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start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. controversy, opinion, your point of view. this is "prime news." we have new disturbing details on a possible security breach of michael jackson's files. nosey workers at the los angeles coroner's office apparently snooping into the singer's records. "the l.a. times" reports jackson's death certificate got more than 300 views in just two weeks. police are looking into whether hackers may have tapped into cisit city computers. with us molly hennessy fisk, a reporter at the los angeles times. let's start with you. how many people got a look at his death certificate? >> we believe there were at least a half dozen corners. the corner wasn't able to tell

us yesterday whether the gatorade who might have been responsible for those 300 hits were at funeral homes or hospitals or the registrar's offices, all of which have access to different death self tiff cats. they have different levels of access to them. >> how do they get access? there could be a lot of people here, molly. >> that's true. there's a state system that regulates all of these records. it's an electronic system. and there's about 4800 use ners that system. the state issues them a user name and password to use the system in order to create these death certificates. so that would include, like i said, people at coroner's offices, but also funeral homes. >> okay. what are the authorities saying? obviously -- they get this information, they can make a mint with the tabloids, i'm sure. do authorities suspect any of that information has been sold yet? >> the coroner's office assured me they have looked into it and they do not believe that anyone

there is selling information or had accessed sensitive information and have sold it already. they've also said they're not investigating that. the state appears to be looking into how the death certificates were accessed and is in conversation with the l.a. county coroner's office about that. but they haven't sanctioned them yet or disciplined any of the employees. our understanding is employees at the coroner's office have been warned, but no one has been disciplined or fired or anything like that. >> no discipline, just a warning so far. let's bring in jim moray. somebody gets this info and sells it. what kind of trouble could they be in? >> with respect to the death certificate, it would violate internal rules, but not any laws. one likely reason is because the death certificate was eventually made public anyway. we've seen this before, specifically with medical records which are protected in a different fashion than that death certificate. we've seen it with farrah

fawcett, breeze. high profile people, you see doctors, nurses, in this case state employees, anyone with a state-authorized password, somebody at a funeral home or county office could have access to this death certificate. you're right, there is definitely an ab tight for instant news and instant gossip. this would be ripe for somebody to sell. it's disturbing because you're talking about the most sacred of documents. this is his death certificate. >> let's get a call in. lauren in michigan. your comment or question? >> caller: i think every single one of them doctors should be arrested and put in jail from this. if it's in california they should get the death sentence or whatever. this is just so stupid about what they are doing. >> okay, lauren, talking about the doctors. we'll get into that in the next segment, just how many doctors might be being looked at here as we already know that michael

jackson's personal physician, dr. conrad murray, his offices in houston raided yesterday. want to get back to the security breach, possible security breach with molly hennessy fisk reporter for "the l.a. times." what's being donnell to rectify this, molly? >> like i said, the state is telling us that they're looking into what went on in l.a. county and how many times this record was looked at inappropriately, what security improvements they might be able to make? they don't appear to be making any yet. we'll have a story in the paper tomorrow about what's going to happen in the future and who might be responsible for those 300 hits. remember those 300 hits were as of when the coroner initially discovered it which was earlier this month. so there may have been -- most likely there have been, we're hearing, more hits since then. >> what's the hope from the coroner's office, these are people that are curious? obviously what they did was wrong. they didn't want to go further

than that? is that what they're hoping for anyway? >> exactly. that's what they're telling us, they thought it was purely curiosity driven, that it was not an issue of employees selling information or using iltd for any purposes although in an e-mail they sent out to employees earlier this month, sort of admonishing him for doing this, they did direct employee employees to destroy any copies which does imply that there are copies that were made. it's not clear whether that was before or after the death certificate became public. >> okay. take a quick break. molly has to run. thanks for your insight. when we come back, more on michael jackson, his ex-nurse handing over medical files she had on the king of pop. what does she know about the death or possible death, the demise of the king of pop. taking your calls as well, 1-877-tell-hln.

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>> reporter: i think jim moret may have already answered this question. but what are the consequences to the workers, could they be fired if they're caught breaching the records? >> jim, let's reiterate for viewers just joining us. as our caller is saying, they're looking at death certificates, personal medical records. what could be the penalties here. >> medical records are a separate issue. the death certificate in particular is an internal rule violation, not breaking any law. you could have disciplinary actions taken. but that's about it. it's not a criminal violation. >> okay. i know that's not what we're dealing with here. we don't want to confuse anybody. a lot of people would like to look at michael jackson's medical records. explain that one for us. >> that's a totally different issue. medical records are separately protected under the law. we've already seen that with cases involving britney spears, farrah fawcett, and there were doctors and nurses involved, and some people were actually fired

at the hospitals where those breaches occurred. that's a separate issue. the death certificate eventually becomes public. that's why viewing that is not as big a deal even though clearly it's a breach of security and one that's very disturbing and bother some and embarrassing, frankly, to the coroner's office. >> especially when all eyes are watching. let's switch topics. cheryl lynn lee, michael jackson's former nurse, she turned over medical records to investigators. she was on the nancy grace show explaining that. let's give that a listen. >> they really want a hard copy of what i already stated. they said thank you very much for coming forward, ability the medication toss look for. it was never known to look for that. they just wanted it in writing. >> again, that's cherilyn lee. let's bring in ken baker, executive news editor for "e."

she's not a suspect. as a matter of fact, she could be a big help here. >> seems like she's been a catalyst for this investigation, for at least where they're looking. she came out just a few days after michael's death and said that four days before michael jackson died, he phoned me and, was in her words, begging her to prescribe him diprivan, the powerful an sthetic that he's believed to have died from and suffered cardiac arrest from. she was the first person to come out and say, look, this is something he was begging me for. i can only assume he was begging other people and trying to find it. that's exactly what is happening here. the lapd wanted to look at her records, see if she knew anything else beyond what she revealed. clearly, she has a lot of insights into michael jackson's condition. if i can say one thing, mike, with regard to unlawfully accessing medical records, that can be a felony. we've looked into that. that's under federal statute,

unlawful access to a computer file, you can go to prison actually for a very long time. so this probe that's going to happen into what happened down at the l.a. county coroner's office could have serious repercussions. >> jim, when we talk about -- back to cherilyn lee. we know conrad murray's office is raided. we looked at dr. arnie klein. what do we know about other doctors that could have their offices raided? >> we know of at least five doctors. now we have cheryl lynn lee's records. those records are protected under federal law. that's why she couldn't simply turn them over without a subpoena even though she's not a suspect. ken's other point is also excellent. the fact is that when she came forward and said the name diprivan, most doctors that we talked to had never, ever heard of an abuse of diprivan outside

perhaps an anesthesiologist's office. investigators wouldn't even know what to specifically look for. there are at least five doctors that were aware of and clear think by the raid yesterday, there may be other doctors involved as well because they're looking at e-mails, other charts, and there may be offshoots that would link other doctors. it's simply too early to tell. >> we have to leave it there. jim moret, ken baker, hope to talk aen soon. work laws in rhode island do not, i said do not, prohibit minors from working at strip clubs. so you could actually have some 16-year-old dancing naked for some dirty old man, and that's not illegal? call in on this one, 1-877-tell hln.

this one is going to shock you. 16-year-old girls stripping on stage, and it's perfectly legal in rhode island? that's right. minors can dance naked in front

of gawking old men as long as they're off the pole by 11:30 on a school night. the law forbids teens under 18 from operating a power saw, pumping gas, but lap dancing, no problems there. how is that legal? call in with your thoughts. help us make sense of this. 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about it, wendy murphy who specializes in child abuse cases. also by phone, road eye land state representative joann janini. why is there not a law on the books to protect these young girls. >> no state law prohibits minors from working in adult entertainment. our state law does say that anyone who employs the person under 18 for prostitution of any other lewd or indecent act faces up to 20 years in prison up to a $20,000 fine. since we allow strip clubs,

stripping is not included lewd or indecent behavior. >> are you going to take some action? >> i'm filing legislation such that they have in massachusetts where the state law will prohibit employers from hiring live performances involving sexual conduct in adult entertainment. >> that can't happen fast enough. wendy, just to backtrack, i don't see how this is legal. even the terms obscene, indecent, lewd, a 16-year-old stripper for some old man, that's not lewd? >> i tell you this is. this is the tip of the iceberg. we have a loophole that we have no indoor prostitution law in rhode island which makes it a double whammy. if these girls are doing that, who is to say they cannot do prostitution indoors as well. >> you hit it on both fronts. that's figrightening. i'm working on both bills. >> we applaud your efforts on

that. how is this happening, wendy, what's the back story on this? >> mike, sometimes it's almost just a terrible understatement to say we applaud your efforts. there are other things i'd like to say that would include much stronger language. how can rhode island be a place where in a sense you can go, if you're a dirty old man who in a sense might enjoy child pornography and child rape, child sex abuse. you go to rhode island, you can have what you want with a 16-year-old girl anywhere in the state, including have sex with her behind closed doors because they do have legal prostitution if it's done in a private setting. you've got to be kidding me. what is it with the lawmakers in the state of rhode island? was this really a loophole, or is it something that reflects their values? if they don't pass this law quickly, i think we have only one phrase to the parents there, hide the children and don't go to rhode island for visits. >> for four years i've been trying for an indoor prostitution bill, four years.

now that this came into light because of a 16-year-old run-away from boston who was dancing in a providence strip joint. that's how we found -- >> let me point something out, wendy. >> go ahead. >> real quick on that, joe ann, correct me if i'm wrong. it was found out because she was with some 40-year-old against her will. >> right, who took her here from boston, right. he was an alleged pimp. >> oh, brother. go ahead wendy. >> you get in trouble in boston, don't get trouble in rhode island. why wouldn't that be exactly what he would do? i have a question, i know there's been an effort. good for you, joann, trying to push the prostitution bill in terms of these kind of strip joint jobs, quote, unquote. who are the people stopping your legislation? i know it's been stalled a couple times. give us the names. we want to help you get over them. >> we have the people here from the aclu, senators and

representatives who are against it who feel what people do behind closed doors with their right. >> with children? with children? >> prostitutes have a right, some of them, to make a living. i strongly think this is an outrage that we can't get the law passed. >> name the head of your senate. who is the head of your senate? >> senator theresa piva weed. the bill passed the house overwhelmingly 64-9 and stalled in the senate. >> she's holding it. that person is responsible for children being raped and abused, that person. >> it is an outrage. we'll take a quick break. more with wendy and joann. call in, 1-877-tell-hln. a 16-year-old can't drive without a parent, can't buy pornography, but they can sell sex behind closed doors and be groped by some old man? call in. xxxxxxxxq

welcome back to "prime news." town manager fired after a website outed that his wife is a working porn star. here is the story. he didn't break any laws, seemed to be doing a pretty good job. the council voted 5-zip you're out, saying he's not going to have credibility, not going to be able to make deals, do his job as well. hurt the credibility of the town trying to be family friendly. what do you think? we'll take calls on that at 1-877-tell-hln. shocking results from a third autopsy on drew peterson's third wife. peterson, the ex-cop in an

illinois jail right now charged with first degree murder in kathleen savio's death. he's also suspect in the disappearance of his fourth wife stacy. savio's body was found in a dry bathtub. first autopsy was ruled accidental drowning. after drew's next wife, stacy disappears in '07, kathleen savio's body is exhumed for a second autopsy. that one came back homicide. a few days after that autopsy, the savio family ordered a third one by a renowned pathologist. we're finding out his report, showing bruises, showing savio was in a struggle which tells us no way was this an accident. 1-877-tell-hln. joining me is lisa bloom, legal analyst, and jamie wine trop and dr. bill manion, assistant medical examiner in

new jersey. lisa, we have the second autopsy tell us homicide. now dr. michael boddin's autopsy, getting more specifics. what did you find out? >> that's right. i got a hold of this autopsy last week end. i took a close look at it. i i've also seen the photographs which are very gruesome and tough to see of the decomposed remains of savio. michael boddin had a chance to do the autopsy. he's a highly respected pathologist, former chief medical examiner for new york city, been involved in a lot of high profile case, o.j. simpson, phil specter. he says based on his own review that this was a homicide. why? because number one, a healthy 40-year-old woman with no alcohol or drugs in her system would not ordinary drown in her own bathtub. number two, she had a number of bruises, contusions and lacerations on her arms, abdomen

and buttocks, some of which he could not see anymore, some of which he could still see. that indicated to him that there was a struggle, that there was a fight and, therefore, a homicide. >> let's bring in dr. bill manion. the base question is, why such discrepancy frs a first, second and third autopsy? >> i think what happens when there's initially a homicide, you have an investigator go out and people give the medical examiner -- if i had this case, i would get information initially from the investigators of the police there. they can slant you one way or another. they can talk to you and say, oh, this looks like an accident. she looks like she fell and hit her head. i know there was a laceration on the back of her head. but you have to take all that type of information with a grain of salt. you just say, okay, thanks forgiving me that information. some people are trying to push you one way or the other. this looks like an accident, this looks like it could be a death. you have to keep an open mind about everything and be very careful. certainly as we learn more about

these circumstances, one must wonder wasn't there some real genuine concern that this could be a homicide? they were getting divorced. the divorce hadn't been final, it was an acrimonious relationship. >> it all adds up, certainly does. let me bring in jamie wine trop. if you're peterson's defense team, are you reverting back to autopsy number one and saying accident, that was the autopsy done right after her death? is that what you're arguing. >> of course. i'm sure dr. boddin who is very well respected. i'm sure he would agree that the first medical examiner is a man of integrity. they do go by what is happening, what other facts are at the scene of the crime. what dr. boddin found was that the bruises were consistent with the struggle. i'm correcting lisa, but he said it was consistent with. that doesn't mean it happened as a matter of a struggle or right before she was drown or died by accident in that bathtub. all it means is at some point

she was bruised. it could have been two days old or four days old. this decomposed body that the doctor saw certainly wasn't in good condition as the first medical examiner. >> what dr. boddin says on the autopsy is they were fresh bruises, could have been a couple of days old. >> it could have been a couple of days old. we're talking to a reasonable medical certainty, talking about first degree murder. if i'm his defense lawyer, this medical examiner, dr. boddin, the m.e. report is not coming in. it wasn't done in time, hired by the family. with all due respect, there's always an inherent bias by whomever is starting to do the ought t autopsy. years later, i got to go with the first one. >> lisa, beyond the autopsies, we have words from beyond the grave, right, from kathleen savio. let me read one quick quote from

'02. he knows how to manipulate the system, talking about drew peterson. his next step is to take my children away or kill me instead. will that come into play? >> you put your finger on a very important issue in the case. the defense right now is prepare ing a motion on this issue to keep those statements beyond the grave, to keep those hearsay statements out. if they do, mike, if those statements are kept out, the prosecution has a couple of choices. number one, release drew peterson and drop the charges. they're not going to do that. number two, go forward to trial without that important evidence. they don't want to do that. number three, immediately take up an appeal on that issue. that's what i learned that the prosecution does intend to do. if they do that, drew peterson will be released from jail pending that appeal. this is a very, very important issue in the case. i have to tell you the defense has some good arguments that the law that was passed to allow these statements in is an ex-post facto law. it's uncon tushl. and it's an unconstitutional

violation of his rights to confront and cross examine witnesses. >> talk about constitutionality, this is called the drew peterson law, remember? >> not officially, yes. unformally that's what they call it. >> we'll continue for the rest of the halfway. we ab shat it. jamie, lisa, doctor, thanks for your time. a town manager says he was fired because his wife is a porn star. what do you think of that? taking your calls at 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back. porn and politics. can the two co-exist? ft. myers beach, florida, the town manager just got the ax after word that his wife is a porn star. i guess the answer is no on that front. let's bring in richelle carey to walk us through this one. what do we have here? >> this started after a website published an article last week called "politician's porn star wife." the outing, if you will, prompted an emergency meeting by the town council and the decision to fire scott janke was made. >> our issue is the situation that the town was put in in terms of how effective we can govern and whether or not this was going to serve as a distraction for that. we felt like it would. >> the mayor goes on to

acknowledge that janke never violated any rules, no laws and he had done a good job for the island town. but per janke's contract he can be fired without cause just as long as it's a majority vote. it was unanimous, 5-0. he does get a severance package, six months' pay plus health benefits. now janke's firing as town manager isn't exactly sitting well with some ft. myers beach residents. from what we've gathered sifting through local media reports, most say the termination wasn't necessary. >> they hired him.÷ they interviewed him. they checked him out. they liked him. why should this make any difference? >> there you have it, mike. >> richelle, thanks for setting the ground fork wore us. we put a word out to the mayor and invited him on the show. he declined. at the last moment scott janke was going to appear with us and decided against us.

we have mike eiglarsh weighing in on this one. love to hear your thoughts, 1-877-tell-hln. folks chiming in via e-mail and text. let's lay out a little more of the groundwork. here is the position of the town council, he won't be able to conduct business as effectively. it's going to be a distraction, take away from the message that ft. myers beach is family friendly. does all that add up? does all that even matter? legally they can fire him for no reason at all, right? >> let's start there. they have the right because in his contract it's very clear he could be fired without cause which is a fancy way of saying without any doggone reason. here is the problem. i have yet to meet anyone who thinks this was justified. he shouldn't be judged based on the performance of his wife. he should be judged on his own performance. i can't understand why they made this decision. i think it casts them in a bad light. i did some research, mike,

because i'll do anything for this show. i then had to go to her website. she apparently doesn't believe she's a porn star. she calls herself a priestess of the erotic arts. i was forced to look at her videos. no question, she's a porn star. in no way should he be held accountable for what his wife did. he didn't commit any offenses. no scandal. not doing the porn on their beaches. let him be. >> ann chiming in fee yeah facebook. i'll read this to you. when you're a political figure one has to be held to a higher degree of scrutiny. if one doesn't want their difficulty laundry aired in public, stay out of the public eye. ann says he should go. >> you're held to a higher degree of scrutiny and a different level, if you would. she's right. however, what does his wife's strong emotions, if you will, have anything to do with his

effectively performing his job? apparently he was doing it well. there was no reason to fire him. >> it is a distraction, let's face it. if you're going to do business with ft. myers beach, you're going to walk in, oh, that's the guy with the porn star wife. come on. >> no. the distraction was created by their decision. prior to them making this decision and bringing it to light, anyone doing business with that town would never have known, mike. now we know. now i've been forced to look at her website. this is horrible. >> you're rev elling in that. joe chiming in via facebook as well. regardless of his job, the answer is no, his wife's job is not relevant to his position regardless of what it is. you make a good point. as richelle laid this out, the folks in ft. myers beach sound like they're lining up behind scott janke, he was doing a good job. you're not seeing the kind of outrage to say he should go. >> no.

it's probably going to hurt the city certainly more than it's going to help. now there are numerous people, including myself, who would be hesitant to go to that town, erroneously think that the mind set is as closed-minded as these folks who came up with that decision. i don't know that i want to spend my money there. >> you think that outweighs the number of people that might not go because they don't think it's family friendly because a porn star is in the midst. >> i haven't met one person who feels like these councilmen do. have them articulate to me intelligent intelligently, passionately, why is somehow what she does for a living has anything to do with what he does? >> always good talking to you. nice job on the research, by the way. >> any time. coming up, this story. you might remember this video. we're following up on this one. highway patrolman in oklahoma choking a paramedic while there's a patient in the back of

an ahmadinejad lance. watch this. >> there we go. this trooper was not kicked off the force, suspended for five days without pay. now that paramedic is suing the trooper. we're going to sort this all out for you. again, love to take your phone calls. 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. two big developments in an unbelievable story we brought you a few months ago. an oklahoma state trooper versus a paramedic. the officer pulled over the ambulance as it was rushing a sick lady to the hospital. give it a look.

>> there you hear it. the screams in the background, you've got a family worried about a sick lady in the back of that ambulance. the paramedic gets pushed up against the ambulance. there's the choke hold. sick woman in the back. her distraught family right in the middle of it all. now the trooper we know has been suspended five days without pay. the paramedic has filed a lawsuit against that trooper. we'll take your calls on this one as we sort it out. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. manny gomala reporter. first off, what kind of trouble did the officer get in with his bosses? talk about that suspension for us and why he was suspended. >> he was suspended basically for conduct unbecoming an officer. the highway patrol after a five-week review, an internal

affairs investigation into the manner, decided his demeanor an whole thing. they also felt he should have allowed the ambulance to go on its way and deal with the ambulance crew at the hospital. so they suspended him for five days without pay as a result of that internal affairs investigation. >> let me read the statement. i believe this is from oklahoma highway patrolman captain chris west, writing this, kind of going along with what manny's saying there, that the trooper, his name's daniel martin, failed to recognize that it would have been more reasonable and appropriate to immediately allow the ambulance to continue to the hospital once he understood there was a patient on board that ambulance. and manny, back to you. that's something when we first did the story we all agreed on. it's like, all right, get to the hospital, get this lady some care, and then have it out. it was just -- your heart broke for that family who's watching

this unfold while their -- i believe it was a son and his mom in the back of that ambulance. so that basically is where the five-day suspension comes in, his lack of restrabt and really foresight of what was first priority here? >> also his confrontation with the ambulance driver. that's the part where the paramedic joins into the discussion. the ambulance driver, the ohp said that the trooper's demeanor and language was offensive and unprofessional. so that was one of the aspects of that too. dealing with the ambulance driver. that was paul franks. >> we're going to take a quick break. chip, yes-no answer. does the paramedic have a case or not? >> yes, he has a case. >> hold it right there. more from chip coming up. stay with us.

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gathering in america and a nod to the first amendment. we did so well there so we decided to take it where the action is. we have a brand new museum called a the museum on pennsylvania avenue. it's a -- it's a 45 word sign out front with the words of the first amendment 'em blazed there. we think it's healthy for them to read that says congress shall make no law. we're attempting to put it in neon. >> it is flashing? >> it's not a tribute to journalists. we had a blogger say i'm not going to set foot in that museum until they do an extra special to copy editors. it is not about you. it is a museum of history but a different kind that reports what

happened over the last several centuries through the eyes of journalists. so you get contemporary coverage of the assassination of kennedy and arrival of the beatles and the civil war and fascinating >> exactly. what have the visitors reactions been for the first year? exciting. we see the full range of course. tremendous amount of school groups and a lot of tourists visiting washingt washingto was. we bill ourselves as the world's most interactive museum. young people can play the part of a reporter or an editor or a journalist. we can even stand up in front of what you and your business called blue screen, to tape a broadcast announcement for their friends and family and then send it out to friends at home. amazing exhibits there. i well tell you, i can say this

with some degree of humility. i just joined the museum in february, i've been the editor of u.s. a. today for the last five years. we have the largest piece of the berlin wall in north america. you can go there and see that and the guard tower in collaboration and partnership with the f.b. i.we celebrate their 100th anniversary and we have phenomenal artifacts. we have the unibomber's cabin believe it or not. and depending on your age, some of your viewers probably remember patty hurst and her tenure with the liberation army. we have the gun she used in the bank robbery and the leather jacket she wore. we have can coverage including

dillinger's death mask and the bullet pruf vest he zn wear on that night >> with you have so many different exhibits. what do you have planned for us your second year? >> one of the great things about working for a museum where news is in the title we're updating and reflect the headlines in the museum. not long ago when there was an uproar in iran we covered the social network and the twittering. when newspapers have collapsed and some markets we quickly reported that. upcoming exhibits include: throughout the next year you'll be able to see manhunt exhibit about the assassination of abraham lincoln and barack ob a obama. >> i'm so sorry. we've run out of time but everyone has got and go and see

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a shocking report. people snooping into top secret files on michael jackson. 300-plus hits on his death certificate in just two weeks. plus jackson's ex-nurse hands over his personal medical records. what does she know about the demise of the king of pop? how about this? teenage girls working as strippers? 16-year-olds taking it off on stage. and it is legal in rhode island. that's as long as they're off the pole by 11:30 on a school night. that makes it all right. call in on these topics. 1-877-tell-hln's the number. you can e-mail us. cnn.com/primene cnn.com/primenews. or you can text us. hlntv. all you have to do is start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard.

>> controversy. opinion. your point of view. this is "prime news." welcome. this is hour number two of "prime news." i'm mike galanos. all right. new disturbing details on a possible security breach of michael jackson's files. some nosy workers at the l.a. county coroner's office apparently snooping into the singer's records. the "l.a. times" reports jackson's death certificate got more than 300 views in just two weeks, could be more, and now police are looking into whether hackers may have tapped into city computers with more sensitive files. we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln. joining us once again, jim moret, chief correspondent, "inside edition." he's an attorney. also former cnn anchor. also with us, lisa bloom, legal analyst for cnn and an attorney as well. jim, we'll start with you here. what's the scope of this sneer 300 hits. how many people do we think looked at the death certificate? what we finding snout. >> according to the coroner's office-b a half dozen coroner's employees looked and then over

the course of two weeks it branched out because you could access the death certificate in particular from funeral homes, from county offices, and from state offices as well if you had a state-issued password. so you're talking about something that the coroner is calling an internal matter and does not violate any laws with respect to the death certificate, but it could result in disciplinary action. and death certificate was made public a short time later. this is distinct and different from medical records which would be protected under the law and it would be a violation of the law if people hacked in to -- >> let's clarify, jim. these 300 hits, just the death certificate. were any other files, any other information looked at, do we know? >> they're still investigating, frankly. the state is looking into this. the coroner's office has issued a statement to employees telling people do not do this. and it's not clear whether anyone's been disciplined or fired over this.

but it does bring up the issue i know with the farrah fawcett case and also with britney spears, when both of them were hospitalized. and clearly, hospital records are different. but it's a similar situation. you have a celebrity. you have some information people want and there's always the chance people might want to sell it. >> lisa, when you look at this, hit it on a couple of fronts here. first of all, punishment for just looking at the death certificate. >> well, probably no punishment because it doesn't seem to be a crime. it seems to be, as jim said, and he's absolutely right, an internal matter. these are employees who did have the right to take a look at it. they certainly didn't have the right to print it out, sell it, sell it to tabloids or anything like that, but so far we don't know whether that's happened. what this really highlights for me is the extraordinary level of interest in everything pertaining to michael jackson since his death. i mean, even the death certificate, which is really a dry legal document with text on it stating the time, manner, and place of death. i mean, it's not something that people ordinarily are so interested in seeing. but in this case even the death

certificate warranted an extraordinary level of scrutiny by members of the coroner's office and state and local employees. >> and lisa, if other more sensitive information was looked at, what kind of crime are we talking about there? >> well, absolutely. all of his medical records, which are being pored over now by law enforcement. law enforcement as we know has gone to his doctors and his nurses and they're looking at everything. that's private, confidential information. michael jackson was a worldwide superstar, but he was also a private individual who's entitled to have his medical records be kept confidential. but we have to trust really that every employee of the prosecutors and the law enforcement office that's are investigating this are going to keep all of that confidential and not sell it. i mean, that's a tight lid to try to keep on such an explosive sensational case. it will be interesting how it turns out if all of that gets leaked early. we're waiting for toxicology results right now, for example. >> darla in illinois. your comment or question? >> caller: my comment is how scrupulous can we be?

why would anybody be so intrigued to even want to know what's said about michael jackson's death certificate? i mean, i think it is really bad that this family has been so violated in every area possible. ever since his death. you know, understand that no matter what michael jackson and his family are people, just as anyone else. and they're private and they should be given the chance to mourn in peace, you know. they shouldn't be -- the things that are being said are just totally astronomical. i mean, all these accusations and speculations. just everything is really bad. and i think that he's just -- he's not had a chance to ever be a person any way. you know, and -- >> right. >> caller: -- to do the things that -- his wishes aren't granted. or nothing. i mean, it's just sad that people have lost the morals and the respect that they've done. >> well -- >> caller: and i really believe that something should be done

about it. >> darla, thanks for the phone call. very passionate there. jim, when we look at this case, and we've talked about it a lot. lisa as well. i mean, they're so -- there are so many questions. this isn't cut and dry. it's michael jackson, arguably the greatest entertainer of our time. he dies. we don't know how it happened. yes, i hear her on one front. but all this -- people want this information. that's why we're doing what we're doing. that's why we're talking about it now. >> and not only that. and it's really sad. but in many ways michael jackson has been humanized more since his death than he ever was in life. he's certainly evoking more empathy and sympathy given the pepsi commercial tape that was just revealed last week, and certainly with the memorial. but with respect to the doctors, this is an important thing for all of us because this is not a problem just among celebrities. prescription drug abuse is epidemic in this country. and if people are looking at it now because of michael jackson, then i think this is a good thing. >> no, i agree. and also our medical records.

we want our medical records private, kept private, no matter if it's a superstar or you and me. we'll take more of your phone calls, continue this conversation with lisa and jim. call in. 1-877-tell-hln's the number. we're going to hit on another topic, michael jackson's nurse, or one-time nurse. cherilyn lee turning in records she had on the king of pop. what does that mean?

fighting back against shocking allegations of sexual assault. there he is taking the podium a little bit earlier today, denying all charges, saying he is focused on football, the pittsburgh steelers, and he's

also saying he will be found innocent of what he called reckless charges. we'll take your calls on this story coming up in a little bit. you know the number. 1-877-tell-hln. you can also chime in on this story as we continue on. michael jackson, the latest into his death investigation. bring back jim moret, chief correspondent "inside edition." also with us, lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst. jim, real quick we're getting a few viewers wanting to know what is on a death certificate anyway? i believe one of you dubbed it a dry document. what could be on there of interest? >> it has his weight, which i think was listed as 110 pounds, and his age and -- i don't have it in front of me. i do remember -- you talk about the interest. i remember when it did become public and i printed it out, my kids wanted to see it. and i don't know why. but it's fascinating. but lisa, go over if you have it, please. pick up for me. >> i don't have it in front of me either but i can tell you a death certificate has the date, time, and manner of death.

it certainly doesn't have anything that would be ordinarily of interest to people -- >> nothing the tabloids -- >> michael jackson and death on the same document -- >> nothing the tabloids -- >> the one thing that was interesting about it was that it did indicate death -- the type of -- the cause was uncertain, or unknown at the time. and also it didn't have a final resting place. and obviously that sparked interest. where is he going to be buried and so forth. those were the two things i remember actually that jumped out at me. but other than, that yeah, it's a one-page document. it dunce have it doesn't have a lot of information on it. >> i mentioned before the break cherilyn lee, his one-time nurse, nutritionist. well, she's turned over her medical records on michael jackson to investigators. she shared on nancy grace last night. let's give that a listen. >> they really just wanted a hard copy of what i had already stated. and they said thank you very much for coming forward stating about the medication for us to look for because it was never known to look for that.

so they just wanted it in writing. >> all right, lisa. there's cherilyn lee again. she's the first person to come forward talking about diprivan and how michael jackson was practically begging her for the stuff. how valuable could she be in this investigation? >> she really could be the star witness in this case. and she's got a lot of courage to come forward and speak out. i'm sure that she's got recrimination from angry fans and things of that nature. but this is a woman who's got no dog in this fight, who comes forward to say that michael jackson asked her for a very powerful sedative, propofol. that's used as general anesthesia to knock people out for surgery. that's serious stuff. it's not supposed to be given for pain management or to help her sleep. she says jackson begged her for it and she refused to give it to him. if another medical professional gave it to him that person's in a lot of hot water and she's going to be star witness against that person. >> maya in new york joins us now. hi, maya. your thoughts here? >> caller: yes. i think that they shouldn't

reveal his medical history. and i also think that all the shows about michael's life and everything, i really think that they should just leave him alone because he has been going through this all through his life. and i really think that the man is gone so, we just need to let him rest. he's been going through this all his life so, we just need to let him rest. >> hey, michael -- excuse me, miya, you haven't watched any of the shows, the retrospective of michael jackson's life or his career? >> caller: yes, i have. i understand you want to remember him and stuff. but then just leave him alone. like i understand you're trying to keep us informed about what's going on and stuff like that, i understand. but like the other stuff about his life, they've been playing that for the last month. he's gone. so we just need to deal with it. >> right. let me get lisa bloom in on this. we heard jim kind of talked about the interest. just your take on this, lisa. we talk about the interest. and an insatiable lust for information for many on mike michael jackson. >> well, this is a newsworthy

story. this is the biggest stooup star in the world who died prematurely under suspicious circumstances with a doctor right there next to him, apparently took a period of time before the ambulance was called. this is something people are interested in. and a toxicology report is going to be made public. we are certainly going to report on it. and as jim says, there is a larger issue here of people who are addicted to prescription drugs, who may be getting medications from doctors they shouldn't be getting that are dangerous. so there's a real educational value as well here to learning about this social problem, which is epidemic. >> okay, guys. great conversation, as always. jim moret, lisa bloom, we'll talk soon. thanks, guys. coming up, it's going to shock you. work laws in rhode island do rngs i sa not, i said do not prohibit minors from working at strip clubs.

this is going to shock you. 16-year-old girls stripping on stage. and it's perfectly legal? rhode island? that's right. minors can dance naked in front of gawking old men as long as

they're off the pole by 11:30 on a school night. that's a nice caveat, huh? the law forbids teens under 16 from operating -- under 18 from operating a power saw, pumping gas, but lap dances at clubs where perverts can touch the merchandise no, problem there? how is that legal? call in with your thoughts, help us make some sense of this. 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about it, welcome back wendy murphy, former prosecutor who specializes in child abuse cases. also joining us by phone, rhode island state repeat tiff joanne jeanini. thank you for your time as well. why is there not a law on the books protecting these young girls? >> no state law in rhode island prohibits minors from working in adult entertainment. state law does say that anyone who employs a person under 18 for prostitution or any other lewd or indecent act faces up to 20 years in prison and up to a $20,000 fine. but in rhode island since we allow strip clubs, stripping is

not considered lewd or indecent behavior. >> so are you going to take some action? >> oh, yes. i'm filing legislation such that they have in massachusetts with a state law that would prohibit employers from hiring minors for live performances involving sexual conduct in adult entertainment. >> well, good. that can't happen fast enough. wendy, i still -- just to backtrack, i don't see how this is legal. even the terms obscene, indecent, lewd. a 16-year-old stripper for some old man, that's not lewd, inzmeechbt. >> i tell you, it is. >> joanne -- >> this is just the tip of the iceberg. there's also a loophole that we have no indoor prostitution law in rhode island which makes it a double whammy. because if these girls are doing that who's to say they cannot do prostitution indoors as well? >> you hit it on both doors, and that's frightening, joanne. wendy? >> yeah. >> we applaud your efforts, joanne. wendy, you're with me on that, applauding joanne's efforts.

but how's this happening? what's the back story on this? >> yeah, mike, sometimes it's almost just a terrible understatement to say weigh plaud your efforts because there are other things i'd like to say that would include much stronger language. how can rhode island be a place where in a sense you can go if you're a dirty old man who in a sense might enjoy child pornography and child rape, child sex abuse. you go to rhode island, you can have what you want with a 16-year-old girl anywhere in the state, including having sex with her behind closed doors because they do have legal prostitution if it's done in a private setting. you've got to be kidding me. what is it with the lawmakers in the state of rhode island? was this really a loophole, or is that something that reflects their values? if they don't pass this law quickly, then i think we have only one phrase to say to the parents there. hide the children and don't go to rhode island for visits. >> for four years i've been trying for an indoor prostitution bill. four years.

and now that this came into light because of a 16-year-old runaway from boston who was dancing in a providence strip joint. that's how we find -- >> can i ask you a question? >> let me point something out, wendy. >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> real quick on that, and joanne, correct me if i'm wrong, it was found out because she was with some 40-year-old against her will? >> right. who took her here from boston. right. and he was alleged pimp. >> brother. go ahead, wendy. >> you get in trouble in boston. you don't get in trouble in rhode island. why wouldn't that be exactly what he would do? but i have a question. because i know there's been an effort, and good for you, joanne, trying to push both the prostitution bill and better protections for kids in terms of these kind of strip joint jobs, quote unquote. >> right. >> who are the people stopping your legislation? because i know it's been stalled a couple times. give us the names. we want to help you get over them. >> well, we have the people here from the aclu. we have senators and representatives who are against it who feel that what people do

behind closed doors is their right. >> with children? with children? >> prostitutes have a right, some of them, to make a living. and i strongly think this is an outrage that we can't get the law passed. >> name the head of your senate. who's the head of your senate? >> chisa pilaweed. the bill passed the house and it stalled in the senate. >> that person is responsible for children being raped and abused. that person. >> this is an outrage. we're going to take a quick break. more with wendy and joanne. the three of us agree. call in. 1-877-tell-hln is the phone number. you look at this. a 16-year-old can't drive without a parent, can't buy pornography, but they can sell sex behind closed doors and be groped by some old man. call in.

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all right. pittsburgh steelers quarterback ben roethlisberger now speaking out for the first time about those stunning allegations about sexual assault. the super bowl-winning quarterback addressed the public, his fans, just a few hours ago. >> the false and vicious allegations are an attack on my family and on me. i would never, ever force myself on a woman. >> yesterday we found out about a civil lawsuit filed by a woman who worked at a casino hotel in lake tahoe. she claims the alleged sex al salt took place a year ago. now, roethlisberger says he just found out about the accusations on saturday. there was no criminal complaint, no criminal investigation. we know the question. crime coming up a year later, how legitimate is this? joining us, fred tecce, criminal defense attorney, also a former prosecutor. also with us on the phone from lake tahoe, dan majors, reporter "pittsburgh post-gazette." dan, you're on the ground there in lake tahoe. what are you finding out about

this? >> not much. they're very tight-lipped. i'm outside the harrah's, where the alleged incident took place on the 17th floor more than a year ago. >> darngs reiterate for us, what are the accusations here? he's in town, celebrity golf event, july of '08. and i'll stop and you can pick it up. he wants her to come fix his tv. she's an employee at harrah's tahoe, right? pick it up from there. >> in this woman's capacity with the hotel she took care of the vips. she actually was stationed on the 17th floor, where they were -- the celebrities were staying. he called out to her desk saying the television in his room wasn't working, according to her affidavit. and she had trouble get iting repair people up to the 17th floor. and he supposedly cajoled her into coming into the room to fix it. >> got you.

and the way she says it forced himself on her. we don't need to get into the details outside of that. let me get our attorney, fred tecce. fred, as you see this this, again, a lot of people say she waits a year, no criminal case no, criminal investigation. does that hurt her case a lot here? >> i think it does. when i first heard the story yesterday, she never went to the police, never filed a criminal complaint, this all kind of smacked of someone trying to make a quick buck. but i'll tell you something, mike, i read the complaint very carefully today. and she's made a lot of serious kind of detailed accusations. she sued all the harrah's employees. she claims she tried to call her boss when roethlisberger called her, that she went and talked to the head of security after this happened and she was afraid to go to the police. and she chronicles in detail kind of the physical effects of what has happened, which are very serious. i tell you, i started out as a non-believer. i'm not convinced yes, but as an attorney you're going to see a lot of things that could corroborate her story and make it more credible.

we'll see what happens. >> i think you're right, fred. we need to continue to look into this. dan, let's go back to you. what are we finding out? how many other defendants were there from -- because she acc e accused eight or nine other defendants for covering this up, right, dan? >> yes. and her attorney has told me that from her perspective when she went to her supervisors in her mind that was going to the authorities. she sthot that if anybody was going to the police it would be them. she thought she was doing the right thing from the hotel's perspective. >> is she still employed there, dan? >> i understand she is. >> she is. okay. any statement from harrah's? >> none at all. >> okay. let's get back to fred. you've read the complaint here. so when she talks about the cover-up, what kind of details are you getting out of that? >> she says she talked to the guy who was head of security, that the guy who was vice president, his boss, would brag about how he was a very close friend with roethlisberger and

she was -- it was made clear to her that she was to not do anything or say anything. in fact, she alleges that when roethlisberger called and said my tv's broken she actually called her boss. she was kind of led to believe and there were people involved in security, she alleges she told the chief of security and he basically made some kind of crude comment like you tell the guy who's vice president -- >> is she going to have to prove these accusations or can she -- >> oh, absolutely. and harrah's got their lawyer involved and is conducting a quote unquote internal investigation and they're not talking. it's all going to be her word against theirs. but she's going to have things to back her up. like her telephone records, the records for roethlisberger. there's going to be things that are going to corroborate her story. it's still a one on one, though, at the end of the day. >> exactly. go ahead, dan. >> i wanted to note that she did not in fact sue the hotel or casino, just eight of the employees. >> individuals there. any statement from the nfl, dan?

>> only that they are going to monitor this situation. >> right. like we are. we're monitoring the situation -- >> exactly. >> -- just like the nfl. fred fred, real quick, what's next here? where do we go from here? >> anybody with money can file a complaint. now they have to prove their case. roethlisberger will come in, he'll answer, he'll deny and they'll go through discovery in civil litigation. see what she's got. >> dan machblgz, "pittsburgh post gazette" reporting from tahoe. fred tecce also good to have you on board as well. coming up, a town manager says he was fired because his wife is a porn star. what do you think of that one? is that fair?

welcome back. porn and politics. can the two co-exist? let's go to fort myers beach, florida where the town manager's just got the ax after word that his wife is a porn star. and i guess the answer's no on that front. let's bring in our "prime news" correspondent richelle carey to walk us through this one. what do we have here, richelle? >> okay, mike. this started after a website published an article last week called "politician's porn star wife." well, the outing, if you will, prompted an emergency meeting by the town council. and the decision to fire scott jankes was made. >> our issue is the situation that the town was put in in

terms of how effective we can govern and whether or not this is going to serve as a distraction for that. and we felt like it would. >> the mayor goes on to acknowledge that janke never violated any rules, no laws and he had done a good job for the island town. but per janke's contract he can be fired without cause just as long as it's a majority vote. it was unanimous, 5-0. he does get a severance package, six months' pay plus health benefits. now janke's firing as town manager isn't exactly sitting well with some ft. myers beach residents. from what we've gathered sifting through local media reports, most say the termination wasn't necessary. >> they hired him. they interviewed him. they checked him out. they liked him. why should this make any difference? >> there you have it, mike. >> all right, richelle, thanks for setting the groundwork there

for us. we put a word out to the mayor, invited him on the show. the mayor declined. then at the last moment scott janke was going to pear with us and decided against it. we have with us mark eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, weighing in on this one. we love to hear your thoughts. 1-877-tell-hln. folks chiming in via e-mail and text. let's lay out a little more of the groundwork. then we'll get? other folks in on this one. here is the position of the town council, he won't be able to conduct business as effectively. it's going to be a distraction, take away from the message that ft. myers beach is family friendly. does all that add up? does all that even matter? because legally they can fire him for no reason at all, right? >> let's start there. they have the right because in his contract it's very clear he can be fired without cause, which is a fancy way of saying without any doggone reason. but here's the problem. i have yet to meet anyone who thinks this was justified. he shouldn't be judged based on the performance of his wife. he should be judged on his own

performance. i can't understand why they made this decision. i think it casts them in a bad light. now, i did some research, mike, because i'll do anything for this show. i then had to go to her website. she apparently doesn't believe that she's a porn star. she calls herself a priestess of the erotic arts. >> oh, really? >> and then i was forced to look at some of her videos. and don't question it, she's a porn star. >> thanks for the research. >> yeah. in no way should he be held accountable for what his wife did. but he's doing his job effectively. he didn't commit any offenses. there's no scandal. she's not doing the porn on their beaches. let him be. give him his job back. >> ann via facebook. i'll read this to you. when you're a political figure one has to be held to a higher degree of scrutiny. if one doesn't want their dirty laundry aired in public, stay oust one eye." so ann says he should go.

your thoughts p. >> what she's saying is you're held to a higher degree of scrutiny and a certain degree of -- a different level, if you would. and she's right. however, what does his wife's strong emotions, if you will, have anything to do with his effectively performing his job? apparently he was doing it well. there was no reason to fire him. >> it is a distraction, let's face it. if you're going to do business with ft. myers beach, you're going to walk in, oh, that's the guy with the porn star wife. that's going to happen. come on. >> no. the distraction was created by their decision. prior to them making this decision and bringing it to light, anyone doing business with that town would never have known, mike. now we know. now i've been forced to look at her website. this is horrible. >> you're reveling in that. you're reveling in that. hey, another -- joe chiming in via facebook as well. agreeing with you. "regardless of his job, the answer is no, his wife's job is not relevant to his position regardless of what it is." and you make a good point. and as we heard, as richelle

laid this out for us, the folks in fort myers beach sound like they're lining up behind scott janke, he was doing a good job. you're not seeing the kind of outrage to say he should go. >> no. and i think it's probably going to hurt the city certainly more than it's going to help. now there are numerous people, including myself, who would be hesitant to go to that town, erroneously thinking that the mindset is as closed-minded as these folks who came up with that decision. i don't know that i want to spend my money there. >> you think that outweighs the number of people that might not go because they don't think it's as family friendly because a porn star's in the midst? >> mike, i haven't met one person who feels like these councilmen do. show me one person and tell me, have them articulate to me intelligently, passionately, why somehow what she does for a living has anything to do with what he does? >> well, if we can get five council members they'd tell you. if we could get them on. the invitation's out there, obviously. mike, always good talk toug. >> take care, mike. >> and nice job on the research,

by the way. >> anytime. >> this story here, more on michael jackson's family. tmz now reporting one of michael jackson's sisters, not his mother, katherine, may raise the children. new reports on the family filing a wrongful death lawsuit. we don't even know definitively how he died yet. taking your calls on this. 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back. new reports just coming in on michael jackson's family. talking about his kids possibly planning bold legal moves behind closed doors. that's the family side of it. sources tell radar online the family's looking into filing a wrongful death lawsuit. and there also are new details about who may be stepping up too raise michael jackson's kids. we'll take your calls as always. 1-877-tell-hln. want to bring in now my

colleague, jane velez-mitchell host of "issues with jane velez-mitchell" coming up in about 12 minutes at the top of the hour. jane, let's talk about custody here. from what we know, anyway, michael jackson wanted hisz mom, katherine, to have custody, raise his kids. if not her, diana ross. what about others? what sisters could be front and center, first in line, to raise these three children? >> well, what we're hearing is that rebbie, the so-called quiet jackson, although she also sings, is perhaps the best choice and the one that could end up doing the actual mothering no matter who officially gets custody in the jackson clan. rebbie is basically somebody that they're saying has wonderful connections with the children. and we heard this same story about janet, but now we're hearing this story about rebbie. so again, who knows what's going on behind closed doors? what i think is fascinating is that katherine jackson, through her attorneys, has apparently gone to court saying i need

money to take care of these kids in the interim before all of the legal issues are worked out. and it's absolutely fascinating that she's saying, according to tmz, mrs. jackson was also financially dependent upon michael sxwranks that other than extremely modest social security benefits mrs. jackson has no independent means of support. i find that totally fascinating. >> what about joe jackson? i thought they were still married. >> what about joe jackson? >> right. that's a whole other show. >> he's got that new record label. let's not forget about that. >> rebbie's 59. she's been married 20 years, right? lives in vegas. that's kind of a thumbnail on her? >> she seems to be sort of the stable, quiet, normal one of the family. not to say there's just one normal one. but everyone seems to say she is the one who's sort of the salt of the earth, the mother. and she may get the mother lode. >> well put there, jane. and real quick on a -- nothing against the more mature among

us, the elderly, but if a court looks at this, would a court like to see a 59-year-old rather than a 79-year-old raising these kids? >> yeah, 79 is quite an advance kids. >> i mean the oldest boy is going to be heading into puberty. that's a huge responsibility. not to say she's not up for the challenge. she had a huge brood that she raised and michael jackson certainly became one of the most successful people on the planet, albeit controversial. i'm not saying katherine is not up for the challenge. it might be something they can consider. i don't know if they would consider some joint guardianship where katherine has the main title but rebbie and janet are involved. >> yeah. that makes sense. the wrongful death, tmz is reporting that the jackson family is working out a wrongful death lawsuit already. they don't even know how he died. >> i think it's premature. they did a secondautopsy.

they may have private information. i dare say they do. when we get the toxicology reports back, we mind understand where they're coming from. we know that authorities are honing in on reportedly five doctors, and one of them, certainly dr. conrad murray, and now we have reports from tmz that the coroner's investigators visited an anesthesiologist. that's three. we have the nurse that jackson asked for the diprivan and she said, no way, jose, i'm not giving it to you. who knows how wide this net is. >> yeah. the numbers are growing. how about her. she could be the star witness here. she was the first to talk about diprivan, propofol. really could help crack this thing wide open. jane, we'll be watching "issues" coming up. -d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-@