-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking news tonight. live to oakland. and a search, now desperate, for a missing 5-year-old, afflicted with cerebral palsy. the boy vanishes from the back seat of a car. they are just outside a shoe store at busy suburban shopping center. the little boy, with braces on both legs, can hardly walk. how? how could he just disappear and nobody sees a thing? canine tracker dogs, rescue teams and police, spread out grid-style, across the city of oakland. police seizing a bmw as evidence. tonight, where is 5-year-old hassani?

>> worst fear is he's gone somewhere and he's lost, he's frightened, he's hurt himself. >> oakland police are desperately searching for a missing 5-year-old boy who's disabled, suffering from cerebral palsy. 5-year-old hassani campbell was last seen in a friend's bmw outside a busy shoe store in a busy part of the city. reports are a family friend went inside the store briefly. when he came out, hassani was nowhere to be found. >> he frantically searched the neighborhood. asked if anybody had seen his son. and nobody could find him. >> police say hassani could not have gone far. he wears braces on both legs and does not walk very well. investigators fear he may have been kidnapped. reportedly towing the bmw the boy was last seen in hoping to discover clues that could indicate what happened. >> it's notable to see a young man walking around with braces on his legs. and no response. and tonight, right under our own noses. waitresses, many of them

teenagers, forced into working in a sex ring. and, listen, it's not happening far away. in some third-world country. oh, no. it is right here. in ritzy, toney long island. home to the stars, celebrities, luxurious beaches, world-class golf courses, restaurants. and teen waitresses forced into sex rings. >> swarms of fbi agents rescue dozens of young women. some just 17 years old. during the overnight hours. all employees allegedly forced to perform sexual acts at a portuguese and mexican restaurant in farmingdale. >> the women were recruited and told they'd be working as waitresses. once they arrived, they were forced to perform sex acts on customers. those that didn't obey were allegedly beaten and raped. >> police say the bust started with a tip from a young female victim, that stumbled into the job as an unsuspecting waitress. other victims came forward. telling agents the three

suspects lured them in on the internet. a promise of opportunity. only to, according to federal court papers, be beaten, raped, fondled and forced to perform stripteases for and by patrons. >> the three suspects, antonio rivera, his sister jasmine rivera, and bar manager john whaley were arrested and charged in federal court with sex trafficking and forced labor. they could all face life in prison. also tonight, to milwaukee. a grandfather found dead on a living room floor, stabbed to death. the suspect, his granddaughter. motive? police say she stabbed him, literally, over spilled milk. >> a 13-year-old girl, arrested. after police say she stabbed a relative to death. allegedly over spilled milk.

>> family and friends say the 41-year-old man who was killed by the 13-year-old girl is robert moon. he was the girl's step-grandfather. family members told us the girl was arguing with moon in his home, because she wanted to know why little milk was left for her cereal. >> police say the 13-year-old girl, enraged, when the victim robert moon uses almost all of the remaining milk. pouring it for the youngest child in the home. after the alleged teen killer curses at moon, he pours the milk down the drain. she allegedly stabbing moon in the neck, puncturing his carotid artery. >> the young suspect is described as a troubled teen. and the family can't understand why this happened. >> a neighbor said the girl ran from the house, drenched in blood, yelling, i cut his throat. he's dead. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. everyone, very quickly. i want to thank you for all of your calls, your e-mails and support today. today, august 11, the release date of my first novel.

a murder mystery thriller, "the eleventh victim." now part of my proceeds go to wesley glen ministries. it's a charity that provides a loving home to the mentally handicapped. again, i want to thank you. and i hope you like the book. and now, to oakland. and the search, tonight, desperate, for a missing 5-year-old little boy afflicted with cerebral palsy. he vanishes into thin air from the backseat of a car. there, just outside a shoe store, at a busy suburban shopping center. >> authorities in oakland, california, are searching for clues in the case of missing 5-year-old, hassani campbell, who is disabled with cerebral palsy. a family friend was reportedly with the boy monday afternoon at a shoe store where hassani's aunt works. according to reports, the family friend told cops he left hassani in his bmw, just outside the back door of the store, while he went inside the store briefly. when the friend came back out, the boy was gone.

>> there's a lot of foot traffic here. there's a lot of vehicle traffic. i asked people if they saw him. no, they didn't see him. >> the entire area was shut down by investigators. as search dogs combed for clues. police fearful hassani may have been abducted. reportedly taking the family friend's bmw to the police yard to search for evidence. >> walk up to him, call him, call 911, police come, take custody of him, hope he's reunited with his family. >> straight out to henry lee kay, reporter with the "san francisco chronicle." it's very difficult for me to believe, just applying common sense, that a 5-year-old little boy, who has cerebral palsy, has braces on both legs, he can barely walk, could just walk away from the car and get lost. i don't see it. and how could others not see him being taken from that car? >> that's right, nancy. that's a very good question. so, the police are trying to see if, in fact, little hassani campbell was taken away from the bmw that belongs to his foster

parent. we have now learned that it's his foster dad that was trying to drop him off at his biological aunt's shoe store. the fact that no one saw him either walking around or being kidnapped is of grave concern. we don't know where he is at this moment. but police are investigating, nancy. >> to sebastian koontz, reporter with k.n.e.w. talk 910. sebastian, thank you for being with us. it's my understanding that police are saying the foster dad has been totally cleared. >> i understand that's also the case, nancy. in fact, we understand that the bmw, the vehicle that the boy had been in, up to the point of his disappearance, is also being searched. they don't have any leads yet. it was the most recent place that the boy was seen. thus that's how they were sort starting this search. as you said, a boy with cerebral palsy and who needs to walk with little leg braces like this for support is not going to be easily missed by any witnesses in the area. >> what time of the day or night did this happen, sebastian?

>> it was just after 4:00 p.m. yesterday. we have had over 24 hours searching. oakland police were back at it today. interviewing people, investigators and detectives are combing the two-block area. they had it shut down. helicopters. scent dogs, police dogs, smelling. they went so far as to keep the patrons of a nearby restaurant inside that restaurant so as to try and not disturb the scent that the dogs were trying to use. didn't come up with anything. >> back to henry lee. lee joining us with "the san francisco chronicle." who called police? >> what do know is that the foster dad, whose name we do not have, called police and others certainly, notified officers this boy is nowhere to be found. he said they went through the store -- >> what time? >> about 4:00 p.m. monday. >> what time did they call police? >> shortly after the disappearance was discovered. >> who, if anything else, out to you matt zarella, who broke the story.

who, if anyone else, saw the little boy in the bmw to start with? >> that's a good question, nancy. this is a very busy area. there's a lot of vehicle traffic. a lot of foot traffic. police say they haven't talked to anyone who has seen the boy. they are interviewing registered sex offenders in the area. that's something they could look into. >> maybe i'm crazy, marc klaas, founder of klaas kids foundation. why do you leave a boy in a car? why do you leave a child in an unlocked car in a shopping mall? >> yesterday, i was in the bay area. it was probably the hottest day of the year so far. temperatures were in the high 80s, if they were anything. just another reason why none of this story makes sense. i think what we have to do is find the other person that saw that little boy last and start establishing time lines from that point on. i can't for a minute believe that anybody has been cleared in this situation yet. >> i'm not understanding the whole scenario. it doesn't make sense to me. >> no. >> the way it's all unfolding.

everybody, we are desperate, along with police and family, to find a 5-year-old little boy. he has cerebral palsy. he has braces on both legs. and he disappeared from a busy shopping center. a suburban shopping center, outside a shoe store. with me tonight and i know you will recognize him. lawrence carter long. he is the executive director for disabilities network of new york city. he has cerebral palsy. and once the poster boy, literally, for cerebral palsy. there he is. i remember that very well. lawrence, as always, thank you for being with us. lawrence, from what you have learned about his disability, what do you believe about the possibility that he just got out of the car and walked off? and, listen, my twins are only 21 months old. when i talk them to a store, or a -- the grocery store, they will run, two different ways. one toward the door.

one toward the dairy section. and they can easily try to disappear. >> exactly. just as any 5-year-old would do. and if you noted by the photograph that you showed there, i was a 5-year-old who wore leg braces. so i know exactly what that's like. life is not hollywood. this is not "forrest gump." he's not going to shuck those braces and run down the street. i think there's some things we need to be looking at that haven't been asked in the usual media outlets. one thing i noticed about the establishment, is we were told that he was parked in the back. so that the child could have easier access to the back entrance which was accessible, but if you look at the google maps or some of the niz footage that shows the establishment from the front, you will also notice that the front entrance is wheelchair accessible. there's no steps. if both entrances were accessible, why was the child left in back? how long was the child left in back? those are the questions we need to be asking.

>> everybody, we are taking your calls live. tonight, the situation grows more urgent in a search for a 5-year-old little boy, braces on both legs, missing in the oakland area. 510-238-3641, tip line. we are taking your calls live. >> immediately, there was five or six cop cars right after that. it was pretty quick. at that point, our customers were here. we find -- a number of our regulars ran out to see if they could find the little boy.

more than a dozen police officers have fanned out in this area, looking for 5-year-old hassani campbell. alameda county sheriff's rescue team has joined the search with dogs. police say around 4:00, they received a call for help from the 5-year-old boy's father. he told officers he drove his son to shoes of rockridge, where the boy's mother works, so he could leave the child in her care. police say the father left the boy in the bmw in the back lot of the store while he walked around to the front to unlock the door. when the father opened the store's back door, he told police his son was gone. >> he frantically searched the neighborhood. asking people if anybody had seen his son. and nobody could find him. >> police say hassani couldn't have gone far on his own, because he suffers from cerebral palsy and wears braces on both legs. investigators say they fear he was either kidnapped or is frightened and hiding somewhere. they describe him as african-american, small for his age. three feet tall. and weighs 40 pounds. he has short, black hair and brown eyes. he was wearing a gray sweatshirt

and sweatpants. police are asking people in the area to check their backyards and basements for any sign of hassani. >> they can walk up to him. talk to him. call 911, police will come. take custody of him. and hopefully reunite him with his family. >> there's a lot of foot traffic here. there's a lot of vehicle traffic. there's this business right here, a bar/restaurant, that had a lot of people outside. and that's one of the places i went and asked people if they saw him. no, they didn't see him. it's kind of notable to see a young man walking around with braces on his legs and nobody saw him. >> look at this little boy's face. he's only three feet tall. he has braces on both legs. he can hardly walk. and he is missing. he was apparently taken from a bhw vehicle parked just outside a shoe store at a very busy suburban shopping center. 5-year-old hassani missing. right now, the search turning

desperate. we are taking your calls. out to gina kay in mississippi. hi, dear. >> caller: hi. how are you tonight? >> i'm good, dear. what's your question? >> caller: okay, thank you. i was going to tell you also that i listened to your interview with jane velez-mitchell. it was stunning. it was great. >> thank you very much. >> caller: okay, i just have a couple of questions, i'll be very quick. >> okay. >> caller: a 5-year-old in a car. think about this. was the 5-year-old ever really there? >> i've already been wondering that, gina. i'm writing it down. what's your next question? >> caller: okay. also, why didn't he just park the car and take the child with him at that moment when he left? why would he park the car in one area and go to the back of the store? why not just take the child? >> i'm telling you, gina kay, mississippi, it doesn't make sense to me. but i was told, as we went to air, that they had cleared this foster father. that he was totally on the up and up. and listen. we've covered so many stories, gina kay. where you leave the kid in the car for three minutes. you run into a 7-eleven to get a

bag of ice. you come out, the kid's gone. i don't even leave them when i'm at home in georgia, i don't even leave them, the twins, in the car in the driveway. i don't do it. if i have to go back in, i get both of them. one in this arm. one in this arm. light two little footballs. and go back, in whether they're kicking and screaming, doesn't matter. they are not left alone in a car. near they're not left alone without somebody with them. and i want to clear up the facts. back out to you, henry k. lee, with "the san francisco chronicle." gina kay's right. i keep asking, who else saw this child? a 5-year-old with leg braces on both legs. who else can place him in that car, ever, other than the foster father? >> well, that's a very good question, nancy. we have no information from the police as far as confirmed sightings of the boy. in cases i covered before, there have been instances in which

parents don't want to wake up a sleeping child, and i'm not saying that is what happened here, but it could be a combination of a sleeping child, scarce parking, but whatever the case is, a relatively safer neighborhood in oakland. and now, this has happened. >> okay. so, what i'm hearing, henry lee, translation. nobody else you know of can place the child in the car, other than the foster father. >> that's right. sources close to the case are telling me there's no reason not to believe the faster father's account. >> to sebastian kunz. agree or disagree? >> everything i'm hearing, nancy, is in agreement with henry. in fact, it sort of plays into one of the first questions i got when i reported for work at the radio station this morning. which was one listener said, why haven't our amber alert pagers gone off? it may be to the fact that the police aren't clear -- on whether or not this is -- >> what about it marc klaas? that's your expertise. he's right. where's the amber alert? >> if they don't have a suspect, if they don't have a vehicle, make, model or license plate number, they are not going to call an amber alert.

>> got it. >> they didn't call one for my daughter. they don't call them for most missing kids. >> that's just wrong. i know that's your expertise. but that's just wrong. >> yeah. >> that's just wrong. we're taking your calls live. 5-year-old little boy. braces on both legs. missing tonight. are you guilty of being our show's number one fan? plead your case. send us your story as to why that fan is you. we're looking for fan stories. if your e-mail or i-report makes air, you win an autographed copy of my new book "the eleventh victim." and a chance to fly to new york and come to the show live. get busy with that video cam and e-mails. go to cnn.com/nancygrace.

police are asking people in the area to check their backyards and basements for any signs of hassani. investigators say they fear that he was either kidnapped or is frightened and hiding somewhere. patrons at the nearby barclays pub were asked by police not to leave the establishment for about 30 minutes while a k-9 search got under way.

>> they didn't want anyone leaving any of the businesses because that would have thrown off the scent. >> straight back to lawrence carter-long, the executive director of disabilities network of new york city. he has cerebral palsy. lawrence, what is this child up against, with cerebral palsy? >> well, i think what the child is up against, is some of the same ignorance and misunderstanding that's out there in the world at large. the questions we really need to be asking ourselves and looking at is what is really going on with this case? there's so many unanswered questions that we need to be looking at. the takeaway, though, the lesson, is whether your child has a disability or not, don't leave a 5-year-old unattended. >> straight to the line. sheba, illinois. hi, sheba. >> caller: hi. i just love you, nancy. >> hey. we've been missing you. >> caller: i know. i've been ill. but i miss you so much. but i always -- >> sheba, get well. we need you. >> caller: i always -- i always

watch your show no matter what. my question is, nancy, do you think that possibly someone saw what happened? and are afraid to talk? >> excellent question. to ron shindell, former nypd deputy inspector. what about it, ron? >> in a case like this with a 5-year-old missing child, especially with a child with special needs, that tends to be a long shot. people see a child -- >> ron, how many times do you see injustice. and people just walk by like they didn't see anything. nobody knows anything. nobody saw anything. i don't find it that hard to believe. >> it's a long shot, i think, nancy. i think most people with a 5-year-old child, especially with special needs would come forward. >> to sebastian kunz, what about it? >> i tend to think that's true, nancy. i mean, this is an area that is a commercial area. there's potentially surveillance cameras in the region. the problem is, he was pulled up

to the back of the shoe store. and that causes some issues. if there may or may not -- >> and henry k. lee, has the foster father taken a polygraph? >> police aren't telling us if he's taken it or not. but certainly, he's part of the investigation. ddddddddd

two owners and a manager of two long island bars have been arrested for allegedly running a sex trafficking ring. authorities allege dozens of women, some as young as 17, were lured with promises of legitimate jobs. and ended up being forced into prostitution. >> richard ramos works at a hair salon in the same plaza. he said he didn't know about the alleged prostitution but says some of his customers are regulars there. saying everyone seems to know it's the waitresses, not the food, that draws the crowd. >> we know they're pretty.

we know that. but they're quiet. they keep their mouth shut a lot. >> the suspects under arrest, include 34-year-old antonio rivera, who is listed on the new york state sex offender registry. also arrested in the raid his sister, jasmine, and john whaley of bellport who cops say worked at both facilities. >> straight out to sophia hall, wbco news radio 88. it's really hard for us to take in, sophie, yeah that right here, right under our noses -- this is long island. that's where the hamptons are. we always hear about these stars taking their planes there for the entire summer, living in big, huge houses, like billy joel and jerry seinfeld. huge stars live out there. world-class golf courses. ritzy shopping. the works. and for forced sex rings. on waitresses, at a restaurant, right there in a strip center. how?

>> well, let me tell you. i'm told when news photographers tried to take one of the suspects' photo, he yelled "stop, stop, i'm a family man." but apparently, nancy, this was a family affair. authorities say a brother, a sister and a manager of the restaurant/bar, all accused of running this sex slave ring. and the leader, i'm told, antonio rivera, also known as tony, is a registered sex offender. convicted back in '98 for having sex with a 13-year-old girl and a 14-year-old girl. >> unleash the lawyers. veteran defense attorney, atlanta georgia, raymond giudice. high-profile lawyer, joseph lawless, author of "prosecutorial misconduct" in the philadelphia jurisdiction. how? how, ray giudice? he's a two-time loser with two sex offenses under his belt. how is he out and about, forcing teenage girls into a sex ring? >> first of all, we don't know what happened to the sentence. whether he completed his pardons

and paroles on that case. but the point is that i guarantee you there is a network that these people belong to that is helping bring these girls into the country -- >> put them up. i want to see his face. does that somehow lessen, what tony rivera is doing? >> no. what a lot of people don't understand, is the thoroughness and the internationalness of these sex trade networks -- >> whoa. the internationalness? >> i'm making up a word. >> is that a word? >> it's everywhere. you seem shocked it's down the street from where you live. i'm telling you -- >> i don't live up in long island with all those rich people, don't start that with me. >> my point is don't be surprised, this is happening everywhere in this country and worldwide, people are shipping children, young girls, all around the world. >> if your argument to me is, everybody's doing it, fine. >> no, nancy. of course, i'm not. you know i didn't say that. >> the best place to hide something is in plain sight. if it's under your nose, you're not going to look at it because you don't think it's there.

>> that's true. >> this is a bar in a strip mall. who's going to look for a prostitution ring in a bar in a strip mall? >> out to marlene schiavo our producer standing by there in long eyeland. i'm having a hard time taking it in. how many of swing by a strip mall for whatever. this has very heavy foot traffic. car traffic there. and right here, at this little bar/restaurant, teenagers, teen girls, waitresses, forced into sex rings. >> that's right, nancy. 23 girls, to be specific. many of them that are 17 years old. i spoke to a storefront owner, the person behind me, where this alleged sex ring took place. and she said this bar didn't open up until 9:00 or 10:00 at night, way after the other stores have closed. she said the shades were always down. the shades are down right now. and they never saw any activity. and the activity took place all

night long, and in the basement of this bar. >> a lot of people say women don't go into prostitution against their will. many of you have a point. but these -- many of these are teenage girls. joining me there in island, marlene schiavo. out to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer. ellie, this is right under our noses. what are the potential penalties for these guys? >> right. well, nancy, antonio rivera and his sister, jasmine, as well as their bar manager john whaley, are facing some really stiff charges. sex trafficking. forced labor. conspiracy. those first two charges, each of them individually carries a life sentence. >> whatever judge gets this case, we are going to be watching you. and these people better seek justice. they better meet up with lady justice, in the courtroom.

with me right now, a special guest, bradley miles. he is a human trafficking expert with polarisproject.org. thanks for being with us. how prevalent is human trafficking like this, forcing teenagers into sex rings, in our country? >> nancy, it is more prevalent than people realize. i'll tell you that right now. we operate the national hotline for the country. we've learned about 2,500 potential victims over the past two years. the government estimates we have, you know, 14,500 to 17,500 people who are brought across the borders and then held in these modern-day slavery situations. and it happens to u.s. citizen teens. we have estimates out there, 100,000 to 300,000 u.s. citizen kids at high risk for being held in sex slavery in the united states. these numbers are huge. >> that's so hard for me to take in. dr. jeff gardiere.

psychologist and author of "love prescriptions" and many other books. for instance, when you go into a restaurant like this, and one of these waitresses waits on you, brings you food or your drink. why don't they say something? >> because they are being coerced. we found out in this particular case that if these girls did not want to cooperate with getting involved in these sex acts, they would beat them. they would rape them. this is a form of torture. >> out to the lines. brenda in utah. hi, dear. >> caller: hi. thank you for taking my call. >> thank you for calling in. what's your question? >> caller: well, i'm just curious. i saw another program. i won't mention which one, just recently. saying that even though they're underaged children, and prostitutes, they're still charged with prostitution. are these girls, since they're slaves, in effect, are they going to be charged for prostitution? or are they going to get the counseling and other kind of help that they need so they can return to their regular life? >> excellent question, brenda. to sofia hall.

wcbs news radio 880. i saw, pursuant to brenda's question, out of utah, a whole string of ladies going onto what looked like a government or police bus. what was that? >> well, they were actually bringing these 23 women out of this bar and restaurant. and they are not going to be charged with anything. in fact, authorities told me they're actually going to try to help these girls the best they can. try to move on with their lives. it's going to be hard because, like you said, they were scared to death and lived in horror. >> they're scarred forever, like every crime victim. thank god this has been busted. but like bradley miles was telling us, there's thousands of similar cases across our country. america. our beautiful america. this is happening right under our noses. these are little girls. many of them teenagers. we're taking your calls live. right now, the verdict is in. tonight's winner of the show's

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a 13-year-old wisconsin girl is charged with murder, after police say she stabbed a relative in the neck, because he allegedly spilled out the milk she wanted for her cereal. a relative told police the victim, robert moon, sarcastically told the teen she could have the rest of the milk, after he poured a glass for the youngest child. the teen suspect, allegedly cursing at the victim. and moon spills the milk down the drain.

in a rage, the teen grabs a knife and stabs the man in the neck. >> the milk wasn't hers. it was robert's stepdaughter. he told her she could get some after his stepdaughter got some. she got mad and just put the knife in, stabbed him in the neck. robert was a nice person. every time i bring my baby over, he would be, like, you know -- he would, like -- he was a nice person. she shouldn't have did that to him. >> to kathy cheney, investigative reporter joining us out of chicago, a 13-year-old stabbing her step-grandfather, literally over spilled milk? what happened? >> apparently, it appears there had been some type of tension that had been growing between the 13-year-old and the step-grandad. and it all boiled over over the spilled milk. she wanted some cereal.

and i guess he tormented her with the last bit of milk. he poured it down the drain. and i guess it sent her over the top. and she sliced his throat. >> clark goldband? >> here's what we know from law enforcement and witness accounts, nancy. the 13-year-old girl and the step-grandpa are there in the kitchen. step-grandpa is pouring milk for the youngest child in the home. there's apparently just a drop left. he says, wait a second, you'll get the milk for your cereal when i'm done. she apparently raises her tone with him. he gets upset and pours the last drop of milk down the drain in the kitchen. he leaves with the glass of milk. heads into the next room so the child can drink the milk. the 13-year-old girl takes off him. she allegedly knocked the milk out of his hand. grabs a paring knife from inside the sink of the home and stabs him allegedly in his carotid artery. he yells, "she stabbed me, she stabbed me," falls to the ground and dies. >> out to the lines. lori in alabama. thank you for calling. what's your question, dear?

>> caller: i want to know, did she come from a violent past, is why she's living with her grandparents? >> excellent question. out to you kathy cheney, what do we know? this girl is just 13 years old. she's a tiny, petite girl. >> yes. you know, all the details are coming forth about what the living arrangements were. i know her mother did show up in court with her today, as well as both of her grandmothers. but we're still getting the details of what the living arrangement was. >> have there been any allegations of child molestation, kathy? >> there have not been thus far. but we are trying to get those details. i mean, there has to have been something that pushed this girl over the edge, because this isn't the first time allegedly, that she's pulled a knife on the step-grandfather. >> out to the lawyers. raymond giudice, atlanta. joseph lawless out of philadelphia. i don't know about that. we want to assume. and we do this, for instance, when a mother kills the child. we want to assume there's more to the story.

but that isn't necessarily true, joe. >> no. but, nancy, families have fights. children throw tantrums. normal children don't pick up a knife and strike out. there could be something going on in her background. psychologically, psychiatrically, we don't know about yet. we know there was an act yet. we don't know the intention. we don't know state of mind. that's going to take a while to figure out. unfortunately. >> to dr. david posey, medical examiner, forensic pathologist with the glen oaks pathology medical group. what do you make of the particular wound? is there any way he could have been saved? >> if direct pressure had been applied right away, yeah. but the carotid artery is the major artery in the neck. the major artery in the neck. >> show it to us. where is it? >> right along here. and it's carrying blood, oxygenated blood, from the heart. it's being pumped into the blood system and it's taking that to the head and brain. and the artery is about the size of your little finger. maybe a pen. it only takes seconds to pump out a large volume of blood. maybe every time the heart beats

you might lose, say, six to 8 ounces of blood within seconds, minutes. minute or two, you're going to have enough blood loss, the patient goes into irreversible hypoglycemic or loss of blood shock. and there's nothing that can be done to help the patient. >> unless someone with some type of training, really, had applied direct pressure, with a towel or rag, to the carotid artery, that would have been the only way to save him? and how long -- they could have saved him until the police or an ambulance got there? >> yes. if direct pressure would have been applied immediately, within the first few seconds, the chances are he may have been saved. we're hearing it's one carotid artery. maybe both sides were cut. if both sides are cut, it's lights out. there's no way to get blood to the brain. the brain will die without blood. there is blood coming back here. through the vertebral arteries. but that doesn't give you enough blood over a long period of time to get the patient to the

hospital and the arteries reconnected. there would be severe brain damage. i think it's a very serious wound. >> to raymond giudice, defense attorney, atlanta, georgia. the good news for her is that according to our u.s. supreme court, nobody 16 or under can be put to death, can get the death penalty. but if she is charged as a juvenile, she may not be looking at anything more than 18 months to five years. >> that's right. >> she can treated as an adult. but not the death penalty. >> that's right. she has those protections. and her defense counsel is going to start exploring some of the issues that your callers have called about. has she been exposed to violence? has she been exposed to domestic violence or sex abuse? i agree with you -- >> why don't you throw in video games too, ray, you left that one out. >> you're right, sometimes there's nothing there. but her lawyer's job is to flesh those issues out. and if they're there, bring them to the court's attention in the juvenile court. >> jeff, we need a shrink. weigh in. >> all right.

well, her defense attorney needs to show that she didn't know right from wrong. so, when they do an assessment, they're going to look at iq to see if there was some sort of borderline retardation. and they'll look at whether there was any psychosis, as far as hallucinations, so she didn't know what her actions were about. >> good try, jeff. kelly, wisconsin, what's your question, dear? i think i have kelly in wisconsin. do you have a question? >> caller: yes, i do, nancy. i think the last caller asked if she had any psychological past, any problems. since the last caller asked that question, i want to take this time to just -- i am so encouraged with your new book. you're going to make my christmas very easy. i'll buy each person, every family and friend, that book. so i want to thank you and congratulations on your new book, nancy. i love you to death. >> kelly in wisconsin, thank you so much. i've been working on this book nearly ten years, believe it or not.

and in addition to thanking kelly in wisconsin for her kind words, a special thank you to the "today" show host kathie lee gifford and hoda coffey for having me on this morning. not only about the twins, but about the novel "eleventh victim." also, thank you to jane velez-mitchell for having me on as a guest and robin roberts for having me on, and also sam champion who gave the twins raincoats when they were born, and also bill o'reilly, and also the cases that we cover, but the book "eleventh victim" and thank you all very, very much.

i want to thank you so much for all of your calls and your e-mails about my book, "eleventh victim," it comes out on august 11. you are the very first to see

it, right now, of course, after lucy, pictured here, who grabbed it first. it's about a prosecutor who tries her best to give up criminal law and start a new life, but when her friends are murdered, one by one, the nypd hones in on her. it took me years to write this book. i started when i first left felony prosecution, and i missed it so much. since then, i wrote another book and published it, launched this show with my producer, dean, got married, got pregnant, gave birth, nearly died, didn't, and finished the book. i hope you like it. part of my proceeds go to a charity, wesley glenn, who takes care of the mentally handicapped that need a loving home. you can find this book on our website. again, everyone, thank you. let's stop and remember marine lance corporal, daniel garinger, 20.

lake charles, louisiana. from a long line of families serving the military. set for a second tour to afghanistan. loved football. remembered for love of family, sense of humor. went to college at mcneese state university. an organ donor, wanted to give someone the gift of life. leaves behind parents and sisters. an american hero. thanks to our guests but especially to you. a special good night from california, new york, and florida friends of the show, eleanor, alexander, joe, and kim. aren't they beautiful? everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

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