tv Nancy Grace HLN July 26, 2009 8:00pm-9:00pm EDT
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tonight, the mystery surrounding the sudden death of music icon michael jackson intensifies. questions mounting as to his sudden death, his $500 million empire, and more important, custody of the star's three little children. after murder charges leveled in the death of jackson, his family publicly claiming he was murdered. bombshell tonight. just hours ago, the dea, lapd, and houston police join forces in a surprise raid on jackson's live-in doctor. police searching for evidence of
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manslaughter, seizing numerous items, images off computer hard drives, scores of documents. charges aimed at jackson's live-in doctor by jackson's family who points the finger at the alleged doc, performing cpr at the time he died. and this as police seize items from jackson's bedroom, including a bedside oxygen tank, a bag of liquid from an i.v. pole, multiple tanks of oxygen from the bedroom and garage. at the same time, the raid goes down hours ago on jackson's private doc. is grandmother katherine jackson being manipulated into having her son, superstar michael jackson, declared incompetent? incompetent! at the time he wrote his will. is she being played like a fiddle by father, joe jackson?
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legal experts say incompetent is the only way the jacksons can finally get their mitts on jackson's $500 million empire. tonight we learn not one but two autopsies reveal fresh needle marks and the deadly drug propofol in jackson's system. and, yes, it was predicted women would come out of the woodwork claiming to be the biomom of jackson's children, but tonight has a bio son emerged? that's right, is there a fourth jackson offspring? all this as we uncover the secret location of jackson's body, hidden miles away, protected by armed guards to stop would-be body snatchers. surrounding neighbors tonight mount a battle to stop the jackson brothers' plan for a burial theme park at neverland. a high-tech security system allegedly monitoring every inch
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of the home with a secret video of jackson's final moments gone. also, a bag of drugs, an iv pole, syringes, i.v. bags gone. a second autopsy revealing fresh needle mark in jackson's neck, skin, paper white, body emaci e emaciated, reports he wanted to be put under with an i.v. drip for days on end, lying there like a living corpse as the vultures circle his dead body, including corporate giant aeg, trying to sell video of his last rehearsal for $50 million. the fate of his three children unknown. we have a personal doctor here with him, sir. >> you have a doctor there? >> breaking news for you on the michael jackson investigation. >> clearly, what you're seeing
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there is a full-scale search warrant being served on the offices in houston there of dr. murray. >> police searched the houston office of michael jackson's personal doctor, that is conrad murray. they served a warrant that, quote, authorized law enforcement to search for and seize items that they believe constitute evidence of the offense of manslaughter. this is from a statement from dr. murray's attorney. >> they had no idea this was happening. they say, throughout this investigation, they have been completely cooperating with authorities. >> murray has emerged as a central figure in the investigation into michael jackson's death. the doctor was with the singer when he collapsed and died at his los angeles home last month. >> something during this investigation prompted them to take this to another level. >> you want to know about foul play? if a doctor does that couldn't bring you back, this doctor, he ran away. they had to look for him three days to find him.
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so what do you think there? to me that's foul play. >> i've never seen my brother have any different abnormal behavior that would -- any substance that would cause that. so to say these things, i don't know. good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. the mystery surrounding the sudden death of music superstar michael jackson intensifies. >> you don't take a doctor and stick him in the room there and the doctor give him something to make him rest and then he don't wake up no more. something is wrong there. >> federal agents are searching a houston build in connection with the death of michael jackson and the search warrant uses the word "manslaughter." pictures there as investigators are searching the houston office of michael jackson's personal doctor, dr. conrad murray. the drug enforcement administration tells cnn it is assisting the lapd in executing a search warrant at that
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address. >> the dea helping out with a search warrant being executed on the offices, the clinics of dr. conrad murray, the doctor that was with michael jackson at the time of his death. he's been interviewed by investigators here in los angeles, but clearly they are going in, looking for more material. >> this doctor, somehow, i understand he left or went to sleep or something, i don't know what happened there. but something went wrong, because when they tried to bring michael back, he was dead. something went wrong. >> this spokesperson for dr. murray's attorneys, they say they are completely surprised by this. they say that they have been cooperating. in fact, they said anything that they want from us, we're more than willing to give them. saying that they're surprised that a search warrant was served. >> something happened there. it was just only drugs, there was something else behind all of that. i'm thinking that it's foul play. >> i'm not sure if mr. gordy, or
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whatever it is, but i was totally against that. i fought to get him at neverland, it's his work, it's his imagination, it's what he dreamt of and he had dreamed and he had imagined and he brought it to reality. and i just feel that's where he needs to be. >> in the last hours, the dea joins forces with the lapd and houston police in a surprise raid on michael jackson's live-in doctor. straight out to ted rowlands, joining us there in l.a. what happened, ted? >> reporter: well, nancy, 21 documents and a copy of the hard drive of a computer in dr. murray's clinic was taken out of that clinic, but the shocker here, when you talk to dr. murray's lawyers representative is that this was a complete surprise to them. they said they had open dialogue. they say they had a meeting scheduled and a third interview scheduled in l.a. on friday between murray and investigators. and this was a complete shock. and then that search warrant saying in it that they were
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looking for materials that would back up, basically, a possible, possible, case of manslaughter against murray. clearly, after all the back and forth, this is a death investigation, homicide investigation, it's a homicide investigation. >> ted rowlands, joining us from l.a., ted, in every search warrant, as you well know, there's got to be probable cause for police to swoop in and start searching. what was their probable cause? what did they lay out against this doctor? >> we don't have copy of the search warrant yet, and that is troubling in itself that that hasn't surfaced. it was probably filed under seal. we've been desperately trying to get a copy, like you say, to get more information as to the probable cause. but, clearly, there was probable cause during this investigation. something they came across, whether it was in the interviews with murray or some of the other evidence or other interviews with other doctors that led them to go to the clinic and get what they wanted. not ask for what they wanted, but go in there and get it and a judge said, yeah, you have the
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probable cause, go ahead. because it was signed off on, obviously. so a big difference here in this whole investigation between this cooperation level and now a search warrant. >> oh, yes. ted rowlands joining us from l.a. out to mike brooks, former fed with the fbi. mike, this is serious, because all this back and forth, it's not a homicide, it is a homicide, they go in in a surprise raid on this guy's office, the private doctor, the live-in doctor with michael jackson to raid him, go through his computer, take images of his hard drive. we know scores of documents were taken. what do you think, ted? >> well, no, nancy, i can tell you, for them to get that search warrant, some of our viewers may not realize what probable cause is. probable cause, any set of facts and circumstances that would lead a reasonable and prudent officer to believe a crime has been committed or is about to be committed. that's what they're looking for,
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something for manslaughter. >> out to ian drew, senior editor at "us weekly," what about it, ian? >> they were out there proving that michael was in great form. this is exactly a total mystery to us. meanwhile, they've been lying through their teeth. there were interventions planned, all kinds of things going on. they were not in as good shape as we thought. a lot of the different things that were going on with him at the time, in getting ready for this, jarring his system and the drugs and then the doctor running away after he died sort of plays into this murder mystery. and it's getting more and more real by the day, as we can see. >> joining us tonight, exclusively since subpoenas went out, nurse cherilyn lee, the former nurse to michael jackson. her office searched by the coroner today. thank you for being with us. i think i've got cherilyn lee with me. cherilyn, are you there? okay, liz, try to hook me up with her. in the meantime, let's unleash the lawyers. joining me, susan moss, new
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york, renee rockwell, atlanta, hugo rodriguez, joining me out of miami. let's go to the lines. donna in toronto. hi, donna. >> caller: hi. >> hi, dear, what's your question? >> caller: it's more of a comment. i really liked michael jackson and feel badly that he's gone, but at what point do we take responsibility for our own health? i mean, this doctor, he can be charged tomorrow, but there's 100 more to take his place. he had three children and now they're orphans. and he was really playing russian roulette with his life. ♪
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because what more do you have to do to make people realize, he's a human being. >> did anybody witness what happened? >> no, just the doctor, sir. the doctor's been the only one here. >> i have a lot of concern -- >> what are your concerns? >> i can't get into that, but i don't like what happened. >> there's nothing in his history, nothing that dr. murray knew, that would lead him to believe that he would go into sudden cardiac arrest or respiratory failure. >> his daughter said it all, my daddy, he was a human being, he was a person, he was a father, he was an uncle, he was a brother, with he was a son. and to leave him alone. he's the number one donor of a charity around the globe, giving just every cent from his tours, giving it to charity. so to paint him to be this person that he's not, it bothers me, it bothers my family, it bothers all of us.
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>> out to the lines, dee in texas. hi, dee. >> caller: hello, nancy. i just have a quick question. michael had had this drug before and had seen the doctor give it to him and it sounds like he already had an i.v. catheter in. could he have possibly done the i.v. tubing himself and given himself the legal dose. as the nurse had said, he knew when he saw the first drop, he would be able to sleep and and he wasn't afraid, because he had done it before. >> out to brian oxman, former jackson family attorney and host of "insight" on news radio klaa. what about it, brian? >> that is exactly what the police are investigating, nancy. you've got to much speculation, so many accusations being made here. you've got to listen to the police and you've got to watch their actions. their actions today say they mean business. and that there is big fire where
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there is smoke here. and the police are saying, through their actions, that they've got evidence, that they are acting on that evidence. it's going to be slow and meticulous, but watch out, they're doing their job. i give them an a plus. >> brian, that was not even remotely the question. >> you can't tell an answer to that. >> the question was suicide. and what the police did today has nothing to do with suicide. it has to do with manslaughter. >> that's correct. you cannot tell the last hours of michael jackson's business, nor should you speculate what they are. let the police do their job, because they're doing it very well. >> to dr. marty makary, joining us from johns hopkins. he's a physician and professor of public health there. dr. makary, physically speaking, i mean, i don't know the psyche of michael jackson at the time of his death, but physically speaking, would that have been possible to commit suicide in that manner? >> it would have to be a single, large dose of that propofol.
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nobody takes propofol like that, nancy. propofol is a slow drip over time that's used for nearby and the second it's turned off is the second you wake up. it's really inconceivable somebody would self-administer propofol. >> back to ted rowlands joining us from l.a. tell me again what they seized, ted, regarding the computer. >> reporter: they basically went in and copied a hard drive of one of the computers inside the clinic, and they also took 21 separate documents, aside from that. but on the hard drive, as you can imagine, there could be thousands of documents and the history, presumably, that they were looking for, dating back to who knows what. so the computer hard drive is most likely the key bit of evidence here. >> to nikita moody, joining us tonight, music editor with the ap. she's been covering this from the very beginning. nikita, what do you make of it? >> well, i think people have been focusing on conrad murray for a long time, and i think,
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obviously, they're going to look at him, because he was only person in the room. i think there's so much speculation and so much intense interest, the police have to do whatever they can to really find out exactly what's going on, because there's just so much intense interest from his family, from fans, people want to know, what exactly was his role. >> back to the lawyers. lenard leeds, susan moss, renee rockwell, hugo rodriguez. susan moss, the attorneys for jackson's live-in doctor keeps saying he's cooperating, he's having all these interviews with him, another one was set up. that is all b.s. the police have had it up to here with his cooperating and they raided him. >> absolutely. and it's not just this doctor. michael jackson had so many doctors, they should call them the jackson 12. there's a whole host of people who were giving prescriptions to this guy, prescriptions that probably were not warranted. the fact that this guy had diprivan in his house is outrageous. that should only be in a surgical setting. all of those doctors are going
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to go down, and some of them are going to go down for murder. >> and to you, natisha lance, on the story from the very beginning, what can you tell me about grandmother katherine jackson being manipulated into trying to declare michael jackson incompetent at the time he signed his will? >> well, katherine jackson filed a petition today, nancy, and in this petition, she is asking to assume that role as the administer. there's two executives already on the will, and what we're being told, the only way the will would be able to be found null and void is if michael jackson was found to be incompetent when he signed his name on that will back in 2002. >> lenard leeds, how likely is it -- they're mounting a battle of incompetence, trying to claim he was out of it, crazy at the time he signed his will. how hard is that to do? >> it's virtually impossible, to go back seven years and say that he was incompetent at that time and when we look at the will, it seems reasonable. he left his estate to his kids and to his mother. what's wrong with that?
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breaking news into the investigation in the death of michael jackson. just hours ago, federal drug agents raided the office of dr. conrad murray. >> the powerful sedative diprivan, now found in michael jackson's home. >> this powerful drug is used in operating rooms to knock out patients. >> dr. murray was michael jackson's personal doctor and was with him when he died. >> there's indications that these drugs may have been administered by another party, via injection, then this very much could be a homicide investigation. >> dr. murray's lawyers say
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detectives are looking for evidence of manslaughter. >> as you may already know, after my tour ended, i remain out of the country undergoing treatment for a dependency on pain medication. >> if that powerful anesthetic was the cause of death, then anyone who issued that anesthetic to michael jackson and was not physically there to administer it committed gross negligence and should be held accountable. >> "the sun" newspaper in london said it interviewed tito jackson, michael jackson's older brother, and in speaking about murray, the paper said tito said, quote, my opinion is that he panicked when my brother didn't wake up. i think the doctor probably figures there could be trouble. he tried to revive michael. i think if he immediately called for help, michael still might be here today. >> it's murder. i think someone did it. that's my opinion. >> i'm not sure he's, mr. gordy's script or whatever it
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is, but i was totally against that. i fought to get him at neverland. it's his work. it's his imagination. it's what he dreamt of and he had dreams and he imagined and he brought it to reality. and i just feel that's where he needs to be. >> we are taking your calls live. out to sharon in florida. hi, sharon. >> hi, nancy, how are you? >> i'm good, dear, what's your question? >> well, last week you said on several, several occasions that the doctor came at night and left first thing in the morning. why did he just happen to be there at lunch time? >> excellent question. what do you know about it, natisha lance? >> what we're being told, nancy, is that dr. murray would be on call for michael jackson at any time. he could come at night, could come in the morning, but whenever michael jackson needed him is when he would be at the home. >> now, natisha, where we got a lot of that information is when his personal chef was describing all of the oxygen tanks he saw coming in and out of the home and he, as i recall, was the one
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that detailed how this doctor would come, conrad murray would come in the evening and leave in the morning. but, basically, he could come whenever, correct? >> that's correct. >> i want to go back to a special guest joining us tonight, exclusively. cherilyn lee, the former nurse to michael jackson. today, her office visited and searched by the corner's. files taken. so, miss lee, they wanted what you offered, which was basically jackson's entire medical file that you had? >> yes. but they -- it didn't quite happen like that, because the call they received was they were going to -- they actually sent me an e-mail with a subpoena and told me i could just fax over -- >> right, i heard that. and it was too much to fax. >> yeah. so i told them that they could pick it up. >> i understood that from before. what is in the medical file that
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would be relevant to michael jackson's death? >> they really just wanted a hard copy of what i had already stated. they said, thank you very much for coming forward, stating about the medication for us to look for, because it was never known to look for that. so they just wanted it in writing. and they just had to follow legal, you know, protocol for obtaining a medical file. >> out to the lawyers, lenard leeds, renee rockwell, susan moss, hugo rodriguez. they have stated very clearly that she is not a suspect, renee rockwell, but when you are the subject of a surprise raid -- i'm not talking about the nurse, i'm talking about the private live-in doctor -- you've got problems. his lawyers keep going on tv saying, everything's fine, we're cooperating, we are having interviews. interviews?! this is a raid. >> yeah, nancy, i disagree with anybody that has said this is merely an investigation.
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to me, it was always a murder investigation. the doctor has involved himself and had dialogue with the police, but this was definitely a surprise attack and i imagine it was in light of the fact that perhaps more material could have been destroyed. >> hugo rodriguez? >> i think i've got to agree. they wanted to surprise him before anything was destroyed to see what was there. obviously, we know that michael had this anesthetic medicine in him, but i've read reports that he traveled previously with anesthesiologists that would take him up and bring him down. we don't know exactly what happened, but they want to find out who administered what, what doses, and if it was the proper thing to do. this is going to be a battle of medical experts. >> joining me right now, psychologist, dr. caryn stark. joining us out of new york, caryn, great to see you again. caryn, two things, number one, a doctor. i can imagine this physical image, hovering over jackson, putting an i.v. in him, making
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him sleep overnight on an operating room sedative. why? doctors can make a very, very fat living off just being a doctor. why do something like that? >> i feel like it's the celebrity, nancy. it has to do with wanting to be around a person like that, and it's so powerful that people begin to do things that they wouldn't ordinarily do. very hard to resist when a celebrity is asking you to do something like that. >> and caryn stark, we are hearing reports that grandmother, katherine jackson, now 79 years old, the legal guardian of his three children pursuant to his will is being manipulated, being challenged to challenge jackson's competency at the time he wrote the will. in other words, say he didn't know what he was doing. and we all know that a few weeks before his death, they were all out celebrating an anniversary at jackson's favorite indian food restaurant. so how can those two things fit together? >> and if you didn't know what
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he was doing, nancy, then he named his mother to have custody of his children. so then that doesn't make any sense either. she doesn't seem like that kind of person, but my guess is that she's getting a lot of pressure, because of financial gain. and that perhaps her husband is behind it. because it doesn't make any sense. >> and we all know, reports that aeg is now trying to sell the last video of jackson's rehearsal for about $60 million. the family getting the lion's share of that. 40% of that under the will would go to katherine jackson, 40% to the children, and 20% to charity. i want to go back to natisha lance. natisha, we predicted that women would crawl out of the woodwork claiming they are the bio mom of the three children. now an alleged bio son has crawled out of woodwork. what's that about? >> yes. this person's name is omar baty and he's 25 years old. allegedly, he was at the memorial for michael jackson. his mother is named peaya baty.
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apparently, according to reports, they lived at neverland for a certain period of time and not only is she the mother of this child, but she allegedly is also the mother of michael jackson's youngest child, blanket. like you said, nancy, people are crawling out of the wood wok and i guess you have to question the sources, is this about a legitimate -- >> hold tishanatisha, look at te screen. we're showing the jackson family at the jackson memorial. there's a red arrow on the left of screen, reportedly pointing at this young man. >> right. we haven't been able to confirm it, but you have to question the sources and you have to wonder, is this a legitimate claim, or is this just because this is michael jackson and there's a lot of money at stake here. >> this guy, now 25 years old, claiming -- alleging claiming he's the bio son of michael jackson is up there on the front row with the family. is that what i just saw? >> that's allegedly what you just saw. >> what we think we saw. >> correct. >> this is what i don't get. lenard leeds, you're the expert in wills and estates.
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why would he wait until jackson's dead to try to make a claim? >> i think he just thought of it. nobody thought that jackson would die like that. who knows? i mean, he would have to have some kind of blood test to prove that he's the son and maybe when jackson was alive, he never came forward. >> okay. marty makary, tell me, can you do a paternity test post-autopsy? >> sure, you can. the dna is still there. >> how? >> you take a sample. there's an analysis that takes about four or five days. they run the sample, get a map of your dna, and try to match it to whoever they're looking at. >> okay. quick break, everybody, we're taking your calls. but now tonight's safety tip. every year, hundreds dies from a silent killer in their own homes, carbon monoxide. here are the tips to protect you and your family. detecters outside all of your bedrooms.
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of l.a. detectives, houston patrolmen, and dea agents entered the clinic with a search warrant. they spent about 2 1/2 hours inside, going through dr. conrad murray's medical records. >> a source involved with the investigation told us numerous bottles of prescription medication had been found in jackson's $100,000 a month rented mansion. >> if a doctor irresponsibly gave michael jackson diprivan, and that's the primary cause of death, how is that not murder? >> murray's attorney says they were looking for evidence of manslaughter, the first confirmation that l.a. police may be pursuing criminal charges in michael jackson's death. but the warrant is sealed, so there's no way to know specifically what was listed in it. dr. conrad murray was with michael jackson when he died, but murray's only one of several doctors who treated jackson. l.a. police won't say if any search warrants have been issued for any of the other physicians. >> michael jackson had a very good relationship with all of his doctors. michael jackson was controlling everything. remember, he put a physician on
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his payroll for this concert. so, evidently, he was the one who was telling him what he need. >> i've never seen my brother have any different, abnormal behavior that would -- any substance that would cause that. so to say these things, i don't know. i've never seen it, so i would say, no. >> back to ted rowlands, joining us there in l.a. ted, explain to me how the raid went down. what time, what happened, who was there, did they let them in, did they have to bust the door down? what exactly went down? >> reporter: well, they didn't have to bust the door down by any stretch of the imagination. >> good to know. >> reporter: took about 2 1/2 hours. what's that? >> good to know. >> reporter: yeah, very good to know, cooperation still taking place. about 2 1/2 hours it took them, not a lot of time, they obviously knew what they were looking for and they brought with them some folks with the dea that are experts in this field that could help them, basically, target their search, so lapd had a lot of help with
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people who were familiar with clinics and pharmacy-type atmospheres, looking for records. they got that hard drive, the copy of the hard drive and 21 documents and then they were out. so 2 1/2 hours, didn't seem like too big a deal, but look at the video, they sure did bring a lot of agents. >> was the doctor there when the raid went down? >> reporter: no, apparently not, according to the lawyers, he was not there when the raid went down. and again, they said that it was a completely surprise. >> do we have any ideas that the claims by jackson's family that this doctor went missing, was hiding for about three days after michael jackson's death? >> reporter: totally false. basically, what happened was, initially after michael jackson died, murray was at the hospital, talked to investigators for a short period of time. then he left, and at that point, he retained council. this council out of houston. they came to los angeles to help facilitate the communication between murray and detectives before he went to talk to
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detectives, he wanted a lawyer. that's simply what it was. there was a time delay there, and it really got blown out of proportion. >> back to dr. marty makary, professor of health at johns hopkins. dr. makary, what are they looking for on his hard drive? i mean, if, if he were illegally getting his hands on diprivan, propofol, what you give people before they go into surgery, to knock people out for hours on end, days on end, why would he have that in a record on his computer? >> because it would take a lot to get diprivan. it may need to be ordered from overseas, may need to come from a distributor, or may need to be acquired from an accomplice at a hospital in a supply room. right now, the problem with this case is that they've got nothing that directly connects this doctor with michael jackson's death, for the exception of the fact he was doing cpr when the medics arrived. >> let me ask you this, dr. makary. how long would propofol, aka diprivan, stay in the system?
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would it show up in an autopsy? >> yes, it would. it would show up in autopsy and toxicology. >> okay. so if the doctor is there and they've got fresh track marks in his neck, i doubt he shot himself up himself in the neck, and he's full of diprivan, that's pretty powerful evidence, wouldn't you say? >> they could always make a case that someone else administered, service self-administered, a nurse administered, so there's going to need to be some hard evidence to make a connection for manslaughter. >> out to ian drew, senior editor with "us weekly." i understand that debbie rowe is still in the fight for control of not only his money, but custody of his three children? >> she is. there's been several false reports disseminated. and i have since found out that that is by people close to the faction side of things. the jackson family, saying that she wants to settle for money. she doesn't want custody of the kids. she doesn't even want to see them. i have spokes to sources very close to debbie rowe. as you know, i've interviewed her many times over the years, i
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know her, and they assure me that she is still after custody, 100%. >> out to nicole in missouri. hi, nicole. >> caller: hi, nancy, i love your show. >> thank you. >> caller: i just wanted to ask, and i think the previous speaker just answered it, if this is available only in a hospital setting, the sedative, how could the doctor get ahold of it? and i was thinking inside help from a hospital. >> how does that work, dr. makary? how could they with an accomplice in the hospital? >> these are locked up in a hospital, not even i as a doctor can have easy access to this in a hospital. somebody has to get it from a locked, secured area, and that's how it would have to be supplied. >> to christy in montana. hi, christy. >> caller: hi, nancy. >> hi, dear, what's your question? >> caller: they never questioned the paternity of any of the children while he was living. why would the paternity come into question at his death? i mean, he was obviously a good father during the time he was living. why would they question who's the father now?
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>> over money would be the only reason i could think of. lenard leeds, a lot of people want that allegedly $500 million empire. and if they had to cut out the three children by claiming they were claiming they were neither adopted nor biological, i imagine someone would do it or try to do it. >> i think it's so far removed. i mean, that's not even reasonable at this point. he's the father and the birth certificate. that's just an impossible challenge. >> we'll be right back. taking your calls. happy birthday to one of our stars, makeup superstar denitra. happy birthday. and happy 85th if you're a fan of the show, dorothy, mother of ten. grandmother to 30, great grandmother to 24. and one great, great happy birthday, dorothy. and tonight, 59 years ago, about this time, very special people set off to the ride of a lifetime. 59 years. still together.
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>> did anyone witness what happened? >> just the doctor, sir. the doctor is the only one here. >> new twist in the michael jackson situation. the police execute a surprise raid on the houston clinic run by the doctor, conrad murray, who was with jackson when he died. the los angeles police and d.a. agents copied files from the hard drive. they seized 21 documents in the raid of a houston clinic. >> you don't take a doctor and stick him in the room there and the doctor give him something to make him rest and then you don't wake up no more. something is wrong there. >> the search warrant seeking
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evidence with manslaughter is a big surprise. >> conrad murray's attorney admitting there's an ongoing manslaughter investigation and we know that a los angeles judge has issued a search warrant. judges can issue a search warrant where there's probable cause to believe a crime has been committed, in this case, manslaughter, and there's probable cause to believe that evidence of that crime is at dr. conrad murray's office. >> i say i beat him -- the beatings started in the slavery days. >> a lot of people spank their kids. they say they don't, they're lying. they're lying. michael was never beaten by me. >> come on, joe jackson. even michael jackson's cousin came on the show the other night trying to defend you and had to admit you beat him with a strap, okay? so, what do we think you did to your own son? that was joe jackson trying to claim he never laid a hand on michael jackson.
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to "us weekly." what do you make of reports of "e!" that diprivan has been found in both autopsies including the autopsy requested by the jackson family. >> that's true. i knew about this drug, demerol. none of this is new or surprising. >> mike brooks, wrap it up. >> lapd, houston, they're on the case. they're going to find out. they're going to find out the cause and manner of death. it will be manslaughter, homicide, or accidental overdose. >> dr. karen star, what do you think will be the final outcome with the children? right now apparently they don't even understand their father is dead. >> they're going to wind up with their grandmother and this will always affect them. there's going to be a big hole in their heart.
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>> marine sergeant todd seaver 34 killed in iraq. highly decorated. also served in afghanistan. awarded the purple heart cam bought medal. loved collecting world war ii memorabilia and landscaping. leaves behind parents thomas and dorothy, brother thomas, sisters denise and diana. widow, dorothy. 9-year-old daughter, alicia. 6-year-old son, nicholas. american hero. thanks to our guests and a special good night from a group of young crime fighters from the junior d.a. program, fulton county, atlanta. aren't they beautiful? won't you all grow up and go to law school and become prosecutors. i'll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.
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