how evil can it get. a newlywed trying to hire a hitman to kill her husband. they've only been married six months. but the hitman turned out to be an undercover cop. plus, new disturbing videos of a man who would eventually wipe out three women he didn't even know in a rampage at a gym. leaving a 15-year-old boy without a mom, parents, who is this sick man who committed this heinous act. call in, the number, 1-877-tell-hln. you can e-mail us, cnn.com/primenews, or text us at hlntv, just start your message with the word prime.

it's your chance to be heard. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. an in-depth look into the mind of a murderer. the man who entered an aerobics class near pittsburgh. police say he was hell-bent on shooting them because they're women. we're just getting a look at videos of this sick man posted online last year. here's a clip. >> it is easy for me to hide from my emotions for one more day. take a long drive in the car, listen to some music, daydream, or just do some mundane task around the house that really doesn't need to be done that's not too important. and there you go. one more day. and one more day turns into one more year. >> chilling, almost hearing words from the grave there. not only do we know that he killed three women, there are

pictures of two of the dead, and shot a pregnant woman. that's the lady on the far right. she was the one injured. shot her twice in the shoulder. thankfully she's going to be okay. as always, we take your calls, call in 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining me to talk about this, welcome back brian russell, forensic psychologist. also with us, don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. and jill king greenwood, police reporter for the "pittsburgh tribune review." brian, i've got to start with you as we listened to that. and from the blog posts, this is a guy, hated life, didn't have any hope. obviously hated women. what else do you see in that one clip we saw? >> four key lessons in this case. one is, there are always warning signs in these cases. they may go unnoticed, but there are always warning signs. number two, this case beautifully illustrates the narcissism that i'm always saying is at the core of these things. just like we saw at virginia tech. this guy fet slighted by a human segment of humanity and felt

entitled to exact revenge on randomly selected members of that group. three, this guy beautifully illustrates how it's not always mental illness pulling the trigger, it can just be plain evil. because people like this guy know what they're doing and know it's wrong. he even wrote on his blog whether or not he could get into heaven after committing mass murder. the fourth thing is a warning for all of our female viewers out there, i don't want to scare you, but guys like this are out there trolling the internet trying to meet you. you have really got to be so, so careful on social networking sites and dating sites. >> that's a good point. we have an e-mail concerning that. we'll get into that a little bit later, brian. i want to go to jill, reporter "pittsburgh tribune review." we just saw those postings. do we know when they were posted, jill? >> no, we haven't been able to determine exactly when they were posted. >> near this time? do we know it's in the last couple of weeks? do we think it was more like last year? >> his blog postings date back

to last summer. he talked originally about carrying this plan out last year. and put it off, and decided he would do it right after the new year. posted he bought the guns and everything, but he, quote, chickened out at the last minute. and he didn't post for a while and posted then again in may. >> jill, any neighbors, anybody who knew him talking now? are we getting that second look at him and people second-guessing what they saw in him? >> yeah, i talked to a couple of neighbors yesterday and today. and, you know, it's pretty much the same consistent theme. they said that he was a little odd, a little off. there was always something a little strange there. but he was generally pretty friendly. you know, they said they would chitchat, he would talk. but not social at all. the neighbor he talked with the most across the street and down a few houses said she never saw him have visitors, other than his mother and a woman she believed was his sister. but never saw him have a picnic or barbecue.

he never decorated for the holidays. you know, put up a christmas tree or anything like that. she never saw ne social activity at his house. >> brian, does that all fit, odd, off, strange, chitchat a little but not really social at all? >> yeah. a lot of times in these cases we have neighbors and friends saying, i didn't really know there was anything that wrong with the person. mostly what that speaks to is how little they knew the person. unfortunately, i don't want anyone out there watching to feel guilty, but probably somebody knew. somebody had come across those blogs and didn't think it meant anything. hln has the smartest viewers in television, and if you come across something like this that disturbs and alarms you, i would go with that gut, and call the cops. you know, the worst that can happen, or if it turns out it's nothing, fine. but i'm guessing that probably somebody out there did know. and like i said, i don't want them to feel guilty now, but it shows you why you've got to drop a dime. >> jill, did you talk to anybody who had that sentiment, that deep down they knew this guy

could do something that would shock us? maybe not to this degree, but they knew something was really wrong here? >> no. people said that, there's something off, but they all just expressed absolute shock and horror that he actually went to these lengths. nobody claims to have seen it coming. >> let's bring in don clark, special agent in charge. as you hear us talking there, the undercurrent is, what can we learn from this. what do you do with this as an investigator? as far as the case goes, he did it. where do we go next, don? >> mike, you saw looking into this person's background, i think it's ryan that's on there with us, you talk about that, you look in the background and you find out what can you do based on that background to try to prevent these from happening. that's what law enforcement has to be a lot about today, is preventing these from happening. i lived through virginia tech with cnn for many, many hours, and we talked about these very same things, of people coming in, innocent and everybody says, well, yeah, he was a little strange, he was a little bit

different but then he does that. the next end of that, mike, is to try to get security on that end. if we're going to have gun laws the way they are today, we're going to have to have some mechanisms in place, whether it's magnetometers or other devices to see who's bringing guns in where they shouldn't be. >> guys, we'll take a quick break. when we come back, we'll hear from george sodini again. he pulled off such a heinous act. he's going to take us inside his home, and the heart of the tour of this house is how it should impress women. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.

my computer.

let me pan out a little bit. computer is connected to the stereo, which i listen to my mp3s and everything else. pan to the other side, speakers on each side. they're large. they double as end tables. okay. couch and chair, they match. the woman will really be impressed. come over here. there's some reading material that we're all familiar with. >> that was george sodini, the man who killed three women, shot nine others before killing himself. this is at a gym just outside of pittsburgh. always with him in the back drop is how women rejected him. we have our panel standing by. here's an e-mail coming in from melissa in indiana. i think when he said that 30 million women rejected him, it's because he may have been on a dating sirt where 30 million women are signed up and none, or few, were interested. brian, that's to your point.

that we don't know whether or not he was on a dating site. but women have to be careful out there. >> you've got to be so, so careful. look at the narcissism. look at the self-focus and the sense of entitlement to have a woman in his life that you get out of that video. what's fascinating to me, mike, is that he expresses this idol oh tri and this longing for younger women. but look who he killed, mike. he killed people who were -- women who were more his own age. what that says to me is the root of this is some kind of sleight that he had long in the past by his contemporaries. >> failure with women his own age. the book we saw on the coffee table was something to the effect of "date young women." i guess maybe he felt he was a failure with women his own age, so brian, to your point. let's get a call in real quick. leslie is with us from the pittsburgh area. leslie, go ahead. leslie? we lost leslie from that pittsburgh area. amy's with us in florida. amy, go ahead. we're whiffing here on the

calls. we lost amy as well. again, we love hearing from you, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. jill, any other points to make as we move forward on his family? what's his family saying at this point? because he rips his family in his blog. rips his dad for basically being nonexistent, his brother bullied him. are they saying anything, jill? >> we only know about his mother and sister. he was sort of sympathetic to his sister in his blog. >> that's right. >> the only family member he showed any empathy towards. but they just issued a statement basically saying their thoughts and prayers are with the deceased and injured. they haven't responded to any requests for interviews. not returning any messages. we don't know where they stand. we do know that he called his mother right before he walked into the gym, turned out the lights and opened fire. evidently he told her that he was going to kill a bunch of people and that he didn't expect to survive the rampage. but we do not know if she then

in turn called the police, or alerted anybody. but she did call him back, and it was probably right about the time he was shooting up the gym. >> so he actually had a conversation with her to tell her his plan, right before it happened? >> yeah. i don't believe it was very detailed. i don't think he said specifically, but he did say i'm going to kill a bunch of people and i don't think i'm gk to survive it. >> that's a shocking revelation right there. guys, we have to leave it there. brian, don, jill, thanks so much. >> thank you. it's been two years since little madeleine mccann disappeared. vanished without a trace. a witness has come forward with information that has investigators now searching for a victoria beckham look-alike? we want to know what's going on here. let's bring in richelle carey. >> this new lead started in barcelona, spain, three days after madeleine vanished. investigators that worked for the mccann family say a victoria

beckham look-alike said something to a british man outside a bar, very late at night, which suggested that she knew something about madeleine's face. so why did it take so long for him to come forward? he's claiming personal reasons. all right? here's the sketch of the mystery woman that's being handed out to police. we don't have a name. all we know is the 30-something-year-old may be from australia, and is possibly fluent in spanish. at one point, portuguese authorities had named the girl's parents a suspect as well as a man living in portugal. they have all been cleared. the official missing persons case for madeleine mccann closed a year ago. this current investigation where all these leads are coming from, this is actually privately funded. so it does seem strange, but, you know, this is an investigation, the parents want answers. >> looking for any break. richelle, thanks for that. updating you on little

haleigh cummings, missing almost six months now. while that search continues, trouble with her dad, ron, he gets arrested. apparently, allegedly ron cummings and the family of his new wife, misty crossland, they get into it. ron going to blows with misty's brother.

coming up on our next hour, we're revisiting a story we told you about. a mom charged for dragging her child on a leash. there's the video. this is true a verizon wireless store. obviously someone flipped on a cell phone video. she claims she could not pick up her child because she was weak. she's suffering from lupus and pneumonia. all right. she says she felt sick. so instead she didn't have the strength to pick him up but had the strength to drag him. what do you think? she was charged with felony child cruelty. we'll take your calls on this, 1-877-tell-hln.

now to this story. another update. it's been nearly six months, believe it or not, little haleigh cummings is still missing. what's going on in the midst of the search? we're going to talk about the search in a minute. but also some goings on at the house. we're hearing her father, ron cummings, was charged with felony burglary and with assault. police in putnam county, florida, say he got in a knock-down drag-out with his new brother-in-law. many of us were shocked in the first place when he married misty crossland, his 17-year-old girlfriend, in the midst of the search for his little daughter haleigh. joining us to talk about it, don clark, fbi former special agent in charge. and t.j. hart, program news director sky in gainesville, florida. t.j., what do we have here? it's ron cummings fisticuffs against misty's brother, hank jr.? is that what we have? >> it's almost a full-blown family affair. about 11:30 last night, ron got

a surprise visit. what had happened was, this is when the police report from the deputy who took the report, upon speaking with misty, she stated that she talked to her brother on the telephone. that would be hank crossland jr. she asked him why he had been calling the house all day. he said he just wanted to come over. she said, no, it's late. but he came over anyway. and also in the vehicle was, i guess her mother and her father as well. when they got there, that's when it got a little tenuous there. hank jr. wanted to speak with misty. she said no, no. ron came out. a family member said that he looked like he was just wired up on something. now, that's just their statement. you know, anger can do things to people. you can get a real odd look on your face if you're angry. right now there's nothing to suggest that he was on anything. but the altercation began with words. and then became physical. ron's grandmother, annette sykes, came out and ordered him

back into the house. he started going back in. and then the altercation started up again. and i believe at this time misty got hit in the face twice by her family members. >> she was in the midst trying to break it up, right? >> right. i guess she got hit in the face by her own father. when it was all over, again ron was headed toward the house and then a third time it breaks out. this time he goes over and it's alleged that he tried to pull him out of the van. that's where the burglary comes in. but just an old-fashioned -- >> late night brawl, yeah. one of the accounts from one of the involved parties, correct me if i'm wrong, t.j., is that misty called, saying i want out, come help, right? >> that is what one of the family members is stating. that is what hank jr. and i think lisa was talking about. if i'm not mistaken, in the lengthy report. m misty turned around to ask her

brother where he was calling the house so often. so it's not clear who called whom. i guess the phone records will get that all taken care of. it appears perhaps she wanted to leave and changed her mind. hank did not want to -- hank sr., the dad, did not want to make any kind of statement or press any charges because he didn't want to upset his daughter. but ron, first of all, told police, look, i don't want to talk to anybody until i see a lawyer. i want my right to remain silent. however, when he did go into the sheriffs office for booking, he did make a few statements. >> he did talk like everybody else. so he wanted to have his say-so as well. we've laid that out for you. when we come back, we'll bring don clark in on the conversation. what do you do with this? and most important, we want to find out what is the latest in the search for little haleigh, missing for almost six months now. we'll take your calls, your comments, your questions, your theories, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news." cash for clunkers, senate vote expected tonight. will the program get the extra $2 billion it needs to stay alive? that, and ali velshi to answer your personal finance questions. you can ask questions about cash for clunkers as well. ali standing by. always great information from ali. call in, 1-877-tell-hln. we want to hear from you on this story as well. how evil can a person get? a newlywed in boynton beach, florida, accused of trying to hire a hitman to kill her husband. she unknowingly hired an undercover cop to do the job. police planned this elaborate sting operation, faking her husband's death, calling her to the staged murder scene.

they catch her entire tearful reaction on tape. in the end, she's arrested, and she comes face to face with not only the hitman, but her husband who is alive and well. how about that. call in, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. here to talk about it, we've got our expert panel joining us. jennifer is here with us, criminal defense attorney. and also with us, stephanie slater, she's a spokeswoman for the boynton beach police department. we have the video clip of the reaction. now, this is -- correct me if i go astray, stephanie, this is the murder scene, or fake murder scene is staged, cops call up the wife and tell her, come on in. and they break the news to her. watch and listen to her reaction. >> no, no!

no! no! >> there it is. stephanie, were there any actual tears coming out as we listened to that? >> no, there was a lot of sobbing, and her arm wavering and trembling. but there was no wetness in her eyes. >> so how were these officers able to keep a straight face then? >> they're very good at their jobs. >> they wanted to laugh, huh? knowing what we know now? and even knew then. they knew. >> they did a very good job of playing the role. >> all right. let's back track a little bit, stephanie, and we'll try to go through this chronologically. how did you guys get wind of this in the first place, that she allegedly wanted to have him

killed? >> we received an anonymous call on friday night from a confidential informant, who said that dalia wanted to hire someone to kill her husband. and on saturday afternoon, she and that confidential informant met in a car at a gas station to make those arrangements. it was at that time that she gave the confidential informant $1,200 to be given to the hitman to buy a handgun that would be used as the murder weapon. >> the confidential informant is who, a friend? >> that's part of the investigation. >> okay, okay. so three people here. you've got the wife, informant, and the informant tells you guys, correct? >> correct. the informant called boynton beach police, and the informant then helped us in putting our undercover officer, who was playing the role of the hitman, in touch with dahlia. >> how long was this plot in the works, from the time dalia got in touch with the hitman who turned out to be an undercover

police officer? >> that was monz afternoon. on monday afternoon she met this undercover officer, who she believed was a hitman, in a car, in a parking lot outside of a cvs, and it was during that encounter she was asked numerous times by this undercover, are you sure you want to do this? at one point she laughed and said, i will be very happy. and at that point she, again, she also said, i'm not going to change my mind. i'm $5,000% sure i want it done. when i set my mind to something, i get it done. >> wow. so this is monday. so when does this go down, this video we're looking at here, the whole elaborate scheme? >> that was yesterday morning about 6:30 in the morning. >> i've got to ask you this. and we'll get back to the chronology of this. why was this posted on youtube? and the cameras here, what, cameras from the show "cops"? how did that work out? >> no, the cameras were actually the crime scene sergeant who videotaped the video that you see. the reason it's on youtube is because, for almost a year and a

half now, the police department has had a youtube channel. i post all of our videos on there. as wa way to get them to our local media, because the files are sometimes too big to e-mail. and anything that i give to the local media, i give to the public, because it's a public record. >> so there's no way trial case against her is going to be compromised because it was out before it was resolved and gone to court? >> no. public record. >> okay. let's get -- jennifer, you want in on that real quick? >> well, i find it very questionable tactic to post videos that are going to be used, presumably, as evidence against this woman at some point. i question that strategy, that protocol. and i do think it can compromise the case. and can actually prejudice her and prevent her from getting a fair trial. this specific case, obviously she has a lot to answer to, dalia that is. i think it's a terrible practice if the police department makes

it a habit of posting videos that they take in the course of their investigation, and even arresting suspects. >> stephanie, do you want to respond to that? >> no, she's entitled to her opinion. >> okay. it was a question i had, and jennifer ran with it there on the front of, could this not compromise the case. let's get back to a couple other things, and we'll hit on other topics as well. one thing i want to know is. after the video we saw there, she gets arrested, and i believe we have a clip of her as she's  being arrested denying everything. let's listen to dalia here. >> i didn't do anything. and i didn't plot anything. >> dalia, why did you do it? >> stephanie, so she denied the whole way through, huh? never fessed up, even though it seems to me she was caught cold here. >> correct, she never said anything. >> so what happens -- explain -- lay the picture out for us when -- i guess it was the police station and she's confronted by her husband. how did that go down?

>> right of the she was brought back to the police department, where she spoke with detectives. and at some point she was told that the undercover that she met with in the car was actually an undercover police officer. he was brought into the room and she was asked, do you know this man, and she said no. and then he was led out of the room. it was at that point we let her know her husband was alive and well and in the room next door. >> did they have a face-to-face? >> yeah, at one point we did walk him by the room so she could see him and see in fact he was fine. >> what was the look on her face at that point? do we know? >> yes, she actually said, oh, my god. and then she started saying his name. >> wow. okay. we're going to take a quick break. when we come back, we're going to hear from the husband. surprise, surprise, honeymoon's over. take your calls as well.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing this wild story of a woman accused of hiring a hitman to kill her husband. they'd only been married six months. it turns out that hitman was an undercover cop. this plot foiled. the reaction in the police station, when this lady, the wife, is confronted with her husband, who's alive and well. she says, oh, my god, and starts saying his name. what's the husband's reaction?

let's listen to michael dippolito. >> there was a lot 6 funny stuff going on. i overlooked a lot of things. you know, you try and see the best in people, not the worst. just divorce me and take everything, that's the best way, right? i don't understand. >> you've got to love his attitude there. why don't you just divorce me? you don't have to kill me there. let's bring back stephanie slater, with the boynton beach police department. stephanie, after all that we went through, let's get back to the basic question, what's the motive here to have him killed? >> we still don't know her motive, because she did not talk to detectives. >> okay. so family, friends, no one is -- we haven't gone that far? at least -- that's reporting work we're going to have to do as we try to sniff out what happened here. folks want to chime in on this story. laurie in alabama, go ahead. laurie? >> caller: yes. i just thought it was pathetic.

>> having trouble hearing you, lorraine. >> caller: i thought it was pathetic. i've never seen anything like it. >> it's unbelievable, isn't it? married six months, and we still don't have any kind of a real motive here. with the husband saying, not only did we just hear the husband talking, michael, he thinks he missed some things, suspicious signs. stephanie, can you talk about that? anything that he let on that things that were happening around the house that is now adding up to him? >> i can't get anything of that. it's part of the investigation. >> jennifer, criminal defense attorney. jennifer, it seems we watched this play out. it seems like they've got her cold. what kind of defense could she come with? >> well, i think it's interesting that the police department is really making us all privy to their entire investigation from start to finish, every step of the way. as a defense attorney, you know, it's very questionable to me. in some ways i'm enjoying it,

i'm glad to see. i didn't hear miranda warnings as she was being placed in that police car. it also provides a good deal of information. but it does seem to be a very difficult case for dalia. but the police really enjoyed doing this whole elaborate setup, and i'm not sure what the -- what her coming to the house and the feigned response, if it was feigned, actually added to it. i think there's more of a story here. i'm curious about a motive myself. and i can't say what the defense is yet, but there are a lot of unanswered questions. and i find that the way the police handled it, very curious. >> let's bring in don clark, former fbi agent in charge. don, it seems like they have her, right? do you question at all us knowing all of this and having the cameras there and having it posted on youtube? >> you know, i really do, mike. i really agree with the defense attorney. i hardly ever do that, but i really do this time. to just get all of the information out there, the question is why.

i mean, murders for hire is not something new. they've been around for a long time. and conducting these things, they're usually kept very, very confidential. and even after the activities and the processes that they go through, and it only comes out in the courtroom. and i would think that it would be better for the -- i know it would be better for the police and prosecution's case to bring out their evidence in the courtroom, without letting it go out on youtube and some of these other places. >> don, you're saying it's good they taped it. they've got it all on tape. great evidence. >> absolutely. you've got to tape these things so you don't get anybody backing out, unless you air it in some way and did something that caused it to be in jeopardy. but other than that, you've got to tape it. >> do you see anything wrong, don, so far? >> i don't see anything wrong with, from what i've heard up to this small amount, with the detective, the police officer getting the information down, as long as the person, the police officer is not prompting the conversation, and not contributing to it, and enhancing it itself.

let the person who hired you do the talking. and you do the listening. and i think you're okay. >> yeah. and jennifer, isn't that what you're seeing as well? they just tell her, they go along with the elaborate scheme here, your husband is dead and we see the reaction. >> we're seeing that part of it. but the actual solicitation we haven't heard. all we hear is the spokesperson telling us what they captured. and that's coming from the spokesperson. i can't wait to hear the actual tapes. >> mike, excuse me. i'm sorry, but i think the solicitation of it, i would be very surprised at this point if you heard the solicitation over the air and over the network like we're doing. that's the basis of their case. that will be the substance of their case is how did the police officer get involved with this lady. and was the police officer leading her along, or was he taking advice because she wanted this thing done. >> okay. wild story. let's say that. it seems they've got her. but we'll see how it plays out. jennifer, seeing something for

the defense attorney to pick up on. as we would expect from you u jennifer. good talking to you. don, you as well. coming up, a topic that's really been talked about a lot, cash for clunkers. should another $1 billion or $2 billion be put into this program? coming up, ali velshi is going to join us, chief business correspondent for our sister network, cnn. is this best for our economy? our money? he'll take your calls on that. and your personal financial questions. so dive in, the number 1-877-tell-hln.

all right. crunch time. the cash for clunkers program needs a lot more money to keep going. today it's up to the senate to give it another $2 billion. now, car sales have doubled recently. but aside from the numbers, here's what i want to know. is the program running smoothly?

listen to this one woman describe her ordeal. she was asked to give her new car back. >> i'm driving it around for a week. you know, you kind of get attached to it. and then, boom, bring the car back. i blame it on the bureaucracy at the federal government. i mean, to me it seems like a relatively simple program. and they should have known that it was going to be very popular. >> imagine that. she said, you get the new car, man, you're loving that thing, you want to practically live in it, and they want it back. let's bring in ali velshi. taking your questions on cash for clunkers. >> she's saying to the dealer, give me the car back, give me my money back. >> is that an arbor ration or have things gone pretty smoothly? >> too smoothly. what she's suffering from is the fact that we never thought this was really going to be a hit out of a park. it really has been.

it's remarkable how many people decided they would trade in their clunkers for new cars. it's resulted in a remarkable increase in fuel efficiency, because people are buying cars on average 10 miles an hour better than what they're trading in. but just way more people went ahead to do this than the government actually thought. and i don't blame the government for it. i think everybody's a little fascinated. there's not a lot of high economics in this program. as this woman we were just listening to said, it's a pretty basic system. there's just too much demand for it. sought senate's trying to get that bill through so it gets another $2 billion. but the bottom line is there are still far more people looking to do this than there was money available to get it done. >> yeah, up to 4,500 bucks. that's a chunk. >> then chrysler was offering on some cars to match whatever the government grant was. so there were some people who were getting 45 bucks for taking their car in, 45 bucks -- 4,500 bucks off the new car. there were people getting cars for 50% off the sticker price. >> wow. let's get a call in. kitty's with us from west virginia. kitty's got a question on cash for clunkers.

kitty, go ahead. >> caller: i was just wondering what do you think the result will be in a few months when all these new car owners cannot pay for their cars any longer? are we going to bail the banks out and the car dealers again or -- >> yeah, good question. >> caller: and are we going to prosper if we destroy these old clunkers when maybe we could donate them to those in need? >> two very, very good questions. there are a lot of people who are -- >> 30 seconds, ali. >> should we be destroying these clunkers? that's one thing. they are being destroyed. the other thing is you can't get credit to buy a car under this program if you weren't going to qualify for credit anyway. and it's pretty hard to do that right now. i don't think you're going to see that. you're seeing people with 700 credit scores or better getting into these cars. >> we're going to take a quick break. more with ali coming up. your personal finance questions. questions on cash for clunkers. 1-877-tell-hln.

how evil can it get? a newlywed accused of trying to hire a killer to kill her husband. they've only been married six months. but the joke was on her. that hitman turned out to be an undercover cop. plus, new disturbing videos of a man who eventually would wipe out three women he didn't even know. on a rampage at a gym. leaving a 15-year-old boy without a mom, parents without their children. who is this sick man who committed this heinous act? you're a huge part of the show. love hearing from you. call in. the number, 1-877-tell-hln. you can e-mail us. cnn.com/primenews or text us at hlntv. just start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard.

>> controversy, opinion, your point of view. this is "prime news." welcome, everyone, once again. this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. all right. an in-depth look now into the mind of a murderer. george sodini, the man who entered an aerobics class near pittsburgh and killed three women in cold blood. police say he was hellbent on shooting them simply because they were women. today we're just now getting a look at videos of this sick man posted online last year. here's a clip. >> it is easy for me to hide from my emotions for one more day, take a long drive in the car, listen to some music, daydream, or just do some mundane task around the house that really doesn't need to be done, that's not too important. and there you go, one more day, and one more day turns into one more year. >> chilling almost hearing words from the grave there. not only do we know that he killed three women, there are

pictures of two of the dead, including he shot a pregnant woman. that's the lady on the far right. she was the one injured. shot her twice in the shoulder. thankfully, she's going to be okay. as always, we take your calls. call in. 1-877-tell-h fb's the number. joining me to talk about this, welcome back brian russell, forensic psychiatrist. also with us, don clark, former special agent in charge. and jill kay greenberg, reporter for the "pittsburgh tribune review." brian, i've got to start with you as we listen to that and from listening to blog postings, this is a guy hated life, didn't have any hope, obviously hated women. what else do you see in that clip you just saw? >> four key lessons in this case, mike. one is there are always warning signs in these cases. they may go unnoticed, but there are always warning signs. number two, this case beautifully illustrates the narcissism that i'm always saying is at the core of these things. just like we saw at virginia tech. this guy felt slighted by a

certain segment of humanity and therefore felt entitled to exact revenge on randomly selected members of that group. three, this guy beautifully illustrates how it's not always mental illness pulling the trigger. it can be just plain evil because people like this guy know what they're doing and they know it's wrong. he even wrote on his blog about whether or not he'd be able to get into heaven after committing mass murder. and the fourth thing is a warning for all of our female viewers out there. i don't want to scare you, but guys like this are out there, trolling the internet trying to meet you. so you really have to be so careful on social networking sites and dating sites. >> yeah, we'll hit that a little bit later, brian. want to go to jill king greenwood, again, reporter "pittsburgh tribune review." we just saw those postings. do we know when they were posted, jill? >> no. we haven't been able to determine yet exactly when they were posted. >> near this time? do we know, within the last couple of weeks, or do we think it was more like last year?

>> his blog dates all the way back to last summer because he talked originally about carrying this plan out last year. and then put it off and then decided he was going to do it right after the new year, posted that he bought the guns but he, quote, chickened out at the last minute. then he didn't post for a while and started posting again in may. >> got you. jill-s anybody -- neighbors, anybody who knew him talking now? are we getting that second look at him and people second-guessing what they saw in him? >> yeah. i talked to a couple of neighbors yesterday and today and, you know, it's pretty much the same consistent theme. they say he was a little odd, little off. there was something a little strange there. but he was generally pretty friendly. you know, they kept using the word chitchat, you know, he would talk. but not social at all. the neighbor he talked with the most across the street, down a few houses, said she never saw him have visitors other than his mother and a woman she believed was his sister a few times a year would come by. but never saw him have a picnic or a barbecue, he never

decorated for the holidays, you know, put up a christmas tree or anything like that. she just never saw any social activity. >> anti-social. brian, does that all fit? odd, off, strange, with chitchat a little but really not social at all? >> yeah, a lot of times in these cases we had neighbors and friends saying i really didn't know there was anything wrong with the person. and mostly that just speaks to how little they really knew the person. unfortunately, i don't want anybody out there watching to feel guilty, but somebody probably knew. somebody had come across those blogs and didn't think it meant anything. and i just want to say, hln has the smartest viewers in television, and if you come across something like this that disturbs and alarms you i would go with that gut and call the cops. you know, the worst that can happen -- or if it turns out that it's nothing, fine. but i'm guessing that probably somebody out there did know. like i say, i don't want anyone to feel guilty. it shows you why you've got to -- >> jill, let's pick up on that real quick and then i'll go to don. jill, did you talk to anybody

who had that sentiment, that deep down they knew this guy could do something that would shock us, maybe not to this degree but they knew something was really wrong here? >> yeah, no. people said that yeah, there was something off but, you know, they all just expressed absolute shock and horror that he actually went to these lengths. nobody claims to have seen it coming. >> all right. let's bring in don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. don, as you hear us talking there, kind of the undercurrent here is what can we learn from this, what do you do with this as an investigator? as far as a case goes, he did it. we know that. where do we go next, don? >> you know where you go next, you start looking into this person's background. and i think it's brian that's on there with us said you talk about that, you look in the background, and you find out what can you do based on that background to try to prevent these from happening. and that's what law enforcement has to be a lot about today, is preventing these from happening. i lived through virginia tech with cnn for many, many hours, and we talked about these very same things, of people coming in innocent and everybody says, well, yeah, he was a little

strange, he was a little different, but then he does that. but then the next end of that, mike, is to try to get security on that end. and if we're going to have gun laws the way they are today, we're going to have to have some mechanisms in place, whether it's magnetometers or some of the other devices to see who's bringing guns in where they shouldn't be. >> okay, guys, we'll take a quick break. when we come back, we're going to hear from george sodini again, this sick man who pulled off such a heinous act. he's going to take us inside his home. and at the heart of this tour of his house is how it should impress women. sti stick around for that. we'll teak your calls.

my computer.

let me pan out a little bit. computer is connected to the stereo, which i listen to my mp3s and everything else. pan to the other side. speakers on each side are large. they double as end tables. okay. couch and chair. they match. the woman will really be impressed. come over here. there's some reading material that we're all familiar with. >> that was george sodini, again, the man who killed three women, shot nine others before killing himself at a gym just outside of pittsburgh. always with him the backdrop is how women rejected him. we have our panel standing by. here's an e-mail coming in to us from melissa, avon, indiana on this very top eck writing this. "i think when he said that 30 million women rejected him it's because he may have been on a dating site where 30 million women are signed up and none, or few, were interested." brian, that's to your point. that we don't know whether or

not he was on a dating site. but women have to be careful out there. >> you've got to be so, so careful. look at the narcissism. look at the self-focus and the sense of entitlement to have a woman in his life that you get out of that video. and what's fascinating to me, mike, is that he expresses this idolatry and this longing for younger women, but look who he killed, mike, he killed people who were more -- women who were more his own age. and what that says to me is the root of this is some kind of slight that he felt he had long in the past by his contemporaries -- >> failure with women his own age. because the book we saw on that coffee table was something to the effect of "date young women." so i guess maybe he felt he was a failure with women his own age. so brian, to your point. let's get a call in real quick. leslie's with us in the pittsburgh area. leslie, go ahead. leslie? we lost leslie. from that pittsburgh area. amy's with us, though, in florida. amy, go ahead. we're whiffing here on the

calls. we lost amy as well. we love hearing from you. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. jill, any other points to make as we move forward on his family? what's his family saying at this point? because he rips his family in his blog, rips his dad for basically being non-existent. his brother's a bully according to him. his mom was too dominant. are they all still alive? are they issuing a statement or saying anything, jill? >> we only know about his mother and sister. he was actually kind of sympathetic toward his sister in his blog. >> oh, that's right. >> she was the only family member he really showed any sort of empathy toward. but they just issued a statement basically saying that their thoughts and prayers go with the families of the deceased and injured. and that's it. they haven't responded to any requests for interviews, have not returned any messages. we don't know where they stand. we do know that he called his mother right before he walked into the gym, turned out the lights, and opened fire. evidently, he told her that he was going to kill a bunch of people and that he didn't expect to zrieft rampage. but we do not know if she then

in turn called the police or alerted anybody. but she did call him back, and it was probably right about the time he was shooting up the gym. >> so he actually had a conversation with her to tell her his plan right before it happened? >> yeah. i don't believe it was very detailed. i don't think he specifically said where. but he did say i'm going to kill a bunch of people and i don't think i'm going to survive it. >> okay. we'll continue to follow that. jill, that's a shocking revelation right there. guys, we have to leave it there. brian, don, jill, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> want to update you on this story now. it's been two years since little madeleine mccann disappeared. 3 years old back then. vanishing without a trace while vacationing with her family in portugal. new today, a witness has come forward with information that has investigators now serving for a victoria beckham look-alike. want to know what's going on here. bring in our correspondent richelle carey. break this down for us. >> this new lead all started in barcelona, spain three days after madeleine vanished. investigators that work for the

mccann family say a victoria beckham look-alike said something to a british man outside a bar very late at night which suggested that she knew something about madeleine's fate. so why did it take so long for him to come forward? he's claiming personal reasons. all right? well, here's the sketch of the mystery woman that's being handed out to police. we don't have a name. all we know is the 30-something year old may be from australia and is possibly fluent in spanish. at one point portuguese authorities had named the girl's parents as suspects along with a man living in portugal. they have all been cleared. the official missing persons case for madeleine mccann closed a year ago. this current investigation where all these leads are coming from, this is actually privately funded, mike. so it does seem strange, but you know, this is an investigation. the parents want answers. >> looking for any break. richelle, thanks for that. coming up, updating you on

little haleigh cummings. been missing now six months. while that search continues, trouble with her dad, ron. he gets arrested. apparently, allegedly ron cummings and the family of his new wife, misty croslin, they get into it. ron going to blows with misty's brother.

revisiting a story we told you about. a mom charged for dragging her child on a leash. there's the video. this is through a verizon wireless store. obviously, someone flipped on the cell phone video. we're hearing from her. here's what she's claiming. she claims she could not pick up her child because she was weak, she's suffering from lupus and pneumonia. all right. she says she felt sick so instead, she didn't have the strength to pick him up but had the strength to drag him. what do you think? she was charged, again-w felony child cruelty. we'll take your calls on this. 1-877-tell-hln is the number.

now to this story. another update. it's been nearly six months, believe it or not. little haleigh cummings is still missing. what's going on in the midst of the search? we're going to talk about the search in a minute. but also, some goings-on at the house. we're hearing her father, ron cummings, was charged with felony burglary and with assault. police in putnam county, florida say he got in a knockdown, drag-out with his new brother-in-law. many of us were shocked in the first place when he married misty croslin, his 17-year-old live-in girlfriend right in the midst of the search for his daughter haleigh. now this. we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln. joining us again to talk about it, don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. and on the phone t.j. hart, program news director wsky 93.7 fm in gainesville, florida. t.j., what do we have here? ron cummings, fisticuffs, against misty's brother, hank jr. is that what we have? >> it's almost a full-blown family affair. you see about 11:30 last night

ron got a surprise visit. what had happened was -- this is from the police report, from the deputy who took the report. upon speaking with misty, she stated that she talked to her brother on the telephone. that would be hank croslin jr. he said she asked him why he'd been calling the house all day. and he said he just wanted to come over. and she said no, it's late, it's late. but he came over anyway. and also in the vehicle was i guess her mother and her father as well. when they got there, that's when it got a little tenuous there. hank jr. wanted to speak with misty. she said no, no, no. ron came out. a family member said that he looked like he was just wired up on something. that's just their statement. anger can do things to people and you can get a real odd look on your face if you're angry. right now there's nothing to suggest he was on anything. but the confrontation began with words and then it became physical. ron's grandmother, annett sikes,

came out and ordered him back in the house. she -- the altercation started up again. and i believe this time misty got hit in the face twice by her family member. >> she was in the midst of trying to break it up, right? >> yeah. she actually got hit in the face by her own father. and then when it was all over again ron was headed toward the house and then a third time it breaks out and this time he goes over and it's alleged that he attempted to pull hank jr. out of the van. that's where the burglary comes in because he entered the van without permission. that's the technicality. but the rest of it's just an old-fashioned -- >> late-night brawl. yeah. >> one of the accounts from one of the involved parties, correct me if i'm wrong, t.j.-s ma tha misty called saying i want out, come help. right? >> one of the family members is stating that's what hank jr. was talking about. if i'm not mistaken, in this very lengthy report. and misty turned it around to ask why her brother had been

calling the house so often. so it's not clear who called whom. but i guess the phone records will get that all taken care of. but it appears that perhaps she wanted to leave and changed her mind. hank did not want to -- hank sr., the dad, did not want to make any kind of statements or press any charges because he didn't want to upset his daughter. but ron, first of all, told police, look, i don't want to talk to anybody until i see a lawyer, i want my right to remain silent. however, when they did go into the sheriff's office for booking, he did make his statement. >> he finally did talk like everybody else because he said what everybody else had testified against him. so he wanted to have his say-so as well. so we've laid that out for you. when we come back, we'll bring don clark in on the conversation. what do you do with this? and most important, we want to find out what is the latest in the search for little haleigh, missing for almost six months now. and we'll take your calls. your comments, your questions, your theories. 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news." cash for clunkers, senate vote expected tonight. will the program get the extra $2 billion it needs to stay alive? that, and ali velshi to answer your personal finance questions. you can ask questions about cash for clunkers as well. ali standing by. always great information from ali. call in, 1-877-tell-hln. we want to hear from you on this story as well. how evil can a person get? a newlywed in boynton beach, florida accused of hiring a hitman to kill her husband. they'd only been married six months. but police say dahlia dippolito unknowingly hired an undercover cop to do the job. police then planned this elaborate sting operation, faking her husband's death,

calling her to the staged murder scene. they catch her entire tearful reaction on tape. in the end she's arrested and she comes face to face with not only the hitman but her husband, who is alive and well. how about that? call in, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. here to talk about it, we've got our expert panel joining us. jennifer bonjean is with us, criminal defense attorney. good to have you back, jennifer. also with us, stephanie slater. she's a spokeswoman for the boynton beach police department. stephanie, before we go on, we have the video clip of the reaction. now, this is -- correct me if i go astray, stephanie, this is the murder scene, or fake murder scene is staged, cops call up the wife, dalia, and tell her, come on in. and they break the news to her. watch and listen to her reaction. >> no, no! no! no!

>> all right. there it is. stephanie, were there any actual tears coming out as we listened to that? >> no, there was a lot of sobbing and her arm wavering and trembling. but there was no wetness in her eyes. >> okay. so how were these officers able to keep a straight face, then? >> they're very good at their jobs. >> they wanted to laugh, huh? knowing what we know now? and even knew then. they knew. >> they did a very good job of playing the role. >> all right. let's backtrack a little bit, stephanie, and we'll try to go through this chronologically. how did you guys get wind of this in the first place, that she had this up her sleeve, that

she wanted to allegedly kill her husband or have him killed? >> we received an anonymous call on friday night from a confidential informant, who said that dalia wanted to hire someone to kill her husband. and on saturday afternoon she and that confidential informant met in a car at a gas station to make those arrangements. it was at that time that she gave the confidential informant $1,200 to be given to the hitman to buy a handgun that would be used as the murder weapon. >> the confidential informant is who, a friend? >> that's part of the investigation. >> can't tell. okay. so three people here. you've got the wife, informant, and the informant tells you guys, right? >> correct. the informant called boynton beach police, and the informant then helped us in putting our undercover officer, who was playing the role of the hitman, in touch with dalia. >> okay. how long was this plot in the works from the time dalia got

in touch with the hitman who turned out to be an undercover police officer? >> that was monday afternoon. on monday afternoon she met this undercover officer, who she believed was a hitman, in a car, in a parking lot outside of a cvs, and it was during that encounter she was asked numerous times by this undercover, are you sure you want to do this? at one point she laughed and said, "i will be very happy." and at that point she, again, she also said, "i'm not going to change my mind. i'm 5,000% sure i want it done. when i set my mind to something, i get it done." >> wow. so this is monday. so when does this go down, this video we're looking at here, the whole elaborate scheme? >> that was yesterday morning about 6:30 in the morning. >> i've got to ask you this. and we'll get back to the chronology of this. why was this posted on youtube? and the cameras here, what, cameras from the show "cops"? how did all that work out? >> no, the cameras were actually -- it was a crime scene sergeant who videotaped the video that

you see. the reason it's on youtube is because for almost a year and a half now the police department has had a youtube channel. i post all of our videos on there as a way to get them to our local media because the files are sometimes too big to e-mail. and anything that i give to the local media i give to the public because it's a public record. >> so there's no way trial case against her is going to be compromised because it was out before it was actually resolved and gone to court? >> no. public record. >> okay. let's get -- jennifer, you want in on that real quick? >> well, i find it a very questionable tactic to post videos that are going to be used, presumably, as evidence against this woman at some point. i question that strategy, that protocol. and i do think it can compromise the case and can actually prejudice her and prevent her from getting a fair trial. this specific case, obviously she has a lot to answer to, dalia, that is. but i think it's a terrible practice if the police department makes it a habit of

posting videos that they take in the course of their investigation and even arresting suspects. >> stephanie, do you want to respond to that? >> no, she's entitled to her opinion. >> okay. it was a question i had, and jennifer ran with it there on the front of, well, could this not compromise the case? let's get back to a couple other things, and we'll hit on other topics as well. one thing i want to know is, so after the video we saw there, she gets arrested, and i believe we have a clip of her as she's being arrested denying everything. let's listen to dalia dippolito here. >> i didn't do anything. and i didn't plot anything. >> dalia, why did you do it? >> dalia, why did you try to kill your husband? >> stephanie, so she denied the whole way through, huh? never fessed up, even though it seems to me she was caught cold here. >> correct. she never said anything. >> so then what happens -- explain -- lay the picture out for us when you take her -- i guess it was to the police station and she's confronted by her husband. how did that go down?

>> right. she was brought back to the police department, where she spoke with detectives. and at some point she was told that the undercover that she met with in the car was actually an undercover police officer. he was brought into the room and she was asked, do you know this man, and she said no. and then he was led out of the room. it was at that point we let her know her husband was alive and well and in the room next door. >> did they have a face-to-face? >> yeah, at one point we did walk him by the room so she could see him and see in fact he was fine. >> what was the look on her face at that point? do we know? >> yes, she actually said, "oh, my god." and then she started saying his name. >> wow. okay. we're going to take a quick break. when we come back, we're going to hear from the husband. surprise, surprise, honeymoon's over. take your calls as well.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing this wild story of a woman accused of hiring a hitman to kill her husband. they'd only been married six months. it turned out that hitman was an undercover cop. this plot foiled. we just heard from stephanie slater tell us the reaction in the police station when this lady, the wife, is confronted with her husband, who's alive and well. she says "oh, my god," and starts saying his name.

what about the husband? what's his reaction? let's listen to michael dippolito. >> there was a lot of funny stuff going on. i overlooked a lot of things. you know, you try and see the best in people, not the worst. just divorce me and take everything. i mean, that's the best way, right? i don't understand. >> you've got to love his attitude there. why don't you just divorce me? you've got to kill me there. let's bring back stephanie slater, spokeswoman, boynton beach police department. stephanie, after all that we just went through, let's get back to the basic question. why? what's the motive here to have him killed? >> we still don't know her motive because she did not talk to detectives. >> okay. so family, friends, no one is -- we haven't gone that far? at least -- that's some reporting work we're going to have to do as we try to sniff out what happened here. let's get some calls in. some folks want to chime in on this story. laurie's with us in alabama. laurie, go ahead. >> caller: oh, laureen.

>> you're up, laurie. >> caller: yes. i just thought it was pathetic. >> having trouble hearing you, lorraine. go ahead. >> caller: i thought it was pathetic. i've just never seen anything like it. >> it's unbelievable, isn't it? married six months, and we still don't have any kind of a real motive here. with the husband saying, not only did we just hear the husband talking, michael, he thinks he missed some things, suspicious signs. stephanie, can you talk about that? anything that he let on that things that were happening around the house that is now adding up to him? >> i can't get into any of that. it's part of the investigation. >> jennifer bonjean, criminal defense attorney. jennifer, it seems we watched this play out. it seems like they've got her cold. what kind of defense could she come with? >> well, i think it's interesting that the police department is really making us all privy to their entire investigation from start to finish, every step of the way. as a defense attorney, you know, it's very questionable to me. in some ways i'm enjoying it, i'm glad to see.

i didn't hear miranda warnings given as she was being placed into that police car. it actually provides a good deal of information. but yes, it does seem to be a very difficult case for dalia. but it's also curious to me. the police really enjoyed doing this whole elaborate setup, and i'm not sure what her coming to the house and the feigned response-f response, if it was feigned, actually added to it. i think there's more of a story here. i'm curious about a motive myself. and i can't say what the defense is yet, but there are a lot of unanswered questions. and i find that the way the police handled it, very curious. >> let's bring in don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. don, it seems like they have her, right? do you question at all us knowing all of this and having the cameras there and having it posted on youtube? >> you know, i really do, mike. i really agree with the defense attorney. i hardly ever do that, but i really do this time. to just get all of the information out there, the question is why.

i mean, murders for hire is not something new. they've been around for a long time. and conducting these things, they're usually kept very, very confidential. and even after the activities and the processes that they go through, and it only comes out in the courtroom. and i would think that it would be better for the -- i know it would be better for the police and the prosecution's case to bring out their evidence in the courtroom, without letting it go out on youtube and some of these other places. >> don, you're saying it's good they taped it. i mean, they've got it all on tape. great evidence. >> absolutely. you've got to tape these things so you don't get anybody backing out, unless you air it in some way and did something that caused it to be in jeopardy. but other than that, you've got to tape it. >> are you seeing anything wrong, don, so far? >> i don't see anything wrong with, from what i've heard up to this small amount, with the detective, the police officer getting the information down, as long as the person, the police officer is not prompting the conversation, and not contributing to it, and enhancing it itself.

let the person who hired you do the talking. and you do the listening. and i think you're okay. >> yeah. and jennifer, isn't that what you're seeing as well? they just tell her, they go along with the elaborate scheme here, your husband is dead and then we see the reaction. >> we're seeing that part of it. but the actual solicitation we haven't heard. all we hear is the spokesperson telling us what they captured. and that's coming from the spokesperson. i can't wait to hear the actual tapes. >> mike, excuse me. i'm sorry, but i think the solicitation of it, i would be very surprised at this point if you heard the solicitation over the air and over the network like we're doing. >> i don't know with this police department. >> that will be the substance of their case, is how does the police officer get involved with this lady and was the police officer leading her along or was he taking advice because she wanted this thing done. >> okay. wild story. let's say that. it seems they've got her. but we'll see how it plays out.

jennifer seeing something for a defense attorney to pick up on. as we would expect from you, jennifer. good talking to you. don, you as well. jennifer's hanging around for this one. again, that video. it was shocking to see a mom dragging her 3-year-old through a cell phone store. someone flipped on the cell phone video. that's why we're looking at it here. she was charged with a felony, child cruelty. she's now coming with her side. we'll give her reason why's she did this and take your calls at 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back. just can't get over this video, watching a mom dragging her kid on a backpack leash through a store. here it is again. an employee at verizon wireless there in rome, georgia captured the shocking video. it happened back late april. melissa smith means was charged

with a first-degree felony, cruelty to children. new today, police report details, her explanation for the whole thing. she says her son refused to walk and because she has health problems she couldn't physically pick him up. more on that coming up in just a minute. we'll take your calls. the number 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about it, criminal defense attorney jennifer bonjean. all right, jennifer, let's lay out a couple of reasons here, and i'll get your take on it. one of them is she's saying health reasons. she has lupus, pneumonia, not strong enough to pick up her child, so she dragged the kid through the store. and the second thing she said about it is i believe that he liked it, that it's a backpack leash and -- >> he didn't seem to be bothered all that much by it. >> and the family saying that he had some laughs. are you seeing a felony here, jennifer, or not? >> absolutely not. i am not condoning this behavior. but this is not child cruelty in the first degree. and let me tell you in georgia what child -- what in the first degree child cruelty is. this is where the person

maliciously causes cruel or excessive physical or mental pain. okay? and in most cases you see -- you're talking about repeated beatings, rapes, the burning of children. this was again, not condoning it, but this is not the type of conduct this statute was meant to get at. that has a sentence range of between five to 20 years. perhaps she could get services, but does anyone out there think this warrants a prison sentence between five and to years? >> we're going to find out. we dpot a lot of callers lined up. >> i'm sure there are people that do. >> i'm seeing here someone who needs parenting help. i mean, you read further into it, and she was saying that her -- and the police officers say that he is questioning her out in the parking lot writing a report. the kid is jumping out of the van and running all over the place. he had to get her. he was unbuckling himself on the drive over. they were looking at her for possible dui. i mean, she's got her hands full

with this kid, right? >> i have four kids myself. okay? you didn't see what preceded this event, and if my kid was thrashing about, refusing to walk, i couldn't get him to comply, i might have said if you don't start walking, i'm going to drag you, and i'm not saying that that would have been my best parenting moment -- >> yeah, exactly. >> but if it was caught on camera, you know? >> you got trouble. it's bad parenting sxshgs maybe you do it for two feet and stop yourself and try to get control. let's get a call. aaron in georgia. aaron, go ahead. >> hello. >> we'll go back to you after the break. chime in. are you more sympathetic after hearing about the pneumonia or lup yas, or do you think it's a crock? callele 7 p-call-hln. 11111111111