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welcome once again. this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. we have shocking developments unfolding right now in the michael jackson case. number one, drug addict. federal agents used the word "addict" to describe michael jackson in the search warrant. could that ratchet up any charges? new clues from michael jackson's personal chef. she says she saw dr. murray come downstairs with oxygen tanks in the morning. we would love to hear from you. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining me to talk about this, kim sarafin and legal analyst from popsquire.com and anne bremner. a criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor. she sat in on michael jackson's child molestation trial as well. we've got the term "addict" being used in these search warrants. isn't that more trouble for dr. murray? the inference here is you are

enabling a drug addict. >> he's got trouble ahead and trouble behind. you are talking about overprescribing, prescribing to a drug addict and potentially manslaughter. this is not only potentially criminal, but implicates his license at a minimum. we knew back at the time i was at the jackson trial, which to a certain extent was on headline news and cnn. i, as a layperson/lawyer could see it at the trial. his doctor certainly should have known and was part of that equation according to the feds and state authority. >> in your experience, could any doctor plead ignorance on michael jackson? >> you know what? ignorance is no defense when you are dealing with michael jackson and his addiction, given all the anecdotal information and all the medical information, 19 aliases. and what was uncovered in the 100 search warrants at the neverland ranch in '03 before the trial that i witnessed. russell, also authorities

looking into some 19 aliases. we are understanding a cd was taken from dr. murray's office with the name omar arnold. one of his aliases. . doesn't that further link him here that he had to know omar arnold and michael jackson are one and the same. >> that's right. these 19 aliases are fascinating. they are people of different genders and races on their face. this is clearly an operation that involved numerous people. to say you didn't know you were part of that plot just seems ridiculous. >> kim, we kind of touched on it. what aliases do we know? we know omar arnold, that's one. his own son, right? >> yes, his own son. which i think is interesting. larry king did interview the private chef last night. apparently her name was one of the aliases he was using. she didn't know that until recently. you have a wide array of people he knew, employees and some were just random names. and prescribed not just by one

doctor. could be up to seven or eight doctors. that's why they issued all these different subpoenas. they're now looking into how many doctors were in on this and how many dock nors knew he was an addict and were prescribing these drugs. >> obviously dr. conrad murray, dr. arnold klein his dermatologist. when we talk about it, and let's go back to your point of years of drug abuse, prescription drug addiction for michael jackson, that is going to be a defense for dr. murray? i was just on the scene the last few months. >> that is an interesting point. in some ways it makes it far more serious what he's facing that he was prescribing to an aide dikt a addict and potentially guilty of manslaughter. it could be a defense. he was an addict. i dealt with one part of his life, the anesthesia, if that's what it was. to say there is a whole cocktail and that is what people were prescribing, that michael jackson had in his system.

that might be somebody else, not me, murray would say. >> that's his only hope we find the cause of death, he's got to be hoping for a cocktail is the cause and not the main cause being propofol or diprivan. right? >> his lawyer, ed chernoff, tells us to wait and hold off on judging until the toxicology report comes out. they are hoping that report will show there were numerous drugs. certain drugs linger longer, some stay longer and some shorter in the system. that evidence is going to be really important in building a defense for dr. murray. >> toxicology report delayed indefinitely, kim? what's going on here? >> yeah. we were expecting it this week, possibly today, now pushed to next week, and now indefinitely. it could take weeks and weeks. they are trying to do due diligence. they want to have all the facts they are investigating all these doctors. it seems there are more questions now than less. these searches should have answered questions, but are bringing them to other doctors,

to other issues and other things they want to investigate. they want to do it right. it's so high profile. everyone's watching this so closely. they want to have all the evidence, all the details and all the information. all before they make any charges. >> good point there. pam is with us in nebraska. your thoughts? >> caller: yes. my question is, if this family was so concerned about these children, why in the world did they leave these children with him? if it was a common joe like you or me, an alleged addict, they take the children and make the person go through, like, drug court or rehab and finish the rehab and then they have to go on and stay sober for so long before they give the children back. >> pam, that is a great point. let's go to anne on that one. as much as any of us here, you had in-depth knowledge of michael jackson and the workings of the family. good point there. we heard from family members saying they tried intervention. they knew he was having some

trouble. they also knew, obviously, the kids were in the midst of this. >> absolutely. your caller raises a great point. they say they tried and were turned away by jackson or through his security detail. the fact of the matter is when you have children in harm's way, there has to be some intervention. i believe gloria allred got involved on behalf of the state with respect to other children, not michael's children. luckily they are okay physically right now. if he was an addict as we heard through many different sources and throughout many decades, maybe since 1984, those kids were at risk. >> we are not saying he was an incapable father. >> no. >> we do not know the inner workings of the relationship with his kids. by all accounts it was a good one. but for his own sake, and obviously it would have been great if there would have been an intervention that did some good. we wouldn't have had this tragic end. >> back when they did the raid in '03 there could have been grounds for charges back then. hindsight's 20-20 but perhaps he could have been saved.

coming up, we'll hit on other topics. reports michael jackson wasn't even in his own bed when he died. he was in a bed assigned to dr. murray. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.

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>> caller: it reverses the reaction of these drugs that he was on. now, i don't understand, he should have that on-hand. >> a couple great points there from danny russle. i understand that michael jackson only weighed about 110 pounds. so dr. murray was strong enough to hold him with one hand and do cpr like so. that's the explanation i've heard. >> that's the same explanation i've gotten. these are great questions. >> they really are. >> a lot of questions need to be asked of dr. murray. at first we saw his lawyers coming out and defending him in the media. but they've remained silent very recently. as this investigation continues, we can expect them to continue to remain silent, especially as charges of manslaughter loom large. >> and narcan something we've not heard at this point. the callers are making great points here today. here's another report. tmz quoting law enforcement sources saying michael jackson

was not in his own bed, but in, i guess, a bedroom assigned to dr. murray. kim, do we know anything about dr. murray's routine at that house? >> well, we do know, according to a few reports, including this interview that larry king did with the chef, that the doctor used to come at night, stay overnight with michael, and the chef said come down in the morning and get juices for michael. that seemed to be the routine. that goes in with all the reports are saying, all the rumors that he would come overnight, possibly give michael propofol so he could go to sleep and leave in the morning. this does sort of all play in. as every report comes out, as we talked to people who were there, like this chef, that's what everyone is saying. and apparently the report from tmz saying oxygen tanks, and i.v. stands were found in his bedroom. >> let me interrupt you. we've been talking about kai chase, the personal physician. this is kai chase talking about what she saw with dr. murray in the mornings. let's give that a listen. >> larry: did you notice oxygen tanks?

because if it was diprivan and they had to measure blood pressure, they also needed oxygen tanks, if you are giving that drug. >> mm-hmm. >> larry: did you notice them? >> i saw the oxygen tanks, yes. >> larry: where were they? >> i would see dr. murray carrying the oxygen tanks down in the mornings. >> larry: that morning, or other mornings? >> no, i didn't see him that morning. i saw him in the afternoon. but other mornings. >> larry: he would carry them down? portable oxygen? >> yes. >> ann, that just screams diprivan use. and she said plural, mornings, like that was the ritual. >> right. the only morning that he apparently didn't carry them down is the morning michael jackson died, or we believe what he said it was in the afternoon. but yeah, the fact is, the monitoring device would have been him for michael jackson, because he didn't have the other kind of equipment, ekg, et cetera. so the routine kind of will tell us, or the lack of routine on the day of offense could lead to a more solid manslaughter charge against him. first degree or second degree. it's very, very serious. >> guys, we'll take a quick

break. much more on the michael jackson story coming up. a different angle in a little bit talking about the custody. we thought a deal was done. hearing coming up on monday. we want to know, is it just going to be rubber stamped or will a judge mix in there as well and maybe even set up a priority, a list of if katherine can't take care of the kids, who's next? call in, 1-877-tell-hln.

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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. we're going to follow up on the so-called white house beer summit. the meeting over a glass of beer between president obama, vice president joe biden, professor henry louis gates jr. and sergeant james crowley, who had arrested him. what are we hearing? it was a frank conversation. there was no tension. what's a good thing, they're setting up a second meeting. what do you think of this? have we learned something? is this an example for the nation? we'll take your calls on this on our "what matters" segment, 1-877-tell-hln. we like to hear from you on this as well, michael jackson, we know the custody dispute is over. we believe it's official. now a judge is going to decide in finality on monday if

jackson's mom, katherine, will get sole custody of little prince, paris and blanket. ex-wife debbie rowe said to get visitation. the question here as we move forward, will the judge just rubber-stamp this? will there be changes? let's welcome back kim serafin, russ webson and anne bremner, sat in on michael jackson's child molestation trial. we'll take your phone calls, 1-877-tell-hln. all right. ann, do you see the judge rubber stamping this or tweaks that could be made come monday? >> i see the judge rubber stamping it. there's been so much out there about what's going to happen. it's been such a complicated issue potentially. they'll be able to work it out. we favor settlement in the laws 98% federally and 95% in state courts settle. this one should settle. a judge is going to want to say, i agree, it looks to be fair. >> it's a good thing for the kids. this wasn't protracted. it wasn't nasty.

it wasn't out in the media. it seemed it was katherine, debbie rowe and the attorneys getting involved there. here's something, i'll throw this to russell. katherine jackson, although everyone loves the decision of her, she is 79. and if she becomes sick, can't take care of the three kids, is there -- is this something that a judge will decide now on monday this should be the succession of who might jump in? >> the judge won't address that on monday. but this is something people should be considering. let's hope that debbie rowe and katherine jackson have started to consider this. given katherine's age, it could happen that these kids see the death of another guardian during their childhood. and that could be a very sad situation. so i hope the jackson family is preparing for what could happen next. >> anne, again, katherine jackson looks great. hope she lives a long, healthy life, able to take care of the kids, but is now the time where you want to put in rebbie jackson could be next or janet or diana ross? that's what michael jackson wanted in the will. >> absolutely. just do it all right now.

we've heard about rebbie and janet. we don't hear diana ross saying she wants to step in, but she will if she's needed. why not get it all settled right now, up front, and move on. >> yes. it sure seems -- >> i don't think that's necessarily a good idea, sorry to interrupt, michael. i think because these kids are in such limbo, and there will be a psychologist involved, i think it makes sense to take a little time, see who the kids respond to well and how the kids are adjusting and then decide. an immediate decision might not be the best decision. >> we talked about that yesterday as far as debbie rowe's visitation, that a child psychologist has to get in on both sides. how ready is debbie rowe to interact with these kids on a regular basis? and the kids to interact with her so close to the death of her father. i'm sure the qualified people are going to jump in on this. what the kids's a best interests at heart. something else i want to hit on, guys. the judge will decide on crucial estate matters. we know katherine jackson has talked about it. ann, maybe you can clarify this for us, that she wants to be a

third co-executor, along with john branca and john mclean. does she have a case? >> there's a no-contest clause in the will. if she challenges the will, that's what she's doing by making this kind of potential case, she could be out of anything in the will. so she's got to be really careful about that. the fact is, she wants to know more information. it's something that could be worked out. what i was saying on the kids is, have people down the line potentially, because we've got, you know, a mother that's 79. but she's a guardian of the kids. she is not the executor of the will. she's not there for the business affairs of michael jackson. those two things are very separate. >> so is wanting to be a third executor, is that in a sense contesting? >> it is. it potentially is. she's got to be very, very careful. she does deserve to know certain things, but the fact is, he decided who he wanted to be the executor of his will. and it wasn't his mother. >> yeah. russell, real quick, and then we'll take a break and get kim in on the other side here. if you were to have three executors, do they have to agree on everything?

could katherine butt heads and stop some decisions from being made? do we know how that might play out? >> the way that would play out, she could likely be a tiebreaker. if the other two guys couldn't decide, she would be a tie-breaker. that doesn't seem to be likely the case that's going to happen here. >> you're right. branca, john mclean, both seem to be good business minds. when we come back, we'll talk about the worth of michael jackson's estate. we'll get kim in on the conversation as we talk about it being worth upwards of $2 billion. that's not surprising, especially if there's a vault of unreleased music. that would sell like hot cakes. we'll take your calls on all that, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing our conversation on michael jackson, we talked about the custody of the kids, a judge, they're going to have a hearing on monday. the experts are saying the deal is done. it is just going to be rubber-stamped. katherine jackson, michael's mom, gets sole custody. debbie rowe, the biological mom, we're told the kids will have visitation rights. sandy is with us in west virginia. sandy, go ahead. >> caller: yes. i'd like to know who determines what's in the best interest of a child? is it the people who have never even laid eyes on these children to know who these children bond with? because the grandparents' love is a lot stronger for their grandchildren than it is for their own children. >> anne, number one, you've got michael jackson's wishes were to

have katherine. now you've got a deal saying katherine is -- she's going to be the sole guardian. debbie rowe will get visitation. it sounds like it's worked out with the kids' best interests at heart. the fact that the biological parent has very important katherine is named the guardian you put those two things together, debbie rowe's rights, the grandmother's rights, and they made an agreement, they struck an agreement. and they're going to have a psychologist involved as well to help with this transition. >> right. that's all good there. guys, let's talk about the estate. possible worth. i believe it was katherine jackson's attorney basically saying $2 billion. kim, "in touch weekly," if there is a vault of unreleased music, that could be a conservative estimate. don't you think? >> up until this moment, we kept hearing $500 million, $500 million. but $2 billion does seem like a

lot. but if you consider how his music has been selling just over the past month, and these are songs everyone knows and has heard of before, they said it could be going back to his motown days still unreleased. that could be great music. some of them might need a little work. some of them might be ready to be released. we haven't talked about the beatles album. we don't know where michael will be buried yet. if it will be at neverland. there's extra money to come in there. the film that they're going to make from this rehearsal footage. there's a ton of money to be made. not even talking about what he already has sitting there, like those unreleased songs. >> you hit the rehearsal footage. lay it out for us, kim. what are we talking about here? how much footage do they have of those final rehearsals of michael jackson over the last weeks, months? >> they have a lot. enough to make a film out of it. people will be widely anticipating this film. look at that little minute snippet that keep playing, that we've been playing for the past two weeks. it's garnered a lot of interest. he looks great.

i think just the curiosity factor, even if you weren't going to go see his concert, even if you weren't a big fan, just to see what he was like in the weeks leading up to his death. there's been all this dispute about whether he was ready to do it. did he really want to do these 50 performances. the curiosity about it. this is his last final performance. enormous interest. >> if they make this a movie, it would be number one at the box office with the interest in the story and to see in full the final rehearsals of michael jackson. yeah, $2 billion might be correct here. guys, thanks again. anne, russell, kim, always like talking to you guys. hopefully we'll talk again soon. coming up, the so-called white house beer summit. what did we learn from it? we know -- there's the picture. president obama, vice president biden, professor gates, sergeant crowley, they get together. frank conversation. two men are going to get together again. has it been a good thing for this to unfold before the nation's eyes. we want to hear from you. the number, 1-877-tell-hln. and right now we'd like to let you know about this week's cnn hero, brad blosser.

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we can't think of a time when the president invited a few people over for a beer, and gained so much attention. that's what happened yesterday at the white house. president obama hosted harvard professor henry louis gates, the officer also who had arrested him earlier this month, sergeant james crowley. vice president biden in as well. the president called the meeting a friendly conversation. we'll let richelle carey pick it up from there, "prime news" correspondent, taking a closer look at that in the "what matters" segment. >> the president said he wanted to calm the racial issues since professor gates was arrested on july 16th. of course, you remember gates was arrested after a neighbor calling 911 about a possible break-in at his home. yesterday there were no apologies, but everyone seemed to agree to move forward. gates and crowley are already

actually planning another meeting. >> i would like not only to discuss, but i'd also like to listen to professor gates' perspective. certainly he has the credentials to enlighten me a little bit. and i think perhaps the professor, as he expressed to me, has a willingness to listen to what my perspective is as a police officer. >> and professor gates says he thinks he and sergeant crowley to use this opportunity to foster greater sympathy among the american public for the daily perils of policing on the one hand, and the genuine fears of racial profiling on the other. so what does this meeting mean for race relations in this country. joining me to talk about this, roland martin, cnn analyst, and "essence" magazine correspondent and cnn correspondent boyd watkins, founder of your black world.com. gentlemen, thank you for joining us. roland, i'm going to go to you. was this just a photo-op? >> look, i think the predominant focus of this meeting was indeed a photo-op. but look, i think what we can

take away from this is we have to learn to have dialog when it comes to issues of race in this country. i remember when i was a student at texas a&m university, as a freshman, there was a white gentleman who just -- we happened to run into each other in our dormitories. we began to talk. he began to share his apprehension about african-americans based on an incident when he was a kid when a black kid stole his ball and took it home. for ten years he was walking around not liking black people because of this incident. as we begin to talk, and talk about racial assumptions, we begin to learn. without that dialog, it never happens. that's where we have problems in this country when it comes to race. we're afraid to have the honest and frank dialog. >> a nerve was touched, boyd, because this question came up at a primetime presidential news conference. not only that, the president felt compelled to answer it. what does that say about where we are in race relations in this country? >> i think that it says the obvious, that our country is

racially sick. racism really is a disease that affects the very fabric of every institution in america. what's really more complex about racism, richelle, is that racism itself is not really the enemy. really, the enemy is racial inequality, which is created through 400 years of perpetually keeping one group of people in the underclass of our society. even individuals who are not racist themselves, people who don't wake up and say, how am i going to oppress a black person today, just by very virtue of the fact they continue to strengthen and apply the norms of intuitions that have been historically racist and imbalanced, you're contributing to the problem, as well. you can almost think of it like dumping toxic waste into a lake. you can stop dumping, but that doesn't mean the lake is going to clean itself up. you must be as deliberate and affirmative in cleaning the lake as polluting the lake in the first place. right now, our society is like that polluted lake. >> understand where we are.

for instance, if you ask whites, what are their favorite television shows, and you ask african-americans what are their favorite television shows, a whole different perspective. the reality is, we do have different worlds. it is not that somehow we're just separate countries, but the reality is there are likes and dislikes. the point is not whites are right, blacks are wrong, blacks are right, whites are wrong. that we do see things differently. i simply learned to appreciate that as an african-american, i might see something different than a white person. the issue then comes in, when you begin to apply stereotypes and wrong perceptions to a situation. in the case of crowley and gates, there is no doubt that gates being an african-american man seeing a white cop, who likely had preconceived notions and a history that played into how he responded. crowley, the same way. we have to recognize that. only through dialogue and conversation can we come to the conclusion, ah, now i see why you responded that way.

that's where the learning opportunity comes in. if you don't talk about it and explain it in its raw true form, you'll never be able to understand it. >> has there been anything about this dialogue saying we need to anything, though, about this i do ldialogue? >> roland is saying we need to step back. has there been anything about this dialogue that has made you uneasy that you have seen in the past few days? >> what bothered me most about the dialogue was not what happened in this particular case. what bothered me were the reactions that people had. many people reacted to this case without knowing all the facts. so i'm getting all these e-mails in my box saying, oh, boyce, you're backing an uncle tom, because you're not jumping on our side. >> that's harsh. >> well, you know, it happens. a hustler's dream is a hater's nightmare. so effect liviveffectively, tha happen. but people were acting on

preconceived notions of race and preconceived notions of police officers, which may or may not be true. most people who hate police officers don't know much about -- >> boyce, i'll have to wrap you there. just as the temperature of this gates/crowley thing was cooling down, that nasty e-mail from a boston police officer surfaces. d