibly get locked up. you don't want to giveaway any bit of information or evidence that could possibly taken the this case. >> we'll have to leave it there. rob williams, 1620 news radio. mike, you, as well. coming up, michael jackson, the latest with that. source close to the investigation saying murder charges are not likely. we're wondering how is that if a doctor irresponsibly gave michael jackson diprivan and that's the primary cause of death, how is that not murder? we'll take your calls as well, 1-877-tell-hln.

isee@nbcnewyork.co isee@nbcnewyork.com. welcome back. huge shocker notice michael jackson case. we're just getting word his death may not lead to murder charges after all. a junior law enforcement official tells the la times there's nothing to suggest it so remote, unsported by the facts so far. yet, we've heard time and again

accusayses from family members that he was pumped full of drugs, that it was foul play. a conspiracy to get his money. so if we're not talking murder here, do any of his doctors bear some responsibility? what are we talking about as far as charges. take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining us once again, welcome back jim moret from inside edition, former cnn anchor, also an attorney. also with us, former prosecutor nita kay and dr. jeff gardere, clinical psychologist. jim, let's hit on the murder charge or lack thereof is what we're hearing from an inside source. a lot of people say wait a minute, if he's found with diprivan in his system and some doctor gave it to him and it's the primary cause of death, isn't a murder charge to follow or not, jim? >> it depends. first of all, the coroner has to rule this a homicide, which means it wasn't an accidental death. it is ruled a homicide, there are still a number of charges that the da can proceed with, among them illegally pribing

drugs, under a number of aliases. they could go higher to the specific act of giving him a drug, perhaps if diprivan is used. you could go into involuntary manslaughter. they're saying this does not rise to the level of murder which is a stiffer penalty and i different charge legally. that doesn't mean a doctor's actions won't have led to the death, simply means they may not have a strong enough case, they wouldn't proceed. >> anita, help us out. what do we need to meet the threshold of a murder charge in this scenario? >> for the prosecutors to go after first-degree murder, they have to prove that someone intended to kill michael jackson. i don't think we've heard there's any evidence with regard to that, that it was someone intended to kill him. then you lack at second degree, which is basically a willful

disregard for human life. that might be it the highest charge they could go after but it's still a high burden because we've got different doctors, we don't know what all the doctors are doing. i think the real focus is really on the diprivan because some of the other drugs are lawful and there may be a reason why they're prescribed. the diprivan we can't seem to find a reason why that would be prescribed. you look at involuntary manslaughter, that might be the best way to go if they're going to prosecute anyone for the death of michael jackson. >> woeful disregard of human life, is giving someone diprivan in a home setting a woeful disregard because we have people, nurses saying you may not wake up if you get diprivan in an unmonitored environment. >> you have a doctor theoretically in the scenario you're talking about administering it. that would be different if you or i would administer it. if i were to do it, i would argue yes, that's a willful disregard.

if a doctor is monitoring his condition, you could argue it's not a willful disregard, it may be reckless in some fashion but doesn't rise to the higher threshold. that's what makes it complicated. the other wildcard, of course, is that diprivan dissipates rather quickly in the system. i haven't talked to any doctor who's given me a did he fintive answer of how you's whether it was in the system at the time or it dissipates and you have to use circumstantial evidence like an empty diprivan container. that could be problematic for prosecutors. >> jim you used the right word. this is a scenario. nothing's been proven it's in his system or not. jeff, when we're talking about the possibility of diprivan, a dangerous drug live that, especially in a home setting, how does a doctor get to that place that they think that's okay? >> well, it all comes down to the relationship between the doctoren at patient. and as we know, michael jackson had a very good relationship with all of his doctors, able to

get medication at will, and we find even regular folks, not just michael jackson folks but regular folks, if they have a good enough relationship with their physician, they call them up and say, i need some pain medication, most physicians i hate to say, but it's true, most physicians will go ahead and say, we'll write you out something or just call your pharmacy and have it picked you. we'll phone it in. it all comes down to what your relationship is with your physician and he was michael jackson was controlling everything. remember, he put a physician on his payroll for this concert. so evidently, he was the one who was telling him what he needed. >> going to take a quick break. we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln. come back, we've got reports that katherine jackson, michael's mom could be contesting the will. we'll delve into that coming up.

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every day during that week. >> oh. so where do we get the information about where to find the farms or how do we sign up for this pledge? >> well, there's a website. it's www.by-local-challenge.com that website will give you all sorts of information why to buy local and where to buy local and it connects you to other statewide initiatives that are going on at the same time. if you go to the website, we've added a count. people used to say, where do i sign up? normally you have to go buy, eat something from a local farm. this year we decided to add a counter to the website. when you are' counted, you can receive a certificate with your name on it that you can put up in your office or your home or wherever. >> which is very, very important. it's reduces your carbon foot

print because you're driving hopefully a shorter distance, you have access to local products that are available, and also it helps the farmers. >> well, and in fact, our theme this year is healthy plate, healthy planet. all kinds of benefits to buying local, benefits for you, healthy, nutrition, it's fresh, and preserving our farms survive, we keep clean water, we keep clean air, we reduce the carbon footprints from things traveling 1500 miles, and it tastes good. >> exactly. now for those people who may not cook, how can they be a part of this? >> yeah, sometimes people say, well, i hate to cook. that's okay. you can go to a store or to a restaurant that features local farm products, and there are more and more restaurants every year, some of them are on our website, and you can click throughout to find out who they are,. >> what kind of items can we

acquire localfully. >> during the last week of july, there is so much product available. there's sweet corn, blackberries, all kinds of tomatoes and melons are in season, and of course, there's always wine, cheese, eggs, meatss. >> so we do have a wide variety of things we can get. say that i go and i go to a local farmer's market and purchase something, what is a vegetable that i'm not quite familiar with, how did i find a recipe. >> excellent question. there are recipes on our website. people can post their own recipes of their own events and own blogs by why they buy local. some of the things i wanted to mention is the economic benefits. we talked about the planet, we talked about the fact that it

tastes good, and it's fun, but there's also the benefit of supporting our farms, and if every household in the state mucofmaryland were to buy just 2 worth of products for 8 weeks, basically the summer season that, would put $200 million straight back into the pockets of our farmers. that would do a lot to keep our farmers thriving. >> which is so important. i know we have less than 30 seconds, but you have some partners that you wouldn't typically think of who have now joined in. >> yes. hospitals are joining in this year. fact, they're looking to do a competition to see how many people they can get involved. >> have you exciting. christine, thank you very much for coming in today. >> thank you. >> my guest today has been christine bergmark with the southern agricultural commission. if you're interested in what comcast is doing in your area, go to on demand and click get local. for comcast local edition, i'm

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we love hearing from you, phone calls, e-mails. big story today, michael vick now a free man. should the nfl let him play? when? should he play this fall. ed in ohio writing this -- thanks, ed. janet chiming in from michigan writing -- call in with your thoughts. we'll be dealing with this topic a little bit later. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. now this a young u.s. soldier kidnapped by the taliban and now a new video is being released

showing this poor kid, fearing for his life being used as a mouthpiece for terrorists. just makes us sick here. let's bring in richelle carey. get us up to speed. >> it is tough to watch this video is very tough to watch. private bowe bergdahl was captured on june 30th in southeastern afghanistan. this is the first time anyone has seen or heard from him since. tough to watch. let's take a look at it. >> my girlfriend who i was hoping to marry. i have my grandma and grandpas. i have a very, very good family that i love back home in america. and i miss them every day that i'm gone. i miss them. and i'm afraid that i might never see them again and that i

never be able to tell them that i love them again, i'll never be able to hug them. well, i'm scared. i'm scared i won't be able to go home. very unnerving to be a prisoner. >> the video goes on for about a half hour. he's 23 years old. he urged the american people to bring the troops home. now, obviously, mike we don't know what parts of this video were scripted by his kidnappers, what parts weren't. u.s. troops have spent more than two weeks searching for him. the taliban claiming he's safe, but they have threatened to kill him if, and this is a quote, foreign troops continue to target civilians in the name of search operations. mike? >> sad story. thanks for the update on that. we want to update you on the gruesome development in the cruise ship killing.

friday we told you about robert and shirley mcgill ex-high school sweethearts who reconnected. new today from the fbi, robert mcgill reportedly admitted killing his wife with his bare hands. he's a school teacher. a guy who friends say loved his wife, was always calm. he was excited about spending his birthday with her in mexico. how do you go on this romantic get away, this is a great story, the reconnection after all these years, how do you go from that to this brutal crime? joining me now to talk about this greg moran, legal affairs reporter with the "san diego union tribune." he was in court last week when mcgill went before a judge. sounds like things got interesting. also, former prosecutor anita kay and donald clark. greg, were you in court and did things get a little bizarre with mr. mcgill. >> yes, i was. they did get a little unusual near the end of the hearing. this is what is normally a

fairly routine hearing in federal court, an initial appearance where the defendant just shows up, told what the charges are against you and if there's probable cause for those. the court had pretty much gone through all of those when suddenly mr. mcgill who was standing kind of in the jury box area of the courtroom blurted out, may i say something, your honor, at which point his attorney, he had been assigned an attorney for the purpose that have hearing kind of whispered to him and began to shush him. but for about a minute, didn't have a lot of success. he wasn't particularly erratic or aggressive, but very insistent that he wanted to make a statement. what was interesting was there were two rows of family members just maybe ten or 15 feet away from him who were sitting, one of whom was sobbing very loudly as he continued to sort of argue a little bit with his attorneys about his desire to say something. and while they were whispering,

he wasn't making much of an effort to keep his voice down. so some of what he said was pretty clearly audible in the courtroom. he said that i want to make a statement. they need to hear from me now. apparently referring to the people in the courtroom. he talked about there were some sort of cryptic comment where he said something like, that's putting more financial burden on top of the pain and horror that have caused this family. and at the end, he said apparently, after being convinced by his attorneys this was not the time to say anything, he said i don't think it's for the best. i think they are suffering now and they need to hear from me. >> so he didn't confess. anything you heard or family might have heard that he fully admitted to a crime? into no, i didn't hear it. i was on almost the exact al qaeda of the courtroom from him. i didn't hear that. we found out later after the paperwork was filed in the court case an affidavit by an fbi agent who went out there to the cruise ship to interview

passengers and interrogated mcgill said that he did admit on thursday, which was the day before that he had killed his wife with his bare hands in the bathroom of their cabin. >> wow. let me get to anita kay. as greg's describing that scene in court, you're an attorney. what do you do if your client wants to make a statement? you've got family members sobbing. how do you calm that situation and how could it affect a future trial? >> if that's your client, you need to really tell him this is not in his best interests, this is not the time to make a statement. even though the probable cause statement says that he already confessed, we don't know about that confess. we don't know if it's something we would try to get thrown out of court. when you're in court, the only person doing the talking is the attorney. the client should remain quiet no matter how much arguing he does, it's not in his best interests. and it really could affect the case because if he starts blurting out, i did it, i did it, and the other confession gets thrown out, now he's just confessed in open court that he

did it, and it's more drama. you really need client control to tell your client it's not in his best interests. >> let me bring in don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. you heard greg talking about finances. can you glean motive out of that in the sense of financial trouble drove this guy to that? can you pick that off of what happened in court there? >> it's very possible, mike. but in this case, you know, the fbi agents, this is not a slam-dunk case, no matter how it appears from the surface. and they've got to take all of this information that they've heard since they've been investigating and what he has said himself and put this together as a case because anita is absolutely right is that no matter what he says, at the end of the day, it's going to come down to a jury and the fbi having to prove his case if he goes to trial. so all of these things he said are going to be looked at in detail and they are going to put together a case just as if he

had not said a word. >> when we come back, i'll ask greg more what specifically may have gone on on that ship where shirley mcgill ended up dead. we'll take your calls as well, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continue our conversation about a gruesome murder aboard a cruise ship and allegedly husband killing his wife.

both celebrating their 5th birthday within days of each other. they were high school sweethearts reconnected via the internet. married about five years and now shirley mcgill ends up dade. adam is with us in ohio. your thoughts here? >> caller: i just think, i mean it's ridiculous. i hope justice is southbound on this case. we've got a guy who teaches our kids in high school and kills his wife, his high school sweetheart on his birthday. i just think it's ridiculous. i think some people just don't get it. >> yeah, it's baffling when you have the back story, which sounds like a great one. let's bring back greg moran, san diego union tribune. you talked a little bit about a possible confession reported confession on thursday where he admits he killed his wife with his bare hands. do we know anything more about what happened on that cruise ship. >> at this point we don't. he just came off the ship on thursday when it docked in san

diego and he was in court the next afternoon, fairly late in the afternoon. really the only public paperwork on this has been what's been filed by the government which kind of details in very bare bones fashion how they got onto the boat, what they found when they got there. shirley mcgill dead dead in the cabin of the bathroom, apparently there a couple of who yours. doesn't say anything about motive. he was 55. her birthday was a week before. >> any family, friends talking about maybe there was a little bit of trouble here or does everyone paint a rosy picture of this marriage? >> so far, the family members as far as i know, i haven't been able to speak to any of them, there were quite au number of them in court on friday but they left very quickly under the protection of the u.s. attorney's office. in a way, they kind of shuttled them out so they won't have to speak to media there. there are neighbors in the los angeles area, neighborhood where this couple lived that

have told the associated press and other news organizations that they're very surprised at this that this was apparently an outwardly very happy, very amicable couple. at this point no, we don't know what could have triggered this. >> so don, how do we piece this to the? you've got to have some of those folks that were on that ship near that room talking about what they saw leading up to shirley mcgill's death. >> you hit it right on the head. it's an investigation now, and just look what they've got out there. the fbi has at least ten fbi agencies out there, they've got full jurisdiction to do whatever. they've already talked to in excess of 50 people and going to treat this case just as if the accused had never said a word and find every bit of evidence. you will find out there will be people who heard commotion from one cabin to another. every bit of this will be documented and that's how that he going to make their case. >> i believe they've talked to roughly 50 people.

don, gad talking to you. michael vick has served his time for the dogfighting charges. so should he get another shot in the nfl? if so, when? also this chris brown posted a two-minute long apology for beating up his then girlfriend rihanna. you'll hear the words i'm sorry straight from his mouth. we want to know what you think about that. call in, the number 1-877-tell-hln.

michael vick is a free man. the ankle bracelet came off this morning. did he his time, about two years in prison, house arrest. hard time, eleven worth. i think he should have a chance to play in the nfl and his comeback should be tied to his work with the humane society. the president of the humane society, wayne fa sell, may put

it best saying the goal is never the continued punitive treatment of michael vick. the goal has always been to eradicate dogfighting in america and the world. if he can help out wipe out dogfighting, let him play but no bs, he's just some spokesperson. this is going to be a continued long-term effort from michael vick. basically his nfl tied to his work with the humane society. want to know what you think. the number 1-877-tell-hln. joining me now to talk about this, mike powell, manager and media strategist and ivan goal, he's represented many current and former nfl players in criminal cases. ivan, you talked to nfl players about life choices, right? so we get your background correct. >> yes. >> is michaeling back to the nfl and if so, when do you think? >> michael vick is definitely coming back to the national football league. the commissioner wants michael vick to express remorse.

vick must put a plan together and sit down with the commissioner, put a plan together and say look, i'm going to make public service announcements and contribute some of my salary to animal rights causes, to be a spokesman to, put his money where his mouth is. if he really does this, if he shows remorse and will not embarrass the league again, will not embarrass the commissioner again and can convince the commissioner he won't embarrass the league or the commissioner again, they will let him play and i think they will reinstate him for this season, 2009. >> real quick on that. i want to get mike in. do you think roger goodell is going to suspend further? >> no, i don't. i think he will play this season if he puts together a plan that convinces the commissioner that he's serious. >> mike, perfect segue to you. what kind of plan does he need to come with to show the reforce and led roger goodell and the nfl community know he's serious about doing something about this

and ready in contrition to help out with these causes? >> it's going to have to be a lot more than just what he's doing with the humane society. a lot of people are looking at that alliance before it's gotten off the ground as spin. that's a problem for likal vick. michael vick has a lot of dog lovers who still hate him. the nfl thinks about itself more than one individual player. those are three big things that have to be brought into the case. roger is a tough man. he is looking at things closely. he will leave wiggle room to say if michael isn't walking the talk, guess what, he's going to have a short football career. >> could i say something please? look, the commissioner has to be fair. there have been other nfl players and i know i represented them, domestic violence cases, drug cases, recently a vehicular manslaughter case, michael vick cannot be singled out. >> he absolutely can be singled out because people are singled out in the court of public opinion and in society every single day. >> this is not the court of

public opinion. >> it absolutely is the court of public opinion. what are you talking about. >> no, it's not the court of public opinion. this is the national football league. >> let me jump in here, in her. mike, let me ask you this. when you talk about reputation, we've talked about on michael vick's side. what about the reputation of the nfl? is that what roger goodell is going to have to be tough and instill another suspension on mike vick before he can play? do you think another year's coming for mike vick away from the game? >> i don't think there's another year away from the game. but listen, this whole thing is in the court of public opinion. the court of public opinion is the public. and yes, football is a part of that. it also includes his drug use.h it also includes his reputation the reputation of all the h players. the reputation of the league. the bottom line is the nfl is a big business. the nfl is thinking of itself t before just one individual player. and any team that is thinking about taking him is thinking the same way. there's a lot of work to do. >> let me say this quickly. we forget, michael vick was one of the most popular players in the league before he got in trouble.

>> the key word is "was," sir. the key word is "was." >> can i finish, please? his jersey was -- >> you've been doing a lot of talking, sir. the key word is "was." >> his jersey was the number one seller and still is a popular selling jersey among flags. you forget and underestimate michael vick -- >> sir, i specialize in crisis pr, sir. >> i hate to -- >> i specialize in crisis pr. >> i work in the industry -- >> guys, a lot of folks want to chime in via the phones. let's get a call in real quick. patty in florida. patty, take to us break. go ahead. >> caller: yes. >> go ahead, patty. >> caller: i think he should be allowed to play. he's served his time. i am a great supporter of the humane society, yes. i agree. he should do his public service work there. but he should be allowed to play. we give everybody a second chance. >> i think a lot of people would like to see that. but he's got to do something concrete, and it's got to be long-term with the humane society. michael vick can do a lot to help wipe out dogfighting.

new this hour, three more people are wanted in the murder of a florida couple, known for adopting special needs kids. a tragic story here. now, there are already eight arrests. and if it took a small army to carry out this calculated ninja-style attack, could cops be ready to talk about another possible motive here? and disgraced dogfighting quarterback michael vick is now a free man. he served his 23-month prison sentence. house arrest. time in leavenworth. paid the debt to society. publicly humiliated. he's basically lost it all. so will the nfl give him another shot? should they? and if so when? you're a huge part of the show. loving hearing from you on these topics. call in. the number 1-877-tell-hln. you can e-mail us at

cnn.com/primenews or text us at hlntv. start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. welcome to hour number two of "prime news." i'm mike galanos. some new court documents just released giving shocking insights on the wealthy florida couple killed in that elaborate elaborate ninja-style invasion of their home. the accused ring leader, leonard patrick gonzalez jr., told police he actually knew the victims, byrd and pell nii billings and they apparently knew him well enough to give him money. a lot of new developments to talk about. talk of a new motive, possibly. people being questioned. possibly more arrests on the way. who's going to step in and take care of the couple's 13-plus kids? we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln. joining us again to talk about it, hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks. also with us, morning radio talk show host rob williams from news radio 1620 in pensacola.

he's followed this since day one. as has mike. mike, let's talk about this possible connection here of a business dealing between the alleged mastermind, leonard gonzalez jr., and byrd and melanie billings about possibly giving him money. what do you make of that? and does that feed in to you as possibly one of these new motives we're talking about here? >> it could, mike. we know byrd billings had an automobile dealership, he sold used cars and he had a financial arm, he'd go ahead and give loans. you know, now, what exactly -- what kind of financial backing did he get? now, apparently, they did support him financially in buying a karate studio. but the other thing is in the warrant that we just were reading about today apparently gonzalez's mother, terry popp, had bought a car from a guy by the name of john hartsfield. he's the one who called the police when they put the picture of this red dodge van out there and said hey, this looks like the van i just sold her, and she

said that she was buying it for her son whose car was just repossessed. okay. so did he possibly buy that car from billings and had it repossessed? you know, because there was no investigation to billings. we've heard that through the sheriff. you know, but did he repossess this car from him? could it be to get back at him? that could be just another possible motive. >> let's bring in rob williams. rob, clarify for-u wh us, what businesses did melanie and bird beelgz own? >> he's been around pensacola for a long time. currently it's a used car dealership and the finance arm of the house as well. it's a buy here pay here place. interestingly enough, mike, it's about a block down from the sheriff's department. i mean it's just down the street past all the bail bonds spots. we've also heard people say it's one of those tough buy here pay heres. you miss that payment by a day they're going to send someone to grab the car back from you. it's possible that pat gonzalez jr. was the victim of that, missed a payment, a day late,

two days late, and boom, his car's gone, sew neo he needed ar vehicle. maybe a little revenge in there. but this claim -- this, by the way, is a claim to investigators, and i'm kind of wondering how it leaked out, whether it was from an investigator or somebody on gonzalez's side, maybe his lawyer, just to throw a little more, little shake and bake move on us here, saying -- he could claim a lot of things. remember early on they talked about his facebook, or his myspace page, we are talked about his missing 8-year-old daughter and original supposition was that she was one of the kids that the billings had adopted. and that turned out not to be the case. so him making a claim is just that. the other thing, the gem, the nugget in this whole thing is the idea that investigators are searching for a briefcase. you remember i asked the question in the news conference last friday what else was taken from the house, and sheriff david morgan kind of looked at me and then said we're not going to comment one way or the other on that. so in other words, there's more stuff out there. what is it, where is it, and why hasn't it been found? >> yeah.

and to reiterate, rob, and help me out with this, what we know of is a safe was taken out of the house, and not the valuables we'd expect. not a lot of cash. some medicine for the kids, some family documents, and a few jewels, right? >> exactly. i mean, microwave-size house safe. you can buy it off the shelf at any store. passport-a dopgs papers, birth certificates, medications for the kids. special needs kids. down's syndrome, cp. they have medications. and you want to keep them secure in the house. and then some jewelry of sentimental value, something that belonged to your grandmother, your great aunt or something like that. nothing of great value. but important stuff. but not -- it wasn't a cache full of money. >> not worth killing for. >> that's right. and certainly not worth killing for. >> let's get a call in real quick, guys. michael in north carolina. michael, your comment, question here? >> caller: yes. i was wondering. you just spoke about it with my page -- myspace account. but it did say something about his daughter and getting his daughter soon. i just wondered, you know, had

they checked into that and how do they know it's not true. >> let's clarify that as well. rob, what is the family situation? >> okay. this is pat gonzalez's first marriage. and that -- >> junior. >> pat gonzalez jr. and has a daughter, 8 years old. they live, the ex-wife and the daughter live down in sarasota, just south of tampa, st. pete. they are fine. they had nothing -- his claims on his -- i'm not sure if his facebook or myspace -- had nothing to it. but then of course he made up all of these friends that he supposedly had. and we know that wasn't the case either. so here's a man who's living in his own little world. so a claim that he got money from bud billings to set up his kung fu studio, i don't know. take it with a grain of salt. maybe a whole shaker. >> mike brooks, let's get mike in on this, then we'll tack a quick break. mike, what do you make of that? as you'd mentioned and rob mentioned as well, financing the martial arts studio. >> right. >> you've got car issues possibly here.

is somewhere in that, is that the missing piece we're looking for? >> you know, mike-f he got his car repossessed and he can't make his car payment, how is he going to repay any possible loan from the billings on his martial arts studio? you know, did he go in here hoping to find the paperwork for the loan that he might have gotten, killed both of them, and hoping that this whole loan would go away? you know, that's just another theory. but again, we talked about the briefcase, and in the search warrant they were looking in this dodge van for a briefcase that belonged to the victim along with a 9-millimeter handgun, two long guns, one shotgun, one rifle. >> guys, we'll take a quick break. when we come back, more on this. we'll talk about other arrests that could be coming down the pike. we want to know is one of those people that's going to be arrested the person who was supposed to disable the surveillance video that we're looking at here that led to the arrests? call in, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. chris brown is apologizing for assaulting his then girlfriend, singer rihanna. we know he pleaded guilty last month. why the apology now? that's the question. we're going to let you hear a lot of that apology. i've had a chance to see it. about two minutes long. so stick around. we'll play it for you. then we want to get your thoughts. call in, 1-877-tell-hln is the phone number. right now we'd like to continue our conversation as we are trying to explore whether or not there's a missing key in the tragic murder of byrd/bud and melanie billings. there they are with their family. opened their hearts and their lives to so many children. we want to know what's going to happen with the kids and also again about the motives and theories concerning their murders. taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. let's go to the phones. scott in iowa.

hey, scott, your question here. >> caller: yeah, you know the d.a.'s involved in that case with the billings. and i was wondering if anything had to do with drugs that was in the safe for the special needs kids that the guys that were taking the safe. >> okay. rob, as we -- let's lay it out there again for scott, our caller. the drugs found in the safe were just medications for the special needs children. nothing that you would steal for, right? >> no, nothing that michael jackson would shoot up either, if you want to know the truth. i mean, this is the stuff that kids with special conditions, prescribed medication, they keep it in unit dosages, they need to keep it somebody safe because kids are kids. they'll wander around and look at everything. so you wanted to keep it someplace like that. then when it was needed they'd bring it out and do the dosage. probably just had some extra supply there. but nothing worth note. a lot of people have stronger stuff in their medicine cabinet

readily available. that's what we know on that. but the d.e.a.'s checking out a lot of things, including all these guys. and whether there are some stolen cars involved. you're transporting a stolen car, might as well take a couple keys of something with you. maybe that's what they're looking at. >> bringing back mike. mike, when we talk about possible arrests, we've gone over maybe three more people arrested. and number one, we want to find out who was the person who was supposed to disable, and thankfully they didn't disable the surveillance video because that's what led to the arrests. you've got to think they know now who this is and it's just a matter of tracking this person down. >> oh, exactly. you look at computer records. the sheriff had intimated earlier they were looking at some computer records, data bases, all these kinds of things, and said it could be maybe a technician, somebody with an alarm company. because mike, someone had to know the access code. you go on a computer, you've got to type in an access code to get into the system to change or to turn it off. did this person get cold feet, or were they unable to get into the computer system? >> got you. rob -- >> by the way, i've got a

question for mike brooks. mike, give a grade to the escambia county sheriff's department tracking all i guess the seven bad guys down in about 100 hours. four full working days. what's your take on that? how'd they do? >> i think they did very well. and you know, give escambia, fds, florida department of law enforcement, the fbi, d.e.a., they all deserve an a-plus in this. i think they did a good job. and i also think, rob, they've done a good job of holding their cards close to the vest. because you've still got people out there. and as an investigator and if i'm working this case, i don't want any information leaked out whatsoever. i think the sheriff has done a good job. you know, new things kept coming all the time. he kept everyone informed of it. not without giving up too much. >> hey k rob, before we let you go. >> that might be the point, mike, that they were keeping all this stuff close to the vest. once they have everybody in, then the information, then it will start coming up. >> hey, rob, real quick, before we let you go, what's new with the future of the kids? we have a family member stepping up, right? want to get out there for the folks. >> right.

now, there is a trust fund set up for the kids at compass bank here in pensacola. it's easy to find online. i actually went to the billings' house in beulah, suburban pensacola, on saturday. the kids were there playing in the pool like normal kids were, surrounded by relatives and good friends. and of course with special need kids, they need to have a routine. that's very, very important in their lives. so yeah, did they go in and recarpet, repaint, take all the old furniture out of the bedroom, out of the crime scene? they did that. but they're going to try to get that family -- keep it together, keep it normal. c@ú

welcome back. huge shocker in the michael jackson case, sure to create tons of outrage here. we're just getting word his death may not lead to murder charges after all. a senior law enforcement official tells the "l.a. times" there's nothing to suggest it, it's unsupported by the facts so far. yet we've heard time and again accusations from michael jackson's family members that he was pumped full of drugs, that

it was foul play, a conspiracy to get his money. so if we're not talking murder here, do any of his doctors bear some responsibility? what are we talking about as far as charges? that and other new developments coming up. taking your calls. 1-877-tell-hln. joining us once again, welcome back jim moret, chief correspondent for "inside edition." also with us anita kaye and also with us dr. jeff gardere, clinical psychiatrist. jeff, let's hit on the murder charge, or lack thereof is what we're hearing from an inside source. and i think a lot of people are saying wait a minute, if michael jackson is found with diprivan in his system and some doctor irresponsibly gave it to him and it's the primary cause of death, isn't a murder charge to follow or not, jim? help us out here. >> it depends. first of all, the coroner has to rule this a homicide, which means it wasn't an accidental death. if it is ruled a homicide, there are still a number of charges that the d.a. can proceed with. among them, illegally prescribing drugs, prescribing drugs under a number of aliases.

that's what we're seeing in the anna nicole case. they could go higher, though, to the specific act of giving him a drug if, for example, propofol or diprivan is used. you could go into involuntary manslaughter. but they're saying this does not rise to the level of murder. which is obviously a stiffer penalty and a different charge legally. that doesn't mean that i doctor's actions wouldn't have led to the death. it simply means they wouldn't proceed. they may not have a strong enough case. >> got you. anita, you're our attorney. as well as jim. but help us out. what do we need to meet the threshold of a murder charge in this michael jackson scenario? >> mike, for the prosecutors to go after first degree murder, they have to prove that someone intended to kill michael jackson. and i don't think that we've really heard that there's any evidence with regard to that, that it was -- someone intended to kill him. then you look at second degree, which is basically a woeful disregard for human life. that might be the highest charge

they could go after. but it's still a high burden because we've got different doctors. we don't know what all the doctors were doing. and we've talked about i think the real focus is really on the diprivan. because some of the other drugs are lawful and there may be a reason why they were prescribed. the diprivan we can't seem to find a reason why it would be prescribed. then we look at the involuntary manslaughter, and that might be the best way to go, if in fact they're going to prosecute anyone for the death of michael jackson. >> okay. let me ask jim, let me ask you about it. anita mentioned woeful disregard of human life. is giving someone diprivan in the home setting a woeful disregard? because we have people and nurses, everyone saying you may not wake up if you give diprivan in an unmonitored environment. >> well, but you have a doctor theoretically in the scenario you're talking about administering it. that would be different if you or i were to administer it. i'm not trained to do that. so if i were to do it, i would argue, yes, that's a willful disregard. if a doctor is monitoring his

condition, you could argue that it's not a willful disregard, that it may be reckless in some fashion but doesn't rise to that higher threshold. and that's what makes it complicated. the other wild card, of course, is that diprivan dissipates rather quick liu in the system. i haven't talked to any doctor who's given me a definitive answer of how you actually assess whether diprivan was in the system at the time or whether it dissipates and then you have to use circumstantial evidence like an empty diprivan container. that's -- that could be problematic for prosecutors. >> okay. and jim, you used the right word there. this scenario we're talking about here, nothing's been proven, that it's in his system or not. but i have to ask dr. jeff gardere this. jeff, when we're talking about the possibility of diprivan, a dangerous drug like that, especially in a home setting, how does a doctor get to that place in their mind? that they think that's okay. >> well, it all comes down to the relationship between the doctor and the patient. and as we know, michael jackson had a very good relationship with all of his doctors, able to

get medication at will. and we finds even regular folks, not just michael jackson folks but regular folks-f they have a good enough relationship with their physician they call them up and say i need some pain medication. most physicians, i hate to say it, but it's true, most physicians will go ahead and say we'll write you out something or just call your pharmacy, have it picked up, we'll phone it in. it all comes down to what your relationship was with your physician. and michael jackson, remember, he put a physician on his payroll for this concert. so evidently, he was the one who was telling him what he needed. >> okay, guys, we're going to take a quick break. we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln. coming back. we've got reports that katherine jackson, michael's mom, could be contesting the will. we'll delve into that, coming up.

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full responsibility. although i will do some interviews and answer some questions in the future i thought it was time that you hear directly from me that i am sorry. i have tried to live my life that i way which can make those around me proud of me. and until recently i think i was doing a pretty good job. i wish i had the chance to live those few moments again. but unfortunately, i can't. i cannot go into what happened. and most importantly, i'm not going to sit here and make any excuses. i take great pride in me being able to exercise self-control, and what i did was inexcusable. i am very sad and very ashamed of what i've done. my mother and my spiritual teachers have taught me way better than that. i have told rihanna countless times, and i'm telling you today that i am truly, truly sorry and that i wasn't able to handle the situation both differently and better. >> all right. brown pleaded guilty, we know to one count of assault last month. sentencing set for august 5th. we know he had the clean-cut image. many just shocked when we heard what happened.

and then we saw the pictures. tmz had the photos.úx bruised battered face. police say he punched her. had her in a headlock. threatened to kill her. that was back in february. so why the apology now? we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln's the number. joining us to talk about this, welcome back jim moret, "inside edition." also an attorney. also welcome back mike paul, reputation manager. and jeff gardere, clinical psychologist. want to get everybody's take on the apology. jeff, let's start with you as the clinical psychologist. you hear it. does it sound sincere to you? what are your initial thoughts? >> i want to give him the benefit of the doubt baunz of the things you weren't able to play and you may want to play a little later, is he talks about domestic violence. he comes from a home where he witnessed domestic violence. i think he's making the connection that yes, he does have psychological issues too and they have to be addressed. and i think the reason that he probably waited so long, one for

legal liability reasons, but he also had to wait for the michael jackson stuff it die down somewhat so that as many people as possible could pay attention to this apology and hopefully his redemption. >> okay. mike paul, reputation manager, is this something you would have advised him to do to begin to repair his image? >> well, i wouldn't have done it with a videotape. he needs to have more transparency and accountability than that. so i would have had either an interview one on one with, you know, one of the top news anchors, maybe someone like yourself. or i would have had an all-out press conference for true transparency and accountability. >> mike, let me ask you, when i watched it right before the show, i had a chance to watch it, two minutes long, one thing -- i mean, like jeff i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. but it's clear he's reading cue cards. he's not looking directly at the camera. i think that was a mistake. i'd rather have him just roll up the sleeves and -- if you're going to go videotape like this, bring it a little more from the heart than a written cue card like he's doing, don't you think?

>> well, i think there are three important things here. number one, with a true apology there are no ifs or buts in it. and i think there are some ifs and buts -- excuse me -- in his apology. two, i think it's being led by an attorney. it's not being led by someone who is a reputation management counselor or crisis management counselor. they did an excellent job with the law. they should have been working hand in hand frankly and not waiting till this far along to have an apology. this is something that should have been said a long time ago if they were truly thinking of his reputation. and three, those building blocks that i talk about, truth, honesty, humility is a key building block. when you say that i've told rihanna countless times an apology, obviously she's not accepting it. she is the person you're supposed to be apologizing to. he's a christian. you go directly to the person with your apology. secondarily you come to us. but she has to be the one who

believes it. she isn't there yet. >> we've got some skaulz lined up. real quek i want to go to jim moret. jim, is this something he had to do? what are your thoughts here? >> yeah, i think he really did have to do it. but i agree with what you've been talking about. i think the way in which he did it seemed contrived, if you will. the thing that complicates this is he's not under the conditions of the probation allowed to have contact with rihanna. so even though he said he has previously said his apologies, he cannot approach her for five years while he's on probation. but i think that he has to reach out. he's got to rebuild his career, rebuild his image, maybe a different image now. you've got to apoll skrooiz. i agree with what you're talking about -- >> and mike, let's not forget that he's doing this on youtube. this is the way he can connect with his fans more than anything else. and even though i agree with your other two guests and especially with the spin doctor there, the bottom line is i'm not sure that chris brown has the sophistication to stand up to reporters and that may do him more harm than good. but yes, absolutely, there should be -- >> but he can have a one-on-one

interview and be a very friendly environment and just speak from the heart and say you know what, what i did was wrong. >> jeff, we've been on a lot of shows together. you know who i am. i'm not a spin doctor. i deal with reputations. >> that was a compliment, my friend. >> i appreciate it. but spin to me is a four-letter word. i really don't think spin is a good thing. and it's everything i talk about in the news in dealing with clients as well. but he should have done it in a more transparent way, and he needs to have accountability is the key word. he's not getting that accountability through youtube. >> let's get a phone call in, guys. chris in arkansas. your thoughts on what you heard from chris brown. >> caller: i'm talking about chris brown. >> yeah, go ahead. >> caller: i think chris brown should have made the apology a long time ago. and i think he's just doing it now because he's losing a lot of endorsements and they're not playing his music on the radio no more. >> so you're a little skeptical there, huh, chris? >> caller: yeah. and if that would have been anybody else who didn't have

money like chris brown has, they would have did jail time. >> jim moret, let's talk about that. because what -- again, we want to give him the benefit of the doubt. this is an effort here. but we've talked about it and the caller's talking about it. you wait till the news cycle of michael jackson has a slight lull, i guess. are you seeing through that a little bit? does that make you question, like the caller? >> i don't think he could have done anything until his court date, which you're playing there. and as far as going to jail or not, i think in many ways -- and i've read the opinions of several attorneys on this. in many ways he got a very tough deal compared to what you or i might have gotten. he could have gone to jail. he's now got to take 52 weeks of anger management. he's got five years' probation. he has to serve 180 days in a labor camp. it's not like here in california where you're picking up trash on the side of the road. it's a much more difficult program. so i don't think he got just a slap on the wrist. and your caller's right.

he's losing millions of dollars. but you can't continue to condemn him for the rest of his life if in fact he's repentant and he wants to rebuild his image. >> key point there. let's take a break. we're going to hear more of chris brown's apology when we come back and take more of your calls at 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. singer chris brown has

apologized. he released a video on youtube apologizing for assaulting his then girlfriend rihanna. let's play a little bit more of that for you right now. >> as many of you know, i grew up in a home where there was domestic violence, and i saw firsthand what uncontrolled rage could do. i saw it, and i'm continuing to seek help to assure that what took place in february can never happen again. and as i sit here again, i can tell you that i will do everything in my power to make sure that it never happens again. and i promise that. what i did was unacceptable. 100%. i can only ask and pray that you forgive me, please. i hope that others learn from my mistakes. i intend to live my life so tt i'm truly worthy of the term "role model." thank you. >> there again, chris brown releasing that video on youtube. his apology for assaulting his then girlfriend rihanna. we have our experts standing by. we like to take your calls. let's go to the phones. carla in georgia. hey, carla.

your thoughts here. >> caller: yes. i was just calling to say i think everyone is, you know, a little too hard on chris brown. i think him and rihanna -- i think rihanna's over the whole thing, and i just want to see it go away. >> well, when a man hits a woman, it's certainly not too strong. you know, it's something that's very important for us to analyze. so i disagree with the caller. you know, one of the things that i think the public is looking for, and this is mike paul, looking for a repentant heart. and you know, one of the things that was mentioned earlier, we're not sure whether he is sorry for being caught or sorry truly within his heart, way repentant heart. so we need to see evidence of that. >> yeah. >> and it's going to -- one of the things that's tough for people to hear is this is going to take years. quite frankly, for both of the two celebrities that we're talking about. michael vick and chris brown. it took years for to you learn this behavior, domestic violence and how you treated dogs, looking at the two of them, and it's going to take years for you to overcome it.

you have jeff who's on the show who's an expert in these areas from a behavioral and a mental perspective. you know, going to a few weeks of anger management classes is not going to get you back on the path to truth for the rest of your life. >> let's bring in jeff on that point. and to the caller, in a sense our caller carla said rihanna's gotten over it. i'm not so sure. that was quite a beating. and jeff, you can speak to that. i don't think that's something you get over in a couple of months. >> well, let me also say that mike is correct in that yes, it does take much longer to get over this. 52 weeks of anger management is long, but it's not long enough because this takes a lifetime to get through. as for rihanna, it's not just that it's the physical scars she has to deal with. it's the emotional scars. we have to make sure that she does not put herself in another position, as we see with many victims of domestic violence, that she has some sort of self-esteem or psychological issues where she ends up in other relationships where she's a victim of domestic violence. so she's really got to work that out. and i've said this on your show, mike, many times.

>> she's got to get -- we talk about chris brown. obviously, he needs the council and anger management. she needs the counseling as well. you make a good point. jim moret, as we wrap this up, it was ill-advised the last video we saw from chris brown, when he was talking about dropping a new single. so at least this is an improvement from that. what about his career? does he have new music coming out? and jim, do you think people are going to buy it? >> yeah, i don't think he's going to be the wholesome kid that a lot of people thought of him as before. but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a great career. he's talented. he's young. he made a mistake. it was a horrible mistake. i have two daughters. i also have a son. and we talk about violence against women at home. it's inexcusable. but you can't condemn him for the rest of his life. i agree with mike. if he has a repentant heart, you've got to give him a shot at making his life work. so i think that he will have fans. many will fall by the wayside, but he'll get other new ones. his image may change. he's becoming an adult.

and hopefully, he's learned from this. >> all right. a repentant heart. we hope to see it if full with chris brown. thanks so much, guys. mike, jeff, and jim. the repentant heart, that's what everybody wants to see from michael vick as well. is he truly sorry for funding and being part of a dogfighting operation? he's paid for his crime. 23 months, federal sentence. part of that time spent in leavenwor leavenworth. so does he come back to the nfl? should the nfl suspend him? does he have a more powerful voice to help eradicate dogfighting if he's playing football? call in with your thoughts. i'm going to welcome in my colleague jane velez-mitchell after the break.

welcome back. well, michael vick is now free, is a free man. ankle bracelet gone. he did his time. about two years in prison. part of that spent, hard time in

leavenworth. here comes the question. when does he play in the nfl? i think michael vick should have another chance to play in the nfl. if he shows remorse and ties his work with the humane society and he can help wipe out dogfighting. if he can do all that, i say let him play. joining me to talk about this, my colleague jane velez-mitchell. jane, host of "issues with jane velez-mitchell," coming your way in about 12 minutes. you may disagree on this one. but i want to read a quote from wynne fasell. this is the president and ceo of the humane society. and he says basically it's not about continued punitive treatment of michael vick. the goal has been to eradicate dogfighting in america and around the world. so if michael vick can help eradicate dogfighting with a long-term effort you tie the rest of his career with his work with the humane society, then i say he should play. jane, your thoughts. >> okay. first of all, this was not some momentary lapse in judgment. this was a guy with a $130 million contract over ten years

who decided to engage in a long-running, well-thought-out criminal enterprise that according to the something like 19-page indictment involved horrifically cruel treatment of dogs, including the electrocution of dogs, the drowning of dogs, and the killing of dogs by slamming them to the ground. now, this is what i worry about. i worry about saying okay, let's forget about it, go back and play in the nfl. what kind of message does that say -- what does it send to young boys especially who emulate these superstars? what does it say to other people in the nfl who might be engaged or thinking about engaging in this kind of behavior? i don't think you can just say, well, he's served his time. there's the court of law, and there's the court of public opinion. i know if you, mike, went out and committed a violent crime or

committed a criminal enterprise, after you did your time you wouldn't be able to waltz back and get your job as the anchor of "prime news" back. i really seriously doubt that. okay? so i think i think that we havek at the extent of this criminal enterprise. there is one thing having a momentary lapse in judgement, but another to have a criminal enterprise. >> let me ask you this, my take is, if you let him back, number one he has to show the remorse. as the humane society said, when the spotlight is off, that is when the work continues. if there is a long-term commitment. he has a pow everful voice in places where dog fighting still exists, but isn't that a good thing, jane? >> here is the problem with that theory. they commit a crime and then do an image spinned makeover and

become the spokesperson for the thing which they initially had done. he has to change, that requires work, time, counselling, therapy. to understand why he felt the need to engage in this type of behavior. dog fighting happens when a dog dies while people watch and bet and cheer. >> this is horrible. >> i'm not saying that he should never get another shot, but i can't say, well, you know he's changed. >> let's give him an opportunity to show that he is working on himself and changed. when he has demonstrated it, give him another shot, perhaps. >> we want to see a long-term change. not some bs, 30 second psa michael vick. xxxxxxxd