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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. all right, would you, could you ever say no to a cute little baby, a baby that cute? well, a fast food manager did, because little baby didn't have shoes on. i'm taking it here the manager of the burger king took the no shoes, no shirt, no service line a little too far. a 6-month-old, you're going to boot them out because baby doesn't have shoes on. unbelievable. we'll take your calls on this one a little later, 1-877-tell-hln. new today, a nervous george
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anthony questioned under oath about his granddaughter's murder. little caylee anthony found dead in the woods right near his home back in december. his only daughter, casey, behind bars, charged with first-degree murder, faces the death penalty. now it is up to dad to tell his side of the story. he hasn't seen his daughter in months. it would be hard to keep his emotions in check during this deposition. no question. george anthony, he's been through hell through all of this. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. here to talk about it, once again, mark eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor. also with us, midwin charles, defense attorney. mark, i'll start with you. george anthony is letting it out there he's nervous about this. it's going to be difficult. we know george anthony had at one point contemplated suicide. with all that said, how is he going to hold up in there? what are you seeing from george? >> it's going to be a different dynamic. he resented the civil lawsuit brought by that firm, you know,
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that claimed that their zanny, zenaida fernandez, was defamed. so him and cindy resented the attorneys. they resented the lawsuit. they hated being there. this is a little different different. they understand the prosecutorial function. they have to find out what they know. they know they're going to be witnesses. and so i think it's going to go very differently. the same way cindy and lee's depositions went. i think he'll go the same way, calm, answering questions and normal. >> since you mentioned it, we have a clip cut, this is george anthony during the civil suit, filed by zenaida gonzalez. let's watch george anthony again. we'll say it was tense, at the least. let's give it a watch. >> i've already answered everything about this lady right here. and i've done it in the best possible way i can. i've told you this is not the lady that my daughter described to me. so we can end this right now. this is -- you're just fishing, sir. you're fishing for information
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for a criminal investigation that you have nothing to do with. >> you see george anthony, holding it back, he's tense. if you're questioning, you're a state attorney questioning george anthony, do you play on his emotions to take advantage of him a little bit? or how are you going about it? how are you going to approach him? >> you always do. at this point, though, however, you have to remember that he's not the person accused of any wrongdoing. so you ought to be very careful. but whenever you're questioning someone in a deposition, you use what is available to you as a strength. and if emotion is at play here, you go for it. >> mark, what's the key piece of information you're really going to burrow in on with george anthony? >> the first is he smelled death in that vehicle. i would say to him, when you told law enforcement that for sure that was the smell of death, let's talk about how you know that. and let him go into detail of how he's a former law enforcement officer. he knows that smell. in a case of defense, and they will, attack the scientific evidence claiming, no, no, that could have been some other
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smell. that's going to be key amongst other issues. >> midwin, i want you to comment on it, but let's first listen to that. mark set it up for us, george anthony talking to investigators about the smell of death in the car casey was driving. >> i got within three feet of my daughter's car, and the worst odor that you could possibly smell in this -- in this world. and i've smelled that odor before. it smelled like a decomposed body. >> that is a huge, huge piece of information, i would think, for prosecution, midwin. how do you argue that if you're the defense? not only did george say it, but we know cindy said it as well in a 911 call. >> it's difficult to argue it as a defense. basically, what you do is you don't ignore it. it's there, and you work with it. as the other guest said, the smell of death is not something that the average person would know what that is. so the fact that he was able to readily identify that based on his experience, on his career,
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it's something that a defense attorney is just not going to be able to walk away from. what you do is work with that. >> on the other side, mike, what they're going to try to do is establish what he's going to be offering the defense team and kind of narrow him down. and what he offers is the claim that zanny was discussed in the household, that there really was a zanny the nanny, contrary to what law enforcement said. he's going to go through and say this is how my daughter described her to be, 125 to 135 pounds, 5'7". beautiful, 1 to 10 she was a 10. that's what he'll bring to the table. they'll want to nail him down on that. >> we know with cindy, it was 13 hours of questioning, lee 9. we'll see how long george anthony's in the hot seat, we'll continue to follow it. mark, midwin, we appreciate it. thanks, guys. coming up, this story. we want you to dive in on it. we're talking about feet. baby feet. a fast-food manager kicked out a mom and a cute little baby because baby didn't have shoes on? 6-month-old doesn't even walk yet. there's no funk yet. everybody loves baby feet. what's going on here? call in. the number 1-877-tell-hln.
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two women, thankfully back with their families on u.s. soil today. american journalists held in a north korean prison for five months. they described the ordeal as the most difficult, heart-wrenching days of their lives. want to bring in our "prime news" correspondent richelle carey with more on this emotional homecoming. and it was emotional to watch, richelle. >> it was, mike. it was. it really was a team of people
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basically. but former president bill clinton was the person who actually secured the release of euna lee and laura ling. the two journalists were working on a story when soldiers arrested them near the border of north korea and china. and they lived in fear every single day. >> 30 hours ago euna lee and i were prisoners in north korea. we feared that at any moment we could be sent to a hard labor camp. and then suddenly we were told that we were going to a meeting. we were taken to a location, and when we walked in through the doors we saw standing before us president bill clinton.
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>> i don't think any of us can imagine what they felt. president clinton had flown to north korea to talk with leader kim jong-il. after the meeting the two women were granted a pardon. their families met them at the airport this morning. those are the pictures that tell the story. lee had a tearful reunion right there with her husband and her cute 4-year-old daughter hannah. ling says when she saw president clinton she instantly knew the nightmare of their lives was finally coming to an end. there you have it, mike. >> just such raw emotion. something to watch today. >> it was. >> great finish to that. richelle, thanks. this next story, flipping the deck here on you. this is ridiculous. a cute baby booted from a burger king in sunset hills, missouri. little baby six months old. look at her. precious. mom says the restaurant manager threatened to call the cops because, get this, the baby was not wearing shoes. keep in mind the 6-month-old
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can't walk, can't crawl. too young to really get the feet dirty. listen to how mom explains how this whole feet fiasco went down. >> the manager was standing next to me and he said you can order to go but you're going to have to leave if she doesn't have shoes on. he said it's against health code. if you're going to go to burger king, put some shoes on your baby. >> or go somewhere else. >> or go somewhere else. yeah. >> are you kidding me? everybody loves cute baby feet. they're awesome. there's no stench, no funk. you just squeeze them. it's part of just loving on a little baby. this one's unbelievable. call in with your thoughts, 1-877-tell-hln's the number. joining us again, defense attorney, former prosecutor mike eiglarsh. this manager just took the no shoes, no shirt, no service deal way too far, huh, mark? >> well, mike, there are two sides to every issue. and on one side you've got those like yourself who passionately believe that he went too far. he didn't interpret the policy correctly. and on the other side of the
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issue, mike -- there is no other side of the issue, mike. he's an idiot. this guy is just a moron. you know, i say to him, have it your way, buddy, but not in customer service. i mean, it just doesn't make any sense. >> you and i will argue just about anything. so that's -- >> you thought i was going to go on the other side. no way. >> that's good. >> no. >> a lot of folks want to dive in, get in on the phones. let me read burger king's this restaurant, apologizes for use of the no shoes policy." >> furthermore, the franchise is also contacting the guest to apologize. i believe they've invited them back. little late on that. let's get some phone calls in. kathy is with us in louisiana. hey, kathy, your thoughts here? >> caller: yes. >> go ahead, kathy. >> caller: i think the manager was way off base. you know, if he thinks feet funk is the problem, it's not.
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it's the insurance wants to -- doesn't want to cover any injury to a foot if a customer doesn't wear shoes. and obviously, a 6-month-old wouldn't be walking. i wouldn't let my 6-month-old down on a floor of a restaurant. you know, i think it's a matter of he needs to be retrained. >> exactly. it's ridiculous, to say the least. one other call. kelly's with us in north carolina. kelly, go ahead. >> caller: yeah. i've just got a little comment, rather. i think that's a little absurd. i've got a 4-year-old myself, and children have a tendency to want to take off their shoes when they go somewhere. so maybe the child took the shoes off and the mother kept them. i mean, what in their right mind of a human being would do something like this? i mean, this is insane. does the law allow you to do this to children? i mean, this is just insane to me. >> we've got parents upset on this one, mark. does the family have any recourse or is this -- i guess technically that's their policy, right? or is there something they can
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do? >> there's nothing they can do. but it's crazy to think this manager somehow would let a herd of crack addicts who are filthy and disgusting who have something that arguably are considered shoes to come in before they let this beautiful baby nibble on a french fry in their place. so it's just crazy. >> we've got an e-mail from jenna in mankato, minnesota writing this. "obviously the guy doesn't have children. have you tried to put shoes on an infant? if you're successful with that adventure, how about keeping the shoes on the infant? or socks for that matter." mark, we've both been there. the shoes are all over the restaurant, the socks, too. >> three times with me. but when you start to appease the guy and put socks on the 6-month-old and that's not sufficient and he says i'm going to call the police still, this guy should stay off of anything that has to do with customer service. he's not very smart. >> not his strong suit. another call, arianna in pennsylvania. arianna, go ahead. >> caller: hi. actually, you guys have hit on a lot of points that i was
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thinking, which is, you know, you don't want anybody to step on glass. there's lawsuits there. a 6-month-old baby can barely sit up straight. they're either on your back in a backpack, in an infant carrier or sitting in a high chair. i think this guy in his own little world wants to be the hero and play the good guy, look what i did, i followed the rules. and he made an idiot out of himself and out of burger king. >> yeah. it's horrible pr for them, let's face it. we're all chiming in. we're all on the same side on this one obviously. thanks for the phone calls. mark, always good talking to you. thanks so much. coming up, huge news for all you "american idol" fans. paula abdul, she's leaving the show. paula gone. how is the show going to go on? call in, 1-877-tell-hln.
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just moments ago a judge in los angeles agreed to postpone chris brown's sentencing. the singer pleaded guilty to assaulting rihanna, and under the deal he's going to avoid jail time. he's going to get five years probation, community service, going to have to undergo domestic violence classes for about a year. well, now the sentencing's been postponed to the 27th of this month. why the delay? kind of puzzling to me. i want to bring in my colleague, jane velez-mitchell, host of "issues with jane velez-mitchell." coming your way 12 minutes to the top of the hour. i thought it was time for him to take his medicine and move on. but no go. we get another postponement here. >> well, yeah, they want to know if virginia authorities say yeah, he can do this specific type of community labor in their state, like graffiti cleanup and sort of physical labor as part of his community service, which is part of the plea deal. but the bigger picture is look how slow things go when you have
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a celebrity involved. i have gone into those courthouses in los angeles early for a celebrity case. you see the normal cases, the average cases, the people who don't have money, who aren't famous. bing bong bing, they are sentenced and they're off to the slammer faster than you can blink. and yet you look at this case, which is not that complicated -- >> doesn't seem it, no. >> the celebrity cases get dragged out and dragged out, perhaps in the hopes that maybe we'll lose interest and we won't care what happens. >> well, fat chance of that. we're going to continue to talk about this one. >> yeah. >> still so many elements we still question about him getting no jail time. especially when you read the -- you go back over that police report. besides that, just rihanna, there was -- and correct me if i go astray here. we've got a stay away order, basically. he can't come within 50 yards of her. 10 yards of her if they're at the same event. now, she's saying she wants that -- those restrictions loosened a little bit? >> yes. >> and if so, why? what's going on here?
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>> i think it's that she wants to be with him. that's my personal opinion. i have no independent proof of that. but if somebody beat to you a pull. and there was a restraining order, would you want to lift the restraining order and make it less restrictive? and what possible reason would you have for that? unless you reconcile with that person on at least a friendship basis and possibly more. now, there have been tongues wagging, so to reports for exa north post page six that rihanna was seen in the hamptons. with a guy who had a connection to chris brown. we have no confirmation. it may not be true. but what over explanation is there that you want to lift the restriction? >> i hope he can become fully rehabilitat rehabilitated. i look at the plolice report an look at how he punched from the face. there is the photograph from
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tmz. let's real quick listen to the most recent apology. with all that said, we think he's got it. this is part of the most recent apology. let's listen, jane. >> i wish i had the chance to relive those moments again. but i can't. i'm not going to sit here and make excuses. i take great pride in me being able to exercise self control and what i did was inexcusable. >> he read the right things off the cue cards there. do you think he understands? >> listen, i think he is 20 years old and came from an environment where he saw this. i think we need to teach kids peaceful conflict resolution before they get in this kind of trouble. this is happening all over the country. we need to start dealing with this in cruschools. >> we are hearing about it with teens.
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