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breaking news tonight. the mystery surrounding the sudden death of music icon michael jackson intensifies. questions mounting as to his sudden death, his half a billion dollar empire and more important, custody of the star's three little children. after murder charges levelled in the death of jackson, his family publicly claiming he was murdered. bombshell tonight. just hours after the dea, lapd and houston police joined together in a surprise raid on
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jackson's live-in doctor on homicide, we learn jackson's family set to crack this investigation wide open by filing a wrongful death claim. but who, who is the target? who do they say murdered michael jackson? we now know exactly what police seized in the raid. in addition to computer hard drive images, scores of documents, charges aimed at jackson's live-in doctor, as the family is pointing fingers at the live-in doc, and as cops zero in on the doctor's fedex account. right. his fedex account. was he fedexing the deadly drugs to michael jackson? this after it's revealed police seized evidence from jackson's own bedroom to make a case of homicide. a bedside oxygen tank, a bag of liquid from an iv pole, and an in a stunning twist tonight, a security breach within the
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coroner's office regarding jackson's death certificate. has any other breach taken place regarding jackson's actual body? and is grandmother katherine jackson being manipulated into having her own son, superstar michael jackson, declared incompetent at the time he wrote the will? is she being played like a fiddle by father joe jackson? two autopsies reveal fresh needle marks and a deadly drug in jackson's system. all this as we uncover the secret location of his body, hidden miles away, protected by guards to stop would-be body snatchers. a high-tech security system monitoring the home with a secret video of jackson's final moments gone. also, a bag of drugs and iv poles, syringes, iv bags, gone. reports he wanted to be put under with an iv drip for days on end.
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lying there like a living corpse. and in direct contradiction to his last wishes, will his three children be handed over to someone else to raise? as vultures circle his dead body including corporate giant aeg, trying to sell video of his last rehearsal for $50 million, the fate of his three children, unknown. >> did anybody witness what happened? >> no, it was just the doctor, sir. the doctor is the only one here. >> new twists in the michael jackson investigation. police execute a surprise raid on the houston clinic that was run by the doctor, conrad murray, who was with jackson when he died. >> los angeles police and dea agents copied files from a computer hard drive for forensic analysis. they also seized 21 documents during the raid of his houston clinic.
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>> you don't pick a doctor and stick him in the room there and the doctor gives him something to make him rest and then he don't wake up no more. something is wrong there. >> murray's attorney says the search warrant seeking evidence of manslaughter came as a big surprise. >> here we have conrad murray's attorney admitting that there's a manslaughter investigation. we know that a los angeles judge has issued a search warrant. now, judges can only issue a search warrant where there's probable cause to believe a crime has been committed. in this case, manslaughter. and there's probable cause to believe that evidence of that crime is at dr. conrad murray's office. >> it is now clear there is a very real possibility that michael jackson's death could be ruled a homicide. and the doctor with him when he died seems to be front and center in this ongoing investigation. >> there's something else behind all of that. >> and tonight, breaking news in the case of a beautiful young mom and her two sons found dead in their two-story home,
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strangled each in their own bedrooms. manner of death, ligature strangulation. a glove discarded along i-55 minutes from the home, allegedly spattered with red spray paint, a possible link to a chilling message scrawled across the walls of the murder scene. mother of two sheri coleman found left naked face down in her own bed. husband/daddy former marine and preacher's son worked for joyce meyer ministry. shocking details emerge. not only were the home's walls spray painted with ominous messages, little gavin's bed spray painted with profanity with the 9-year-old lying there in the bed. tonight, we learn as his wife and children are laid to rest, as they are being lowered into the ground, husband/daddy chris coleman busily texting his
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girlfriend, his mistress. and tonight, the timeline revealed. >> law enforcement released more documents against alleged triple murderer chris coleman. >> chris, did you kill your wife? >> chris, did you do this? >> chris? >> the same day he attended his wife and son's wake, police say chris coleman was text messaging his girlfriend that he loved her and missed her. >> chris coleman had an affair with a woman who went to high school with sheri and was sherry's friend and that he carried on that affair through the time up to the murders. >> the alleged text messaging didn't stop there. the very next day, at his family's funeral, coleman allegedly texting his girlfriend he misses her and loved her. >> this affair had been going back to november '08, that he told her he would be divorced by june 14th of this year. >> search warrant also revealing coleman called his wife to check
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on her just one minute after a surveillance camera catches him leaving the house. >> he had to make a brutal -- it was like someone who didn't love them did it. >> an alleged e-mail threat against coleman also released. a threat police say ties chris coleman's own computer and wireless card reading in part, tell joyce meyer to stop preaching. i know joyce's schedule, so then i know chris' schedule. they will die. also, the search for a little washington girl scout who vanishes into thin air. tonight, where is 11-year-old lindsey baum? a 10-year-old girl vanishes blocks from her home. her mom says someone kidnapped her. >> where is lindsey baum? >> how did she just vanish without a trace? >> we just know that she was coming back from her friend's house and did not come home.
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>>. >> every passing hour, new worries that the friendly girl who would talk to anybody is in serious trouble. >> relentless search to find her, especially plane equipped with heat-sensing cameras scouring the woods. divers searching underwater. sniffer dogs covering the ground. >> we've activated a lot of search and rescue resources. we have 50 and 60 searchers from counties throughout western washington. >> police haven't found any evidence to explain her disappearance and her dad is getting desperate. >> he's in the national guard. he's with the unit in tennessee. >> please bring my daughter home. i'm fixing to deploy to iraq. i would love nothing more than to see my daughter before i have to go. good evening. i'm nancy grace. thank you for being with us. the mystery surrounding the sudden death of music superstar michael jackson intensifies. but first, i want to thank you so much for all of your
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calls and your e-mails about my book "11th victim" it comes out on august 11. you are the very first to see it right now. of course, after lucy, pictured here, who grabbed it first. yep. it's about a prosecutor who tries her best to give up criminal law and start a new life, but when her friends are murdered, one by one, the nypd hones in on her. it took me years to write this book. i started when i first left felony prosecution and i missed it so much. since then, i wrote another book and published it, launched this show with my producer, dane, got married, got pregnant, gave birth, nearly died, didn't, and finished the book. i hope you like it. part of my proceeds go to a charity, wesley glenn, who takes care of the mentally handicapped that need a loving home. you can find this book on our website. i really hope you like it. take a listen. >> the investigation into michael jackson's death -- >> he's pumping his chest but
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he's not responding to anything. >> robbery homicide detectives from los angeles, houston police, and federal drug agents raided the office of dr. conrad murray. >> there's video of the raid. they were armed with a search warrant. the question is what were they looking for? what did they take? >> during their 2 1/2-hour search, his lawyer says investigators seized a forensic image of a computer hard drive and 21 documents. >> this doctor, he ran away. what do you think? to me, that's foul play. >> his lawyer said investigators were authorized to "search for and seize items" including documents they believed constituted evidence of the offense of manslaughter. that's the first time the word manslaughter has been used by anyone closely connected to the case. >> it's looking more and more likely that criminal charges could be next. >> they're looking at this as a manslaughter.
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we have to assume that if a doctor, and if were conrad murray, prescribed the drug, he prescribed it in a reckless or grossly reckless manner knowing that it might cause the death of the patient. >> meanwhile, the coroner paid a visit to los angeles nutritionist cherylin lee who says jackson asked her for the powerful drug diprivan. >> i had a call last week. we have to issue you a subpoena. i said, i know. they really just wanted a hard copy of what i had already stated. >> i think it's foul play. that's what i'm thinking. >> out to tom o'neill, senior editor of "in touch weekly." we are taking your calls live. they're filing their own wrongful death claim. who do they say murdered michael jackson? >> well, nancy, take one guess. it was the person that the "l.a. times" said that they have plenty of powerful evidence administered this propofol to
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michael jackson, dr. conrad murray. even if -- we could end up with a situation a lot like the o.j. or the robert blake case where there's not criminal justice, but the victim's family pursue civil justice. >> out to the lines. sheila, ohio. hi, sheila. >> caller: hi, nancy. how are you? >> i'm good, dear. what is your question? >> caller: are we going to have a great big courtroom battle here over this body and where to bury it or what? what's going on? >> oh, there will be a battle. already the neighbors are mounting a huge battle to stop michael jackson from being buried there at neverland. out to natisha lance. what's the status? >> well, the status, nancy, is still michael jackson has not been buried yet. the family is still -- >> what is it now, 26 or 27 days since he's been dead? >> that's right. the family is still feuding over this.
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some want him to be buried at neverland, some want him to be buried at forest lawns.
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murray's lawyers release a bombshell, a statement confirming that a potential case of manslaughter is being built against the doctor who was with michael jackson when he died. the statement reads in part "the search warrant authorized law enforcement to search for and seize items including documents they believed constituted evidence of the offense of manslaughter." >> the lapd told us today that despite this raid, this is still a death investigation and not a criminal investigation. also, we checked with the da's office and we're told the case has still not been submitted for them to consider charges. >> according to murray's lawyers, agents took a forensic image of a business computer, hard drive, and 21 documents during the search.
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murray, who was being paid $150,000 a month to care for jackson, has been at the center of what, until now, has been simply characterized as a death investigation. murray's lawyers say they were surprised by the search, but they say they provided everything detectives have asked for. in another statement released this week, murray's lawyers said "based on dr. murray's minute-by-minute and item-by-item description of michael jackson's last days, he should not be a target of criminal charges. dr. murray was the last doctor standing when michael jackson died and it seems all the furry is directed towards him." >> the jackson family set to crack the investigation wide open by filing their own wrongful death case. we also learned that the focus of the surprise raid on the private doctor to michael jackson's office was to search for propofol, aka diprivan found only behind lock and key in
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operators rooms. out to mary margaret, senior news editor, radaronline. what can you tell me about them focusing on his fedex records? >> well, one of the issues with michael jackson is exactly how did he get these drugs? and what we do know is a lot of the drugs that he received were under aliases. even though dr. murray was at his side, we know that he did travel, do his different practices from las vegas to houston. one of the ways he received these drugs was to get them from outside sources, possibly even outside the country. some sources have told us. and have them fedexed to michael or himself. >> let's unleash the lawyers. we are taking your calls live. joining me from seattle, anne bremner. also with me, defense attorney and author of "death's witness" out of new york, paul batista. well, of course, if he had propofol, diprivan, he wouldn't be stashing it in his houston office, anne bremner. >> no. and the thing about it, i wonder what the detail-by-detail says about the diprivan.
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but the fact is i was hoping susan moss was on because i had a rhyme for her. the dea came today, they tried to take my stuff away, they searched and searched and searched again, oh, no, what's that? it's diprivan. so she's not on, so i'm doing this in honor of her. >> okay, ann. thank you for the inappropriate tribute. but can we go back to the tracking of fedexs? even though they could trace him sending fedexee back and forth to michael jackson, how could they prove at trial that vials of diprivan were in there? and also it seems as if jackson was being shot up in the neck. and it would be virtually impossible for him to self-administer in the neck. so how are they going to prove this? >> the fact of this, they're going to -- they've got witnessed there with the oxygen, ekg, everything else in the room. that's what they're going to try to do. his defense is that, nancy. how do they prove it? by the way, he was a drug addict. >> paul batista? >> well, they can -- they're going to have trouble proving
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the diprivan connection because -- because -- you know what, nancy? they're going to be able to prove this case through the lengthy statements that conrad murray has already given to the -- to the -- >> yeah, what a blabbermouth. wait a minute. you just said it's going to be difficult to prove he was fedexing diprivan. we are talking about the police raid that went down in the last 24 hours on jackson's private doctor, his live-in doctor, essentially, at his houston office. now, remember, jackson died near bel aire. paul batista, if they can find the diprivan chain, if they can find somebody sending vials of diprivan, which is used only in operating room settings, to conrad murray, we don't have to know what he had in those fedexs. >> well, that's right, nancy. but the receipts for the fedex won't necessarily disclose -- in fact, they won't disclose what the fedex packages contained. someone dealing in the black market in drugs is not going to identify what's in the bag. >> ian halperin, author of
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"unmasked: the final years of michael jackson" if this theory is correct, what do you think he was sending jackson in all of those fedexes? >> well, conrad murray is definitely guilty here. police won't raid his office for anything. my sources say he's going downtown, nancy. he's going to be in striped pajamas. this case is getting distasteful, skanky, and repelling. we need results soon, but the police, to all their credit, they're taking their time. they're making the doctor sweat right now. they're perspiring, nancy. there's 20 of them out there who are guilty of administering drugs to michael jackson in an illegal setting. >> of course, as of right now, there have been no criminal charges against any of these doctors under probe.
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dr. murray prescribed
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certain things to michael jackson as a doctor. he had medical conditions, medical complaints. >> michael jackson demanded that. >> he demanded. michael, we're spending too much money. he says, you don't understand. my body is the machine that fuels this whole business, okay? i need that kind of attention. and you know what? when michael jackson says that to you and there's this much at stake, you don't argue. >> there's nothing in his history, nothing that -- that dr. murray knew, that would lead him to believe that he would go into sudden cardiac arrest or respiratory failure. >> it's still a mystery how he died to dr. murray. >> straight out to special guest cherylin lee, the former nurse to michael jackson. her office visited by the coroner's officials yesterday. she willingly handed over her file on jackson and cooperated fully. miss lee, thank you for being with us. we're discovering that no propofol was found in the doctor's houston office, but are you surprised by that? >> no, i'm not. >> why? >> well, because when i was with
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michael from january to april, he wanted this diprivan. he was emphatic about wanting to have it. and in noticing his behavior, even when it came to simple things, even nutritional supplements, he always wanted to have a large quantity. he wanted a large quantity at his house. he said, you know, the way the economy is going and things are happening, i want a mixture that i have everything at my disposal. so i'm not surprised they didn't find it. >> according to sources, jackson's plastic surgeon said he received propofol every night through an iv drip and called it his milk. does that shock you in any way, miss lee? >> yes, it does. yes, it does. >> very disturbing. bethany marshall, weigh in. >> well, i think a good question
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would be what was causing all that excessive wakefulness? those kinds of drugs when they leave your system, they cause excessive wakefulness. when you're taking 30 pills a night, which he was, that kind of withdrawal can be deadly. so you don't just cover it up with diprivan. you treat it appropriately. the underlying medical condition was never addressed.
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breaking news in the case of chris coleman. he's accused of murdering his wife, sheri, and their two children, 11-year-old garrett and 9-year-old gavin. >> the latest ones tell us more about cell phone texting between chris coleman and his mistress. >> coleman taking the time to text message his lover that he misses her and loves her. >> columbia police chief joe edwards told the court coleman and his lover made plans to marry. >> sheri never complained about
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this. i don't even know if sheri knew. >> chris coleman -- cell phone records show -- >> chris coleman left home at 5:43 a.m. that first call to check on his wife, one minute later at 5:44. >> they erased their families. a few future in which that family had no place. it seems to have somehow taken the place of divorce. don't have to prove motive as a prosecutor, but, boy, does it help when you can explain to a jury from a common-sense perspective why the defendant committed this crime. >> out to jean casaras from "in session." please tell me i'm wrong. did he actually text message his mistress, the one who worked at the strip bar as a hostess? >> that's exactly what -- >> while -- >> yes. >> while his wife and two little boys, ages 9 and 11, were being lowered into the ground? >> we watched the video, nancy. the video that is at the scene.
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it's at the memorial, the cemetery. it's where the defendant in this case, chris coleman, is with his parents. legal documents are now saying that there was text messages on those days and also the day of the wake, may 7th and 8th, text messages to his girlfriend saying i miss you, i love you. that's what cell phone records are showing. >> and explain to me how they were traced. where was he at this time? >> well, he was close -- he was in illinois. he was close to where the murders happened. he was at home that morning. he was at the cemetery. she was in florida and was traced because ron ltd coleman, chris coleman's father, happened to tell authorities after the murders, you know, sheri coleman had a very close friend. her name is tara lints. >> didn't they use a card to trace his text messages? >> they used the card also, nancy, to trace a very
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threatening letter. we heard that chris coleman had gotten a very threatening letter in november of 2008 and we didn't know what the threatening letter said. we now not only know what the threatening letter said, but authorities are saying it came to chris coleman from chris coleman's computer through his card, which allows a wireless transmission. >> bethany marshall, dr. marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "deal breakers," we do know what the e-mail said. it came from his laptop. he might as well have taken out an ad on a billboard on 3rd avenue and said, "i did it." it's an e-mail to himself. tell your boss, joyce myers, to stop preaching the bs. this is about christ's gospel or chris' family will die. if i can't get joyce, i'll get someone close to her. if i can't get him, i will kill his wife and kids.
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i know their schedule. blah, blah, blah, blah. expletive, expletive. i will kill them in their sleep. he even writes the modus operandi, bethany. >> he's trying to stage it as if some sicko broke into the house. obviously he was planning this for a long, long time. remember, sociopathy is a disorder of attachment, meaning they don't attach to anyone around him. that's why he can send the text messages while the funeral is going on. >> with me, marc klaas. president and founder of klass kids foundation. weigh in, marc. >> well, you know, there's very little difference between coleman and scott peterson, michael peterson, mark hacking. these are individuals that have no conscience, they've got no criminal history and for some inexplicable reason, divorce is not an option for them. they feel the best way is to totally erase their family.
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it's a very disturbing trend in america these days. >> with me now, the attorney who filed a wrongful death suit on behalf of sherry's family, her first cousin and lawyer held in high esteem there in the chicago area, enrico mirabelli. enrico, thank you for being with us. what is the family's response as they now learn police have traced text messages to his florida mistress, aka, his wife's long-time friend while they were being buried? >> we think it says a lot about who chris coleman is. at this point, every revelation just -- it doesn't shock us anymore. we've been stunned since the day we heard about the murders. chris being arrested did not come as a surprise to our family members. >> with me from baltimore, dr. lee venocher from university of
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maryland school of medicine. doctor, thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> doctor, what would the wife and the little boys ages 9 and 11 have suffered by death of ligature strangulation there in their own beds? >> well, meaning that he used some sort of cord or rope or tie to put around their neck. usually people become unconscious within 15 to 20 seconds because it occludes the blood supply going to the brain. but if you pull it tight enough, you can actually cut through some of the skin or collapse the trachea and the hyoid bone. you can tell people struggle and it's not comfortable because sometimes you can see scratch marks on their neck from their own hand trying to get out of it. usually it is a struggle. but within 20 seconds, they're
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usually unconscious and then, you know, no blood supply to the brain for a minute or two minutes. that's probably it. >> in 20 seconds you're unconscious. i thought it took a couple of minutes. >> well, it depends on the strength of the person. for a small child, it could be that quickly. i mean, it's usually you see people strangling women and children. you knee a big dispartd between the two people. you don't see men strangling each other except in the spy movies. one person usually has to be stronger for manual or ligature because you have to be able to hold it tight. but if you cut off the blood supply that's completely going to the brain, people faint. there can be a reflex where the heart rate slows down enough. >> to nicole parten, investigative reporter on the story, i understand we've got more light shed on the timeline. was he actually calling to do a security check on his wife and family just one minute after he leaves the home? that's the story to police? >> yes. good evening, nancy. neighborhood surveillance actually is showing us him
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leaving his home at 5:43 in the morning and then calling inside the home at 5:44, 6:34, 6:42 and again at 6:53. now, we've got to remember he told authorities that he was calling to make sure his family was awake. but he's doing this one minute after he leaves the home. >> to tom shamshak, private investigator, instructor at b.u. tom, thank you for being with us. we see him being traced on his air card, sending these e-mails to himself. is there really any way, tom, to beat electronic transmissions? how can you send them and it not be traced? >> that's where he made a mistake, a serious mistake. you cannot erase and interfere with these electronic footprints. and i'm surprised that somebody of his background -- he's in security, that he didn't think about this. again, maybe dr. bethany marshall could talk about that kind of pathology with this
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individual. but, no, he cannot evade the footprint. it is there and it's solid evidence. >> but how can it be beat by going to one of these internet cafes or something? >> no, because they're going to go back to the internet provider. they'll go back to the address and it's easily tracked right back. but first, i want to thank you so much for all of your calls and your e-mails about my book "11th victim" it comes out on august 11. you are the very first to see it right now. of course, after lucy, pictured here, who grabbed it first. yep. it's about a prosecutor who tries her best to give up criminal law and start a new life, but when her friends are murdered, one by one, the nypd hones in on her. it took me years to write this book.
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i started when i first left felony prosecution and i missed it so much. since then, i wrote another book and published it, launched this show with my producer, dane, got married, got pregnant, gave birth, nearly died, didn't, and finished the book. i hope you like it. part of my proceeds go to a charity, wesley glenn, who takes care of the mentally handicapped that need a loving home. you can find this book on our website. i really hope you like it. ddd
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court records show chris coleman texted love messages to his mistress during the time you saw him here on fox 2, standing with his parents over the graves of his wife and kids. police say chris coleman texted on the day of the wake and the day of the funeral, saying i miss you and i love you. >> out to the lines. christine in georgia. hi, christine. >> caller: hi, nancy. how are you? >> i'm good, dear. what's your question? >> caller: well, i was wondering when were the -- the children last seen alive and well? >> good question. good question.
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to enrico mirabelli, first cousin of sheri coleman and an attorney there in the chicago area. when were they last seen by someone outside of the family alive? >> i can't answer that question. i think it was -- had to be the day or the night before the murders. but i can't say that specifically. i don't think anyone knows that right now. >> to jean casaras, what do we know? >> i don't think anything has said that, but when law enforcement arrived and found the bodies, rigor mortis had set in. they were cold, they were hard. sheri coleman's face was even purple. so that shows they had been dead for a while. >> to dr. venocher, how long would it take for rigor to set in? >> hours it can take, but it can also go away. it's not the best indicator really. you have to use a combination of things. rigor mortis, when the blood starts to pool to dependent areas and things like that.
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>> the temperature in the room, the conditions. >> right. some people, their jaw can get stiff within like 20 minutes to an hour. >> unleash the lawyers. anne bremner out of seattle and paul batista out of new york, what is your defense, anne bremner, for this guy who is texting his mistress as his wife and children are being buried? >> i'm hoping to wait for that defense, nancy. i mean, the more is explained, the less any of us can understand it. it's horrific. but there's got to be something so wrong with this guy. we've got to get an evaluation to see. he set this up in the most stupid way you could think of in terms of describing what would happen by the suspect. it's got to be an insanity or mental defense. >> paul batista? >> you know, nancy, he's insensitive, he's a difficult guy to deal with. but texting messages, telling somebody else you love them, does not make for a murder conviction. these things are aberrational
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behaviors, but they're not indicative of a murder. >> right. i want to see you stand up in front of a jury and say that. >> i'll do my best. >> bethany marshall, weigh in. >> he's not mentally ill. he has probably -- probably has a personality disorder. sobero pathic personalities, they don't have anxiety about getting into trouble, so they repeat their mistakes and they're very transparent. >> everyone, we are taking your calls live. but very quickly, i want to tell you about a missing girl scout. can you help us? take a listen. >> a girl is missing and her father is supposed to head off to iraq in the coming weeks. >> i'm scott baum. i'm lindsey's father. i'm here to appeal to everybody out there watching. please bring my daughter home. >> here's what detectives have to work with. 10-year-old lindsey baum was last seen walking home from a friend's house. she was supposed to walk about five blocks to get home. she never made it. >> so far, detectives haven't figured it out. the fbi hasn't figured it out.
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>> stopping every car. >> they want anybody who saw maybe something that didn't even look suspicious to them to contact law enforcement. >> despite a massive search effort in and around mccleary, there's no sign of the girl anywhere. >> for my daughter, i want her to know that i love her more than anything in the world and that i'm not giving up on her. >> following days of searches and interviews, investigators say the few leads they had have mostly dried up. lindsey's family is asking and hoping for help. >> if somebody does have her, i wish they would just drop her off somewhere where she can get to a pay phone and call 911 or call home. so that we can come and get her. >> the family now desperate as the leads are drying up to find this little 11-year-old girl, lindsey baum. her father set to be deployed back to iraq with his little girl still missing. out to our producer on the story, stacy newman.
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what is the latest? >> well, investigators have been recanvassing outlying areas of this town, trying to come up with any leads to find this 11-year-old girl who vanished into thin air. >> take me back, stacy. in a nutshell, how did she go missing? >> here's what happened. little 11-year-old lindsey baum headed to a friend's home for a usual play date. the friend's parents told lindsey, police return to your house because it was getting dark that night. lindsey walked home, a short six blocks. and then out of nowhere, at about 9:15, she simply seemed to vanish into thin air. for about an hour, lindsay's mom, a couple of friends, searched desperately for the little girl. her cell phone is still at home on the charger. no sign of the little girl. then she was reported missing. >> joining me right now, a very special guest, melissa baum, lindsey's mother.
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miss baum, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> yes, ma'am. what is the latest in the search for your little girl? >> right now, they're still just following up on tips. they still are getting tips in, from my understanding, and they're following up. but at this point, there's -- we don't know of anything new. nothing has come up new. >> miss baum, a neighbor saw her on her way home and can verify that she was, in fact, alive at that time on the way home. do you know this neighbor? are you sure they saw lindsey baum? >> i know of one. >> yes. >> and, yes, she -- she's actually someone i work with, so she knows lindsey quite well. >> and about what time was that, melissa? what time did the neighbor spot her. >> about 9:15.
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>> and out to ian cope, i was surprised. it was still daylight, wasn't it? >> yeah, 9:30 in the evening ou? >> yeah, 9:30 in the evening out here is still daylight in late june and it was still relatively bright outside at the time she went missing. >> so mark klaas. mark, what do you do when police say the leads are drying up? >> well, this is an extremely small community. it's off the beaten track. i think you go from the point that she was last seen and then you start checking with every neighbor between that point and the girl's home. and i believe that the answer to this particular situation probably lies somewhere within there. otherwise, if you're the mom, what you have to do is do everything that you can to keep this as high profile as you can, continue to work with the
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authorities to try to get the answer until you find the answer. >> everyone, take a look at 11-year-old girl scout lindsey baum. here's the tip line. there is a reward. 866-915-8299. $6,000 is being offered by national center for missing and exploited children and crime stoppers. please help us find her.
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coming up on "showbiz tonight," we have the biggest unsolved misthinks in michael jackson's death. including was his death man slaugter? and the other kate. at the top of the hour on "showbiz tonight." straight back out to stacey neumann on the case. why are they saying the leads are drying up? what do they mean by that? what have they done to find this little girl? >> well, officially the search was going on by land, air and water. this is a small community, hundreds were out searching for this girl and even these two
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people in the neighborhood said they saw this girl. but since then there's been no new developments in finding lindsey. >> the trail is going cold. please help us find this little girl, especially before her father has to be deployed to iraq. lisa in new jersey, hi. >> caller: hi, nancy. my question is, what type of, you know, the child's friends, what type of parents would allow an 11-year-old to walk home at night alone? >> it's my understanding they were about six blocks away, and it was still daylight, correct? >> yes, it was still daylight. it didn't get dark here that night until well after 10:00. >> i got to tell you, when we were walking home even from across the street, our parents would look out the window until we got home. did you know she would walk home
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by herself? >> the plan wasn't for her to be coming home by herself, and normally she always has her cell phone. she never goes anywhere without her cell phone. >> that tipline. let's stop and remember manuelruiz, killed iraq. favorite hero, superman. leaves behind parents, brothers josh and jacob. american hero. thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.
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>> i'm a.j. hammer in new york. this is a "showbiz tonight" news break. here is just some of what we're covering for you on "showbiz tonight" at the top of the hour. brand new bombshells in the michael jackson investigation. is michael jackson's death a manslaughter case? i've got the brand-new mounting evidence that his death was suspicious. plus, a month after his death, we've got the top five unsolved mysteries in jackson's death. a brand new jon and kate shocker. jon hanging out in the hamptons with a motley crew of stars. a new kate and lindsay lohan's dad? plus, we have the peephole shocker. the outrageous allegations that the espn reporter who was videotaped naked in her hotel room would bear the blame herself that. is outrageous. that's your "showbiz tonight" news break. tv's most provocative entertainment news show fires up
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