a huge sex scandal surrounding louisville become, rim pitino, accused of having sex with a woman in a restaurant. she got pregnant, he gave her money, she got an abortion. she says she was raped. and the coach says she tried to blackmail him for $10 million. plus, a teen sets fire to himself, and his mom is blaming youtube. turns out the 13-year-old was trying to copy a stunt that he saw online, his leg, hand covered with second and third-degree burns. it's awful. there's ton of gor badge on the

internet. it's up to the parents to monitor our kids. call 1-877-tell-hln. you can e-mail us, cnn.com/primenews. text us at hlntv, the number's 45688. start your message with the word prime. it's your chance to be heard. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com quite a story to start things out here. one of the biggest names in basketball involved in a salacious sex scandal. louisville basketball coach, here's what we know. august 2003, coach pitino at a restaurant, boozing it up a little bit. approached by a woman. they end up having sex at a table near the bar. a couple of weeks later she informs the coach she's pregnant. he ends up giving her money. she gets an abortion. now, this comes to light six years later because police say she was trying to extort $10 million from him? on top of all that, she claims she was raped. we're going to hit this on a

couple fronts. we'll get the details of this sordid affair, the alleged extortion, and beyond that, what should happen to the coach? he's the face of a university. leader of young men. i think he should be fired. what do you think? 1-877-tell-hln is the number. let's bring in our experts. joining us again, stephen a. smith, former espn anchor, analyst, and colleague of mine at cnn sports illustrated. ivan gold an attorney. and kentd taylor with prime news affiliate wave. kent, let's start with you. you're on the ground there. let's go back six years. what do we know about that night, beyond what i've said? >> i'm right here outside the u of l basketball facility here in louisville. i believe the coach pitino is inside. we know back in 2003, at a restaurant, a restaurant owned by tim curry, a friend of rick pitino, he's known to frequent the restaurant. it's about a mile and a half from his house. according to the police report, rick pitino got the keys from

tim curry, when he left, no one else was in the restaurant, so the restaurant was not open at this time. then he and karen cipher engaged in sexual -- in a sexual act there. vinnie tatum, another coach was also there at the time in the restaurant. he said he did not hear anything that appeared to him to be a rape. she claimed -- she didn't claim it was rape until six years later. after that, she says that he then got in the car and she gave him a ride home. this is after she said he randy her. she claims there was another sexual encounter between the two of them at a later date. he says that that was the only time that there was any ebb counter between the two of them. she later claimed to be pregnant, in the police report he says that he gave her $3,000 for an abortion. now, important to note, once again, that she did not charge him with rape and even go to the police after -- until after she was charged with extortion, a federal charge in june. then she went to the metro police in louisville and charged

him with rape. they investigated this. back to the interviews that this police report contains due to this investigation, and they did not charge him with rape or anything after that. >> okay. so we don't get the rape charges until -- what, last month? within the last couple of months? >> exactly. >> the witness who was there, an assistant coach for pitino saying he didn't hear any screams? basically sound like two people engaging in sex. >> that's what he says. >> let's clear up a couple other things. at this meeting, again, there's so many details to this. two weeks later, when they meet to decide what to do about her pregnancy, this is at tim sypher's house, who ends up marrying this girl, right? >> she says that she claims that coach pitino raped her again there. and that tim sypher was upstairs. again, we only have her claims to go on. she has not proven so far to be -- i mean, she seems -- you

know, none of the things she has claimed to this point have really been substantiated. the only thing we do know is there was an encounter between them and coach pa tinno said he gave her $3,000 for an abortion. >> what was the extortion -- i mean, okay. so we have sex, pregnancy, abortion. and then now we fast forward six years later and extortion plot. what was their contact in the six years? >> i'm not sure. well, she was married to his equipment manager, so there had to be some contact. at some point this year she came to him and asked him for $10 million with her notice us tranged husband handing over the note to coach pitino on the final day of the season. louisville playing at west virginia with the title on the line. all this we have known, though. really, the only new things to come out of this current police investigation in this report is the fact that pitino did admit to, i guess he admitted to an

encounter with her, we assume that's a sexual encounter, and he gave her $3,000 for an abortion. >> okay. so that's that. she claims, though, that -- i have a quote from her, i want you to explain this, kent. why are you not bringing up a rape issue until now, and she says something to the effect that they kept throwing me crumbs to keep me happy. what does she mean by that? >> that maybe the $3,000 as part of that, maybe she's saying she was given money during the course of -- i don't know. maybe she was given money during the course of the last few years. maybe that money dried up. or she asked for too much at that point and that's when the fbi got involved. she was charged with extortion. she will be in court maybe in the next two weeks or so. >> okay. kent, we might as well stay with you. we'll get calls in, and get steve and ivan in on this. what is the school saying about this? are they standing by the coach? >> they're saying -- the

president is standing by coach pitino. his comments indicated he may have been a little bit surprised by the abortion, that claim, when that came out. he says he's going to go ahead and let his athletic director, the vice president of athletics, he'll talk to him. he said from point one that pitino has been upfront with him. >> people in louisville are just getting wind that he had sex with the woman in the restaurant. we didn't know until april that it was that type of encounter, right? >> maybe not. but i think that that kind of stuff has been swirling around here. it hasn't been substantiated until this point. but it has been swirling around. to the point it's not that big of a shocker or surprise here in louisville, maybe not as much as it is nationally. >> it is nationally. rick pitino, one of the biggest names in basketball, really in sports. we're going to shift the gears a little bit. what does the school do? what does it say if you do nothing? rick pitino is supposed to be a

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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing our conversation about the sex scandal involving louisville basketball coach rick pitino. we've got all the details out there. now we want to know what you think. what should happen to the coach. should he keep his job? should he be suspended? we're taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. you read over some highlights of his contract, and it seems to me that there are grounds that they could fire him. i want to go over a few of the things that might apply here. number one, acts of dishonesty

or moral debravity. disparaging media publicity of a material nature that damages the good name and reputation of the employer or university. they could objectively be anticipated to bring public disrepute or scandal. ivan, looks like strikes one, two, and three, if they want to, they could fire him, couldn't they, ivan? >> they could if they wanted to. but pitino is one of the best. he is a victim much sorts also. he's an extortion victim. look, i've represented a lot of former and current players. i work for a professional club. the temptation for the players to have affairs, for coaches to have affairs, a lot of times the coaches or former players, it is so great. this is a very common story. in this case, it came back to haunt rick pitino. will they fire him? he has six years to go on his contract. i doubt it. she is in trouble. she is trying to say she was raped as part of her defense to show she was a victim. i think they're going to stand

by rick pitino. his history is too great. >> they won 31 games last year, titles. you look at this, how is he going to go into the living room of an 18-year-old kid and tell a mom and dad, i'm going to teach your kid and character? >> that's the challenge -- that's the biggest challenge he faces because it all comes down to recruiting. if you have to go into the living room of some kid with his parents, how are you going to explain such a thing. how are you going to ask them to have faith in you in terms of bringing your kid to louisville university. that is the problem that rick pitino faces. if there are no truths -- there's no truth what stoeffer to these rape allegations, i would tell you that's the only problem he faces. slojs he's winning basketball games, all americans are coming to the university of louisville, and there's no truth whatsoever to the allegations of rape, he has absolutely nothing to worry about, other than the court of public opinion. and that will die down once he

wins basketball games. >> this was six years ago. six years ago. he is not being prosecuted for rape. that's just an allegation as part of her defense. when he walks into the living room of a young man, believe me, he's walking into one of the very finest high schools of the nature. they would be honored to go to louisville. >> let me jump in, stephen. i'll let you follow up. i agree he's one of the best, ivan. >> i'm talking about his ability to recruit. >> if i'm a dad and he's coming to recruit my son and this is the fresh topic that's on the table, i might slam the door in his face. you're going to teach my kid character, huh, coach, and you're having sex with a woman in a restaurant and you're a married father of five? being a basketball coach, you're not only building basketball players, you're building men, too. >> that's the whole point. it depends on the quality of the home that he walks into. you could walk into a lot of parents' homes and those parents are just as much as rabid fans as their kid. they're looking at rick pitino and the men who used to coach

the boston celtics, that took kentucky to a national championship, louisville to a final four, and this man is going to help my son get to the pros. if they feel otherwise, and they have a real big problem with him, mike, the way you seem to have a problem with what he's done, then it's going to be a problem with him for recruiting -- >> let me get to the call here. melissa in arkansas, your thoughts here? >> caller: i don't believe a word coming out of her mouth, that she's in a bad situation and she's trying to blame everybody else and not take responsibility. and i understand that, you know, this is wrong. but i think he should be given a chance. there's been other coaches and stuff that's been given chances. why not give him another chance. >> melissa, thanks for the call. real quick, stephen, let me ask you, what does rick pitino do here? i think he should be fired. i don't think he's going to be

fired. >> he shouldn't be fired u to be quite honest. that's your opinion. my opinion is he should keep his job. he should come out with a press conference. he should be very, very open with the public at large about what transpired. he should make sure like a lot of politicians do, i might add, that when he speaks on this issue, it might help him to have his wife by his side, to be con trite, express contrition, and something like this was an ab bor ration and move forward. that's all he has to do outside of winning basketball games. >> he has to vow as a teaching tool, don't follow my lead. yes, there are temptations, as ivan said. can i biggyback what ivan said about the temptation? >> we've got to run. are we going to continue? we're done. good one, guys. more on this at 6:00. we'll have everybody back at 6:00. we want to hear from you. here's another topic for you. a boy sets himself on fire. he's imitating a stunt he saw on the internet. mom is now blaming youtube.

should the website be held accountable? take your calls on that one, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back. a 13-year-old boy sets himself on fire, and his mom says youtube is partially to blame. check out this video. it's not the kid. this other guy trying to light himself on fire is the one who inspired the whole stunt. that's where he got the idea. or a couple of kids got the idea, coming to find out. this clip, one of thousands like it on youtube. there's plenty of ideas for a young teen to get their eyes and ears around. you know, i feel for the mom here. her son russell in the hospital, second and third-degree burns, leg and arm. we know, his parents, there's a ton of garbage on the internet. we have to monitor our kids. we're going to find out what kind of monitoring is going on. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. jack thompson, former attorney and expert in copycat cases like

these. also with us, clinical psychologist, dr. jeff gardere. and mom's with us, linda mcray, russell's mother. all right, linda. let's start there. because a lot of people hear this and go, okay, what was mom doing. did you monitor his internet use? how are things going on that front, linda? >> actually, his internet use is always monitored. i have my computer locked with pass words that i change every single month. on top of that, i have a slide door in my room that does not lock, so on the outside of my room that i leave, i padlock it with a combination lock. >> wow. >> russell did not view this at our house. >> where did he see it? >> he had went over to a friend's house. i guess those parents, you know, are okay with their kids watching these things. he had seen it a couple days prior to the incident that happened. >> okay. so he sees it. did he do this by himself? was he in cahoots with another

kid? the kid that he was watching this online with, did they work together to pull off this stunt that went bad? >> actually, no. he had watched it online with another child. at the other child's house. a couple days later he was visiting another friend. i am well aware of the parents and all that. the other house he wasn't supposed to be at. but the house he was visiting two days later, he was visiting another kid that lived on the block, came over to that house to visit, and was asking the kids if they had seen that video. and of course, he's like, yeah, we've seen it a couple days ago. the other kid was like, well, why don't we try it. russell's like, i'm not trying that. he goes, well, look, it's easy. and he took a regular bic type lighter and started to put the fluid of the lighter by holding the button on his pants and lighting it on fire and pushing it out. and he said, look, you won't get hurt. russell said, you're not doing that to me.

he's just 13, so i'm keeping him away from things he's not allowed to view or see. the child who put the gasoline on him, he went and got a hose, all in 15 minutes, the mom had come out, seen the one boy playing with the lighter, took it away from him, went back in the house with it. the little boy, well, he's a few years older than my son, 15, 16. turned around and was like, oh, well, i got a way to get it. he went and got a hose, cut it off, stuck it inside of a riding either. draw. >> we need to take a quick break. we'll bring our experts in on this one, talk about what kind of recourse. ask linda why she's blaming youtube. we'll take your calls. 8

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing our conversation about the 13-year-old who set himself on fire. he and some friends got the idea from youtube. mom partially blaming youtube. what are your thoughts on that. we tried to contact youtube. so far we're waiting for them to get back to us with a statement. let's go to the phones. theresa is with us from ontario. your thoughts here? >> caller: hey, mike. my thoughts were that, i have a 13-year-old niece, and i know there's no way she would, or any of her friends would think of setting themselves on fire. isn't it a responsibility -- are we not responsible to -- for our own actions? was something going on with the boy? were there any problems? you just don't set yourself on fire. >> well, let's get jeff gardere

in on that. jeff, i'll say this. if there's an age where common sense is lacking, it's 13, isn't it? >> oh, absolutely. studies show, mike, that kids at that age have an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex that means their judgment is very poor. that's one of the things that's going on. the other thing is that the internet is something that is -- has a lot of influence on teenagers, especially 13-year-olds. what they see there is gospel to them. but we also have to look at the other situation of very strong peer pressure, and getting involved with the wrong kids. as much as mom here tried to limit what her son did, the fact is, you can't be there all the time as a parent. and that's why you have to inoculate your kids with knowledge so that they can figure out situations for themselves. >> linda, what about that? you know your son was going to be online at other places besides home, right? think that he

internet. home. >> all right. but he got on anyway, right? >> yeah. >> had you told him, hey, what you see online is garbage, or can be? there's good online, let me say that. but there's some stuff out there, as we're seeing, not good. >> exactly. i tried to tell my son everything that you can. but at 13, you also try not to fill their heads with garbage that they're going to try just because mom told them not to. >> that's a good point. let me bring jeff in on that one. jeff, that is a catch-22, put a disclaimer on the website, they'll want to look at it all the mor. >> because it becomes the forbidden fruit. the mom is exactly correct here and my heart goes out to her. as much as we try to parent our kids, we have to know parenting is a work in progress. we try to take situations 'this am could along. as i said before, we want to inoculate our kids with knowledge so they can figure out these situations. but we can't always be there, and styles they do stupid

things. and get with the wrong kids. >> can i get in here? >> go ahead, jack. >> the supreme court in 2005 struck down the juvenile death penalty for the very neuro-biological reason your guest just mentioned. kids do things that are emotion driven that emanate from where these copycat behaviors come from. youtube ought to know that. parents know it intuitively. i have a 16-year-old. he does all sorts of things that i don't want him to do, and it's because he's a kid. so youtube, you need to clean up your act. you need to monitor your own site and you need to adhere to your own guidelines. >> jack, i'm with you on that. we have to work together on some of these sites that the kids are going on because of the very reasons we're talking about. be responsible for the kids that see it and who knows what they're going to do with it. linda, i've got to ask you, how is your son doing? we didn't really hit on that. second and third-degree burns. is he recovering all right? >> actually, no, it gets worse before it gets better. your first-degree burns turn

into second, the second turns into third. the skin deteriorates. they're still waiting to see if he's going to be able to be fixed at arnold palmer. if not, he's going to have to be send to cincinnati at the burn unit up there at shriner's. every morning if it's not bad enough that he caught fire and he has to dream about that every night. as it is, every morning at 9:00, he has to go into a hot whirlpool that has chlorine type water in it to try to clean the wounds. so you've got another 10 to 20 minutes of excruciating screams, with a leg with no skin on it. >> linda, thank you for telling your story so other parents out there, as we've all stated, can be more diligent in monitoring what our kids are watching online. jeff, jack, thank you as well. >> my pleasure. we're going to talk about michael jackson. how about the king of pop getting a graceland-like facility, so fans can come and

pay tribute. a shrine for michael jackson in las vegas? we'll get to the bottom of that.

welcome back. all right. should there be a shrine to honor michael jackson? the king of pop's dad, joe jackson, coming out saying he would like his son memorialized in las vegas with some kind of place like neverland.

just like elvis fans go to graceland. the family denying reports that michael jackson has been buried in secret. when will he be able to be put to rest? rest in peace? we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining me to talk about it, welcome back alicia jacobs from kbvc in less vegas. russell, legal analyst, attorney, pop squire.com. alicia, let's talk about whether or not he's buried. you talked to latoya jackson who said he's not, and that contradicts "entertainment tonight" who told us he was. >> latoya tells me he is not buried yet, but will be buried sometime very soon at forest lawn. she also told me she's gone to see him three times since he passed away because of threats to her brother's body. she says she will go see him at least one more time before he is buried. >> where is he? >> he's at forest lawn. undisclosed location.

>> russell, what are your sources telling you about that? >> it's interesting, because on monday we talked on the show about him being buried a the forest lawn and now we're hearing he's not. joe jackson is saying he has not been buried. so joe and latoya, you know, someone said there are better sources connected to the jackson family. but at the end of the day it's the mom. katherine jackson is the one with control and she's the one making decisions by all accounts. but she's remaining silent. >> that's a good point there. quite a revelation. you mentioned joe jackson. we've talked about him. he wants a shrine, a graceland-like facility for michael jackson in las vegas. alicia, what do you know about that? is that going to be reality? >> i am told it's about a 95% chance of this happening. but it wouldn't be a graceland type thing. they just built a neverland here, who cares. there would be no significance. what they are talking about doing is literally picking up neverland and bringing it to las

vegas. they would then duplicate exactly every piece of furniture and make it as exactly when michael lived there. they would attach a memorial type museum to it. can you imagine, the whole world would come here to pay tribute to the king of pop. >> let's face it, he loved children. amusement rides and the whole bit as well? >> i've not heard that, no. >> let's let jermaine -- he was on "larry king live" on our sister network, cnn, and he said he would eventually like to see michael laid to rest in, i believe neverland. >> see, i'm most security, him being secure in a peaceful setting. >> larry: like having a presley initially, they had to move presley's body to graceland. >> i'm most concerned about that. but at the end of the day, she'll make the final decision. >> she, he's talking about katherine jackson. russell, could michael jackson end up at neverland? >> well, jermaine jackson's

talking about neverland in santa barbara county. i think that is unlikely. they don't want to build a big spectacle. >> you're agreeing that we could never have a neverland replica in las vegas. >> what better place to do that than las vegas. they know how to do replica. >> that's a good point there. what's the feeling in las vegas, alicia? as this is talked about and you're saying 95% sure. is everybody onboard? >> i'm hearing the 95% certainty from the jackson source. i think this is something las vegas would absolutely embrace. i certainly think we could rise to the occasion. >> let's hit another topic, guys. all-star tribute to michael jackson in vienna. russell, what do we know about that? who's going to perform? when's it going to take place? >> both jermaine jackson and concert promoters are putting together a tribute. like they should, which would honor michael jackson's music.

so far, no artists have confirmed involvement. but reports say that madonna, youtube, lionel richie and others are set to perform. we can come up with a dream list. but this is set to take place in vienna in september sometime. tickets are going to go on sale august 20th, able. >> i'm told that they actually are trying to get aeg onboard. if they can do that, i think the event could really happen and be amazing. they're promising an audience of 1 billion people, which is pretty lofty. if aeg's on board, it could happen. if they don't get aeg on board, i think this could be a very, very ambitious project. >> there's a problem here that it's supposed to take place in september. if no one has been signed up, big stars have big, busy schedules. >> six weeks out maybe. good point. guys, we've covered a lot. thanks again. great to have you aboard. we'll talk soon. this is almost a riddle.

a man with no children, jailed for not paying child support. that's the way this one went down. the guy locked up for more than a year. we're going to talk to him about how all this went down. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back. stick with me on this one. imagine going to jail for not paying child support for a kid that's not your own? that's what happened to frank hatley, twice. hatley was in a relationship with a woman, 1986, she got pregnant, gave birth to a son. told hatley it was his child. for 13 years the relationship didn't work out, by the way. for 13 years he made payments to the state of georgia. come to find out court documents saying 2000 dna tests showing there was no way he was the

father. he still had to pay more than $16,000 that he owed to the state before the ruling. i guess when he still thought he still had a son. 2006, he failed to pay, so he was jailed for six months. they let him out of jail. then last year he couldn't pay. he got 13 more months behind bars. well, he's out now and joins us. frank hatley is with us by phone. and jennifer can help clear up some things on a legal front. all right, frank. couldn't imagine what you've been through here. over all these years, how do you -- before we get into more particulars, how do you make sense of this, frank? >> well, you know, i just -- when i first found out that it wasn't my child, you know, i went to court, you know. and i had a lawyer. and she was a legal aid lawyer, but i don't guess she -- she

didn't go in there and she didn't try to get it all wiped out. she just got it where i would just have to still pay the payments. the arears. >> the way i understand it, frank, is who you thought was your son overheard his mom talking to friends, and he heard that way? that basically he wasn't your son and he told you this? is that the way it went down? >> yeah, he told me that he knew he wasn't my child. >> how heartbreaking must that have been for him. had you been a part of his life? had you been a regular part of his life up until about 2000? >> no, i never had any visitation rights or anything like that. >> but you made payments? >> right. >> so when you find out you're not his father, you go to court and say i don't want to pay any more. i'm sure you're saying, it's not my son. i'm done. i'm not paying any more money. if anything, you want money back, right? >> right. >> let's bring in our lawyer,

jennifer. how does it go down that he not only doesn't get -- he has to keep paying. let's start there. >> this is a case that is so messed up. unfortunately it sounds like mr. hatley did not have the most, let's just say zell os advocate he could have had. when the child support payments first began, generally speaking, through the state, the fathers have a chance to say whether or not there is an acknowledgement of paternity. dads can either voluntarily acknowledge paternity right away or the fathers can ask for a dna test. what happened here may be, and i don't know, mr. hatley, you can correct me, but you may not have asked for the paternity test right away. and acquiesced to the state request to pay child support, and thereby you're almost waiving the right and acknowledging paternity of the child.

then the child support payments begin. now, once you did have the dna test, there's some judicial discretion. not only with the judge, but with the state's attorney and with mom to say, all right, a judgment's been entered. but as a mom, i don't want to enforce it from this man, not in good conscience. or the state's attorney can step in or the judge could step in. none of that happened here. i wonder if mr. hatley had the most zealous advocate. >> frark, you still with us? >> yeah. >> you can't be happy with the lawyering you've received, right, to jennifer's point? >> with the what now? >> your attorneys haven't done right by you, right? it sure doesn't sound like it. >> what you mean by that? >> they didn't do a good job for you. >> early on. >> yeah, early on. go ahead, frank. >> well, see, when the woman, when she first said that was my child, i didn't -- when you're going with a woman, i didn't

say, that ain't my child. and i never had the money to go and get a paid lawyer. so i was recommended to legal aid. so i was recommended to legal aid, and this lawyer, she didn't -- she didn't say but one word for me when we did go to court, and that's you can't make this man -- they wanted me to keep paying child support. >> see, mike, this is -- >> that's your point, jennifer, just to clear everything up. so he thought he was the father. >> exactly. and what it sounds like he did is he voluntarily acknowledged paternity. and once dads do that, they are basically waiving their rights to any sort of a dna test. so what he did there is he said i'll start paying, and once you start paying you -- a judgment can be issued. and he's in a tough -- he was in a tough situation. >> you mentioned mom. was trying to do right by a child he thought was his.

she should have to help pay back that money." jennifer, is there anything that can be done to mom who basically, it sounds like, deceived this guy into paying for how many years? >> for quite some time. yes. here's where mom comes into play. mom can direct the state's attorney and say i don't want to collect on this judgment. and it doesn't sound like mom did this here. it sounds like the state's attorney said, okay, we have a debt, we have a judgment, we're going to go ahead, issue a body attachment, which is a warrant for his arrest, then put him in jail. this is where i question mom, because she could have sfepd up and said judge, i don't want this man going to jail, i'll take care of repaying public aid, or whatever needs to happen. the mom does hold the cards. the state is supposed to ensure justice happens. >> more "prime news" coming up. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.

a huge sex scandal surrounding the face of louisville basketball. rick pitino, married, father of five, accused of having sex with a woman in a restaurant. she got pregnant. he gave her money. she got an abortion. then these explosive charges. she claims she was raped. and the coach says she tried to blackmail him for $10 million. plus this -- a teen sets himself on fire, and mom's blaming youtube. turns out her 13-year-old son was trying to copy a stunt that he saw online. his leg, hand covered with second-degree burns. it's awful. let's face it, though, there's tons of garbage on the internet and it's up to us as parents to monitor what our kids are watching. love to take your calls. here's the number.

1-877-tell-hln. you can also e-mail us, cnn.com/primenews or text us at hlntv. just start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. >> controversy, opinion, your point of view. this is "prime news." welcome. this is hour number two of "prime news." i'm mike galanos. all right. one of the biggest names in basketball is involved in a salacious sex scandal. louisville basketball coach rick pitino, that's who we're talking about here. and if you don't know, believe me, he's one of the biggest names not only in basketball but all of sports. here's what we know about this. august 2003 coach pitino's at a restaurant boozing it up a little bit, approached by a woman. they end up having sex at a table near the bar. this is what pitino told police, by the way. a couple weeks later she informs the coach she's pregnant. he gives her money. she ends up getting an abortion. now, this all comes to light six years later because police say she was trying to extort $10 million from him. on top of all that she claims

she was raped. we'll hit this on a couple of fronts, get all the details out there of this affair/alleged extortion and beyond that what should happen to the coach 37 he's the face of a university, leader of young men. i think he's got to go. what do you think? 1-877-tell-hln's the number. let's bring our experts in on this. back with us, stephen a. smith, journalist, former espn analyst, achkor, also a colleague of mine at cnn "sports illustrated." ivan gold's back with us. he's an attorney. and joining us by phone, laughlin mcclean, radio sports talk host 84 whas a.m. all right, laughlin you're on the ground floor in louisville. what did i miss in there? what did we miss in that encounter back in 2003? >> well, mike, there are so many layers it would take a half hour just to explain it all. but his assistant was in the restaurant when they were doing the deed. the basic -- what people don't know nationally is this story has been out here locally for months. this woman has been trying tome barros rick pitino, to get more

money out of him. for months she took her story to all the local media. nobody would report it because she had no credibility. she finally went to the police after she gets, you know, busted for extortion. nobody believes her, basically. that being said, rick's got -- he may have thrown away his career over the wrong one-night stand. the spin today is the money he gave her was not for an abortion, it was for medical insurance because that's the issue that's really resonating in this community. it's a very catholic community. thk get over infidelity, politicians, but the abortion issue is a real sticking point. there's a morals clause in rick's contract. he's going to make a statement, by the way, at the bottom of the hour just going to read a written statement, not take questions, but we'll get a little bit more of where he's coming from. but this story is not going to go away. it's the kind of story that gets bigger as opposed to smaller. >> because that's one thing when we hear this, lachlan, did he

coerce her into having the abortion? any reports -- what are the reports saying about that, or did they have the conversation -- i believe the way he tells the story, rick pitino tells the story, they had a conversation at tim skyler's house, who ended up marrying the lady, right? >> oh, yeah. it's more bizarre -- "melrose place" should be the theme music for louisville basketball this year because it just goes absolutely crazy. but they're meeting at his equipment managing's house. she says he forced himself on her again while this guy tim is upstairs hearing her scream. and so her response to that is to marry the guy, tim sypher. totally bizarre. but according to -- they're both pretty consistent. she says she needed money for an abortion and she had no health insurance so he gave her $3,000. now, he's saying he gave her the money so she could buy health insurance. she's saying it was for the abortion. that turns into one of those he said/she said type of deals. >> right. as you mentioned, so many layers to this. all right. let's go to ivan gold, an attorney on this one. all right.

lachlan's telling us he's going to speak at the bottom of the hour. ivan, what do you want to hear from the coach? what do you think he needs to tell the fans, the people of louisville? >> the good news for rick pitino is this -- there is an ongoing criminal case. that means that he cannot really comment. i know what he's going to say. he's going to say there's an ongoing criminal case, i cannot talk about the facts of this case, that i'm going to completely cooperate, and that i basically did nothing wrong except for the facts that are out there. he won't take any questions, and that will be it. the ball is now in the hands of the authorities. the university of louisville. their athletic director. they can talk to rick pitino. let me tell you this right now. the only concern any parent of any recruit would have when rick pitino knocks on the door is whether or not rick pitino will be there for the duration of his contract. rick pitino is a victim. did he use bad judgment? yes. as someone who's worked for professional teams, represented ball players, look, this stuff happens all the time. players sleep with other players' wives. it goes on and on. it's crazy.

that's the world of professional sports. it happens. money talks. pitino will be there. unfortunately, this damages him. >> okay. well, you'll say this. i think there are going to be those parents out there who are going to say rick pitino, you're going to be a father figure to my son for the next four or five years and there are morals clauses in his contract. and just the thought of him, a married father of five, having sex with a woman at a restaurant, getting her pregnant and the scandal that followed -- >> do you remember bobby knight, though? >> i do remember bobby knight. >> he had more reputation problems than anyone. he had no trouble recruiting. people were knocking on his door -- >> that's not true. >> stephen -- >> young players going to the university of -- >> that's not true. >> okay. let's get stephen a. in. >> i'm saying the part about -- >> there's going to be some people, some parents are going to take issue with rick pitino now. come on, that's a bad visual that he's going to come walk into my living room and he's going to be teaching my kid, my son character and integrity after this? >> well, again, they might have some problems, but for different reasons than you do, mike. they might have a problem,

again, because they'll question whether or not there's any truth to the rape allegations, which you nor i nor most people probably don't believe. you might have other parents who might be right-wing zealots that are adamantly, emphatically against abortion. so when you hear that kind of stuff thrown out, you can't say definitively that nobody's going to have a problem with rick pitino, ivan, because that's simply not true. somebody may have a problem with it but then again this is the game of basketball and that's where it gets tricky. remember, all you need is one or two all-americans on your squad to elevate your program. and that's the thing about the sport of basketball that's different from football or various other sports. so i look at it from that standpoint, and i also say to myself i can pitino's big-time. he's won wherever he's gone on the collegiate level. and if he walks into somebody's home that's what he brings along with him. his record of success and ultimately the achievements that he could transition to their child if they elect to come to

his program. >> guys, we've got to hit a break. we'll get back -- we've got to hit a break here. i'll say this, by the way. if you're pro life, that doesn't mean you're a right-wing zealot. let's get that out there. >> i'm just saying -- >> we don't want to offend the pro-life viewers. >> i don't want to offend anybody. >> we've got callers lined up. call in. 1-877-tell-hln. we're getting the details out for you and your thoughts. what should happen to coach pitino? what do you want to hear from him? what can he do now to reassure the fans in louisville, a possible recruit down the road?

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing our conversation concerning louisville basketball coach rick pitino.

one of the best coaches in the game involved in the sex scandal. we're taking your calls. pete's with us in north carolina. pete, go ahead. >> i didn't condone the michael vick situation, but now i see this man. and michael vick went to jail for 23 months and paid his dues, which i admire. but this man cheated on his wife, his five kids. paid to have a life destroyed. whether you believe in abortion or not, he paid to have a life destroyed. and they're talking about slapping his hands? i think what he did is so much more sickening and disgusting than what michael vick did. and the man should be punished. i don't ever want to watch his basketball team or him perform again. >> pete weighing in there, showing some passion. let's bring back ivan gold. when you talk about whether or not there's punishment. and ivan, i want to bring this back. when you look at some clauses in his contract that looks to be violated -- >> i understand. >> let me get them out there and i'll let you comment.

acts of dishonesty, moral depravity, disparaging media publicity of a media nature that damages can the good name of employer or university, and misconduct that could objectively be anticipated to bring public disrepute or scandal. i mean, it seems like all of those fit, ivan. they could if they wanted to go after him and get him out of there, right? >> they could if they wanted to. you know, the professional club i worked for, our coach got in trouble, and we used to have lectures to the players about staying out of trouble, and our coach walked in front of the entire team and said, look, i made a mistake. you don't make the same mistake. no one is perfect. ric pitino could actually use it as a learning tool to some degree. this will eventually quiet down. remember, the woman tried to extort him, and rick pitino came forward. he's a vim of sorts. did he use bad judgment? yes. former presidents used bad judgment. we don't have to get into that. this is a basketball coach. he's a fine basketball coach, and parents want their kids to go to a good program with a good

coach. is he perfect? no. but does he have a good history? absolutely. they will not fire rick pitino. >> well, i don't think they will, either, to be honest with you. i'll just say this. come on, you still want in a college setting -- maybe not the pros. in the college setting that coach, especially to an 18, 19-year-old kid is still a role model, and to some could even be a father figure. i don't want to just brush it off. the rape allegations, we're -- >> we're not brushing it off. >> no, and there's not going to be any rape charges. let's make that clear. i want to bring lachlan mclean back. her soon to be ex-husband tim sypher he's the one that brought the latest extortion attempt to the coach, is that correct? he's not being charged, but we get details of what, they wanted cars and money for her kids to go to college? is that right? >> it's a very bizarre relationship. the way we understand it she started asking for a little bit of money, $3,000 here and there, cars, money for college, and the demands just started getting bigger and bigger, culminating in a $10 million demand.

but tim sypher was the go-between. his loyalty is with his head coach, rick pitino, ever since this stuff has come out he has sided very clearly with pitino. he and the woman are getting divorced. and so you know, she really has very few people who are kind of on her side. it's because her story falls apart. >> go ahead, stephen. >> mike, i think that one of the things that just must be said, we've got to keep our eyes on this situation in its totality. you've got to keep a sharp eye on this because, again, as the reporter alluded to, this is a guy that worked with rick pitino in boston, this is a guy whose loyalties lied with rick pitino -- >> you're talking about tim sypher. >> we're saying it as if this just happened in terms of his loyalty with pitino on this particular issue. we have to remember that this is something that occurred six years ago. it occurred prior to this individual marrying the woman who alleges that rick pitino raped her and all of this other stuff. you've got to wonder how far back does this loyalty go and to

what extent in terms of what rick pitino's role was with this woman, what this individual's role was with pitino prior to him marrying her and how much that played a part in him ultimately marrying her. i mean, all of this stuff, i've seen a lot of stuff go on in the sports world. i'm just wondering right now -- i'm not going to make any predictions or anything like that. but i'm saying this is worth watching because to me where there's smoke there's fire. something is very, very fishy here in regards to those three individuals we're talking about. >> there is a woman in trouble -- >> oh, lost ivan in the shuffle there. how much time do we have left? i guess we'll wrap it up here. we've got about 30 seconds. >> mike, plett just say i think this is a good referendum going forward on whether parents impact recruiting or not. because i don't think the kids will care. i think the moms and dads will care -- >> like me. >> -- and we'll have to see who makes the decision when kids make their college choices. >> i hope he does use this as a learning tool if he keeps the job. don't do what i do, let's all learn from this.

steve and ivan, lachlan, we appreciate it.

welcome back. a 13-year-old boy sets himself on fire, and his mom says youtube is partially to blame. all right. check out this video. it's not the kid. this other guy trying to light himself on fire is the one who inspired the whole stunt. that's where he got the idea. or a couple of kids got the idea, we're coming to find out. this clip one of thousands like it on youtube. so there's plenty of ideas for a young teen to get their eyes and ears around. i feel for the mom here. her son russell's in the hospital. second and third degree burns, leg and arm. but we know as parents there's a ton of garbage on the internet. we have to monitor our kids. and we're going to find out what kind of monitoring was going on. we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln's the number. joining us jack thompson, former attorney, and an expert in copycat cases like these. also with us, our clinical

psychologist dr. jeff gardere. and mom's with us. linda mccray. she's russell's mother. all right, linda. let's start there. you know, because a lot of people hear this and go, okay, what was mom doing? did you monitor his internet use? how are things going on that front, linda? >> actually, his internet use is always monitored. i have my computer locked with passwords that i change every single month. on top of that i have a slide door in my room that does not lock. so on the outside of my room when i leave i padlock it with a combination lock. >> wow. >> russell did not view this at our house. >> so where did he see it? >> he had went over to a friend's house. i guess those parents, you know, are okay with their kids watching these things. and he had seen it a couple days prior to the incident that happened. >> okay. so he sees it. did he do this by himself? was he in cahoots with another kid? the kid that he was watching this online with, did they work together to pull off this stunt

that went bad? >> actually, no. he had watched it online with another child at the other child's house. >> okay. >> a couple days later he was visiting another friend. >> okay. >> i am well aware of the parents and all that. the other house he wasn't supposed to be at. but the child he was visiting two days later, he was visiting and another kid that lived on the block came over to that house to visit and was asking the kids if they had seen that video. and of course he's like, yeah, we've seen it a couple days ago. and the other kid was like, well, why don't we try it? russell's like, i'm not trying that. he goes, well, look, it's easy. and he took a regular bic type lighter and started to put the fluid of the lighter just by holding the button down on his pants and lighting it on fire and pushing it out. he's like, look, you don't get hurt. russell's like you're not doing that to me. russell just recently 13. so i keep him away from things that he's not allowed to view or see. well, the child that poured the

gasoline on him then turns -- you know, was not out of a gas can. he went and got a hose. this is all in 15 minutes. the mom had come out seeing the one boy playing with the lighter, took it away from him, went back in the house with it. the little boy -- well, he's a few years younger -- or older than my son. he's 15, 16. turned around and was like, oh, well, i've got a way to get it. he went and got a hose, cut it which my son has >> okay. oh, well, he's lundia, we're going to take a quick break. we're getting the idea here. we'll bring our experts in on this one. talking about what kind of recourse. we'll ask linda herself why she blames youtube and what we can do about all this.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. we expect any moment for louisville basketball coach rick pitino to speak, holding a press conference. not sure whether or not he's going to be answering questions about the sex scandal he's involved in. we talked a lot about it today. this story has really blown up. what we have, the incident took place back in august of 2003. so six years ago. and what we have, rick pitino told police this, that he was at a restaurant boozing it up a little bit, met a woman, they ended up having sex at the restaurant. then she comes back, karen sypher's her name, she comes back and tells him she's

pregnant. rick pitino's saying he gave her $3,000 for health insurance and she had an abortion. here's rick pitino. let's listen in. >> want to make a statement. a prepared statement. i'm not good with those things. but i do want to say that the past seven months have been very difficult on the people i love. and i made a decision seven months ago because of something i preach to my players for the 30-some-odd years i've been coaching. they've heard it once a week for 30-some-odd years. and it goes like this. i said when you have a problem if you tell the truth your problem becomes part of your past. if you lie, it becomes part of your future. and i made a very difficult decision to tell the truth to the federal authorities, the local authorities, to university officials, and most important the people that love me the most, my family and friends. with that in mind, i made a very strong case that i would not --

a grand jury indictment is a very serious thing. and i have not commented on that for that reason. i have not said anything to any of you about any of it. but i am here today because i've personally apologized to my family every single day. they are the -- for all of us, our families, our wives and our children, and mine in particular, as yours in particular are, they make the sun rise for me every morning. they are highly principled people, very strong morally, and very strong fundamentally. and i let them down with my indiscretion six years ago. and i'm sorry for that. and i told them that every single day. but i want to tell more than that. i want to tell my extended family, which is all my players, recruits who believe in me, families that believe in me, that i'm sorry for that

indiscretion six years ago, and that u.s. professionals who have covered me for now 16 years, i want to apologize to you for that indiscretion six years ago. there's two things besides my apology to the university, most in particular tom jurich and dr. ramsey who have been very strong with me throughout this period, but my extended family, which is all the fans. you know, you came here at a very difficult time. when 9/11 hit, you needed a community to get you over it. in new york city it was easy because everybody knew the devastation of that and they got each other over it. in louisville it wasn't -- the impact wasn't obviously felt like new york city. but i needed this community to

help me get over it. and the university officials, my friends and loved ones have helped me through this very difficult time. i will continue to cooperate with the authorities, as i have from day one. i believe in a judicial system, and i won't comment any more on that. i hope that the trial comes quickly and we can do what all of you should have been doing at this period of time, is celebrating a big east championship, a wonderful season where we once again finished in the elite eight with very dedicated players who paid the price to reach that pinnacle. the second thing i'm going to do, beside be quiet about the indictment, is i plan on accomplishing one thing. and it's very, very important to me. i plan on, regardless of how difficult a situation this is, to coach here at the university of louisville, for as long as i can physically maintain the passion i have for the game of basketball, which is still stronger than when i was a head

coach at 24 years of age. i love the game, love my players, love this university as well as my community. i don't want to coach anywhere else. i don't believe in anything as much as i believe in this university and this state. so as long as they'll have me, for as long as they'll have me, i'm going to coach here. i'm not a spring chicken, but i'm certainly not over the hill, and i intend on recruiting the best athletes, the best people to this program, and try to go a little bit further than the past elite eights in the many years to come. so i thank you as professionals. i know there's much more pleasant things we'd like to talk about. but i do want to apologize once again to my loving family, my wife, and university officials, as well as the extended family, all my players and the great fans that we have here at the university of louisville. so thank you all very much. >> all right. there you've been listening to the head coach, university of

louisville basketball, rick pitino. did not take any questions. he laid out all of his apologies, to families, players, recruits, families of recruits that had believed in him. so he apologized at the front and back end of that. and he also made the promise he'll continue coaching as long as the university of louisville will have him. we have our experts standing by. stephen a. smith, former journalist, anchor, columnist, former colleague at cnn "sports illustrated." ivan golde. we'll take your calls, your thoughts on this at the number 1-877-tell-hln. stephen, i'll start with you, your thoughts on coach pitino's statement. >> i hope that coaches, even politicians, every public official you can imagine watched what transpired with this press conference. this man did not have a speech. he did not write anything down and was reading it to the audience at large. he spoke from the heart. it came across as very contrite, very sincere. and if you're going to apologize to your family, to your loved ones, to your extended family, which he alluded to as being the

university of louisville, to the wonderful fans out there in louisville, kentucky, and all the fans of the program, that is how you do it. you do it by looking in everybody's eyes and speaking from your heart. that's what you do when you want to come across as genuine and sincere. whether he was telling the truth or not, he knows that. but in terms of how it came across, that's how you want to come across. >> guys, we want to take a break. we'll get ivan golde's statement on it. we want to hear from you as well. the number 1-877-tell-hln. as we continue to follow the sex scandal involving coach rick pitino.

i do want to say that the past seven months have been very difficult on the people i love. and i made a decision seven months ago because of something i preach to my players for the 30-some-odd years i've been coaching. they've heard it once a week for 30-some-odd years. and it goes like this. i said when you have a problem, if you tell the truth, your problem becomes part of your past. if you lie, it becomes part of your future. and i made a very difficult decision to tell the truth to the federal authorities, to local authorities, to university officia officials, and most important the people that love me the most, my family and friends. >> there again, rick pitino holding a press conference just moments ago.

we carried it live for you. apologizing to family, friends, admitted indiscretion six years ago when he told police and admitted basically he had sex with a woman at a restaurant. she ended up getting pregnant. now rick pitino's attorney saying he gave her $3,000 for health insurance. she in turn had an abortion. now, what he's talking about seven months ago, it came to light that she was trying to extort him for millions of dollars. the way it goes down in the criminal complaint, that her then husband, tim sypher, who's associated with rick pitino, such a tangled web here, that his wife included demands for college tuition for her children, two cars, money to pay off her house, three grand per month, that was part of it. so rick pitino, as he was talking about seven months ago, let it out there. and she was charged with extortion. stephen a. smith's with us. so is attorney ivan gold. ivan, your comments on coach pitino's statement just a few moments ago. >> he did okay. he did three main things. he apologized for his indiscretion. he said wanted to coach.

and he admitted the affair. that's basically what he did. and he said, again, if you tell the truth it's part of the past. if you lie it's part of the future. it's something he says to all of his players. again, he's using this as a learning tool. he wants to continue coaching. he wants to do better next year and get to the finals or win the ncaa championship. this is a man who basically said i had to come forward, it was difficult. so he's basically saying, look, this was hard on me, hard on my family, and i made the difficult decision, i did something that i preach to my players. he's saying, look, i had an indiscretion. he admits that. he apologizes. he wants to coach. that's all he could do. he absolutely cannot -- >> i mean, he admitted -- there's no b.s. there. there was no script. he wasn't making excuses. so that's a start. i don't think he's off the hook yet. so stephen, where does this go next? so far the school's behind him. i mean, what do you do if you're the school? and what does it say if they do nothing? >> well, what you do, first of all-f you're the school, you make sure that no further salacious details are going to

come out. you don't want to hear more damning information about your coach who's such a marquee coach. outside of that you just let the dust settle. that's what it comes down to. clearly they want him to remain as coach of louisville. he's been there for months, even in the aftermath of this coming out in terms of what they knew specifically about the situation at hand. so they want this individual, rick pitino, to be the coach, the basketball coach of their program for years and years to come. there's no question about that. got about six years left on his deal. they don't want him to go anywhere because he wins basketball games and if the dust settles and the acrimony, or whatever else you want to call, it doesn't elevate to an uncomfortable level or smug can't recover from, they're going to keep him on board, just like ivan said. >> let's get a call in. ann's with us from kentucky. your thoughts here? >> caller: i'd just like to say that rick pitino is really a great man. he's been great for the team. he was great for the university of kentucky. i feel that what he does in his

personal life as well as anybody else, that was his business. and i think the man has a fair chance. he's done really great for the louisville team, and he needs to stay on. you couldn't ask for a better coach. and that's my opinion. >> okay. i'll just say this. again, he's a great coach. you know, after what we know now, i'm not sure about great man. and he admitted to the indiscretion. but when you're a father of five and you're a coach and you're a role model and you're the face of louisville, he's not some chump coach. rick pitino's one of the best in the game. when you think of the university of louisville, you think of rick pitino. name someone more famous associated with that school currently. i can't think of anybody. >> mike, i have a question, though. >> go ahead, stephen. >> i understand how you feel. but the question is, again -- and i say this repeatedly, and it makes a lot of females uncomfortable. you never know what's going on inside of somebody's bedroom. you never know what's going on inside someone's marriage. so even though we all find it a bit reprehensible and we would

look at it in that fashion, the fact is you don't know a lot of the details. if it was just a one-night discretion like rick pitino is alleging and you know, he had some issues at that particular time or whatever the case may be, who are any of us to judge? >> i'll say this. i'm not the person to judge. but i'm saying this, when you're a coach and you get millions and you're the face of university of louisville, louisville basketball, you're a father figure to some of your players, i expect more. i think you should expect more. >> i do expect more. but i understand the reality is he's a man and at the end of the day he was a man before he was a coach. he was a man before he was making millions of dollars. he's a human being, and he made mistakes. and he should be called to the carpet for it. but i'm not going to run away with it and be ready to condemn him for it. >> will there be consequences? we make mistakes. we make bad choices. there should be consequences -- >> what kind of consequences do you think there should be? especially when you don't know the details of what was going on in the first place. >> well, i know he had sex with

a woman outside of marriage. he's married, what, since '76 to one woman. five kids. she's got -- they're having sex in a restaurant. >> i have a better question for you, mike. if his wife is still with him, evidently she's recovered from it. why are you up in arms about it? >> well, because i want to see -- i want to see a leader of young men be able to preach and teach the kids character, integrity, and live it as well. and obviously, rick pitino didn't here. >> so you want flawlessness. >> well, i want him to practice what he preaches. i think we want all people to do that. and if you can't maybe there should be a consequence. >> i heard rick pitino preaching about the importance of basketball and leading young men, and things of that nature in terms of team effort. >> okay. the producers are telling me you guys have got to stop. >> okay. >> you and i, former colleagues. we'll continue in the break. more "prime news" coming up.

welcome back. a shocking report on the deaths of tv pitch man billy mays. a medical examiner in florida released the autopsy results. in it, this jaw-dropping news. cocaine use contributed to the heart disease that suddenly killed the 50-year-old. now, his family says they never saw signs he was using. now they're considering whether to have an independent review of the autopsy. so that's not all we have here. i want to bring in my colleague jane velez-mitchell, host of "issues with jane velez-mitchell" coming your way top of the hour about 11 minutes away. what do we have here? clarify what's going on here, jane. >> well, what we have is a family that was very upset that the medical examiner came out and said essentially while heart disease caused billy mays' death a contributing factor was cocaine use in the days leading up to his death. he also had several prescription painkillers and anti-anxiety meds in his system, as well as alcohol. so that's what you call a drug

cocktail. now, the very famous pathologist who even studied the kennedy assassination, dr. cyril wecht, heard about this controversy and decided to study the autopsy decided to study the autopsy report and perhaps to the family's chagrin, he decided the medical examiner didn't go far enough, and said uh-uh, it ain't heart disease, this guy died of acute combined drug toxicity which is a fancy way of saying a drug cocktail. so the family, by focusing attention on this, and being upset with the original report just got a report that was even more damaging. >> so was he flat out saying the cocaine caused the death? is that the main cause? is. >> well, combined with valium, vicodin,xan ex, as well as alcohol. quite a combo. and remember, doctor weck has experience talking and looking into overdoses. remember daniel smith, the son

of ana nicole smith? he died of a drug cocktail o.d., and doctor wecht was one of the autopsy people on that case. so he has experience with this, and is one of the most famous forensic pathologists of all time, so if he says it wasn't heart disease, it was a drug cocktail, we have a tendency to believe what he says. >> and now you have a family still getting over the death of a husband and father, but now you have these details, blind siding, right? >> i think i would say as a recovering alcoholic myself, you're only as sick as your secrets. and family members really can't go into a shame-based position if they didn't know, they didn't know. what they should be asking themselves instead of how do we keep this quiet, is why didn't we know, did we miss warning signs. >> jane, we'll be watching "issues."

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