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race -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking news tonight. downtown shoppers stop in their tracks when a young mom is spotted dragging -- repeat, dragging her little boy, him, no more than three feet tall by the neck on a leash across the floor. look at this. the boy's being dragged like a dog. the child down on the floor in a pronal position. that's disgusting. here's what's even worse. nobody stopped her. she dragged him the length of the store and then some. well, if she does this in the verizon store in front of
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stunned shoppers, what will she do at home behind closed door, which, p.s., is exactly where she is tonight. back in the home with the child. at home? hey. police? have you ever heard the theory of lock the door and throw away the key? mommy needs to go to the big house. the big dollhouse. shocking video out of georgia shows a mother dragging her child by a leash through the store and she claims he liked it. the disturbing video was discovered after the investigators arrested the mother charged her with first degree cruelty to a child punishle by up to 20 years behind bars. 37-year-old mill let sa mean told cops she suffers from lupus and pneumonia and couldn't pick up her son who refused to walk. that's when she proceeded to drag the young boy across the floor. department of child and family services was notified. the boy was later released to
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his grandmother. and breaking news tonight. idaho. the desperate search for a little boy ends tonight. as we go to air, it is confirmed. the body of a little boy discovered floating in a local canal is that of 8-year-old robert manwill. the little boy missing from his mother's apartment complex seemingly vanishing into thin air. and in another major break, new information from a 7-year-old little girl is set to blow this case wide open. the investigation shiftling gears as new details emerge tonight and where. where's the mommy and the live-in when the little boy goes missing? >> the last hours of little robert manwill's life, the little 8-year-old found dead in a little irrigation canal. a little girl, 7 years oil, said she was playing outside with robert manwill the night he disappeared on july 24. she was on a green swing.
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he was on a red one. how do we get to that to finding one of these little kids dead? >> the tentative identification has been made as that of 8-year-old robert manwill. >> the coroner trying to determine the cause of death. again, he vanished on july 24 of what the please call suspicious circumstances. >> with the assistance of the fbi have located evidence that may, may bring us closer to finding out what happened. >> the evidence we've uncovered shows that there are suspicious circumstances regarding robert's disappearance. >> detectives say finding the body is the beginning of a brand new investigation. >> our system of justice demands that we focus on evidence. our investigative experience tells us that we cannot jump to conclusions. the police investigation into robert's disappearance continues and is very active. our priority remains in finding
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answers for robert's family and this community. also the mystery surrounding the sudden death of music icon michael jackson intensifies. questions still mount as to his sudden death and half a million dollar empire. after murder charges levied against them, the family claiming he was murdered. multiple search warrants, police seizing cell phone and computer hard drive images, vials of drugs, e-mails, rolodexes, scores of documents all from jackson's private live-in doctor. numerous drugs seized from jackson's home and records from multiple doctors connected to the superstar now under subpoena. but after 41 days, 41 days and a nights, jackson's body still on ice. no burial in sight. why? and why?
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why have there been no charges logged against those well healed doctors, the pharmacies, suppliers, and the entourage that doped up an addict until he died front of his children with blood allegedly on their hands. where is lady justice? >> breaking news out of court a judge has granted the mother. >> it was the singer's wish that michael junior, paris and blanket live with his mother, but what about debbie rowe? >> debbie rowe will get visitation as recommended by a psychologist. there will be no financial payments made to rowe except for the continuation of spousal
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support payments. >> but before all that was made official, major drama in the courtroom. >> dr. arnold klein's lawyer stepped up at the very beginning of the hearing and said that dr. klein wanted to have a role in the children's lives and the judge said on what basis? they went to a side bar, explained themselves, and went back, and the judge said no. >> this came out of nowhere and was all so bizarre because of all the talk out there that drchl klein may actually be the biological father of the kids. >> there's still a lot of animosity there and we probably haven't heard the last of that dispute. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to think you for being with us. busy downtown shoppers stopped in their tracks when a young mother was dragging, repeat, dragging her little boy, he's no bigger than three feet tall by his neck on a leash across the floor. now, if she'll do in in a verizon shore in front of stunned shoppers, what do you think she does at home behind closed doors?
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a georgia mother faces up to 20 years in jail after dispushing video captures her dragging her young son across the store by a leash. the mother, 37-year-old melissa means is charged with first degree cruelty to children. video shows the boy being pulled a against his will across the store while mom claims her son actually likes being pulled by a leash. she also sights multiple illnesses includes lupus and pneumonia saying she couldn't physically pick up the boy if she wanted to. police say he had a bruise on his neck from the leash. he was later released to his grandmother. >> straight out to eric with wrga a news radio. eric. this is highly disturbing. it's my understanding that when someone finally called police after all the people in the store just watched her drag the kid around on the floor, nobody stopped her, insane, when police
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finally got there, she tried to say she had pneumonia and lupus? >> yes. thank you, nancy. you have to wonder from the public standpoint if there wasn't some level of shock going on, the reason that people didn't call police any sooner. obviously it's not acceptable to be dragging a child through the store like that, unchecked -- >> but, but. >> go ahead. >> it's not unacceptable to many people in the crime and justice community, mr. gems, who call this a felony. but, please, go ahead. >> it is, in fact, a charge of first degree child cruelty which is, as you said, a felony. however, that's mostly due to the fact that it was an intentional act and that there was some physical damage to the child, although it was not the kind of injury that required any kind of treatment or hospitalization, and from witnesses since the act there appears to have been no long-term damage to the child. >> really. no long-term damage to a child being dragged through the store
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by a leash around the neck on the floor as he lie supine, prone, in a lying position, clutching at his neck. we are taking your calls live. out to rachel in illinois. hi, rash chel. >> caller: hi, nancy. with e love you. thanks for taking my call. >> did you see this video? >> caller: yes. i have a couple quick questions. if she has pneumonia and lupus, she would not have the strebt to drag the child through the verizon store. secondly there's conflict in her story. she couldn't pick him up to carry him or he liked to be dragged. i'm kunld oif confused. also is he the only child or is there more children in the house and is there any abuse named before that we know of? >> all good question. if she says sick, how does she drag him around the store that way? and, you know, i've had lucy and john david both when they don't
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want to be picked up, they kind of go limp and they'll sit down. they ooh don't care if they're in the middle of a store, at a burker king or out in a arc parking lot. they don't care. dragging them by the neck on a leash has never really been an a option. i want to go out to dr. william maroney, medical examiner forensic pathologist joining us out of madison heights, michigan. it's great to see you again. what can you tell me if this woman can drag her child by a leash on his neck like a dog how does lupus affect this? >> your caller make as really good point. an acute exacerbation of lupus and an acute exacerbation of pneumonia she would be lying down at home in bed. i takes a lot of strength to drag somebody. in a lupus flair somebody will
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have muscle weakness but she's tooling. she's hauling. >> matt, what can you tell me? are there other children and have there been any defikts, department of child and family service reports before? >> as far as we know, there were no previous reports before. however, dses was notified. the child was pud in the care and custody of the grand mother until she was released. >> isn't it true that the mother is back in the home tonight with the little boy? >> yes. she says i guess bad things happen to good people. >> everybody quickly, are you guilty of being our show's number one fan? send us your story as to why that fan is you. we're looking for standout stories and if your e-mail or i-report makes air, you own an autographed copy ofmy new book "the 11th victim" and a chance to come fly to new york and come to the set. everybody get busy with your
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a georgia mother faces up to 20 years in jail after disturbing video captures her dragging her young son across the store by a leash. >> the video is all over the intell net. the video lasts about 20 seconds pulling him throughout the verizon wireless store. >> 37-year-old mother melissa mean is charged with. >> i think this is a person who has a certain attitude about discipline which is, you know, not a good one. >> mom also cites multiple illnesses including lupus and pneumonia saying she couldn't physically picked up the boar if she wanted to. police say the boy had a bruise on the left side of his neck from a leash. >> if they're doing something pretty disgusting in public, then chances are they're doing at least that if not more in private. >> mom messed up here. clearly lost it as a parent. not what you want to do. but is it a felony?
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a woman dragging her child through a store in georgia. there it is. the kid's flat -- you know, we don't know a lot of the back story. you figure the kid was having some kind of tantrum. that's how mom handled it. end result here, she's charged with felony child cruelty. >> she doesn't look sick to me. oh, no. and mommy's out at the verizon wireless store where stunned shoppers see her dragging her child by the neck on a leash through the store, him lying there in a prone position, on a leash. the lawyers, joining me tonight, susan moss, renan rockwell and alex joining us out of nosh. go ahead, sue. >> she dragged her son by a leash? she should be in jail. ka peesh? what happens at home? do they make this kid sleep in a crate? look. if this wasn't her son and she
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grabbed some stranger by a neck with a leash, clearly a felony. just because it's her son, she should not be treated any differently. >> rene rockwell, earlier our reporter eric gems with wrga mentioned there was no lasting injury, which, of course, is not a requirement for felony child cruelty. i do know the child's neck was bruised and red from the leash around the neck. thoughts? >> nancy, i don't know that after they get down to the bottom of this investigation, i don't know that it's going to show that there was anything around the child's neck. this was one of these little monkey backpacks and if the truth be known, the child was probably enjoying it. the child's being dragged. you see it right now. you see it right now. the child is bug drug on the carpet, not from his neck, but from the backpack, the back of his backpack, and the mother's objecting to the video being only so long because she said
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after she stood off he was grabbing her by the legs. he probably thought it was a lot of fun. i don't see this going down as a felony. certainly no jail time. >> what can you tell me, matt zurrell about the child laughing? the video doesn't show he's happy and laughing. although it appears from this video he is not laughing. >> she said he wouldn't stand up, he wouldn't cooperate. he wouldn't have do what i was telling him to do. that's. i didn't hear anything about their a being a game they were playing. >> well, she through out a couple didn't excuses including pneumonia and couldn't list the child up. oh, yeah, my son likes the backpack and likes when i drag him. >> let's go out to mark class.
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>> i think 16 seconds worth of videotape is not enough to condemn a woman to 20 years in prison for. this could very well be certainly a bad judgment but a woman and her son young having a terribly bad day. >> a bad day. okay. mark klaas, i have to say, i'm surprised. alex sanchez, there's not going to be a 0-year jail sentence. that's not going to happen. 20-year jail to life jail senses for aggravated krieltdty or child krielty is a result of severe beating, cigarette burn, sodomy or raich. she's not going to get 20 years behind bars for this but in my mind it does rise to a crime. >> well, i disagree with you. i don't think it does rise to a crime and i think if you look at that videotape, i think we need to clarify very clearly. this was not a leash around the neck that you might find on a dog, and if you're pulling somebody with a leash like that, you may seriously hurt them.
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this was a different type of leash entirely. this child was not being hurt. it turns out he did not suffer any type of serious injury. so where's the crime? she's never been in trouble before. why don't we give her the benefit of the doubt. >> that's for a jury to do. say when a child is locked in a steaming hot minivan and left out in a parking lot for a couple of hours, the child doesn't die, it doesn't have heat stroke. it lives. so does that lessen what the parents did to the child? does it mean it didn't happen? >> there was no intention here. the child was not hurt. as mark said this was an isolated incident. >> you don't know that. >> a video of 16 seconds. i'm sure the department of child welfare is investigating whether or not -- >> hold on. dr. saunders, weigh in. >> whether the child enjoyed it or not is irrelevant. he's at risk. somebody could have stepped on his head. he could have swung into a
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corner and fractured his skull. it's dangerous. >> surveillance video of a mom dragging her child across the floor in a cell phone store. number one, are you going to do that at a cell phone store, someone's flipping on the cell phone video and that's what's happening here. dragging around her son lie like a dog on a leash. police locked her up. she's facing a felony.
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shocking video out of georgia shows a mother dragging her child by a leash through a store. and she claims he liked it. the disturbing video was discovered after investigators arrested the mother, charging her with first-degree cruelty to a child, punishable by up to 20 years behind bars. 37-year-old mom melissa means told cops she suffers from lupus and pneumonia and could p pick up her son who was refusing to walk. that's when she proceeded to drawing the young boy across the floor. department of family & children services were notified. the boy was later released to his grandmother.
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>> out to the lines. beverly in new york. hi, beverly. >> caller: hi, nancy. welcome back. >> thank you. >> caller: i have a question and a comment. >> okay. >> caller: i want to know why our society has become so insensitive to this dysfunctional behavior. and my question is why is he reunited with his mom now? >> that's my big question tonight, beverly in new york. i want to go to architecture gems at wrgc radio. eric i understand this was one of those back pack leashes that he was wearing. i've seen a lot of them. my question is why is the child back in the home with the mother tonight, and are they being supervised? >> to my knowledge there is no intense or very minimal superficial soup vilgs. they looked at her prior record,
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of which there was none and they determined it was a safe environmental for the child to return to. >> here are photos of various monkey harnesses from amazon.com. laura in north carolina. hi, dear. >> caller: hello, nancy. thank you for taking my call. >> yes, ma'am. >> caller: i am concerned about the child welfare. this is ridiculous. it's all over the country. look at the children who are dead because mothers were allowed to drag or beat and society does nothing and officials do nothing. >> you know, to doctor pa trish a saunders. clinical psychologist it's my information from trying so many cases being in the courthouse for over a decade that a crimes on children are treated less seriously. there are lighter sentences. murderer cases are dropped down to voluntary manslaughters. i don't understand that. why the attitudes? >> the only thing i can think of
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is people have the mythology that children get over things and they're not as vulnerable as they, in fact are. >> this is a person who has a different attitude about discipline which is not a good one. it doesn't teach your child anything. it humiliates your child. it harms your child. cock-a-doodle-do.
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in only 10 minutes. (announcer) perdue perfect portions. >> the body of the boy found in the new york canal on monday has been positively identify this afternoon as that of 8-year-old robert manwill. preliminary results from the autopsy give us reason to believe that 8-year-old robert manwill's death was not an accident. >> the time line of the night robert manwill vanished has been murky but now has the investigation been blown wide open. an idaho state report claims a 7-year-old gill who lives in the neighborhood saw robert the night he disappeared, the little girl certain she saw robert on
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the complex swing set even seeing him jump off to play on the toy motorcycle. the girl's parents think she came home around 10:30. the time the mother says he left the pant. it has the authoritieses out in full force trying to determine who might be responsible for robert's death. >> the case is now being vested by boise police department as a hom sigh. there remains no evidence that robert was abducted by a stranger. we believe we will determine how and when robert died and who is responsible, and we will hold those responsible for robert's death accountable. >> nancy: it is very clear from the words on the police, you're hearing a press release that is just happening as we go to air
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tonight, that someone intentionally killed an 8-year-old little boy, an 8-year-old little boy. what is that? second grade? a second grader? his body has been found in a nearby body of water. who killed this child? and disposed of his body in this waterway? and another thing, out to you clark, our producer on the story. this is what i don't understand. i'm not getting a clear picture of what mommy and her live-in have to say about the time line. didn't we get the stories from somewhere that they thought the little boy, an 8-year-old, had gone to a party at 7:30 at night? i don't get it. my twins are in their pajamas at home at 7:30 at night. >> yes, nancy. there are conflicting stories on what happened. we had heard two versions of events. the first version being that he
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had asked his mom to go to a party and left anyway. the other version we're also hearing is that robert was at a playground at around 7:30 at night. when back to his apartment and that advances the timeline there. now, there is breaking news at a press conference that just concluded moments ago. law enforcement has positively identify robert manwill. repeat, we can confirm that this is robert manwill's body. law enforcement also saying they have reason to believe this was not an extent but it may be a murder. >> not an accident. out to greg hahn a, the editor of "idaho statesman." thanks for being with us. what can you tell us about new witness emerging, a 7-year-old little girl? >> we first started hearing about her a couple of days ago. we finally talked to her yesterday. and, in fact, the little girl had a very clear memory. sh e told her parents as soon as they heard that night that robert was missing. she remembered what color swing
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she was on, what color swing he was on. and like he just said, shehe pld on the motorcycle a little bit and went home. it's really the closest we could get to somebody who saw him that day. >> nancy: she said they were on a swing. one was on a red swing. one was on a rgreen swing. she said he went to play on a motorcycle. why was he on a motorcycle. >> a little rocking swing. >> nancy: i get it. it was scary to me that some unknown person may have park add motorcycle there. so next thing he went home from playing on the playground. the child knows that because she sees his apartment from the playground. was it, for instance, a horseshoe-shaped apartment complex? was the playground in the middle?
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>> it is -- not all the apartments can be seen from the playground and i'm not 100% sure. i'm not sure where they all line up, but i think she said he was going home and she said she was going home and it was about 7:30. >> nancy: 7:30 p.m. and greg hahn, was this a week night or weekend night? >> this is friday night. and here -- i should point out. it does stay light pretty late in boise zi. >> nancy: yes. until 9:00. we're taking your cars. mark a klaas, why did mommy quit coming to the press conferences? >> i don't know why but i do know at 7:30 p.m. starts to establish a time line that maybe is a little bit believable. for the first time in this case and it's been problematic all the way through because we never ru knew where the little boy was last seen or who he was with. at least law enforcement is
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starting to hone in on something like this. i know when law enforcement confirmed to her that it was probably her son in the canal that she was escorted away from the police department, that she was crying and she was being supported by a couple of people and that the family then asked for their privacy. and that, quite frankly, is very consistent were the very same experience that we had when we were informed that pauley had been found. >> i understand. and that makes perfect sense to me. mark klaas who's joining us from san francisco. founder of class a kids foundation. we're taking your calls. tracy in north carolina. >> caller: hi, tracy. thank you for take ug my call. >> nancy: thank you. what's your question. >> caller: i can't understand why that mother would have custody of that little boy after she already had a child, which i understand, is a head injury. and why in god's name would somebody give her a child and she's already abused one
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assumptionly. i can't understand it. it breaks my heard. >> nancy: it to clark, our producer of the story. explain to me what happened to the other child. >> just whun explanation. she didn't have custody of the child. she had visitation rights. >> nancy: wait, wait, wait, wait. what child? who is she? use pronouns, clark. >> robert manwill whose mom's name is melissa scott jenkins. she didn't have custody. she had visitation rights. i'm soirs, nancy. i stand corrected. >> nancy: she didn't have custody. what happened? >> it was a young child. she pled fwlt to misdemeanor injury of a child. reports show she apparently fractured the child's skull by strike him against a hard surface. >> nancy: repeat.
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>> she pled guilty to misdemeanor charge of injury to a child. she apparently from court records struck the child's head on a hard surface and caused contusion injury. >> nancy: and what was her sentence in that case, clark goldband? >> well, she was sentenced to 29 days work release and paid a fine of $75.50. >> nancy: no patienting classes? no jail time? no nothing? and then she's got unsupervised visitation with this child? >> that's our understanding. >> nancy: okay. let's go to the lawyers, susan moss, rene rockwell, alex sanchez, what about it? >> add to the picture that the first story that was reported in the press was that she said that this 8-year-old wanted to go to a party at 9:30. now, an 8-year-old has to be pretty hardy to go to a party. the time line is ridiculous.
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it's so fabricate and ridiculous that it wouldn't have done any good to help solve the case. >> we're taking your calls live on this case. what happened to the 8-year-old little boy. as we go to air, the police press are stating his death is not an accident. why did this 8-year-old little boy die? who is responsible for killing this child and discarding his body in a local waterway? we are taking your calls. we want justice. for robert manwill. very quickly, to tonight's safety tips on preventing fires. please, be aware of potential hazards this your home. lots of home fires are caused by electrical devices installed improperly. check those appliances, cords, outlet, cooking, also the leading cause of house fires. don't leave your food unsupervised on the stove or in the oven. turn the pot handles in so they won't be accidently knocked over
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e. and keep those fire extinguishers handy. don't smoke in bed. put out cigarettes before you throw them in the trash. never let children play with matches or lighters. make sure smoke alarms are working. and change the batteries every year. it's not that hard. have a fire escape plan. for more, go to the national fire prevention association at n, f as in frank, p pauley, a, alpha.org.
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and to find answers to what happened to cut short the life of this little boy. this is now a criminal investigation. and our justice system demands criminal investigations mo matter how complex be thorough and methodical. please understand we cannot compromise the legal procedures and the integrity of this very important case with a premature release of investigative details. >> nancy: to dr. william maroney joining us out of madison heights, michigan. dr. maroney, the child's body has been under water for some time. how can they look at a it and know this this was not an accident. translation. it was a homicide. if it was not an accident that only leaves suicide and homicide. >> what they're going to do is look at radiographic x-rays and those x-rays are possibly going to show signs of trauma.
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they're going to look for bruises. and all those things are not going to be related to accidents. they're going to be related to abuse because perpetrators do the same thing. have the same model over and over. >> nancy: out to bill majewski, former nypd detective. he's now president of majewski associates. bill, as always, thank you for bing with us. bill, what do you make of the 7-year-old little girl who blows open the time line. this child was not going to any party as we were told before. an 8-year-old out at a party at 7:30 at night. that's simply b.s. >> i think she has become an integral part of this investigation. the chief in this press conference spoke volumes saying there was no evidence linking some kind of an abduction from an outsider or a strarjer. it's clear to me that they are on to something with their investigative process. they're probably very close to reaching a conclusion on that process. he's somewhat apologetic about not giving information to the
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public, which is the correct thing to do. >> nancy: yes. >> it's going to wind up being something that's very close. the young girl that gave the information, it's extremely interesting information and important information because it now establishes a new time line that the police can go forward on. they can go back, reinterview a lot of people, and move forward on this very quickly. >> nancy: everyone, we're taking your calls live. but very quickly, why no charges? a bunch of well healed medical physicians, pharmacies, and and entourage, they gave dope to a known addicten until he died in front of his own children. yes. i'm talking about michael jackson. take a listen. >> the parties and the california court brought about a result that is selfless and wise. everyone's got the same objective, doing what was best
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for the children of debbie rowe and michael jackson. >> breaking news out of los angeles, a judge has granted michael jackson's mother katharine custody of his three children. last week she and michael's ex-wife debbie rowe came to a custody agreement over the two older kids. >> rowe waved her parental rights in 2001 telling a los angeles court, quote, they are his children, all part of an $8.5 million settlement in which the pop star got full custody. >> the battle over jackson's assets, of course, is also center stage as katharine jackson seems to gain some control over his multi-million dollar estate. she and his children will all get monthly allowances. >> she's getting 40% of the estate and the kids get the other 40 and she's the guardian. she has a role and right to know things. the issue here is katharine's lawyers saying they're kept in the dark and there seems to be a veil of suspicion over what's in the estate.
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>> mrs. jackson wants a seat at the table. she wants control and some money. >> anybody who tries to contest this will on any level, whether it's with the executors or with anything, they're not living out michael's wishes. >> nancy: you know what? forget about the money. forget about the will. forget about the fact that jackson was charged with child molestation because right now we're looking at a homicide investigation, a potential homicide investigation, and to you, allen duke, entertainment, cnn wire, here's the thing. i had to argue to many juries. when i had a dope murderer. a lot of people are happy when a dope dealer is dead. they're grateful. but that's not the point. the point is did a murder take place regardless of who the victim is? lady just cities is supposed to be blind, remember? i guarantee you if i shot somebody up in the neck with propofol and they died an hour later of a cardiac arrest? i would be under the jail right now.
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>> well, we can expect that there eventually will be charges. there's a very vigorous investigation. >> it's been 41 days, allen. >> well, and there have been searches. we don't know when there might be charges brought. we do know that almost a week ago the los angeles district attorney met with the coroner and the detectives from the los angeles police department. at the end of that meeting the coroner emerged or a spokesman for the coroner emerged and said they have no idea when they're going to release the autopsy results. we confirmed today it's not coming this week. it's not coming this week. >> allen joe sted, autopsy results aside, when they're going to be released, fine. we knew they were going to be slow in releasing that and the toxicology reports. what i'm wondering are there going to be charges because thee are well healed educated doctors, pharmacy, famous celebrities hangers-on, nobody's going to do anything. >> well, nancy, as allen
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mentioned, we do know of about at least five searches. you've got dr. conrad murray's offices in houston, his offices in las vegas, and way back in the beginning of the investigation, lapd spokespenn said three different warrants served in los angeles. >> nancy: i want to thank you so much for all of your calls and e-mails about my book, "the eventh victim. kts it comes out august 11. of course after lucy pictured here who grabbed it first it's about a prosecutor who tries her best to give up criminal law and start a new life but when her friends are murdered one by one, the nypd hones in on her. it took me years to write this book. i started when i first left felony prosecution and i miss it so much. since then i wrote another book and published it.
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>> i want to applaud debbie rowe. she faced difficulties and pressures none of us know, and today's agreement shows that she responded with heart, integrity, and selflessness. >> straight out to kelly zinc. kelly, come on. the guy had fresh needle marks in his neck. he didn't do that himself. >> we don't know exactly what happened. a source says dr. murray did administer the drug propofol to michael jackson but until the toxicology report comes back we can't name him as the suspect.
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no matter how many searches or what people are saying until the evidence comes back we can't convict this guy until we know what killed him. >> scarlet, hi, scarlet. >> caller: hi, nancy. my question is as sheltered as the children were and the fact that they were there at the time of death, why aren't these children having a psych evaluation? if there was any other person i believe that cps would step in and do that to the children. why isn't that happen oing to these children. >> nancy: dr. saunders? >> i think that's a very good point. we don't know what else they witnessed when their father was on drugs. >> what about when this custody deal was done. >> nancy: rene? >> well, nancy, i think we don't know what's going on with the children. there's so many factors going on with the fight, the grandfather potentially coming in and having access to the kids, their grandmother. >> nancy: what about it, alex? >> more likely than not these kids probably were evaluated. they're probably seeing a sigh
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doll gist or counsellor at the present moment to help them adjust to the situation. >> nancy: the only photos we have seen of them are around a swimming pool. everybody, let's stop and resch army staff sergeant eric kubon, 21st. on second tour. left arlington to reenlist. a green beret highly decorated. awarded a purple heart. life of the party. big heart. loved sports. favorite team, texas ranger, dallas mavericks and new york giants leaves bhient parents and brothers. eric caban, an american hero. thanks to our guests and thank you to being with me and thank you to the wonderful family who dumped our cars off this morning so we could make it to the airport and i could come back to work with the twins. everybody, i'll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern and not until then.
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good night, friends. coming up next on issues, double lives and toxic secrets. a 48-year-old guy who worked for a decade at a lawmaker worked out. seemed normal on the service sur fast. depose into the health club and turn ostown lights in the aerobics class and mows down, killing three women and leaving nine others injured. this guy turns out on his blog that he was rejected by women. complained he hadn't had sense since 1990, no gill friend since 1984. blamed everybody in the world including his own family. apparently never looked at hymn. why was he tagging four guns and 30 round ammo clips? we're going to analyze this horrifying case and the significance of toxic secrets. we're also going to tell you the very latest on robert manwill,
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