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it's your chance to be heard. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com first, stunning new developments in the michael jackson death case. as the net appears to be tightening around dr. conrad murray. he's in deep financial trouble, we're learning. court documents show a whopping $435,000 in judgments and liens. this before michael jackson hired him as a personal doctor. this just in, jackson's mom, katherine, fighting for control of the singer's estate. is she kept in the dark about her son's fortune? we're learning the full autopsy report with the toxicology tests. delayed another week. lots to tackle today. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. we have our experts standing by. joining us again, melanie bromley with "us weekly." a criminal defense attorney. i want to go to randi kaye from our sister network cnn. randi, you had an interview,

just an eye opening interview with a fire captain talking about what paramedics went through as they tried to save michael jackson's life? >> reporter: i did. i spoke with the captain at the l.a. fire department, he told me when the paramedics on the scene michael jackson was not breathing and he had no pulse. the way he put it, and i'm quoting here, he said he was in dire need of help. we know the 911 call came in at 12:22 p.m. on that yoofr noon of june 25th. the call i'm told by this fire captain last 32 seconds. it then took the paramedics 3 minutes and 17 seconds to get to michael jackson's house. there were four paramedics in all. and that mr. jackson as he put it got what he called the hall lu yeah package. they worked on him for 42 minutes, mike, at the house. they usually do something called scoop and run where they pick up and transport right away. but they didn't do that in this case, i'm told, because dr.

conrad murray, his personal physician, who's really under the microscope in this investigation, was calling the shots at the scene. he decided that whatever condition michael jackson was at the time, that treatment should take place at the house. it was treatment prescribed at the scene as they put it. this is part of his golden hour as he said. which is all the time that the paramedics have to really jump-start the blood pressure and get that heart moving again. so they stayed there for 42 minutes. it was about a two-mile drive to ucla emergency room. he said that drive took just over four minutes. that's where he was pronounced dead. >> a couple things to clear up there. a doctor, dr. murray, he has the right to make that kind of a call, paramedics don't immediately take charge in a case like that? >> from what i understand, this is coming from the fire captain who i spoke with, he said the paramedics on the scene will talk to their base, back at -- wherever that might be, back at the fire department who responded to this, and if there is a doctor on the scene, which

there was in this case, they determine who has the highest medical authority. they then asked him do you want to take charge. he has the right to say yes or no. he said yes. he said there is a bit of a collect decision-making going on here but it was really dr. murray who had the authority to make the call. >> did they go as far as to say michael jackson was dead when they arrived? >> i asked him that. he would not say that. he said a patient can go without oxygen, and this is key, without oxygen for four to six minutes before they suffer severe brain damage. and then just after that, around the six-minute range, death will set in. i asked him, is that what happened with michael jackson even though they were trying to get his heart started again for those 42 minutes? he wouldn't go as far as to say he was dead, but he said based on what paramedics saw on the scene, they tried every technique known in the field. obviously it didn't work. >> obviously, randi, we don't fault them for trying. but if there's a 32-second call

and another 3:17 before they get there -- >> we don't know how long he might have been down. how long he might not have been breathing in all that time before he was even discovered in his bedroom. so who knows how much time had passed by the time the paramedics arrived and started working on him. >> how much conversation has there been? i know you've done extensive reporting on this. with, you know, when was michael jackson -- when could he have been in that, quote unquote, dire need? could it have been a couple hours before that? do we know definitively? >> we know dr. conrad murray said the last time he saw him was that morning. there are reports out today, we have yet to confirm them independently, but there are reports out today he didn't come down for his usual breakfast. nobody saw him that morning. so it's really unclear when he might have gone into cardiac arrest that day. >> okay. randi kaye, reporting on this, she's been on it since day one. hope to talk to you again soon.

as always, thanks for your insight. when we come back, randi touched on something. in "us weekly" report, a personal chef who was there the day michael jackson died gives an account of what was seen. we'll talk about that. we'll also talk about dr. murray a little bit more. it appears the doctor was in financial trouble when he was hired by the king of pop. the number, 1-877-tell-hln.

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this, do you know how many more people he probably gave this stuff to that just haven't died yet? it's got to stop. >> barbara, thanks for the phone call. we learned yesterday, a couple days ago, the source close to the investigation saying that it was dr. murray that gave propofol, diprivan to michael jackson just hours before his death. i want to welcome back our panel. and when we talk about dr. murray, and money, we know he was getting $150,000 a month. he was in some financial trouble. i want to bring in melanie bromley. melanie, how much money did dr. murray owe? what kind of financial trouble are we talking about here? >> we're talking about big financial trouble. he had $435,000 in judgments against him. which is unpaid bills, child support payments. this man owed a lot of money. he had also previously filed for bankruptcy. he was somebody that obviously had some problems with money. so the offer of being paid $150,000 a month to work for

michael jackson was appealing to him. >> let's bring in tamara, or attorney. with that said, do investigators look at that, a guy who is in financial trouble, who's given a large sum of money? is he less likely to say no to a michael jackson? do all those factors play in here? >> you know, this goes to his character and the kind of man that he is. but i don't think that investigators really need this information. of course, they have it. but look, he was the last guy with michael jackson. he was administering propofol when he wasn't an anesthesiologist. they have enough. so this is all just digging up bones and finding out that this is not a good guy. not a doctor that you want in your house. but, you know, it helps with the case. for sure. >> we also found out, tamara, the toxicology report, the full report we're not going to see now until next week. >> right. >> what's the inner workings going on between medical examiners, prosecutors? are they all -- are they letting them know what we're seeing here? and do the prosecutors know what's going on here as they

piece things together? >> well, you know, i'm not privy to what the prosecutors know for sure, but i would say as a criminal defense attorney that that's what's going on. they know what killed michael jackson. they have those results. they are just working with everybody. they're building a case. so they're remaining as tight-lipped as possible. and then they will just drop the bottom on this guy. >> we want to bring back melanie bromley. randi kaye touched on it there in the last segment, a story of michael jackson's chef, ki chase. what is the account from ki chase on the day of michael jackson's death? >> it's really extraordinary, actually. we're hearing really what was going on inside the house. and what the chef talked about was that dr. murray would come down every morning with oxygen tanks. he would also come down and get the breakfast for michael. on this this particular morning he didn't come down with the oxygen tanks or come down for

the breakfast. so she knew something was wrong. she then went into detail, describing the panic that really took place inside the house, when dr. murray found michael and how he ran down, cried out for the children. and she gave a very kind of upsetting account about how the children were praying for their father as the paramedics ran upstairs and tried to save his life. >> there was full panic in the house, and everyone knew that this is life-and-death situation? no one was in the dark about what was going on it sounds like? >> absolutely. it sounds like everyone knew. it sounds like the children were absolutely there. and absolutely aware of what was going on. which is obviously incredibly upsetting for them. it's something that's going to take them an exceptionally long time to deal with. >> one last thing, melanie, did the chef talk about michael jackson's physical condition? and did kai chase believe michael jackson was ready for a tour? >> she talked about how he likes healthy food, like organic food.

as far as whether he was ready for a tour, i mean, lots of sources have said really he wasn't. obviously this is a man who was experiencing such severe insomnia, that he was taking diprivan, like this kind of gives us an indication that this isn't somebody that was ready to go on a 50-date tour. >> guys, we're going to have to leave it there. we'll have more on this coming up in the michael jackson case, coming up in the 6:00 hour. you want to stick around for that. also this. update for you on the casey anthony case. her mom, cindy anthony, we're led to believe underwent four hours of questioning by state attorneys. what was said?

welcome back. new momentum in the case against kanlt. the mother accused of killing her own daughter last summer, 2-year-old little caylee. her little body wasn't found

until december about a mile from the anthony home. former prosecutors interrogated cindy anthony. the way we understand it, four hours of questioning. we imagine that the grandfather, george, her uncle, lee, they may be next. we'll take your calls on this, 1-877-tell-hln. joining me now to talk about this, natisha lance, the producer of the "nancy grace" show. natisha, tell us what do we know about cindy? was it questioning just yesterday, yesterday and day? >> cindy anthony questioned four hours yesterday. they had more questions for her. so she came back again today. more questioning for her. george anthony reportedly was supposed to be questioned today, but because they wanted to spend more time with cindy, she was in the hot seat once again. lee anthony's attorney, he's going to be questioned tomorrow morning and reportedly george anthony will be back there next week for more questioning. >> lee tomorrow, george next week.

do we have any idea, natisha, what's being said? what are the questions? what she's saying? anything at all? >> we have no idea what's being said at this point. this is not a public record. this is the state's depositions that are going on. however, they could be made available at some time in the future. through the discovery process. and actually, we're going to be getting more discovery tomorrow, about 1,500 pages of new documents in this case. >> things heating up. let's bring in pam bondi. tell us what's going on. who's in that room? state attorneys, cindy anthony, her attorney brad conway, jose baez? >> jose baez will certainly be in there. the prosecutors will be in there, and a court reporter. that's it. whether or not they allowed brad conway in the room is going to be interesting, whether they think she could say something to incriminate herself. they may have allowed him in the room. anyway, what natisha said is correct, depositions in florida taken by the state are not

public record. it is doubtful they would become a public record. but hot seat was the right term used for her. she got grilled, i'll bet, by prosecutors. i'll bet it was pretty fun for the prosecutors, because she has varied in her statements, we know, since she has given her civil deposition. >> jose baez is in there listening and taking notes? >> absolutely. he can come back and also ask questions. prosecutors have a tremendous advantage now, because they also have john morgan's civil deposition from the zenaida gonz lez case. they have the original statements that were incriminating to her daughter. yet in the civil deposition, she started straying. he wouldn't even admitted that her daughter had taken money from her. she said that kids are untruthful all the time. she really started minimizing casey anthony's actions. so i think prosecutors were pretty, i'm sure they're very organized, and hit her with some tough questions. >> no doubt.

tamara, if you're jose baez in there, what are you listening for? what notes are you taking so you can mine mize any damage to your client through all this? >> you know, i think there's not much she can do. i think cindy anthony has damaged herself already. they have so many other statements that she's made. so the state here is really trying to add an additional court record that may be conflicting from what she said before. so this is just an effort for them to destroy her credibility. she is a witness. they want to destroy her credibility. and it's interesting, because i don't think that jose baez can make objections. however, i do think that her attorney will be in there making objections on the record if he does not want a certain question to be asked. we don't know if he's in there or not. but that will be very interesting to ethe kinds of questions. one other thing i wanted to mention is, it's interesting that now we don't know what's being asked. i think that the prosecutors are remaining tight-lipped because they know what's gone on before.

the case is being tried in the court of public opinion. be quiet and let us try this case in court. >> you make a good point, because i think we -- we're spoiled with all the information we have. so when we hear a lot of, four hours of questioning, hey, we want our details. we'll have to wait on this one. real quick, tamara, cindy anthony, is she a prosecution witness, a defense witness, a hostile prosecution witness? do we know yet? >> i would say you're right about the hostile prosecution witness. her initial phone call is definitely a statement that they're going to -- the prosecution is going to use against casey. but then she flipped. so they're going to use these other statements to put her back into her original statement about the smell of the pizza, or dead person or whatever. >> we'll go back over that. we'll take a quick break. call with your questions, 1-877-tell-hln.

apparently you need to be careful what you twitter. what you tweet. it could cost you. coming up, a woman fed up with her landlord, posted a tweet about a moldy apartment. now the apartment owners claim it was defamation. her twitter page had less than 20 followers. does the big company has a case against this young lady? call in with your thoughts, 1-877-tell-hln. this one, heartbreaking. intense search outside of boston for a tiny baby brutally cut from her mother's womb. darlene haines, eight months pregnant. her landlord found her mutilated body stashed in a bedroom closet.

haines haines' family said she filed a restraining order against her ex-boyfriend, father of this baby and another child. friends say she felt threatened, but she was also very trusting. >> she's so kind hearted, though, that she would let anybody into her home. anybody. she was very lonely, very depressed. and anybody that was willing to come sit and talk with her, she would let into her home. >> we'll take your calls if you have thoughts, 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about it, don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. dr. jeff gardere. and laura kramaldi for the boston herald. any leads on finding this baby? >> investigators haven't had much to say to reporters about this case. the district attorney just released a statement a few minutes ago, indicating that he wanted to give worcester police room to do their investigation, given the horrific facts of this case. and would not be getting in

their way. >> laura, do they believe the baby is still alive? are you getting any inkling there? >> as of last night, that was their hope. but no indication that they were in the neighborhood. earlier this morning they're calling hospitals all around the region to try to track down the unborn baby girl. >> let's bring in don clark, how do you go about finding this little baby? >> mike, this is a tough one. i can tell you programs such as yours and others like this, it's got to get out there and get on the air. somewhere in that community, i would suspect that a person in that area may have been the one who have taken this little baby. it doesn't appear to me that darlene was that well known outside of her circle there. so to me, it had to be somebody there who desperately wanted a little baby, to take it. they have to start talking to everybody, all of the neighbors, everybody they know, go to clinics, hospitals, and do a very thorough check in those areas. >> you hit on who, and i've got

to bring in dr. jeff gardere on this. jeff, who could do this? normally when we see this crime, it's a woman who can't have children, who's really lost it mentally, will do this to get a child. what are you seeing here, jeff? >> i would think that's probably the prime reason someone would do this. we've seen these cases. we've talked about these cases before, mike, on your program of women who are so desperate, that they'll get into some plot, befriend someone like darlene who seemed to have been such a depressed and dependent and lonely person, get her confidence, and then rip this baby out of her womb. and of course, we have to look -- don would know better than i on this -- maybe look at some sort of a baby trafficker or something out of, you know, having to do with revenge. but i think what we're looking at here, without any information, is possibly someone who needed a baby. >> wow. let's bring back laura from the boston herald. is there a focus, are police focusing on anybody? >> it's not clear whether

they've honed in on darlene's ex-boyfriend, who was facing assault charges for allegedly throwing her into a glass table late last month. mr. rodriguez had been accused before by a former girlfriend of abuse. those charges have been brought in a lower court level. but we're not -- but not indicted by a grand jury. and the case was dismissed. >> again, that's roberto rodriguez, father of this missing baby. also father of a 1-year-old with darlene haynes. laura, let's be clear with the audience, he allegedly pushed her into a glass table, grabbed her by the throat, slapped her, also accused of hitting her in  2008. this is roberto rodriguez, father of the missing baby and another child of darlene haynes. >> turn yourself in, okay? you don't want to turn yourself

in? keep running. the law's going to catch up with you eventually. that child needs medical  attention. okay? have a heart. i don't care if you just drop the kid off at a hospital. >> don, knowing the history between these two, there you heard from roberto rodriguez. if you're police, is that who you're focusing in on, at least right now? >> i think the people who are closest to her have to be looked at first. this guy is very close to her. they've had some issues that's gone on between them. so certainly you've got to look at this guy very thoroughly. but you can't just let it stop there, mike, because, again, there's baby selling that's going on out there, and has been going on. we've got to keep that in mind. this is a very vulnerable lady, from what i've been able to find so far. she could have been targeted for one of those events as well. i think you need to look at all the areas surrounding this person. >> laura, we mentioned she's vulnerable, and family talk about that, that she didn't know really -- she was too trusting. what is her story?

>> it appears that she had a very difficult childhood, and that she really struggled to live independently, and raise her children, and that the pressure of an abusive relationship, her education was an incomplete. her grandmother -- maternal grandmother has custody of her two eldest children. and she actually had only legal custody of her 18-month-old. >> got you. okay. >> rodriguez was given physical custody until very recently where the state stepped in. >> we'll continue to fa follow this. again, four children. this missing baby would have been her fourth. just a sad story. jeff, don, laura, we appreciate

it. another sad case here. 17-year-old girl, brutally murdered on the streets of los angeles. horrific story. poor girl actually called her parents twice during this kidnapping. but the parents had no idea she was in trouble.

shocking tragedy here, a 17-year-old girl out running an errand for her mom.

she was kidnapped and brutally murdered in downtown los angeles. now we're finding out the guy accused in her vicious attack, 50-year-old charlie samuel, he had a violent past and just walked out of a drug rehab facility, had a day pass. lily burke actually called her parents twice during the ordeal, sadly she wasn't able to get through to them. conveyed the message that she was in extreme danger. and her life was about to end. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining us, welcome back don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. joel ruben, staff writer for the "los angeles times." joel, take us through what happened here. the way we understand it, it's friday afternoon, she goes to run an errand for her mom. her mom's a teacher. what happened next? >> that's right. her mom works at a local law school here in l.a. she picked up the papers for her mom. and was carrying them back in a cardboard box, what we understand, and was approaching

her car. which was parked on the street. and she was -- she never returned home after that. as far as we know, police are saying they have some video footage of the suspect approaching the car at the same time that the victim was. and that they have him driving away in the car. and then they later have him with her at an atm machine just a few miles away in the downtown area. >> the way we understand it is, he -- the alleged attacker here, is wanting her to withdraw money from a visa card or credit card. she can't. calls mom and dad twice to try and get that information. don clark, i've got to bring you in here. what could she have done to convey a message with two phone calls there, with basically her life on the line, that she was in trouble? >> you're right, mike, the idea, if there could have been something that could have been already developed between the

family, if you get into trouble, call and say this, or that. that's what you have to do today. mike, i remember a number of years ago, we wanted to talk about prevention, and no one would listen. today, prevention is a great word, and we've got to put these things in place for our kids, for ourselves and other people around. so that they can have these codes that she could have dropped off. also, the electronic measures, too, now, that i suspect we'll be seeing more of, that could even follow the car, that parents will be able to do that. those are the kind of things we're going to have to use, mike. >> it's sad to say we're at that point, don. we're not blaming the family here. >> no. >> we're trying to learn from it, with two phone calls in a case like that, you'd like to have some code or something. a lot of people have mentioned that, to alert a mom and a dad, hey, i'm in trouble here. so, joel, then, we've got a time line here of more footage of him exiting the car, i believe it's 4:52 and 5:25, he's basically seen slugging down a beer with crack pipe in tow, am i right on that? >> that's true.

it's an incredible story. the last call from lily comes to the house around 4:00. and i think her dad. and then at 4:52 there's video footage of the car pulling into a parking lot, an industrial part of downtown l.a. and with the alleged killer getting out of the car. he gets out immediately, the police say, which leads them to believe that there was no struggle at that point. that she was probably already dead, or very likely already dead. he then makes about a mile walk up through the skid row area downtown, which is sort of the epicenter of our homeless population, and is intercepted by two mounted police officers for drinking a beer in public. they obviously have no idea what he allegedly had just done. >> and they later linked his fingerprints, i believe to fingerprints found in the vehicle where poor lily burke was found. don, i've got to ask you this

before we go. charlie samuel had a violent past. history of assault with a deadly weapon, kidnapping, robbery. we wonder in hindsight and wonder how a guy is out on a day pass from a drug rehab center? >> i certainly don't think he should be, mike. i truly know that the system is so overcrowded, that it takes a great deal of personnel and resources to be able to handle this. i think they do try to evaluate to see who they can do. they make mistakes sometimes. and certainly this was a mistake. because this guy should not have been on the ground. i suspect people would say, we never thought he would go that way. they always say that. >> you've got the past that says he's capable of it, assault with a deadly weapon, kidnapping. >> let me just jump in. >> yeah, joem. >> we're obviously digging around to get as clear a picture of his criminal past. a lot of people are asking the question, should he be out on the streets when it comes to parole and sentences. we're not entirely clear on the kidnapping and the violent past,

it's less than clear at this point. but you have several misdemeanor convictions. there was one for burglarizing a residence of some sort. we don't know the details of that. we don't know if he pled out certain parts of that. but we don't have any kidnapping allegations at this point. just to throw that out there. >> at least not confirmed, right, joel? >> that's right. >> okay. guys, we've got to leave it there. we appreciate it. >>> coming up, change the mooa little bit now. a serious story nonetheless. a woman posted a comment about mold in her apartment. this is on her twitter page. landlord sees it and thinks its defamation. now this big realty company is filing a $50,000 lawsuit against this young girl. what do you think of that? do they have a case or not? call in, 1-877-tell-hln. 

welcome back. a woman in chicago ticked off at her landlord, took a dig at that landlord about her apartment to a couple of friends. did this through twitter. well, now she's looking at a $50,000 lawsuit. let's bring in richelle carey. lay this one out for us. >> okay, mike. pay attention, everybody. this is the deal. amanda bonin had obviously had enough with her landlord, and she allegedly posted this on the microblogging website twitter. this is what she wrote. don't come suing me. this is what she wrote. who says sleeping in a moldy apartment was bad for you? horizon realty thinks it's okay. apparently they don't think it's okay, mike. horizon is now suing her for defamation. her twitter page apparently had 17 followers. that's it. before it was deactivated. the company claims this tweet was published throughout the

world, and now they want $50,000. as for the mold accusation, horizon says bonin's apartment was among several that got water damage one night. the company says it made repairs, and there was never evidence of actual mold in her apartment. so they're not taking this lying down. >> no, they're not. and as i look at this one, you know, on a big picture, i think it's wrong when people can say and do whatever they want online without consequences. but this one sounds pretty minor to me. i don't see this grave defense worth a $50,000 libel lawsuit. >> i think we should talk to some lawyers. >> and we'll talk to views as well. joining me, richelle, the lawyers are in. civil rights attorney avery friedman is with us. rejoining us, defense attorney tamara holter. tamara, i'm not even -- this wasn't even a rant the way i understand it. that this was part of like an invitation for somebody to come

and spend the night. and in the midst of that said, hey, who says sleeping in a moldy apartment is bad for you. apparently how is this a $50,000 libel lawsuit? >> well, i see two sides of this. i see that somebody is on twitter and they're saying whatever they want. and so you know, even though she has 17 followers, if you can just kind of go with me on this, does it matter if someone has one gram of cocaine versus a kilo? it's still a crime. so the number of followers is irrelevant. it's the fact that she made a statement that this company says is false. whether or not there are 17 followers, it doesn't matter. now, i don't think that -- i think the statement was so vague that the reasonable person, and that is for the jury to decide eventually, whether this is defamation. >> avery, what do you think? does the big company have a case against poor amanda bonnan or not? >> not at all. it's not defamation. i don't even understand the analogy. the bottom line is it's not

defamation. it is protected speech. you want to know something? if everybody was sued for that which is put on twitter or any other social network, there would be millions of lawsuits. the case is going nowhere. it's a slap suit, mike. it's a suit to intimidate this individual for saying something on twitter. it's ridiculous. it's going to be thrown out of court. >> there is more to the story as well because amanda bonnan originally sued them because of an unresolved issue. where it all stems from, i believe there's a roof leak. this isn't lock stock, but there might have been water damage to the apartment. it wasn't resolved. she sues. everybody else did not. so do you see this as a revenge suit in a way? >> well, of course it is. in fact, bottom line, can you believe what the president of horizon said? "we're a sue first and ask questions later kind of organization." >> all right. >> that tells it all. >> we'll leave it there. take your calls when we come back. stay with us.

the frantic search for a baby cut from a pregnant woman's womb. cops found the mother's mutilated body in a bedroom closet, her baby still may be alive. now, mom had a troubled past, which leads to the question who could do this? would someone kill her for her little girl? and how about this? be careful what you type. a woman sued over a message to a handful of friends on twitter. complaining about mold in her apartment. well, now the owner wants 50 grand. fooling a lawsuit. quote from her company. "we're a sue first, ask questions later kind of organization." great. love hearing from you. call in on these topics. 1-877-tell-hln. you can e-mail us a.

cnn.com/primenews. or you can text us at hlntv. just start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. >> controversy, opinion, your point of view. this is "prime news." welcome. this is hour number two of "prime news." i'm mike galanos. first, stunning new developments in the michael jackson death case as the net appears to be tightening around dr. conrad murray. we know he's in deep financial turmoil. court documents show a whopping $435,000 in judgments and liens against him before jackson hired him as his personal doctor. this just in. michael jackson's mom, katherine, fighting for control over her -- the singer's estate. intimating here she's being kept in the dark about her son's fortune. and today we're learning the full autopsy report with crucial toxicology tests has been delayed yet another week. a lot to get to. we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. we have our experts with us. joining us, melanie bromley, west coast editor for "us weekly." also with us, tamara holder,

criminal defense attorney. and jim moret, chief correspondent "inside edition," an attorney and former cnn anchor as well. jim, let's start with you. what do we know? why is the toxicology report delayed another week on us here? >> well, they're not telling us that. but we can presume that there are some more test results that we're waiting for. remember that the autopsy is to determine the cause of death. and there were a number of tests that were supposed to be done including testing the brain tissue. and until all of those test results are in the coroner's made it very clear they're not going to release any information piecemeal. they want it one cohesive package. so they need more time. they're going take more time. there's no rush on this. they've said it before. and it makes sense. you don't need to rush into this. you know the result. you know that michael jackson is gone. you want to find out why. >> exactly. okay, guys, let's hit -- again, a lot on the table here. let's talk about dr. conrad murray. finding out he's in some financial trouble as mentioned.

over $400,000 in liens and judgments against him. melanie bromley, what specifics do we know about his financial dealings? >> well, we know he owes a lot of money. we know that there are unpaid bills, there are child support payments that were unpaid. and also we know that he filed for bankruptcy in the '90s. this is somebody who has always had some difficult -- a difficult relationship with money. and obviously, being paid $150,000 a month by michael jackson would have been an incredibly appealing offer to him. >> tamara, let's bring you in on this. so -- and we talked about this. but let's lay it out there for the viewers again because viewers hear this and they go, okay so, he's getting $150,000 a month. so he's going to be a little less likely to do something to make michael jackson upset and lose this job. does that figure into any investigation, or is that something we just speculate and talk about? >> you know, i don't think that the $150,000 is that much money. it is of course a lot of money to the average person. but if you were working for michael jackson and you were

living at his house and you were monitoring him every day, or supposed to be monitoring him every day, it's a reasonable amount. but what's interesting is the last person had said that he didn't think the toxicology reports were correct. and what i'm thinking is this man is not in custody. he's not even a suspect. so they don't want to release the toxicology reports and give him any inclination whatsoever that he he should bounce out of town, possibly commit suicide. they want the toxicology and the charges to come out together so they can get him right away. >> okay, jim, what do we -- dr. murray, we know that he was at his house in las vegas, clinic in las vegas raided. he was there, right? at least the house. >> he was. and believe me, he's not named a suspect. but you've got to believe that he knows he's under the microscope. and if he's going to run i don't even know that he needs the charges. i think he knows that something's happening. if he's not brought up on

manslaughter charges, which we still don't know if this is being ruled a homicide or manslaughter, he certainly has the problem of drug prescriptions and doctor shopping and aliases. so i think he knows he's in deep trouble. i do think that we may not see charges against the doctor even after the tox reports are in. >> not unless if diprivan, propofol is the main cause of death and the source close to the investigation is telling us he gave michael jackson a dose of this hours before his death. then, jim, he's in big trouble, right? >> i really think he's in serious trouble anyway. >> of course. >> because jackson died on his watch. the questions, the growing questions about this doctor is really this timeline. we know when he called 911. we don't know what happened earlier. what happened earlier that day. and we're hearing now reports from the chef who was in the house who indicates that things weren't quite ordinary in the house that day.

this doctor has a lot of explaining to do. and clearly he's been doing some talking to authorities. we don't know what he's been telling them. but i think you're right, mike, this doctor is in serious trouble. >> let's get a call in real quick. linda's with us from texas. hey, linda, your comment or question here? >> caller: my question is this. the day that michael died i know he was getting ready to do this tour. and i mean, as far as i know he did rehearsing and everything. how in the world -- why would he want to take something that strong to knock him out? and my question is this -- is it possible that he was given this diprivan without his consent?ú >> well, from what we gather, and this is from his one-time nurse, cherilyn lee, who was also a nutritionist, she tells the story that michael jackson begged her, begged her for diprivan, and is he tried to warn him, and her quote was "if you take this, you might never wake up." we'll take more of your phone calls right after a quick break. the number 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing our conversation. latest in the michael jackson death investigation. taking your calls. let's go to carla in california. hey, carla, your comment or question? carla? >> caller: yes, i'm here. >> you're up. go ahead. >> caller: i was just wondering if michael jackson signed any kind of release letting the doctor give him the medicine does that give the doctor any kind of out? >> good question. first off, we don't know anything about any kind of release. tamara, let's bring you in on this. what are the odds of that in i wouldn't think very high. but go ahead. >> i would assume -- i think it's a good question -- that

michael did sign some kind of waivers and releases. but remember, this doctor has an ethical duty and an obligation to perform only the appropriate medical treatment of michael. and that diprivan or propofol should never even be taken out of a hospital, and it should never be used by anybody but his anesthesiologist. so you cannot waive your doctor's negligence or willful misconduct. >> exactly. we've all -- every doctor we've talked to on this program and any other you watch will say this is totally irresponsible, this would be giving someone outside of a hospital setting, only used for someone who's about to be undergoing surgery. jim brought this up. i want to explore this with melanie bromley, west coast editor "us weekly." "us weekly" has a story about michael jangs's personal chef, ty chase, talking about what happened in the hours and minutes after michael jackson's death. what was said? >> she gives us a very

compelling account of the morning jackson died. usually when she arrived for work dr. murray would walk down the steps carrying oxygen tasks and on this morgan he wasn't carrying oxygen tanks, he didn't come down-e also didn't come down to get jackson's breakfast which he would normally do. he then talks about how he came running down the steps in a panic about noontime and grabbed michael's son, prince michael, and just was in a panic because michael jackson wouldn't wake up. she then talks about how the children were in the hallway and they were praying for their father as the paramedics rushed upstairs to try to save their father's life. and it's a very kind of upsetting account but a very detailed one and really a good glimpse of what really happened inside the house on that morning. >> yeah, that is heartbreaking, especially when we start to get a picture of what the kids might have been going through at that time. melanie, has kai chase talked with authorities? >> that's a good question. i don't know the answer to that. she's spoken to the associated press. and i'm sure she has.

i think that everybody that was in the house on that day, everybody that was with michael in his last few hours, would have spoken to the authorities and given their account. so i think that that's pretty much a certainty. >> okay. jim, this again is a personal account, but obviously what strikes out -- stands out, not only the family drama and heartbreaking details of what the kids are going through but the point of carrying down oxygen tanks. >> the other thing that really concerns me about this account is we know that 911 was called at 12:22. and by this account the doctor came down between 12:05 and 1 12:10. so there's a 12-minute window there. the doctor was upset at 12:05. was michael jackson dead then? he wasn't upstared administering cpr at that time. he was downstairs with prince and he was upset. so how long before that. the doctor didn't come down at 9:00, 9:30. did he oversleep? was there something wrong with michael jackson? see, these are really the questions that i have.

so when i look at this timeline, i want to look what did the doctor know? obviously that's what authorities want to know. what did they know? when did they know it? why didn't he call sooner? those types of things. >> one other topic i want to hit on. katherine jackson, we're gathering she wants to be co-executor. we know the executors now are john branca, john mcclain. does katherine have a strong argument here to be made a third execut executor? >> she does. i mean, she has a relationship, close relationship to the family. she's been involved in the family affairs all of this time. she's not joe jackson, who disappears and comes back. and she's a fairly credible person. and incredible person. she's been the glue that's held this family together. so a lot of this gossip that's been going on about her not getting certain documents and things like that is disheartening because we need to make sure that those kids are taken care of. and the fight between the attorneys is not appropriate for right now.

>> yeah, jim, real quick-f she's made a third executor, can she veto decisions made by branca and mcclain? >> well, if there are three people, it would be as a tiebreaker so that you would have two against one, that type of thing. the problem for katherine is the document says if any of the executors either decline or aren't eligible there's no replacement. that's i think the biggest problem that she faces right now. >> got you. guys, we have to leave it there. melanie, tamara, jim, appreciate it. coming up the latest with casey anthony. that case picking up speed. prosecutors interrogating casey's mom, cindy anthony, george anthony, brother lee. they could be next. what's being talked about? that's coming up.

welcome back. new momentum today in the case against casey anthony. the florida mother, again, accused of killing her own daughter last summer, 2-year-old little caylee. her little body wasn't found

until december-b a mile from the anthonys' home. now, just yesterday florida prosecutors interrogated caylee's grandmother, sndy anthony. the way we understand it, four hours of questioning. we imagine that her grandfather george, her uncle lee, they may be next. we'll take your calls on this. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining me now to talk about this, natisha lance, producer for the nancy grace show right here on hln. also with us, pam bondi, florida state prosecutor, and tamara holder, criminal defense attorney. all right, natisha, tell us what do we know about cindy? was it questioning just yesterday? yesterday and today? what's going on here? >> from what we're being told, cindy anthony questioned four hours yesterday. they had more questions for her. so she came back again today. more questioning for her. george anthony reportedly was supposed to be questioned today but because they wanted to spend more time with cindy she was in the hot seat once again. now, i spoke to lee anthony's attorney. he is going to be questioned tomorrow morning and reportedly george anthony will be back there next week for more questioning. >> so lee tomorrow, george next

week. do we have any idea, natisha, what's being said, what are the questions, what she's saying, anything at all? >> we have no idea what is being said at this point. this is not a public record since this is the state's depositions that are going on. however, they could be made available at some time in the future through the discovery process. and actually, we're going to be getting more discovery tomorrow. about 1,500 pages of new documents in this case. >> so things heating up. let's bring in pam bondi, florida state prosecutor. pam, tell us what's going on. who's in that room? state attorneys, cindy anthony. is her attorney brad conway? is jose baez in there? what's going on there? >> jose baez will certainly be in there. the prosecutors will be in there. and a court reporter. that's it. whether or not they allow brad conway in the room is going to be interesting. whether they think she could say something to incriminate herself. they may have allowed him in the in the room. but anyway, what natdisha said is correct. that depositions in florida

taken by the state are not public record. it's doubtful they will become a public record. but boy, hot seat was the right term used for her. she got grilled, i bet, by prosecutors. i bet it was pretty fun for the prosecutors because she has varied in her statements, we know, since she has given her civil deposition. >> so prosecutors are asking all the questions. jose baez is in there listening and taking notes. >> absolutely. and then he can come back and also ask questions. but prosecutors have a tremendous advantage now because they also have john morgan's civil deposition from the zenaida gonzalez case. so they have her original statements of course that were so incriminating to her daughter. then yet in the civil deposition she started straying. she wouldn't even admit that her daughter had taken money from her. she said that -- she said that kids are untruthful all the time. she really started minimizing casey anthony's actions. so i think prosecutors were pretty -- i'm sure they're very organized and hit her with some tough questions. >> yeah, no doubt.

tamara, if you're jose baez in there, you're listening, what are you listening for? what notes are you taking so you can minimize any damage to your client through all this? >> you know, i think there's not much he can do. i think that cindy anthony has damaged herself already. i agree with pam. they have so many other statements that she's made. so the state here is really trying to add an additional court record that may be conflicting from what she said before. and so this is just an effort for them to destroy her credibility. she is a witness. they want to destroy her credibility. and you know, it's interesting because i don't think that jose baez can make objections. however, i do think that her attorney will be in there making objections on the record if he does not want a certain question to be asked. we don't know if he's in there or not. but that will be very interesting, the kinds of questions. one other thing i wanted to mention is it's interesting that know we don't know what's being asked. >> right. >> i think that the prosecutors are remaining tight-lipped

because they know what's gone on before. this case is being tried in the court of public opinion. you know, be quiet and let us try this case in court. >> and you make a good point because i think we're spoiled with all the information we have. when we hear four hours of questioning, come on, we want our details. we're going to have to wait on this one. real quick, tamara, i'll stay with you and we'll take a quick break, sundayy anthony, is she a prosecution witness? a defense witness? a hostile prosecution witness? do we know yet? >> i would say you're right about the hostile prosecution witness because her initial phone call is definitely a statement that the prosecution is going to use against casey. but then she flipped. so they're going to use these other statements to put her back into her original statement about the smell of the pizza -- or dead person, or whatever. >> we'll go back over that. take a quick break, take some of your phone calls. call with your questions. the number quarterback quarterback.

apparently, you need to be careful what you twitter. what you tweet. it could cost you. coming up, a woman fed up with her landlord posted a tweet about a moldy apartment. which is what she lived in. now the apartment owners claim it was defamation. never mind the fact this lady's twitter page had less than 20 followers. how is this going to play out in court? does the big company have a case against this young lady? call in with your thoughts, the number, 1-877-tell-hln. now this one. heartbreaking. an intense search just outside of boston for a tiny baby brutally cut from her mother's womb. darlene haines, eight months pregnant. her landlord found her mutilated body wrapped in bedding stashed in a bedroom closet. her womb stripped. who would steal her baby?

haynes' family says she filed a restraining order against her ex-boyfriend, father of this baby and another child. friends say she felt threatened but she was also very trusting. >> she's so kind-hearted, though, that she would let anybody into her home. anybody. she was very lonely, very depressed. and anybody that was willing to come sit and talk with her, she would let into her home. >> we'll take your calls if you have thoughts, 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about it, don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. also with us, dr. jeff gardere, clinical psychologist. and joining us by phone, laura kramaldi, reporter for the "boston herald." lawyeras, i'll start with you. any leads on finding this baby? >> investigators haven't had much to say to reporters about this case. the district attorney just released a statement a few minutes ago, indicating that he wanted to give worcester police room to do their investigation, given the horrific facts of this case, and would not be getting in their way.

>> laura, do they believe the baby is still alive? are you getting any inkling there? >> as of last night, that was their hope. but there was no indication that they were in the neighborhood. earlier this morning they're calling hospitals all around the region to try to track down the unborn baby girl. >> let's bring in don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. don, how do you go about finding this little baby? >> mike, this is a tough one. i can tell you programs such as yours and others like this, it's got to get out there and get on the air. somewhere in that community, i would suspect that a person in that area may have been the one who have taken this little baby. it doesn't appear to me that darlene was that well known outside of her circle there. so to me, it had to be somebody there who desperately wanted a little baby, to take it. they've got to hit the streets, start talking to everybody, all of the neighbors, everybody they know, go to clinics, hospitals, and do a very thorough check in those areas. >> you hit on who, and i've got to bring in dr. jeff gardere on this.

jeff, who could do this? normally, when we see this crime, it's a woman who can't have children, who's really lost it mentally, will do this to get a child. what are you seeing here, jeff? >> i would think that's probably the prime reason someone would do this. we've seen these cases. we've talked about these cases before, mike, on your program of women who are so desperate that they'll get into some plot, befriend someone like darlene who seemed to have been such a depressed and dependent and lonely person, get her confidence, and then rip this baby out of her womb. and of course, we have to look -- don would know better than i on this -- maybe look at some sort of a baby trafficker or something out of, you know, having to do with revenge. but i think what we're looking at here, without any information, is possibly someone who needed a baby. >> wow. let's bring back laura kramaldi, "boston herald." laura-s there a focus? are police focusing on anybody?

>> it's not clear whether they've honed in on darlene's ex-boyfriend, who was facing assault charges for allegedly throwing her into a glass table late last month. mr. rodriguez had been accused before by a former girlfriend of abuse. those charges have been brought in a lower court level but were not indicted by a grand jury. and the case was dismissed. >> again, that's roberto rodriguez, father of this missing baby. also father of a 1-year-old with darlene haynes. and you hit on it, laura. let's be clear with the audience. that he allegedly pushed her into a glass table, grabbed her by the throat, slapped her. also accused of hitting her in 2008. let's listen to him. he was speaking. this is roberto rodriguez, father of the missing baby and another child with darlene haynes. >> turn yourself in, okay? you don't want to turn yourself in? go ahead.

keep running. the law's going to catch up with you eventually. all right? that child needs medical attention. okay? have a heart. i don't care if you just drop the kid off at a hospital. >> okay, don, knowing the history between these two, there you heard from roberto rodriguez. if you're police, is that who you're focusing in on, at least right now? >> i think the people that are closest to her have to be looked at first. and this guy is very close to her. and they've had some issues that's gone on between them. so certainly you've got to look at this guy very thoroughly. but you can't just let it stop there, mike, because again, there's baby selling that's going on out there, and has been going on. we've got to keep that in mind. this was a very vulnerable lady, from what i've been able to find so far. she could have been targeted for one of those events as well. so i think you've got to look at all of the areas surrounding this person. >> laura, let's hit on that real quick. we mentioned she's vulnerable, and family talk about that, that she didn't know really -- she was too trusting. what is her story?

>> it appears that she had a very difficult childhood and that she really struggled to live independently and raise her children under the pressure of an abusive relationship. her education was incomplete. her grandmother -- maternal grandmother has custody of her two eldest children. and she actually had only legal custody of her 18-month-old. >> got you. okay. >> mr. rodriguez, in fact, was given physical custody until just very recently, when the state stepped in. >> we'll continue to follow this. again, four children. this missing baby would have been her fourth. just a sad story. jeff, don, laura, we appreciate it.

coming up, another sad case here. 17-year-old girl, brutally murdered on the streets of los angeles. horrific story. poor girl actually called her parents twice during this kidnapping. but the parents had no idea she was in trouble.

shocking tragedy here, a 17-year-old girl was out running an errand for her mom.

lily burk had her whole life ahead of her but she was kidnapped and brutally murdered in downtown los angeles. now we're finding out the guy accused in her vicious attack, 50-year-old charlie samuel, he had a violent past and just walked out of a drug rehab facility, had a day pass. lilly burk through all this actually called her parents twice during the ordeal. sadly, she wasn't able to get through to them, convey the message that she was in extreme danger. and her life was about to end. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining us, welcome back don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. and by phone, joel rubin, staff writer for the "los angeles times." joel, take us through what happened here. the way we understand it, it's friday afternoon, she goes to run an errand for her mom. i believe get some papers. her mom's a teacher. what happened next? >> that's right. her mom works at a local law school here in l.a. she picked up the papers for her mom and was carrying them back in a cardboard box, what we understand, and was approaching

her car, which was parked on the street. and she was -- she never returned home after that. as far as we know, police are saying they have some video footage of the suspect approaching the car at the same time that the victim was. and that they have him driving away in the car. and then they later have him with her at an atm machine just a few miles away in the downtown area. >> the way we understand it is he, the alleged attacker here, is wanting her to withdraw money from a visa card or credit card. she can't. calls mom and dad twice to try and get that information. don clark, i've got to bring you in here. what could she have done to convey a message with two phone calls there, with basically her life on the line, that she was in trouble? >> you're right, mike, the idea, if there could have been something that could have been already developed between the family, if you get into trouble,

call and say this or that. that's what you have to do today. mike, i remember a number of years ago we wanted to talk about prevention, and no one would listen. today, prevention is a great word, and we've got to put these things in place for our kids, for ourselves and for other people around. so that they can have these codes that she could have dropped off. also there are electronic measures too now that i suspect we will be seeing more of that could even follow the car, the parents will be able to do that. those are the kind of things we're going to have to use, mike. >> it's sad to say we're at that point, don. and we're not blaming the family here. >> no, no, no. not at all. >> we're trying to learn from it, with two phone calls in a case like that, you'd like to have some code or something. a lot of people have mentioned that, to alert a mom and a dad, hey, i'm in trouble here. let's go back to joel. so joel, then, i mean, we've got a timeline here of more footage of him xiexiting the car. i believe it's 4:52 and 5:25, he's basically seen slugging down a beer with crack pipe in tow. am i right on that?

>> yeah-f it's true it's just an incredible story. the last call from lily comes to the house around 4:00. and it's to i think her dad. and then at 4:52 there's video footage of the car pulling into a parking lot, an industrial part of downtown l.a. and with the alleged killer getting out of the car. he gets out immediately, the police say, which leads them to believe that there was no struggle at that point, that she was probably already dead, or very likely already dead. he then makes about a mile walk up through the skid row area downtown, which is sort of the epicenter of our homeless population, and is intercepted by two mounted police officers for drinking a beer in public. they obviously have no idea what he allegedly had just done. >> and they later linked his fingerprints, i believe, to fingerprints found in the vehicle where poor lily burk was found. don, i've got to ask you this before we go.

this charlie samuel had a violent past. history of assault with a deadly weapon, kidnapping, robbery. we wonder in hindsight and say how is this guy out on a day pass like that from a drug rehab center? should he be, don? help us get some understanding here. >> i certainly don't think he should be, mike. but i truly know that the system is so overcrowded that it takes a great deal of personnel and resources to be able to handle it. i think they do try to evaluate to see who they can do. they make mistakes sometimes. and certainly this was a mistake. because this guy should not have been on the ground. but i suspect people would say, we never thought he would go that way. well, they always say that. >> right. and he's got the past that says he was capable of it. assault with a deadly weapon, kidnapping, and robbery. >> can i just jump in? >> go ahead, joel. >> as we learn more about it, we're obviously digging around to get as clear a picture as we can of his criminal past because a lot of people are asking the question should he have been out on the streets when it comes to parole and sentences? we're not entirely clear on the kidnapping and the violent past

is less than clear at this point. you do have several misdemeanor convictions. there was one for burglarizing an inhabited dwelling, a residence of some sort. we don't know the details of that. we don't know if he pled out certain parts of that. but we don't have any kidnapping allegations at this point. just to throw that out there. >> at least not confirmed, right, joel? >> right. exactly. still working to get it -- >> okay. still working to get that confirmed. guys, we've got to leave it there. joel rubin, don clark, guys, we appreciate it. coming up i'm going to bring in my colleague jane velez-mitchell. we're going to talk about the latest in the michael jackson case. we wonder, are the walls now closing in on dr. conrad murray? we'll be talking about that. his financial troubles before being hired to be michael jackson's personal physician. also, some timelines something, revelations about what paramedics went through to try and save the king of pop. also a personal chef telling her story as well in the final moments of michael jackson's life.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. so many new details in the michael jackson case. want to get right to them with my colleague jane velez-mitchell, host of "issues with jane velez-mitchell." jane, you've got dr. conrad murray obviously on the table. you've got timelines to talk about, what paramedics went through. let's start there. i had a chance to talk to cnn's randi kaye about -- she talked with a fire captain about what paramedics saw. first thing that stands out after the 32-second phone call. took them another three minutes to get there. so already four minutes gone right there that when they arrive michael jackson no pulse, not breathe. >> not only that. he admits through his attorneys, dr. murray, that he waited a half an hour before he called paramedics. if you add it all up and you include the 42 minutes that they spent working on him at the house, it's something like an

hour and 17 minutes that they're working on somebody, and through most of that, at least what we know from when the paramedics arrived, he doesn't have a pulse, he's not breathing. so at what point do you declare somebody dead? and does politics have anything to do with that? in other words, if you ran into a homeless person on the street and paramedics were working on him, would they do all of that before declaring the person dead? and you know, could that hurt the investigation? because time of death is absolutely crucial. >> couple things -- >> to determining whether something nefarious occurred. >> exactly. couple things off that. and randi kaye mentioned in her interview with the fire captain that michael jackson received the, quote unquote, hallelujah package, which means they did everything, everything in those 42 minutes to try to save him. but back to your point on time of death, a lot of people are wondering, jane, when -- okay, paramedics arrive, he's not breathing and there's no pulse. for how long was that the case? do we know, jane, a definitive -- yes, he was pronounced dead at the hospital,

but what time did he actually die, and will an autopsy tell us that? >> well, it will according to the experts i've talked to pinpoint it pretty darn close. certainly not down to the minute, but maybe in a time frame that will give us a good lead on what really happened that day. because all of it is really subject to analysis and it's like rashman. every person is bringing their unique perspective to it. tmz reporting three hours before paramedics were called, two women arrive at a houston storage facility owned by dr. conrad murray to pick up files. is it a coincidence? possibly. but tmz is saying that investigators are trying to figure out how sent those women there. and remember, there's drive time too. there's three hours before paramedics were called, and why were they sent there? and who sent them there? and that's probably why they want the cell phone records and the cell phones to see if dr. murray was the one calling them, saying, hightail it over to that

storage facility to get those documents. >> we have to be very clear on that. because you're mentioning, that's 9:20, roughly, west coast time, when they're going to the offices in houston. key point there. jane, one other thing, dr. murray's financial troubles. liens, judgments against him, $435,000. not sure if foreclosure was involved there. but how does that impact the investigation? because on a common sense front, your you're thinking, he's got to have this job, getting $150,000 a month from michael jackson and is going to do whatever the king of pop says. >> the first thing i thought of when i saw his house i was like, wow, that's a pretty fancy house. and now i find out that he's according to published report $140,000 behind on the mortgage. >> jane. we'll be watching "issues with jane velez-mitchell" coming up in less than ten minutes. thanks, jane. coming up, want to hear you, the twitter lawsuit.