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e-mail us cnn.com/primenews. and you can text us at hlntv, just start your message with the word prime. it's your chance to be heard. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com i can't get over that plane story. i'm mike galanos. this is "prime news." big news in the michael jackson death investigation. more than a dozen cops, including federal drug agents, executed a search warrant this morning at a pharmacy in las vegas. it's part of the follow-up of the searches of the clinic of dr. conrad murray. just yesterday we learned the toxicology report is complete. but the cause of death still top-secret. well, could this investigation be close to an end. could an arrest come sometime soon. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln's the number. joining us to talk about it, ted rowlands. jim moret, chief correspondent "inside edition." and also joining us, don clark,

former fbi special agent in charge. ted, let's start with you. again, ted on this one since day one. what are they looking for at this pharmacy that's going to link back to dr. murray, ted? >> well, according to a source familiar with the investigation, this search was specific in that it was a follow-up on information that they were able to get out of murray's clinic and home, in that search about a week and a half ago in vegas. they used that information which has now basically taken them to the pharmacy. you can take from that that they're looking for the origin of specific prescriptions that had to do with this case. so this is now that next logical step of trying to trace the medications that were administered or given or prescribed to, we're not sure, to michael jackson, and then may have resulted, or at least played a part in his death. coroner's report is out. so law enforcement has that to work with now as well. the specifics as to what killed michael jackson potentially, or at least what was in his system at the time. plus you have the cause of death from the coroner. we don't know what that is,

because there's a hold on it. but the investigators sure do and they could be using that information in conjunction with what they found in murray's clinic and home and went to the pharmacy to look for the origin of specific drugs. >> got you. you know the term, the word -- was the term propofol used? i say that knowing, wait a minute, propofol, you can't just get that at a pharmacy. is there any link to that specific anesthetic here? >> the associated press is reporting that indeed that the pharmacy where conrad murray was able to get propofol legally. now, we haven't confirmed that. you're right, you wouldn't get that as an average patient at an average pharmacy. but many pharmacies also deal directly with physicians, especially ones that have clinics. in clinic settings, propofol is very commonly used to put people under for minor surgical procedures. of course, it's also used in hospitals. that may have been the origin. we haven't confirmed that. but the a.p. is confirming that the propofol was at that

pharmacy, because that's what the a.p. is reporting where conrad murray was able to get the propofol. >> let's bring in don clark. let's pick up on what ted's talking about here, connecting the dots. you look at his houston clinic raided, his home in las vegas raided, clinic in vegas raided. now this pharmacy. how are they piecing together the dots, don? take us inside this investigation. >> well, you know, first of all, mike, we've got to talk about the search warrants. you can't be surprised about a search warrant being specific. all search warrants have to be specific to a particular thing that they're looking for, and particular place. so you can bet the search warrant is going to say that. and then they're going to try to, i hate to use this term, but connect the dots across the nation if need be, to see wherever those prescription, or that type of prescription may have been gotten from. also, some doctor may have written a prescription to it at a different location. and i'm certain that's what they're doing when they're looking in houston, looking in las vegas, and they may have

other places on the list as well. >> michelle in massachusetts, your comment or question here? >> caller: i just have a question. they have search warrants going now. michael jackson died on the 25th. if it wasn't for that nurse, i forget her name, if it wasn't for her, would we be in las vegas, houston, looking for this? >> you're talking about cheryl i lynn lee. she's the one that came forward saying michael jackson basically begged her for what she was calling diprivan, which is propofol, the very powerful anesthetic. jim moret, i want to bring you in on that. that's an interesting point. where would we be right now without cherilyn lee to tip us off to what michael jackson might have been begging for here? >> there's no question that she re-directed all of the attention to this specific drug diprivan. because no one had ever heard of its use outside of a clinic, and

certainly nobody had heard of its use with regard to michael jackson. i can't say when dr. murray allegedly told the cops, or admitted to them that he administered propofol. i suspect it may have been after cherilyn lee came forward, because they may have redirected the line of questioning. but clearly, she is the unsung hero in this investigation. she came forward. she had the character to say no, this is not proper to give this drug. and she stood up to michael jackson's request as apparently many doctors have not in the past. a lot of doctors have given him drugs, and we've seen it over the past. and that's clearly what the investigators are looking for. it's not just the death investigation, they're lookinging over years now of alleged drug abuse. i suspect even after the death investigation is concluded, you're going to see a whole other list of possible doctors indicted. >> okay. we'll pick it up from there to talk about any specific doctors, people we might know. also under the radar being scrutinized by authorities. we'll take more of your calls.

the number 1-877-tell-hln. we'll also talk about a movie deal. is it a done deal? will the michael jackson movie featuring the last rehearse always be shown october 30th? we'll talk about that coming up.

welcome back. keeping you updated on this story. a florida couple, byrd and melody billings, killed during a ninja-style invasion. now a grand jury is deciding whether the suspects should face charges of the death penalty. attorneys for the couple talking about a second safe that was in the home. the motive here, robbery. that's what we're led to p believe. that's ahead on "prime news." taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.

taking your calls on the latest with michael jackson as well. let's go to the phones. melissa is with us in virginia. hello, melissa. >> caller: hi, mike, how are you? >> good. >> caller: thanks for taking my call. a huge fan of michael jackson, so i've definitely been following everything that's been going on, keeping us updated. but i see they raided the pharmacy. >> right. >> caller: and no doubt that all fingers pointed to dr. murray, that, you know, he's guilty of something. but my main thing is, nobody's asked, they always say propofol, you know, dep ri van leaves the body so fast. so do they really have a time of death? did dr. murray just wait three or four hours hoping it would get out of his system so it wouldn't be found in his system? >> let's hit on this on a couple of fronts. ted rowlands, do we have a time line? we do not have an exact time of death, do we, ted? we know when it was announced. >> we have a time line that's been offered through dr. murray's lawyer, in terms of

what dr. murray claims what happened in the events of that morning. and a time line from the chef, who was inside the house a little bit. but nothing really glaringly that would say dr. murray was sitting with jackson for hours and didn't report it. within a time frame. clearly he tried to revive michael jackson on his own. and he is a physician. in fact, you would easily argue that a physician is the best case scenario to have with you if you stop breathing, because rather than take you to the hospital, your doctor's right there. so the timing on this hasn't come out except sort of generically through his attorneys. that will be interesting to see if the coroner's report as well. those types of specifics. we just don't know for sure. >> let me pick up the second part of that with jim moret. in all the studying and reporting and conversations you and i have had about propofol, does it dissipate from the system? it will be seen in an autopsy report, won't it? >> the doctors i talked to said

you will be able to find some evidence of propofol. i want to pick up on what ted said, because he's absolutely right. we have a time line presented by the lawyer for dr. mur rif. but there is somewhat of a conflict between that time line and the chef's time line. the chef said that dr. murray, to the best of her recollection, ran downstairs between 12:05 and 12:10, shouting for michael jackson's son, prince, to come join him. we also know that the doctor called 911, about 12:22. so there's a 10 to 15-minute difference there. we know if michael jackson was in distress at 12:22, the doctor wasn't performing cpr, or trying to revive him 15 minutes earlier. and that raises a question, why wasn't the doctor, first of all, why wasn't 911 called earlier and why wasn't the doctor with michael jackson earlier, trying to revive him. there are guess, and as ted said, we hope to get some answers in this autopsy report. >> that same chef talked about basically the routine of dr.

murray, would come down, at least the way she says it, come down with oxygen tanks at 9:00 in the morning. she didn't see that on the morning that michael jackson died. you bring up a good point, jim, time line issues, we're hoping to get that nailed down when this autopsy report comes out in fill. adrian, we're out of time? thanks so much, guys. as always, we appreciate it, guys. coming up, i've had no idea how these passengers kept their calm on this flight. stuck on the tarmac overnight. imagine being cramped, six hours on a plane, and they're not letting you off. >> the smells are getting worse. the bathroom was getting worse. the babies obviously started going to the bathroom. >> a living hell. what happened to passenger rights? call in on this one, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back. late night, you're almost home,

then you get diverted. plane diverted by bad weather. that's not the worst of it. 47 passengers were on a continental airlines flight from houston to minneapolis. its "diverted to rochester, minnesota, around midnight. but the airline would not let them off. they were stuck on the tarmac. just hours into this ordeal, the plane turns into a hot mess. complete with overloaded, smelly toilets, screaming, smelly babies. this goes on four six hours. i'm surprised they didn't storm the door after all that. now we've got finger pointing going on. the airline blaming the airport and vice versa. here's wa i want to know, what about the passengers? don't we have any rights in all this? joining us to talk about it, kate, airline passenger bill of rights advocate. also with us, fred, an attorney who specializes in aviation law. and also with us, link kristen, a passenger who was actually onboard that flight. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. link, i hate to have you relive it, but put us on that plane.

you get diverted. you land. then what? >> when we landed, we were told immediatelily they were going to refuel. and when the storm passed minneapolis, we were going to fly to minneapolis. so they told us that for an hour or so. then they said the storm was still lingering in the minneapolis area. and would be a while longer. and another hour passed. and at that point they sort of changed their tune and said they were going to try to get a bus. and so they said they were working on getting us a bus to take us back, it's about a 90-minute drive. and so at all times we thought that help was on the way. we thought we were going to get off the plane. i don't think any of us understood why we weren't being allowed to go in the terminal. but probably about 4:00 in the morning, they made another announcement and said we have logistical problems with the bus, but we still think we can get you a bus. so they made that announcement.

that's the last announcement they made. and they let us out about 6:30. >> finally out at 6:30. that's unbelievable. so 4:00 a.m., i mean, now you've waited for all these delays. did anybody stand up and go, let us off this thing? i'm going nuts here. >> well, you know, in retrospect, i'm surprised nobody did. and that includes myself. but the real atmosphere in this cabin, i mean, everybody was on top of everybody. it's a cramped space. people -- this is the middle of the night. so you've got people extremely sleepy, and trying to fall asleep. you've got people who haven't eaten. i hadn't eaten since 3:00 in the afternoon. there was no food. there was no drink after 12:30. and i think you've got people in a somewhat altered kind of numb state. i mean, we're all in a state of a little bit of shock. and exhaustion. if i had to try to articulate why we didn't do something more aggressively, that would be my

explanation. certainly when i got home the next day, the gravity of the whole thing hit me. and i thought, oh, my god, how did we let that happen. >> right. it makes sense. middle of the night, you're groggy, like you said, you're trying to fall asleep. but you couldn't sleep. you've got babies onboard, right? >> i had a young couple behind me with a baby on their lap. i had a young couple two seats in front of me with a baby on their lap. and these seats are not even the size of a normal coach airplane. these are little tiny commuter seats. so those two couples were just going through a living hell with their children. and as the kids got more exhausted, not only were the parents in great distress, but the children, you know, were screaming all night. you know, you'd almost get to sleep and one of the two babies would start screaming. >> wow. fred, how do you not just let them off? what happened here? >> well, mike, a bunch of things happened.

the airlines love these little regional jets, but they're like a passenger mailing tube. they're tiny and small. you heard the guy say the seats are small. i don't know how they got -- they ended up doing this. apparently a northwest flight came in to rochester, and they had a bus. they actually offered seats to the continental, and continental said no. it's actually not continental, it's one of their feeder airlines. they kept these people on. the only people you would keep these people on the airplane is thunderstorms kind of move through quickly, and there's a break sometimes. and you may be sitting there, air traffic control may say to you, if you can wheels off in 15 minutes, we'll get you back in. but i haven't heard anything like that. quite frankly, they should have let these people off and let them go into the terminal. there was absolutely no reason not to do that. >> kate, what's a passenger's rights in a case like this? what can we do if we're stuck through this living hell like that? >> i apologize for not being a better advocate, because right now passengers have zero rights.

and the only option they have is to get on the phone and call our hotline, and let us see if we can get the media over to the airport, or get ahold of the airport manager to make him aware that there's plane out on the tarmac. that's what we do every day on our hotline. which is 1-877-flyer-six. >> there's nothing we can do? >> i'm saying there's nothing. and i'm being brutally honest, because i'm tired. i'm tired of fighting with congress and dealing with, you know, yes, we're going to do something. yes, we have to do something. we know passengers are suffering. we know the airlines are lying, bald-faced lying about these events. yet when it comes down to it, the airlines deny and delay, deny and delay. it's just happening over and over. we have a shot right now at -- >> we've got to take a quick break. we'll get continental's statement out there, ha their explanation is. and more from the passenger, link coming up.

welcome back. are there mafia ties behind the brutal murders of florida couple byrd and melanie billings? such a horrible crime against parents who adopted more than a dozen kids. many of them special needs. eight suspects have been arrested and it looks like the death penalty will be on the table for most of them. breaking developments here. let's bring in richelle carey. richelle, get us updated. >> mike, the grand jury just indicted seven of the suspects on two counts each of first-degree murder. that allows prosecutors to seek the death penalty. also new ñtoday, we're learnin more about a second safe inside the billings home. their attorney says contrary to rumors, it did not hold up to

$12 million. instead, it contained $164,000. as well as some antique jewelry and legal documents. from the beginning, police in escambia county, florida, they said it was a ninja-style home invasion. all eight suspects mentioned the mexican mafia and one sus spelt even admits to being a member of the mexican mafia. one of byrd billings' former business partners who police say owed the mexican mafia thousands of dollars. >> richelle, thanks for the update on that. still so many questions. we'll take yours, by the way, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. our guests joining us, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, mike eiglarsh. rob williams in pensacola. rob, first off, let's hit mexican mafia ties. can you tell us anything else about that and that possibility? >> well, yeah, i'm kind of laughing, because i've looked at this same information and i'm

scratching my head. believe me, gonzalez sr. and gonzalez jr., mike, are as anglo, or more anglo than you or i. so that doesn't really register at all. the mex ka mafia trusts people, their pie sans, if you will, good buddies, their relatives. so that one, that's a head scratcher. but i'll tell you what, $12 million rumor, it's a shame that those people were killed, if that was the real motive to get $12 million. that's enough money to fill a really big refrigerator. like a side-by-side freezer. that's huge. >> mark, as the grand jury looks at this, death has to be on the table here. premeditation, killed in cold blood. what are you seeing here, mark? >> i'm not certain the death penalty is automatic. if death penalty was handed out for all first-degree murders, then it wouldn't have any teeth. the law says you take all the first-degree murder cases and then you say which specific ones of those warrant the ultimate sanction?

that's what the prosecutors have to evaluate. and they'll look at the history of each one of these people, who's cooperating and who's not. what their roles were. whether what they did was especially heinous and cruel or premeditated. >> got you. we know this. rob, help me out here. leonard gonzalez jr., he's the allege the mastermind and the alleged shooter, right? >> correct. he allegedly shot both the billings. used a .9 mill mere pistol. he's known as pat by those who grew up with him. he grew up being pat poff, which was the -- his adopted -- the dad who married his mom and then adopted him. >> then he linked up with his dad in prison, right? >> you know, i've got to do my research on that. suffice to say, they were apart for a long time and then just in the last few years, changed his name back to gonzalez. >> okay. to mark's point, rob, you've got eight people. they're talking. isn't that what we're hearing

here? they're telling, you know, they're ratting each other out, right? >> absolutely. the first two arrested were gonzalez sr. and coldiron. and they were the ones -- the first ones to make the deals, the first ones to save their lives as long as possible. and i tell you what, don't forget, we had that other arrest that was sort of on the periphery. everybody says that sheriff david morgan, you've seen him plenty on your show, when he said humdinger, he might have been underestimating how this is really going to go out. it's got a ways to go, mike. >> mike, at the bond hearing of gonzalez sr., it was the judge who raised gonzalez sr.'s bond. the prosecutor said, no, leave it where it is. that was an indication to me that gonzalez sr. was first through the door, as we call it, working the best deal to make the best deal with the prosecutors. they're the ones that get the best sentences. the rest? huh-uh.

>> thanks, guys, we appreciate it. the health care debate, getting heated. these town hall meetings have turned into screaming matches in many cases. motions running high. case in point, lebanon, pennsylvania, democratic senator, arlen specter, pretty much played referee. one man interrupts. starts shouting. gets shoved by another. in missouri, just hours ago, a woman actually had to be escorted out during a meeting with sn claire mccaskill. >> we do a pretty good job, i think, of protecting people's privacy. but we don't do a very good job of communicating with each other. so we catch the crook over here -- hey, hey, hey! okay. ma'am? okay. everybody sit down. everybody sit down. >> all right. obviously very unpredictable. house speaker nancy pelosi says

this is an ugly campaign, and drowning out opposing views. it's unamerican. what do you think? is this unamerican or democracy in action? we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining us to help sort this out, chris, welcome him back from politico,.com. and sherri for republican strategist. mike brown, democratic strategist and former dnc finance chair. chris, let's start with you. give us a feel here as we're coming onboard this story, of all the town halls, percentagewise, how many are turning into shouting matches? >> mike, i think what we're seeing played up are the shouteding matches. i'm hearing from folks all over the country saying we're having very civil town halls. we're not seeing the kind of excitement around the country. what's playing is, what's clear, is that a lot of people feel very strongly about this. democrats want to say, well, folks are ginned up about it, outside groups ginning them up. there's genuine feeling, there's fear about what the health care reform plan means for them. and there's a sense that they

don't understand the answers. they want straight answers. and with a really complex subject like health care, sometimes it's even hard for members of congress to give a straight shooting answer. >> let's go to democratic strategist mike brown. mike, are you seeing the ugly campaign orchestrated effort? are you seeing americans voicing their opinions, something in between? what are you seeing, mike? >> i'm hoping it's the latter. i'm hoping we're seeing democracy at work. this is how it all started back in the mid and late 1700s. this is exactly how our democracy started. so i'm hoping that's what it is. i think there have been some folks that are a little concerned that the way the media's covering this, folks do know if they act up in a town hall meeting, they'll be on the news that night. so i do think there's some of that that's going on as well. but i'm certainly hopeful that most of this is just democracy at work. >> okay. sherri, your thoughts? >> i'm going to agree. i think this is democracy at work. and sometimes democracy is hard. but look, this is a very big issue. it's 18% of the u.s. economy.

it's something that affects literally everyone. and people start -- i think this was somewhat predictable, people started getting nervous a few weeks ago when it was clear that the president really wanted to ram this through congress, get a vote without members looking at -- being familiar with the bill and reading it and get it done before the august recess so they would have to go home and suspend their vote, fall on their sword for him instead of going back to have this dialog with their constituents. i think it's uncomfortable, if they had had the vote, what we're seeing now is nothing had it been if they had rammed it through. i think it's a good thing people are involved. drama is not unexpected for something this important. >> chris, what's the attack from president obama from the white house? are they counteroffensive now? are they back on offense? are they retooling a message? lay it out for us. >> i think what is happening for president obama is, he's been put on the defensive. democrats were caught a little off-guard by the scope and the

ferocity of the responses. they've started a website to try to fact check some of the rumors that are going on out there. they've had citizens to send along e-mails if they see something fishy about a claim that's being made, circulating out there in cyberspace, to pass it along so they can debunk it or explain it on the white house website. president obama took a lot of time to talk about why this is a good plan for the middle class. why particularly it's a good plan for seniors who, when you look at the polling, are really concerned about this, and doubt whether or not it would do the job, and make health care cheaper for americans. so he's had to spend a lot of time explaining to a lot of groups why they should be for this kind of reform. >> we'll take some calls when we come back. call in with your comments or questions, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. we'll ask cheri, what's her greatest concern? mike can rebutt that if need be. we want to hear from you.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. we've got a topic, a lot to get to, about three minutes. let's keep it moving. we're talking about the health care debate. we'll get calls real quick. wade from virginia, your thoughts about the protests? >> caller: i don't think it should be disorderly. but i think that what it is, is the american people are fed up

with our government trying to rip us off. and i think maybe that's the only way that they can be heard. >> got you. >> caller: you know, if they want to have our health care, put us on what they have. >> okay. let's get another call in. dennis in texas, go ahead. >> caller: hi. my thing is, i'm all about open debate, but that's not what this is. these people at these meetings are really disrupting the other people's rights to learn about what's going on. when you scream and yell and start fighting, you're actually interfering with that other person's freedom. >> both callers there may not agree on the central issue, but they agree that there's too much yelling going on. cheri, does that hurt those that actually have true concerns with president obama's health care plan? >> i think there's two things going on. and as i referenced before, a lot this started before they got home and it was clear washington was trying to ram this through without talking to the american people, members not knowing what was in this bill.

i think that's where a lot of this anger comes from. they know that the president, anyway, had no intention of letting there be any dialog. then you have other people who really want to learn and ask questions. so i'm not saying that one is better than the other, one is right or wrong, it's just two very real things going on. then you've got nancy pelosi and steny hoyer, basically calling the people there unamerican and unpatriotic. that is certainly not helpful. it doesn't help the democrat members of congress that are holding these meetings to have this going on. it's unfortunate. >> let me get mike in on that. mike, what do you see coming from the white house? what's the best tact to take? you can't demean people for stating their case. but we're also hearing from average citizens who are calling in on the show saying the yelling's got to stop. your call on this, mike? >> first i have to disagree a little bit about what was just said about the lack of inclusion. i think president obama has probably been more inclusive than maybe any other president in recent memory on an issue so complicated as this. i think that's part of the

problem with, i think as one of the callers called it disorderly conduct or whatever term he used. he's right. this is very complicated. what the media is reporting is basically these kind of ugly incidents, not what's in the bill. and how it's going to affect americans. so this ugliness, whatever you want to call it, is affecting folks getting educated about the bill. which is, frankly, something we do need. we're the only industrialized country in the world that does not have health care for its residents. >> and keeping congress educated on the bill, too. >> i'm not saying they're more educated than anyone else. the point is, the media is just covering the ugly incidents. >> i'll say this, though, regardless of the side you're on, we agree we all want to hear this out. it's like a fair fight in a boxing ring. let both sides throw their punches and we'll see what side we want to take. >> it doesn't help for republicans to say no to everything.

>> no, it's not just the -- >> there's the shot. chris, you knew what was coming, didn't you? thanks, you guys. we'll stay on top of this one for you. here's one. i don't even know where to go with this one. a man who just loves being diapered. it's part of a grand hoax. this poor lady duped. i'll say this, and this is what's going to get you, regardless of the gross details. no crime here. he dupes this lady into actually changing him and bottle feeding him and there's no crime. you've got to be kidding me.

you're not going to believe this one. ever heard of a diaper lover? it's real. true story. dip edeception, that's what we have here. a florida woman posted an ad on craigslist, free child care

services. this guy said his brother was in an accident, needs around-the-clock care. there was no brother, it was actually him. he wanted to be treated like a baby, fed by a bottle, get his diaper changed. the lady can't do anything about it. come to find out, she's not the only one fooled by this creep. listen to this. >> he would basically sit on the couch and watch spongebob most of the day. play video games with the kids. he talked in a whispery baby voice all the time. he was always really apologetic. >> i've changed his diaper plenty of times. >> i consented to changing his diapers, there's nothing they can do to prosecute. >> there's got to be something here. we'll take your calls if you want in. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining me to talk about it, mike eiglarsh is back. say si kaiser, our psychotherapist. we try to delve into the mind of this guy. mark, this is wrong on so many levels. there's got to be some charge

here, something. >> we've been doing many stories. >> yes, we have. >> this is probably the most disturbing. the only thing more disturbing would be if you told me that the octomom was pregnant again. this is bad. if you told me theo mom was pregnant again. this is bad. there is nothing criminally. it's morley reprehensible and she sue him civilly. i've combed the florida statutes for years, there is nothing she can bring. >> fraud, false pretense. misrepresenting yourself. >> big words, mike. >> for me especially. yeah, a guy that reads the funnies. the victim saying how can this not be a crime? he came into her house and exposed himself as she's changing his diaper. isn't there a crime there somewhere, mark? >> there's some law student on some exam that could come up with something. in reality, there's nothing. there's no criminal act. just to make sure, i ran it by several colleagues and challenged them, former

prosecutors, criminal defense lawyers, come up with something. they said morley reprehensible, nothing, nothing. let's get staysny before the break. what's with this guy? treat him like a baby, change the diaper, watch spongebob. what's going on here? >> hit the nail on the head when you called it a fetd tisch. there are two other possibilities mixed in with the piece. either he's ashamed of his fetish because he could have advertised online and been direct about wanting someone to care for him or he got some pleasure out of the manipulation included in the whole package. >> wow. this has layers to it. more than we'd like to know. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. when we come back, more from the lady we're calling the victim here. this poor lady and others who unwittingly changed this guy's diaper. come on. call in, help me out here. 1-877-tell-hln.

braving news notice michael jackson case. a search warrant today at a las vegas pharmacy has to do with michael jackson's doctor. more than a dozen law enforcement officers including federal drug agencies seen inside. will anything they find be linked to the demise of the king of pop? here's your worst travel nightmare. 47 people stuck on the tarmac overnight in a small plane, a sardine can. and the airline would not let them off. within hours, the plane's a hot mess. smelly bathrooms and babies. i'm surprised they didn't storm the door. whatever happened to passenger rights? want to hear from you on that one, the number 1-877-tell-hln. e-mail us cnn.com/primenews.

you can text us at hlntv. start your message with the word prime. your chance to be heard. >> i can't get over that plane story. welcome. i'm mike galanos. this is "prime news." big news in the michael jackson death investigation. more than a dozen cops, including federal drug agents, executed a search warrant this morning at a pharmacy in las vegas. it's part of the follow-up of searches of the home and clinic of dr. conrad murray, the personal doctor to the king of pop. just yesterday we learned the toxicology report is complete. the cause of death still top secret. well, could this investigation be close to an end. could an arrest come sometime soon. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln's the number. joining us to talk about it, ted rowlands. reporter for ouris ter network cnn. also with us, jim more ret, attorney, former cnn anchor, and

also joining us, don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. ted, let's start with you. again, ted on this one since day one. what are they looking for at this pharmacy that's going to link back to dr. murray, ted? >> well, according to a source familiar with the investigation, this search was specific in that it was a follow-up on information that they were able to get out of murray's clinic and home, in that search about a week and a half ago in vegas. they used that information which now has basically taken them to the pharmacy. you can take from that that they're looking for the origin of specific prescriptions that had to do with this case. so this is now that next logical step of trying to trace the medications that were administered or given or prescribed to, we're not sure, to michael jackson, and then may have resulted, or at least played a part in his death. of course, the coroner's report is out. so law enforcement has that to work with now as well. the specifics as to what killed michael jackson potentially, or at least what was in his system at the time. plus you have the cause of death from the coroner. we don't know what that is, because there's a hold on it. but the investigators sure do

and they could be using that information in conjunction with what they found in murray's clinic and home to then go to the pharmacy and look for the origin of specific drugs. >> got you. you know the term, the word -- was the term propofol used? i say that knowing, wait a minute, propofol, you can't just get that at a pharmacy. i mean, is there any link to that specific anesthetic here? >> the associated press is reporting that indeed that the pharmacy where conrad murray was able to get propofol legally. now, we haven't confirmed that. you're right, you wouldn't get that as an average patient at an average pharmacy. but many pharmacies also deal directly with physicians, especially ones that have clinics. in clinic settings, propofol is very commonly used to put people under for minor surgical procedures. of course, it's also used in hospitals. so that may have been the origin. we haven't confirmed that. but the a.p. is confirming that the propofol is the reason they

were at that pharmacy because that's what the a.p. is reporting where conrad murray was able to get the propofol. >> let's bring in don clark. let's pick up on what ted's talking about here, connecting the dots. you look at his houston clinic raided, his home in las vegas raided, clinic in vegas raided. now this pharmacy. how are they piecing together the dots, don? take us inside this investigation. >> well, you know, first of all, mike, we've got to talk about the search warrants. you know, people, an, you can't be surprised about a search warrant being specific. all search warrants have to be specific to a particular thing that they're looking for, and particular place. so you can bet the search warrant is going to say that. and then they're going to try to, i hate to use this term, but connect the dots across the nation if they need be to see wherever those prescription, or that type of prescription may have been gotten from. also, some doctor may have written a prescription to it at a different location. and i'm certain that's what they're doing when they're looking in houston, they're looking in las vegas, and they

may have other places on the list, as well. >> michelle in massachusetts, your comment or question here? >> caller: i just have a question. they have search warrants going now. michael jackson died on the 25th. if it wasn't for that nurse, i forget her name, if it wasn't if she never came forth, would we be right now in las vegas, houston looking for this, or would michael jackson's death be unknown? >> you're talking about the nurse cherilyn lee. she's the one that came forward saying michael jackson basically begged her for what she was calling diprivan, which is propofol, the very powerful anesthetic. jim moret, i want to bring you in on that. that's an interesting point. where would we be right now without cheryl lynn legal stepping up as she did to tip tus off to what michael jackson might have been begging for here? >> there's no question that she re-directed all of the attention to this specific drug diprivan. because no one had ever heard of its use outside of a clinic, and certainly no one had heard of

its use with regard to michael jackson. i can't say when dr. murray allegedly told the cops, or admitted to them that he administered propofol. i suspect it may have been after cherilyn lee came forward, because they may have redirected the line of questioning. but clearly, she is the unsung hero in this investigation. she came forward. she had the character to say no, this is not proper to give this drug. and she stood up to michael jackson's request as apparently many doctors have not in the past. a lot of doctors have given him drugs, and we've seen it over the past. and that's clearly what the investigators are looking for. it's not just the death investigation, they're looking over years now of allege drug abuse. i suspect even after the death investigation is concluded, you're going to see a whole other list of possible doctors indicted. >> okay. we'll pick it up from there to talk about any specific doctors, people we might know. also under the radar being scrutinized by authorities. we'll take more of your calls. the number 1-877-tell-hln. we'll also talk about a movie

deal. is it a done deal? will the michael jackson movie featuring the last rehearsals be shown october 30th? is that the debut date?

welcome back. keeping you updated on this story. a florida couple, byrd and melody billings, killed during a ninja-style invasion. now a grand jury is deciding whether the suspects should face chairman that could wring the death penalty. also, attorneys for the couple talking about a second safe that was in the home. the motive here, robbery. that's what we're led to believe. that's ahead on "prime news." taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. taking your calls on the latest with michael jackson as well. let's go to the phones.

melissa is with us in virginia. hey, melissa. >> caller: hey, mike, how are you? >> good. >> caller: thanks for taking my call. a huge fan of michael jackson, so i've definitely been following everything that's been going on, keeping us updated. but i see they raided the pharmacy. >> right. >> caller: and no doubt that all fingers pointed to dr. murray, that, you know, he's guilty of something. but my main thing is that nobody's asked. they always say propofol, you know, dep pri van leaves the body so fast. so do they really have a time of death? did dr. murray just wait three or four hours hoping it would get out of his system so it wouldn't be found in his system? >> that's a good -- let's hit on this on a couple of fronts. ted rowlands, do we have a time line? we do not know the exact time of death, do we, ted? we know when it was announced. >> we have a time line that's been offered through dr. murray's lawyer, in terms of what dr. murray claims what happened in the events of that

morning. and then also we have a timeline from the chef who was inside the house a little bit. but nothing really glaringly would say that dr. murray was sitting with jackson for hours and didn't report it, you know, within a time frame. clearly he tried to revive michael jackson on his own. and he is a physician. in fact, you would easily argue that a physician is the best case scenario to have with you if you stop breathing, because rather than take you to the hospital, your doctor's right there. so the timing on this hasn't come out except sort of generically through his attorneys. that will be interesting to see in the coroner's report, as well. those types of specifics. we just don't know for sure at this point though. >> let me pick up the second part of that with jim moret. in all the studying and reporting and conversations you and i have had about propofol, does it dissipate from the system? or won't it be -- it will be seen in an autopsy report, won't it? >> the doctors i talked to said you will be able to find some evidence of propofol.

i want to pick up on what ted said, because he's absolutely right. we have a time line presented by the lawyer for dr. murray. but there is somewhat of a conflict between that time line and the chef's time line. the chef said that dr. murray, to the best of her recollection, ran downstairs between 12:05 and 12:10, shouting for michael jackson's son, prince, to come join him. >> right. >> we also know that the doctor called 911, about 12:22. so there's a 10 to 15-minute difference there. we know if michael jackson was in distress at 12:22, the doctor wasn't performing cpr, or trying to revive him 15 minutes earlier. and that raises a question, why wasn't the doctor, first of all, why wasn't 911 called earlier and why wasn't the doctor with michael jackson earlier, trying to revive him. so there are questions and as ted said, we hope to get some answers in this autopsy report. >> that same chef talked about basically the routine of dr.

murray was to come down, at least the way she says it, come down with oxygen tanks at 9:00 in the morning. she didn't see that on the morning that michael jackson died. so you bring up a good point, jim, that timeline issues we're hoping to finally get that nailed down when this autopsy report comes out. adrian, we're out of time? thanks so much, guys. as always, we appreciate it, guys. coming up, i've had no idea how these passengers kept their calm on this flight. stuck on the tarmac overnight. imagine being cramped, six hours on a plane, and they're not letting you off. >> the smells are getting worse. the bathroom was getting worse. the babies obviously started going to the bathroom. >> how about that, a living hell. what happened to passenger rights? call in on this one, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back. this would be my worst travel nightmare it, i'm sure yours, as well. late night, you're almost home, then you get diverted.

plane diverted by bad weather. that's not the worst of it. 47 passengers were on a continental airlines flight from houston to minneapolis. it's diverted to rochester, minnesota, around midnight. but the airline would not let them off. they were stuck on the tarmac. just hours into this ordeal, the plane turns into a hot mess. complete with overloaded, smelly toilets, screaming, smelly babies. this goes op for six hours. i'm surprised they didn't storm the door after all that. now we've got finger pointing going on. the airline blaming the airport and vice versa. here's what i want to know, what about the passengers? don't we have any rights in all this one? joining us to talk about it, kate, airline passenger bill of rights advocate. also with us, fred, an attorney who specializes in aviation law. and also with us, link kristen, a passenger who was actually onboard that flight. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. link, i hate to have you relive it, but put us on that plane. you get diverted. you land. then what?

>> when we landed, we were told immediately that they were going to refuel. and then when the storm passed minneapolis, we were going to fly to minneapolis. and so they told us that for an hour or so. then they said the storm was still lingering in the indianapolis area and it would be awhile longer. and another hour passed. and at that point they sort of changed their tune and said they were going to try to get a bus. and so they said they were working on getting us a bus to take us back. it's about a 90-minute drive. and so at all times we thought that help was on the way. we thought we were going to get off the plane. i don't think any of us understood why we weren't being allowed to go in the terminal. but probably about 4:00 in the morning, they made another announcement and said we have logistical problems with the bus, but we still think we can get you a bus. so they made that announcement. that's the last announcement they made.

and they let us out about 6:30. >> wow, okay. finally out at 6:30. that's unbelievable. so 4:00 a.m., i mean, now you've waited for all these delays. did anybody stand up and go, let us off this thing? i'm going nuts here. >> well, you know, in retrospect, i'm surprised nobody did. and that includes myself. but the real atmosphere in this cabin, i mean, everybody was on top of everybody. it's a cramped space. people -- this is the middle of the night. so you've got people extremely sleepy, and trying to fall asleep. you've got people who haven't eaten. i hadn't eaten since 3:00 in the afternoon. >> wow. >> there was no food. there was no drink after 12:30. and i think you've got people in a somewhat altered kind of numb state. i mean, we're all in a state of a little bit of shock. and exhaustion. if i had to try to articulate why we didn't do something more aggressively, that would be my explanation. certainly when i got home the

next day, the gravity of the whole thing hit me. and i thought, oh, my god, how did we let that happen. >> right. it makes sense. middle of the night, you're groggy, like you said, you're trying to fall asleep. but you couldn't sleep. what? you've got babies on board, right? >> i had a young couple behind me with a baby on their lap. i had a young couple two seats in front of me with a baby on their lap. and these seats are not even the size of a normal coach airplane. these are little tiny commuter seats. so those two couples were just going through a living hell with their children. and as the kids got more exhausted, not only were the parents in great distress, but the children, you know, were screaming all night. so you know, you'd almost get to sleep and one of the two babies would start screaming. >> wow. fred, how do you not just let them off? what happened here? >> well, mike, a bunch of things happened. the airlines love these little regional jets, but they're like

a passenger mailing tube. they're tiny and small. you heard the guy say the seats are small. i don't know how they got -- they ended up doing this. apparently a northwest flight came in to rochester, and they had a bus. they actually offered seats to the continental, and continental said no. it's actually not continental, it's one of their feeder airlines. i mean, and they kept these people on. the only reason you would keep these people on the airplane is thunderstorms kind of move through quickly and there's a break sometimes. and you may be sitting there, air traffic control may say to you, if you can wheels off in 15 minutes, we'll get you back in. but i haven't heard anything like that. quite frankly, they should have let these people off and let them go into the terminal. there was absolutely no reason not to do that. >> exactly. kate, what's a passenger's right in a case like this? what, we do if we're stuck through this living hell like that? >> i apologize for not being a better advocate, because right now passengers have zero rights.

and the only option they have is to get on the phone and call our hotline, and let us see if we can get the media over to the airport, or get ahold of the airport manager to make him aware that there's plane out on the tarmac. that's what we do every day on our hotline. which is 1-877-flyer-six. >> as we sit here right now, there's nothing we can do. is that what you're saying? >> i'm saying there's nothing. and i'm being brutally honest, because i'm tired. i'm tired of fighting with congress and dealing with, you know, yes, we're going to do something. yes, we have to do something. we know that passengers are suffering. we know the airlines are lying, bald-faced lying about these events. yet when it comes down to it, the airlines deny and delay, deny and delay. it's just happening over and over. we have a shot right now at -- >> guys we've got to take a quick break. we'll get continental's statement out there, what their explanation is. and more from the passenger, link coming up.

welcome back. are there mafia ties behind the brutal murders of florida couple byrd and melanie billings? such a horrible crime against parents who adopted more than a dozen kids. many of them with special needs. eight suspects have been arrested and it looks like the death penalty will be on the table for most of them. breaking developments here. let's bring in "prime news" correspondent richelle carey. richelle, get us updated. >> mike, the grand jury just indicted seven of the suspects on two counts each of first-degree murder. that allows prosecutors to seek the death penalty. also new today, we're learning  more about a second safe inside the billings' home. their attorney says contrary to rumors, it did not hold up to $12 million.

instead, it contained $164,000. as well as some antique jewelry and legal documents. from the beginning, police in escambia county, florida, they had said robbery was a motive behind the july 9th anyone janiot style home invasion. investigators say all eight suspects had mentioned the mexican mafia and one suspect even admits to being a member of the mexican mafia. one of byrd billings' former business partners who police say owed the mexican mafia thousands of dollars. >> richelle, thanks for the update on that. still so many questions. we'll take yours, by the way, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. let's bring in our guests. joining us, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, mike eiglarsh. rob williams in pensacola. rob, first off, let's hit mexican mafia ties. can you tell us anything else about that and that possibility? >> well, yeah, i'm kind of laughing, because i've looked at this same information and i'm scratching my head.

because believe me, gonzales senior and gonzales ] mike, are as anglo or more anglo than you or i. so that doesn't really register at all. and generally the mexican mafia trusts people, their piazans, if you will. good buddies, their relatives. so that one, that's a head scratcher. but i'll tell you what, $12 million rumor, it's a shame that those people were killed, if that was the real motive to get $12 million. i was trying to think how big that's enough money top fill a really big refrigerator. like a side-by-side freezer. that's huge. >> mark, as the grand jury looks at this death penalty has got to be on the table here. premeditation, killed in cold blood. what are you seeing here, mark? >> well, i'm not certain the death penalty is automatic. if death penalty was handed out for all first-degree murders, then it wouldn't have any teeth. the law says you take all the first-degree murder cases and then you say which specific ones of those warrant the ultimate sanction? that's what the prosecutors have to evaluate. and they'll look at the history

of each one of these people, who's cooperating and who's not. what their roles were. whether what they did was especially hin news atrocious and cruel or premeditated. that's what the prosecutors are evaluating. >> got you. we know this. rob, help me out here. leonard gonzalez jr., he's the alleged master mind and the alleged shooter, right? >> correct. he allegedly shot both the billings. used a .9 millimeter pistol. he's known as pat by those who grew up with him. he grew up being pat poff, which was the -- his adopted -- the dad who married his mom and then adopted him. >> okay. then he relinked up with his dad in prison, right? >> you know, i've got to do my research on that. suffice it to say, they were apart for a long time and then just in the last few years, changed his name back to gonzales. >> okay. to mark's point, rob, you've got eight people. they're talking. isn't that what we're hearing here? they're telling, you know,

they're ratting each other out, aren't they? >> absolutely. the first two arrested were gonzalez sr. and coldiron. and they were the ones -- the first ones to make the deals, the first ones that are going to save their lives as long as possible. and i tell you what, don't forget, we had that other arrest that was sort of on the periphery. everybody says that sheriff david morgan, you've seen him plenty on your show, when he said humdinger, he might have been underestimating how this is really going to go out. it's got a ways to go, mike. >> mike, at the bond hearing of gonzalez sr., it was the judge who raised gonzalez sr.'s bond. it was the prosecutor who said no, no, judge, leave it where it is. that was an indication to me that gonzalez sr. was first through the door, as we call it, working the best deal to make the best deal with the prosecutors. those are the one who's get the great zmnss. the rest? huh-uh. not so good. >> thanks, guys, we appreciate

it. let's move on to this story. the health care debate, it's getting heated. these town hall meetings have turned into screaming matches in many cases. emotions running high. case in point, lebanon, pennsylvania, democratic senator, arlen specter, pretty much played referee. one man interrupts. starts shouting. gets shoved by another. in missouri, just hours ago, a woman actually had to be escorted out during a meeting with senator claire mccaskill. let's give that a listen. >> we do a pretty good job i think of protecting people's privacy but don't do a very good job of communicating each other. so we catch a crook over here and the system over here. hey, hey, hey. okay. ma'am? okay. everybody sit down. everybody sit down. >> all right. obviously very unpredictable. house speaker nancy pelosi says this is an ugly campaign, and

drowning out opposing views. it's unamerican. what do you think? is this unamerican or democracy in action? we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining us to help sort this out chris frates, welcome him back from politico, come. and also joining us sherry ja b jacobus, a republican strategist. mike brown, democratic strategist and former dnc finance chair. chris, let's start with you. give us a feel here as we're coming onboard this story, of all the town halls, percentagewise, how many are turning into shouting matches? >> mike, i think what we're seeing played up are the shouting matches. i'm hearing from folks all over the country saying we're having very civil town halls. we're not seeing the kind of excitement around the country. what's playing is, what's clear, is that a lot of people feel very strongly about this. democrats want to say, well, folks are ginned up about it, it's outside groups ginning them up. but certainly there is genuine feeling, there's fear about what the health care reform plan means for them. and there's a sense that they don't understand the answers.

they want straight answers. and with a really complex subject like health care, sometimes it's even hard for members of congress to give a straight shooting answer. >> let's go to democratic strategist mike brown. mike, are you seeing the ugly campaign orchestrated effort? are you seeing americans voicing their opinions, something in between? what are you seeing, mike? >> i'm hoping it's the latter. i'm hoping we're seeing democracy at work. i mean, this is how it all started back in the mid and late-1700s. this is exactly how our democracy started. so i'm hoping that's what it is. i think there have been some folks that are a little concerned that the way the media's covering this, folks do know if they act up in a town hall meeting, they'll be on the news that night. so i do think there's some of that that's going on as well. but i'm certainly hopeful that most of this is just democracy at work. >> okay. sherri, your thoughts? >> i'm going to agree. i think this is democracy at work. and sometimes democracy is hard. but look, this is a very big issue. it's 18% of the u.s. economy. it's something that affects literally everyone.

and people start -- i think this was somewhat predictable, people started getting nervous a few weeks ago when it was clear that the president really wanted to ram this through congress, get a vote without members looking at -- being familiar with the bill and reading it and get it done before the august recess so they then they'd have to go home and defend their vote, kind of fall on their sword for him instead of going back to have this dialogue with au their constituents. i think it's uncomfortable, if they had had the vote, what we're seeing now is nothing had it been if they had rammed it through. i think it's a good thing people are involved. yes, there's a little bit of drama, but that's not unexpected for an issue that's this important. >> chris, what's the tact from president obama from the white house? are they counteroffensive now? are they back on offense? are they retooling a message? lay it out for us. >> i think what is happening for president obama is, he's been put on the defensive. i think democrats were caught a little off guard by the scope and the ferocity of the responses.

they've started a website to try to fact check some of the rumors that are going on out there. they've had citizens to send along e-mails if they see something fishy about a claim that's being made, circulating out there in cyberspace, to pass it along so they can debunk it or explain it on the white house website. and in the town hall today, president obama took a lot of time to talk about why this is a good plan for the middle class, why particularly it's a good plan for seniors who, when you look at the polling, are really concerned about this, and doubt whether or not it would do the job, and make health care cheaper for americans. so he's had to spend a lot of time explaining to a lot of groups why they should be for this kind of reform. >> okay. we're going to take some calls when we come back. call in with your comments or questions, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. we'll ask cheri, what's her greatest concern? we'll let mike brown rebut that if need be and more from chris, as well. we want to hear from you. 1-877-tell-hln is the number.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. we've got a volatile topic, a lot to get to, about three minutes. let's keep it moving. we're talking about the health care debate. we've got experts standing by. we'll get calls real quick. wade from virginia, your thoughts about the protests? >> caller: i don't think it should be disorderly. but i think that what it is, is the american people are fed up with our government trying to

rip us off. and i think maybe that's the only way that they can be heard. >> got you. >> caller: you know, if they want to have our health care, put us on what they have. >> okay. let's get another call in. dennis with us in texas, dennis, go ahead. >> caller: hi. my thing is, i'm all about open debate, but that's not what this is. these people at these meetings are really disrupting the other people's rights to learn about what's going on. when you scream and yell and start fighting, you're actually interfering with that other person's freedom. >> both callers there may not agree on the central issue, but they agree that there's too much yelling going on. cheri, does that hurt those that actually have true concerns with president obama's health care plan? >> i think there's two things going on. and as i referenced before, a lot of this started before they got home and when it was clear washington was trying to ram this through without talking to the american people, with members not knowing what was in

this bill. i think that's where a lot of this anger comes from. they know that the president, anyway, had no intention of letting there be any dialog. then you have other people who really want to learn and ask questions. so i'm not saying that one is better than the other, one is right or wrong, it's just two very real things going on. then you've got nancy pelosi and steny hoyer, basically calling the people that are there un-american and unpatriotic. that is certainly not helpful. it doesn't help the democrat members of congress that are holding these meetings to have this going on. it's unfortunate. >> let me get mike in on that. mike, what do you see coming from the white house? what's the best tact to take? you can't demean people for stating their case. but we're also hearing from average citizens who are calling the show saying hey, the yelling's got to stop. your call on this, mike? >> first i have to disagree a little bit about what was just said about the lack of inclusion. i think president obama has probably been more inclusive than maybe any other president in recent memory on an issue so complicated as this. i think that's part of the problem with, i think as one of

the callers called it disorderly conduct or whatever term he used. used is that he's right. folks now, this is very complicated. what the media is reporting is basically these kind of ugly incidents, not what's in the bill. and how it's going to affect americans. so this ugliness, whatever you want to call it, is affecting folks getting educated about the bill. which is, frankly, something we do need. we're the only industrialized country in the world that does not have health care for its residents. >> we need members of congress to become educated on the bill, too. >> everybody. i'm not saying they're more educated than anyone else. the point is, the media is just covering the ugly incidents. >> i'll say this, though, regardless of the side you're on, i think we agree we all want to hear this out. it's like a fair fight in a boxing ring. let both sides throw their punches and we'll see what side we want to take. >> it doesn't help for republicans to say no to everything. just because they have nothing to say.

>> there's the shot. chris, you knew what was coming, didn't you? thanks, you guys. >> we'll keep mixing it up with the octo mom nadya suleman. here's what's been announce, a two-hour tv special. here's what it is. exploitation of those little kids. those little babies. going to bring in jane velez-mitchell to talk about that.

all right. here we go. the octo mom coming soon to a tv near you. yeah, fox is going to air a two-hour primetime special later this month on nadya suleman and her 14 kids called "octo mom, the incredible unseen footage." the network calls it a fly on the wall look what it's like to

take care of so many kids. come on, this is exploitation of kids. that's what you're going to be a fly on the wall taking party to. want to bring in jane velez-mitchell host of issues with jane velez-mitchell." we've got breaking news. reports that octo mom is in the hospital. what gives? >> indeed. radar online the source of all things octo mom is reporting she's back at kaiser permanente in bell flower. we don't know why. she's expected to remain in the hospital for at least another 24 to 48 hours. they're saying it's not a big deal. i think anytime somebody is hospitalized overnight is a big deal. it would be very interesting to see what this is all about. we know she had had several procedures and perhaps there were complications. i have no idea. maybe it's the stress of this upcoming two-hour special that's supposed to be polarizing is according to the tv honcho involved. apparently she did not have final signoff on who on the

footage. in other words, she doesn't say yeah, take that out. who knows, maybe she got a glimpse of it and said i've got to go to the hospital. >> i wouldn't expect that to come. i have to go to the hospital. >> what -- i guess we'll find out the 19th what is hopolarizi. >> i think her whole lifestyle is polarizing. who should have 14 kids in this day and age when there are millions kids around the world that are dying of malnutrition and this woman goes out and has 14 kids and then i don't know how to care for them. i better put them on tv so that they can have food in their mouths. i mean, it's -- it makes my head explode, the self-centeredness of every decision she's made along the way. >> you know what breaks my heart? one of the scenes radar showed, the person -- whoever was filming second her what does the father look like. she points at one of her sons, one of the older ones, and says

like him. i mean, there's this poor kid, a little boy, who is probably wondering himself deep down in his heart who is my father? what does he look like? and you're going to trivialize that? that was just awful. i hope that that -- that kind of garbage is not a part of this two-hour special, jane. >> well, i tell you, one of the things that they say that we're going to see is all 14 kids crying at once. i personally don't want to see that. i mean, if that happens, it's sad. but apparently that's the kind of fly on the wall stuff we'll be seeing. in other words, out of control, all the kids are crying, screaming at once. the eight are crying in bed. the others are running around the house screaming and crying. >> oh, brother. okay. chaos there. jane, "issues with jane velez-mitchell" coming up in less than ten minutes. jane, always good talking to you. if you want to call in, go ahead. the line is open. 8