tv Nancy Grace HLN July 28, 2009 8:00pm-9:00pm EDT
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we begin tonight with breaking news as we go to air, the dea, lapd and las vegas police swarming the home and office of michael jackson's private doctor. investigators executing search warrants for evidence. the raids come on the heels of sources confirming police believe michael jackson's doctor, conrad murray, gave him a powerful drug that may have killed jackson. tonight, our investigators closing in on jackson's private doctor and will criminal charges be next. >> dramatic turn in the
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investigation of michael jackson's death. at the center of this story, jackson's personal physician, dr. conrad murray. tonight for the first time, he is being directly connected to the drugs that may have killed michael jackson. >> he said that i want an iv of diprivan. you don't want to do this, michael. don't do this. >> we know murray was in jackson's house and on the scene when the 911 call was made. >> the doctor's been the only one here. >> the drug is known by the name, diprivan, also propofol. we're told jackson's doctor gave it to him within 24 hours of his death. >> the inclination is to make him a scapegoat. >> and also tonight, live to d
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idaho and the search for a little 8-year-old boy who vanishes without a trace. the fbi has joined the search for the 8-year-old boy, robert -- >> conducted large area searches. we did interviews and we followed all the leads that we got. we drained the pond. we checked over 50 leads that have come in since he disappeared. >> so far, all efforts have turned up nothing. >> after a full day of searching around the apartment, authorities changed the approach, sending crews to back alleys and yards. >> we'd like you to go in your yards, if you have abandon
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vehicles, refrigerators, small hiding spaces. any place where a 50-pound, 8-year-old boy would be. >> he says it's not like his son just disappeared. >> if somebody's seen him, please, please call the police. we want our little boy back. >> i'm jean casarez of the legal network, in session. breaking news as we go to air. more raids go down, more search warrants executed. all connected to michael jackson's private doctor. >> a source tells cnn that dr. conrad murray gave jackson the drug propofol within 24 hours of his death. >> it's a very potent sedative. >> he's not breathing, sir. >> and not conscious either. >> he's not. >> murray is not a suspect, but the legal experts say that may
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change if propofol is found in jackson's system. the combination may have been the thing that did him in. murray's lawyer released a statement saying quote, everyone needs to take a breath and wait for these long-delayed toxicology results. i have no doubt they want to make a case, for goodness sakes. it's michael jackson. >> last week, warrants executes in houston. today, las vegas. let's go to ted rolen. what is happening, ted. >> reporter: just within the last five minutes, an investigator with the los angeles police department said that we're finished here at the clinic and do not plan on coming back tomorrow. there's still some security here as they wrap up their search. they were here for almost eight
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hours. the other warrant was at murray's house. dr. murray was at that house when they showed up. in fact, he walked out and invited the inves gators in. they say they're completely cooperating. in fact they say today they cooperated at the house, where murray was helping them find items. that only lasted about three hours and all they took was one computer hard drive and some cell phones. this search here took as i say earlier, almost eight hours. obviously, they were meticulously looking through the records. >> this was a long time for eight hours. what did you see because the search warrant records are sealed. what have you seen out there? >> reporter: i was at both locations. the three hours at the house,
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then here for the last four hours. basically, the same thing. a group of about a dozen or so agents, a mixture of people, the dea and support staff with a metro police here in las vegas. they know what they're looking for so there wasn't a lot of in and out. it was a document search and they came out with small items that they were able to carry and just put into the car as they left. they didn't have to load and unload which typically, sometimes you'll go to some homes that are being searched and it's a constant back and forth. they came out with just a few documents that they were able to obviously find. >> interesting. do we know if dr. murray was expecting this to happen? >> reporter: his attorneys didn't tell us, but he was out there and he met with the agents and quite frankly, this one was
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not kept as much of a secret as the houston one. we had received some information to that it might be happening and so outside murray's house, there was a helicopter starting at 7:30 this morning. if he didn't know, he knew something was going on. like i said, he was there when they arrived and he invited them in. >> let's go to the callers. sue in new york. good evening, sue. >> caller: these bottles of diprivan and propofol, don't they have a lot number on them where the dea officers could trace where that lot of diprivan went to and then connect the doctor who was affiliated with that? >> good question. let's go to dr. darr, board certified anesthesiologist. what about it, doctor, is there a lot number on these bottles? >> yes, each bottle has a lot
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and serial number, but it is difficult to trace which wholesalers have the particular number. that's going to be hard to trace. >> what about if you get it from overseas? is there still that lot number? >> yes. there should be a lot number whether it's the brand name or generic name. but again, it's going to be even harder. it's hard enough to trace in the united states. >> dr. darr, you are a board certified anesthesiologist and i remember when you showed us how to administer this. first of all, where do you place the needle when you are about to administer a drug such as diprivan? >> anywhere you can find a vein.
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>> even in the network? >> absolutely. >> and what do you monitor? what are you looking for? >> okay, before you start administering, you have to attach a patient to heart monitors and oxygen monitors, then you administer is diprivan. you have to keep watching the heart rate, the blood pressure, the oxygen level. constantly. you cannot step out of the room giving a patient diprivan. the end result will be the patient is dead. these are the kinds of bottles that diprivan comes in. it's always drawn up in a sir ring and you can inject it in a bag like this. or you can spike one of the bottles with iv tubing. the sophisticated why is through a pump which regulates the rate and dose second by second, based
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on surgery. or, you can hand control it. now, i would imagine that in michael jackson's home, there was probably not a pump available. if you open this up wide and this pours in, patients stop breathing. you have to have a trained person there who is stepping in, controlling breathing, the rate heart and blood pressure and the trained exactly in waking up the patient. >> back to ted rowlands, huge search today. you said it last night on the air, that more searches were going to be executed this week. do we know when a judge signed off on this search warrant and do we know if and when it will become unsealed? >> reporter: we don't know when the judge signed off on it, but in houston, i think it was a day after they were finished with
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it. they returned the warrant and it was unsealed. but we're trying to actually find it, which judge approved the search warrant. we haven't been able to yet here in las vegas, but we expect it will be the same scenario. we'll get more answers in the next day or two, particulars, what they actually found. >> let's go to the lawyers, susan out of new york, ray out of atlanta. mickey sherman. susan, you did not, murray did not have to consent to this search today. >> absolutely. but the search would have gone on because there was a search warrant and apparently, what happens in vegas doesn't stay in vegas and that makes perfect sense because it's time for the authorities to find out what the medical records not only for michael jackson, but for any ail he was using.
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gave jackson propofol within 24 hours of his death. >> what you're talking about here is a possible murder two charge. you knowingly did something that caused a greater risk of harm to your patient. >> if in fact this drug, propofol, killed michael jackson, and if dr. murray administered it, that still dunl mean that he will be charged with any crime, much less convicted because we have to know under what circumstances, for what reason he gave the drug. it is not an illegal drug. >> he said they're not comments on quote, rumors. they say the doctor never gave jackson anything that would kill him. the final report is expected as early as this week. >> i'm jean casarez in for nancy grace tonight. we have breaking news out of las vegas, nevada today. two search warrants executed for
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the home and office of dr. conrad murray. we can confirm the dea, los angeles police department, let's go straight out to ted rowlands who's standing by outside the clinic. what have you seen since we last spoke? >> reporter: we're just seeing a last stragglers, just trying to get tidbits out of them. they're not saying anything. this police car was the last one standing here. it took eight hours of searching here and the reason because this is a medical office. you're talking about medical records and the dea had to go in there and not look at any other records, not take any other records. they had to look for the specific items spelled out in the warrant which they were authorized to search for. someone mentioned earlier, one of the key things in this
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warrant according to his attorney, they were looking for michael jackson terrible or alias material, meaning that they had probable cause, that mr. murray was using these, that could be a significant part of this investigation. >> and chernoff, the attorney for dr. murray made a statement today, search warrant authorized investigators to look for medical records relating to michael jackson and his reported aliases. ray, why would the defense attorney for dr. conrad murray come out and talk about what they were authorized to search for when the search warrant is sealed now? >> i think he's doing some very smart, up front damage control. that lawyer knows the theory of causation has got to be proved by the prosecution. michael jackson could have enough diprivan in his body to
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put a horse to sleep, but if that is not the legal cause of death, there is no charge against this doctor or anybody else. >> but if you're looking at the crime of manslaughter, a physician being in a home, having control of diprivan, a physician allegedly administering diprivan, having it be there toxicology tests the cause of death, what are they looking for today? >> to see if anything was phoniphon phonied up. a light year between being a bad doctor, an abusive doctor and someone who's committing murder. this is not a slam dunk, well if he gave him the drug, he's going to be convicted of manslaughter. there's a long, long way between those two events. >> susan, your thoughts? >> think of it this way. if this doctor gave this very
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dangerous drug to michael jackson and if that drug killed him, well, that might be your intent for even murder one. >> all right. linda in texas. you were what we were talking about last week. how are you? good evening. >> caller: hi. thank you for taking my call. i have a question about the day that michael died. i was wondering why, when he died, why the home wasn't yellow taped or investigators weren't, detectives came out because when my neighbor died next door, before they even released the body, they had four detectives over there. >> let's go to melanie, west coast bureau chief of "us weekly." can you confirm that it was not? >> yes, initially, when it first happened, the ambulance got to the house and took him off to the hospital, and it wasn't until he got there that we know
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anything was wrong. i think it took a while for the authorities to go in and start looking what exactly had happened there. >> all right. are you nancy grace's number one fan? send us an e-mail or ireport tells us why and you could win a copy of her new novel and the trip to new york city to meet nancy herself. go to cnn.com/nancygrace and submit your number one fan e-mail or i-report. we'll be right back.
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a source close to michael jackson's family with knowledge of the investigation tells cnn that jackson's personal physician administered the powerful drug that investigators believe killed him. it's known as diprivan or propofol. it was given to him within 24 hours of his death. the lawyer has never commented on that drug. all the lawyer has told us was quote, dr. conrad murray did not prescribe or administer anything
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that should have killed michael jackson. >> while search warrants were being executed in las vegas today, searches lasting up to eight hours in las vegas, friends of michael jackson are still mourning the loss. it was a little more than a month ago that he passed away. we want to go out to a very special guest now. dick gregory out of washington, d.c. a personal friend of michael jackson. in 2005, you were with him and actually took him to a hospital at one point, correct? >> yes. that's right. that was the last week of the trial and when i got a call from joe and a message from his mother that i needed to come out and just take a look at him because they were worried about his demeanor. when i get there, i go to the trial. from there, we go back to
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neverland and he asked me to come upstairs and he grabbed me and said, please don't leave me. he said they're trying to kill me. i said, when is the last time you ate, he said, they'll kill me. i have a friend who has a huge -- in l.a. i said if you can bring this machine down, michael's agreed to get on it. they clamp you and they squeeze you and it will print out everything in your body. the only thing it printed out was that he was extremely dehydrated. so the next day after we left court, i said, we need to take you to a hospital. he said, no, no, they'll kill me. i said let's go up to san francisco to a hospital that didn't know we're coming.
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he agreed to that. then i said look, 20 miles away from here, let's go to one of these hospitals. we went to a hospital and they examined him and at 5:30 or a little bit before 6:00, they start putting liquid in him. at 6:00 the next morning, they were still putting water in him. the doctor said to me, had he waited six more hours, he would have been dead. the next day at the trial, everybody thought how good he looked. i just thought he was pair nod from the standpoint. @@@@@@@@@@@@
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dr. murray was one of the last people to see michael jackson alive. >> a source with knowledge of the investigation tells cnn murray gave jackson the anesthetic, propofol, within 24 hours of his death. >> it is a sedative, tricky to use, can be extraordinarily dangerous, leading to death. >> this is an extremely dangerous drug normally administered only in a hospital setting with ventilation equipment available in case
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something goes wrong. >> how can this kill you? >> shuts down the brain. puts you into a coma or causing an arrest of the heart. >> michael jackson asked for this, begged for this. wanted this. said, i'm going to be fine. >> in 2009, he asked me for the drug and he went in detail to say it was one drop hitting my vein in the iv, i go to sleep right away. >> i'm jean casarez of a legal network in for nancy grace tonight. big developments today in the death of michael jackson. four search warrants have been executed in regard to dr. conrad murray, the personal physician of michael jackson. this time today in las vegas, nevada. let's go to kelly zinc.
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the searches today at the office and home of the doctor, they were basically at the same time, right? >> correct. right after another and the search at the office was much longer. they were medical records they had to search through. the one at the house lasted about three hours, but they were back-to-back. >> let's go to ted rowlands. ted, you said that originally you were at the home of dr. murray, then moved to the clinic. did both searches start about the same time? >> reporter: they started within minutes of each other. as we said, the home was clear, they were looking for computer hard drive, made a copy, then took his cell phone and left. this was much more meticulous because the medical records and dea very well trained in this. it's time consuming anyway. you have to go through certain fire walls and also other
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patient records and find what you're looking for and pull it out. >> let's go to ron, a former nypd deputy inspector. when searches are issued at the same time in the same city, why does law enforcement do it that way? >> they want to make sure the evidence is collected in a timely manner and there's no tampering with the evidence. once you go to one place, someone would then try to go to the other place. >> and ted reported today that you didn't see bags of evidence coming out of the office and clinic and the home. what are they actually going through and what are they actually looking for? >> in today's world, they want to get personal computers and laptops. they want to find e-mail files, records, wire transfers.
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>> all right. let's go to a caller. >> caller: with the children being in the home and all this chaotic activity going on, what are the suspicions of the children of their father? >> good question. to melanie, do we know anything about the children ob serving anything? >> if michael was taking as many drugs as we suspect and sources are telling us, those children could be quite badly affected by their father's behavior. we know that prince michael was there and witnessed some of this, and you know, i'm sure that it would have been odd to them if they're father was being put to sleep by diprivan, that they're father was
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unreresponsive at night. >> to psychologist glass, we do not know if the children saw anything, but being in a situation like this where things are occurring, can it affect children psychologically? >> absolutely. they could be traumatized by this whole event. not only the fact that mike died, but just traumatized from witnessing this. >> i want to go to belinda in nevada. what part do you live in? >> caller: reno. my question is i know early on, shortly after mr. jackson passed, they were two stories floating about what happened. one including him up and around packing for the tour and him collapsing in front of his son.
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the other story, that dr. murray found him already unconscious in his bedroom. have authorities reconciled which story they think is accurate? >> let's go to ted. what come to my mind when i hear that question is the 911 call. >> reporter: it appears though it was just dr. murray, michael jackson and then the security guard in the immediate area. that would leave more to the second story here provided by dr. murray through his interview with lapd, saying he went to check on michael jackson and that's when he saw him not breathing. no mention of anybody else. >> which brings to my mind, the board certified doctor and author, who can administer
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anesthes anesthesia? can a physicians' assistant? >> absolutely not. the only person is a trained anesthesia provider. three years after medical school or nurse anesthetist. there is no possibility that a cardiologist or general internist is trained in providiprovide ing propofol to a patient. they don't know the dosage or how to wake the patient up. >> well, how do you wake a patient up when they're undergoing this? >> basically, you have to know how the diprivan wears off, when to turn it off in relation to
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the surgery and their breathing. people stop breathing, but the anesthesiologist knows how to step in and control it during surgery. that's what they're trained to do. >> do you need other units like an ekg unit when you're undergoing this? >> yes, absolutely. under all circumstances, patients have to be hooked up to ekg, heart rate monitors, oxygen monitors, heart rate monitors. you can get changes in your heart rate, drops in your oxygen levels. small doses will do it and large doses absolutely, will stop breathing. >> let's say a patient is taking diprivan at home. a physician administering it. they die. but then it is found the last few months, the last year, other
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physicians have been prescribing diprivan. can multiple doctors be found guilty or just the ones closest to the time of death. >> anesthesiologists do not make house calls. there's no reason to be getting anesthesia if you're not having surgery or a medical procedure. it is not a cure for insomnia. second of all, if he were taking diprivan over a course of time, there are studies that show it can be found in the hair. >> that would be interesting when the toxicology u results come out. we'd like to wish irine tidwell a happy birthday. she loves to garden and never misses a show. on behalf of nancy, happy
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birthday, irene. >> i want to thank you so much for all of your calls and e-mails about my book. it comes out on august 11th. you are the very first to see it right now, of course after lucy, pictured here, to grab it first. it's about a prosecutor who tries her best to give up criminal law, but when her friends are murdered one by one, the police hone in on her. it took me year to write this book. got married, got pregnant, gave birth, nearly died, didn't and finished the book. i hope you like it. part of my proceeds go to a charity, wesley glenn, who takes care of the mentally handicap
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singer's side in the first place? the two met in las vegas in 2006, when he treated one of jacks jackson's children on a recommendation of a jackson bodygua bodyguard. he became his personal physician in may and explained the lead to current patients as a quote, once in a lifetime opportunity. an opportunity with a salary of $150,000 a month, plus travel, hotel and expenses. >> dr. murray was not a doctor first. he was a friend first. >> conrad murray is 56. he operates clinics in nevada and texas. until signing on with jackson, most of his time was spent in las vegas. since his famous client's death, he has not spoken publicly, except through his lawyer. everyone is waiting to see what he has to say.
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>> i'm jean. dr. conrad murray of michael jackson, a nurse in california was watching it all. she actually said no to michael jackson several months ago when he allegedly asked her for diprivan. we want to welcome once again, cherilyn lee. you were the former nurse to michael jackson. you voluntarily gave up your case file on michael jackson i believe last week. coroners, investigators came. you have an interesting story to tell about some chatting with them. >> when i arrived to meet with the person from the coroner's office, i just didn't really feel that comfortable and we were talking and he said, you know, michael jackson is you know, he's an addict. i said, you know, i don't think so. basically, to myself i'm
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thinking, you're really only here for charges, not to voice your opinion. there are things you don't know. when this case is over, i'll come back and share it with you. i was taken back for a person in his position to make comments that way. >> to ray, it's comments like that that can end up in a trial and the witness is called by the defense, not the prosecution. >> that's right. about bias, there's somebody writing a book on the side, i mean, i just didn't understand why everybody wants to voice an opinion about mr. jackson's death until that toxicology report comes back. i think it's irresponsible and cooler heads need to prevail and step back from accusations. >> you are looking at video from tmz.com of dr. murray outside his las vegas home. that's one day before the police
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raid of today. to mickey, one reason i'm asking these experts so many questions, and i'm asking objectively, i'm looking for wrecklessness, not a criminal intent to commit a crime, but an intent to do an act. that's all involved in manslaughter, right? >> yeah, but you know, the guy the still a doctor. it's going to take a lot more than the presence of those drugs and a lot of second guessing. soon may be by other experts and a jury, but bottom line, this man was hired not to kill jackson, but keep him alive. it was the company putting on the concerts and tour. >> that's right. and he was going to have the time of his life going to london with michael jackson as his personal physician.
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tonight, we're going to take you to idaho and we want you to help us find a little boy that's gone missing. listen. >> hundreds of people are searching for an 8-year-old boy in idaho. where is robert manuel? >> we need to be able to place that timeline together and bring robert home. >> this is the most important investigation we have had in a long time. >> we're here to convey a message of hope. >> we were told he's just a really little guy that enjoys hiding. >> paulie is one of hundreds of volunteering joining forces today to find 8-year-old robert manuel. together, they have one mission. >> help us bring robert home. >> from the chief's office on dunn, this is the highest
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priority. >> if you've seen him, call the police and help us to bring him home. >> let's go to boise, idaho. natalie hurst with us. give us the basic facts and where are we now? >> still, no sign of robert anywhere. people are still looking, not giving up hope. it is another glorious night here in the treasure valley where temperatures remain above 90 degrees, so the lows are not that bad. hovering around 65 to 67 degrees so you remain hopeful that he has wandered off and is okay. still, no sign. he's been missing since friday. wandered off around 10:00, 11:00. >> where was he at 10:00 or 11:00 p.m. >> well, here's the deal. boise police say that like a typical 8-year-old, he was very
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inquisitive, loves to explore. he told his mom, hey, i want to go to a birthday party, it's friday night. his mom said no. somewhere between when mom said no, robert took off. whether went out the door and then managed to just go miles from here or just a half mile, that's what's under question now. >> quickly -- >> reporter: where did he go? >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> reporter: i just was going to say, you know, where he did go from there? that's the big question. little boy, 8-year-old, wants to go a birthday party. from there, in one knows. >> to greg hahn, reporter iowa statesman, they looked into registered sex offenders in the area? >> they have interviewed about 100 they said this morning. we had seen 75 who lived really within about a mile of the area. it's a fairly urban, dense area. it's not surprising there were a lot of lex stered sex offenders. >> in the idaho area, robert manuel, find this beautiful -year-old boy. on the search for nancy
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this investigation continues to go in many different directions. because of the very nature of police investigations, right now, we're not prepared to discuss the leads the investigators are taking. but we remain hopeful at this time we're going to find robert. >> john mccain of the jean ka rez res for the legal network, in session. can you describe for us what little robert was wearing, the last time he was seen? >> sure, we got a new description of him. he was last wearing a faded blue tv shirt and like a typical 8-year-old, get this, he was wearing a spider man design,
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blue jeans and dark tennis shoes. >> that's a very good description. we want to show everybody, we have a map of registered sex offenders in the area. to marc class, an amber alert could not happen in this case because the requirements were not met. your thoughts on that? >> my thoughts were simple, jean. the amber alert requirements should be guidelines. they shouldn't be chiseled in stone. we're seeing time after time, cases where amber alerts should be activated. one of the criteria seems to not be met. they're not activated. what we need to do with amber alerts in that country is put the process in the hands of the local authorities, the authorities we're willing to give guns to protect us but not willing to bring amber alerts to bring little children home. if we were to do that, we would not create cry wolf scenarios
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but recover many more children more quickly than now. tonight, let us stop to remember 46-year-old army command sergeant major marilyn gabbard from polk city, iowa. in a first tour in iraq, served 27 years in the national guard and led their affairs team in baghdad. she was a role model, she became the first woman promoted to command sergeant major in the iowa national guard. she had a smile that brightened the room. she loved helping others and she took pride in training fellow soldiers. she leaves behind her mother, mary, two brothers, one sister, a widower, edward. seven children. two grandchildren. marilyn gabbard, an american hero. thank you so much to call of our guests, to you at home for being with us. we'll see you tomorrow night. until then, good night, everybody.
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coming up next on issues, dramatic development in the michael jackson manslaughter investigation as authorities conduct their second raid as in many weeks. this time raiding the las vegas home of dr. conrad murray as well as his office. last week, you remember they raided his houston off and self-storage unit there. here in las vegas, dr. murray was home. he was not arrested and they say that he cooperated. he claims he actually assisted the investigators. what are they looking for? have they not found it yet? it's more than a month since michael jackson's tragic death. why a raid now? we're going to have the very latest on that hogan divorce. it has been extraordinarily ugly, but now they're kissing and making up? what? all coming up on "issues."
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