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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking news tonight. a young mother with five little children in a minivan barrel down the wrong way on a packed interstate. slamming into another vehicle. tally? eight dead. one child hanging onto life. tragedy? yes. accident? no. toxicology reports mommy high on booze and pot. bombshell tonight. first, daddy claims drunk mommy had a stroke. an abscessed tooth? pregnancy-related diabetes? p.s., she's not pregnant. and finally a mystery lump in her leg, moving toward her
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brain. why? why don't they just stop? tonight, daddy says, it wasn't the liquor in her stomach. it was the anbesol on her tooth. yes, the new defense to criminal and civil charges -- mommy used anbesol. that's right. the over-the-counter toothache gel. they say made her plow into another car, killing eight. >> breaking news in the case of the tragedy on the taconic, the "new york post" says schuler was taking the drug anbesol for a toothache and that's what caused her blood alcohol level to be twice the legal limit. >> the operator of the 2003 ford -- the autopsy was performed. the operator of the 2003 ford van was responsible for this crash. the toxicology and autopsy shows diane schuler had a blood alcohol content of.19%.
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>> i go to bed every night knowing, my heart is clear. she did not drink. she is not an alcoholic. >> in addition, the autopsy revealed that diane schuler had approximately six grams of alcohol in her stomach. alcohol that had yet to be metabolized. >> i'm not saying that test is wrong here, but something had to happen. this is not a woman who would jeopardize five children. >> toxicology also reveals that diane schuler had a high level of thc. tetra hydra carbonal, thc which is the active ingredient cont n contained in marijuana. >> something happened to her brain. that doesn't give me an answer. does not give me an answer to the alcohol in her stomach. or the marijuana allegedly there. >> in conjunction with the collision reconstruction and its detailed examination of the
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schulers' van, investigators uncovered a broken, 1.75 liter bottle of vodka. >> she is not an alcoholic. >> if you believe the circumstances the way they are now described, you have to believe that a woman with five children in the car is smoking pot and drinking out of a bottle. and breaking news as the mystery surrounding the sudden death of music icon michael jackson intensifies. it is confirmed. jackson's live-in doctor shoots jackson up with propofol, and then heads into another room to make private cell calls. jackson left to die, according to sources, and lapd tonight stops the release of jackson's final autopsy report. as feds and vegas police raid a vegas pharmacy, where jackson's private doctor obtained the powerful intravenous drug. police executing at least five search warrants on jackson's sleepover doctor, vegas and houston. tonight, after 49 days and
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nights, jackson's body still kept on ice, no burial in sight. why? and why have there been no charges lodged against these well-healed doctors, pharmacies, suppliers, and the entourage that doped up a dope addict until he died in front of his own children with blood allegedly on their hands. where? where is lady justice? >> dr. murray comes down the stairs to the stairwell that leads into the kitchen, and screaming, hurry, go get prince, call security, get prince. it seemed like he was in a panicked state. paris starts screaming, "daddy, daddy, daddy." >> cops executed a search warrant at a pharmacy in vegas. it's a follow-up to the search of the home of dr. conrad murray.
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>> two in houston in a storage shed, two in las vegas, and this is the fifth, a pharmacy not far from the clinic where dr. conrad murray practiced in las vegas. this comes on the heels of the conclusion of the coroner's record in last -- l.a. here. they finished their report into the death investigation. but they held it, because lapd has asked them the reason. they say the investigation continues. >> captain steve ruda from the l.a. fire department. and he told me that jackson was not breathing, and had no pulse when paramedics arrived at the scene of his rented mansion. he said he was in, quote, dire need of help. >> he's pumping his chest, but he's not responding to anything. >> i'm told that dr. murray took responsibility at the scene, he was in charge, he was calling the shots. >> you cannot step out of a room giving a patient diprivan. the patient will stop breathing and the patient will be dead.
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and live to oakland and the search for a missing 5-year-old afflicted with cerebral palsy. the boy vanishes from the back seat of a car, just outside a shoe store at a busy suburban shopping center. how could he just disappeared and nobody sees a thing? exclusive. as we go to air, we confirm the last person to see little hasani before he disappears takes a polygraph. his foster dad with us live. homicide investigators join canine tracker dogs, rescue teams, and police spreading out grid-style across the city of oakland. where is 5-year-old hassani? >> we want who is responsible for this. >> after lewis ross parked behind the shoe store in rockridge. he says he told 5-year-old
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hassani campbell to wait at the back door while he walked around to the front to tell his aunt to unlock the door. within a few minutes, the aunt, jennifer campbell says she opened the door, but hasani was gone. >> and i thought maybe he was hiding behind something, or maybe he was choking, or maybe it was something. or maybe he wandered around the front. >> police searched for six hours, but say there were no witnesses who could place hasani behind the store, other than ross. >> the spotlight is still on you. we have not spoken to the media up until this point, not because we were shying or in hiding. we were with police and fbi, giving them all of the information. first day alone we were with police for 17 hours straight. >> our worst fear is he has gone somewhere and is lost, frightened, hurt himself. we want to try to find him before anything like that happens. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for with being us, everyone. very quickly, thank you for all of your calls, e-mail support for my first novel, a murder mystery, thriller.
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"eleventh victim" and it is in the bookstores. part of my proceeds go to my charity wesley glen ministries who provides a loving home to mentally handicapped people. and thank you to everybody to came out last night to celebrate the release. a special thank you to my number one fans, my mother and father, my husband david, my brother mac, sister-in-law jan, guests, friends of the show, network president, my e.p., dean sakoli, and the whole staff. and last night, a very special group of people came to the aid of my father immediately following the book party. thank you to the nyfd, first responders, paramedics, security and the wonderful staff at the new york cornell medical center. i'm grateful to report he is well and with us tonight. and breaking news. god does answer prayers.
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thank you, friends. and to everyone i hope you like the book. and now, a young mother, five little children in a mini van barrels down the wrong way on a packed interstate, slamming into another vehicle. eight dead. one child left hanging on to life. tragedy, yes. accident, no. toxicology reports mommy high on booze and pot. and tonight, another stunning twist. >> the "new york post" reports the attorney representing the family of accused dui mom diane schuler says she was taking anbesol for a toothache and that's what caused her blood alcohol level to be .19, over twice the legal limit. >> prior to getting that car, she had numerous medical conditions, problems. one of them was an abscess which was almost two months old. which she would not go to the
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dentist for, no matter how much he begged. she had diabetes of various levels. also had a lump on her leg, and the lump on her leg, we're not sure what it was, but it was moving. did she have a stroke and then have alcohol? >> autopsy from the medical examiner was very specific. it looked for stroke, heart attack and dissecting aneurysm, and it was negative on all those counts. >> the attorney for the schuler family told me that they are looking into t.i.a. as a possible explanation. t.i.a. is like a stroke, in that it is an interruption of blood flow into the brain, but it does not cause permanent damage. it only lasts a few minutes, it can last up to the most an hour. but it doesn't leave any permanent damage, and therefore doesn't show up in an autopsy. it also does not explain why there would be all kinds of alcohol and drugs in her blood. >> i'm certainly not a doctor, but i don't think alcohol shows
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up in a t.i.a. this problem is just a great example of women driving drunk and how increasing that is. and driving with their kids in their car like diane schuler did. it's a form of child abuse. >> we are taking your calls live. out to sophia hall, reporter with wcbs news radio, 880. thank you for being with us. sophia, i've got it all! anbesol, over-the-counter -- you know, if this could make you have ten shots worth of vodka in your stomach, there would be a lot of drunk babies in town, okay? because when the twins have teething problems, things like this or oragel is a very common pain reliever over the counter. >> it is over the counter and very common. people do use it and go about their day.
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however, diane schuler's family's attorney, her husband's family attorney is saying that's exactly why she had a .19 blood alcohol level. that's what the autopsy showed. however, the medical examiner says, there's a little bit of difference here. anbesol has something called benzyl alcohol, and vodka has something called ethylle alcohol. two different things. the ethyl alcohol was in diane schuler's system. >> a rather bizarre and well-known incident of the taconic parkway was unique, not by its uniqueness, but how much it mirrors what's going on in other lower profile accidents that happen every day.
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had a cup of coffee in the morning, packed the cars up like we always do and headed out. it was just like every other weekend or every weekend we go up there. >> the husband, nancy, is in denial. and it's understandable. if there was a condition of alcoholism, it's something that he just didn't know about. >> this isn't denial, it's repression. he's actually acted as though he knows nothing about his wife. were they living in separate homes? >> it's hard to imagine that he would let his own children in that car if she's impaired behind the wheel.
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>> his press conference last week saying there wasn't alcohol or -- it was diane schuler's alleged medical conditions that caused this accident. >> he said a number of things through his attorney, as well, that maybe she had some stroke-like conditions that didn't show up in initial autopsy. or he also suggested that perhaps she had a tooth abscess. >> the autopsy from the medical examiner was very specific. it looked for stroke, heart attack and dissecting aneurysm. and it was negative on all those counts. and the only thing that would have put her out would have been a stroke. didn't happen. >> straight back to sophia hall, wcbs news radio report -- news radio 880. sophia, right now we know that the police are meeting with prosecutors. that doesn't look good. the only person for them to be looking at logically is the husband. he was not in the car. so i'm assuming that their theory -- the theory they're
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examining for possible criminal charges is that he knew she was drunk or high when he sent those kids off in the car. >> and that's exactly right. and not only are authorities, the police department, looking at that, but also cps, child protective services. because there is the miracle of this crash, the lone survivor, brian schuler, the 5-year-old son of both diane and daniel. and right now, it looks like he is recovering, and he possibly and most likely will go home and live with the father. >> now, to amman ali with the "journal news." he went to the scene of the crash just moments after it happened. welcome. thank you for being with us. amman, why don't they just shhh. why do they keep talking? it seems to get worse and worse. >> that's true, nancy. the attorney for the bastardi family, i talked to him earlier today, and he said he is taking anything the attorney for the schuler family, anything he says
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with a grain of salt. and he is saying more and more these explanations are becoming more and more incredulous. >> getting worse. normally, the lawyer tells the client to clam up. but it seems to me that maybe the client needs to tell the lawyer to shut his pie hole. all right. let's take a look at some of this lawyer's other high-profile cases. there is, of course, michael lohan he represented when lohan sued ex-wife for a stake in daughter lindsay's earnings. his client wanted his daughter's money. and then he represented joey buttafuoco. remember him? you remember the "long island lolita." jessica hahn. you remember jessica hahn, she was the telteleviangelis t
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secretary turned playmate and represented her in a rape case against jim baker, and then the kidney doctor, richard batista. the lawyer sued his wife for $1.5 million or the kidney he gave her before their divorce. now, you think leash the lawyers. veteran defense attorney renee rockwell joining us in our manhattan studios and john burress, renowned defense attorney out of the san francisco jurisdiction. burress, come on, please. help me out here. why doesn't he just zip it? normally it's the lawyer telling the client to be quiet. >> well, i think he's trying to put forth a program to suggest that his client -- the dead woman -- >> i'm sorry, he's trying to put forth what? >> he's trying to put forth a defense, because he is trying to keep his wife and the husband from being prosecuted. he's trying to show that the husband did not have any knowledge about her having this alcohol problem, so therefore, he wants to suggest that the alcohol issues she had were not necessarily alcohol. he's trying to demonstrate that there is another reasonable explanation. it's a tough argument. >> yes, yes, yes.
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renee, wouldn't it be wise to save those explanations for trial, instead of blowing them all out of the water by blurting them out to the press? a moving growth up your leg toward your brain? anbesol over the counter, that made her have ten shots worth of vodka in her tummy, and evidence of pot? >> yeah, it's hard to imagine how something you put on your tooth would just somehow get into your stomach. >> i mean to come into trial, all of these zany theories, the lawyers coming up with. >> no, it's not coming into trial. but i think at most what he needs to be concerned with is a civil case.
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when they interviewed daniel schuler about his wife's medical conditions, they also asked him, did she do drugs recreationally, did she drink at all. and what he told them, she was a social drinker, and she occasionally smoked pot. >> at the time of the crash, she had a blood alcohol of .19 and six grams of undigested alcohol in her stomach. >> there is 1.5 ounces in a
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shot, and there is no doubt that the woman was drinking from the, you know, the minute she got into the car from mcdonald's until the time she crashed. >> the evidence clearly shows she was highly intoxicated. not only that, she was driving the wrong way. >> straight out to the lines. lori in alabama. hi, lori. >> caller: hi. >> what's your question, dear? >> caller: i just wanted to know, they said that she was camping? was the mother of the nieces with them while they were camping? >> good question. out to rupa, our producer on story. what about it? >> that's right. the family was camping 90 miles north of where the crash site happened, and they were together, but it was just daniel schuler, diane schuler, her -- their two children and the three nieces. so in other words, the uncle and aunt were not there. >> got it. let's go to brad lamb, board registered interventionist at bradlamb.com. all of these excuses amount to either a concerted effort to
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avoid cops looking at him. or more denial. that's why people don't have interventions. they're in denial. they don't want to admit there's a problem. now, this problem has cost eight lives. >> if i was the family right now, i would look at trying to not just for right now with the boy -- the surviving child gets out of the hospital, but really talk about who is going to take best care of the child. when you have both parents in denial, i find it's best to get the kids out of the situation so going on there, nancy. >> what about it, dr. bethany? >> not only is it denial, this is pathological denial, and what is she covering up? did she have a history of drinking? did she have an untreated bipolar illness which causes binge drinking? did they have a fight? did they have domestic disputes where she made threats against the children? and do you know what else, nancy? never once does he take all of
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the nightmare began when 36-year-old diane schuler with five kids in her minivan mistakenly turned onto the taconic parkway's exit ramp. >> schuler was disoriented when she drove on to the taconic parkway. she had called her brother and said she didn't feel right. >> she continued for 1.7 miles before it hit this suv carrying three men, who were killed on impact. the minivan with the kids then careened into a third car, rolled down this embankment, and burst into flames. >> toxicology reports showed schuler was twice over the legal
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alcohol limit and showed evidence of marijuana use. >> it's difficult for me to believe that nobody knew the propensity of this woman to drink and have drugs. i think it's extremely unusual, extremely suspicious. i think that the family should have immediately notified the state police to stop that vehicle. they knew the license plate, and not let her proceed. yet they let her proceed. >> the question asked, did she have an alcohol problem, did you know her to go to bars? >> absolutely not. >> did you know her to get drunk and act -- >> i never saw her drunk since the day i met her. >> sad. very sad. upset. lost my daughter, i lost my wife. all i have is my son. >> reporter: are you angry at your wife? >> no. i'm not angry at her. >> reporter: take us through that morning. >> it was normal. she was fine. we had a cup of coffee in the morning, packed the cars up like we always do and headed out.
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it was just like every other weekend, or every weekend we go up there. >> and according to reports, rupa mikkileneni, one of the nieces knew something was wrong and tried to call and said something is wrong with aunt diane. there they were helpless in that car, knowing that something was horribly wrong. seeing cars whizzing past. god only knows what was going on in that car, and i think of the children strapped in, no way out. no way to save their own lives. >> that's right, nancy. and during the time period of that amazing ride, four hours, there were several phone calls made, and one of the phone calls was with one of the children on the phone, indicating fear, and aunt diane is disoriented, doesn't feel well. she didn't use those words, but something was wrong. the children knew it. >> to glen birch, former made
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madd, mothers against drunk drivers, former president, who lost his son to a drunk driver. glen, thank you for being with us. weigh in. >> you know, he's in denial, nancy. you know, when you lose children and your loved ones in such a horrific crime, you're in denial, you're stretched into two different worlds. first you have to face the fact that you have lost your loved ones. secondly, you're thrust into a criminal justice system, and he is trying to have a defense for his wife. but you know, clearly, she doesn't fit the typical picture we have of your drunk driver. she may be a soccer mom. however, her behavior, she clearly is a typical drunk driver. one who has a high bac, that's the fact. and the second fact is, driving the wrong way. and these two factors trump the anbesol. so clearly we have to really take a look at who is going to be the voice of the victims, those innocent children, who are no longer with us.
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you know, evidence is going to come out, but one day when it comes to the trial, let's hope that the evidence speaks loud and clear of what really took place. >> dr. marnie makary, physician and professor of public health at johns hopkins, what do you make of these shifting, changing claims that they are coming up with to explain what happened? >> well, to be honest with you, nancy, the anbesol and the transient ischemic attack or t.i.a., are the most common arguments used in dui and alcohol-related crimes. that's because they're hard to trace. the problem with the anbesol argument is that it increases your breathalyzer alcohol, but not your blood alcohol. so it may give you a false positive on breathalyzer test, but this was a blood alcohol test, so that is going to be medically proven wrong, and that's a fallacy of an argument. the transient ischemic attack, same thing. they're hard to trace, but it would almost be a case report, the first time in the medical literature for a 36-year-old to
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have it. >> everyone, we are shifting gears, going live to california. take a listen. >> michael jackson's life at the end was being controlled and manipulated. >> we have a personal doctor here with him, sir. >> oh, there's a doctor there? >> police have executed a search warrant at a las vegas pharmacy in connection with jackson's death. more than a dozen law enforcement officers, federal drug agents, all inside the applied pharmacy in las vegas. >> this search was specific in that it was a follow-up on information that they were able to get out of murray's clinic and home when that search about a week and a half ago in vegas. they used that information, which now has basically taken them to the pharmacy. and then you could take from that that they are looking for the origin of specific prescriptions that had to do with this case. >> we learned the toxicology report is complete, but the cause of death still top-secret. >> if there is a single drug in his system, and a single obvious
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cause of death, maybe the case gets a little easier. but if there are other drugs in his system, if he has a history of use of other drugs, it does seem like a very hard case. >> you don't take a doctor and stick him in the room, and the doctor gives him something to make him rest, and then he's not going to wake up? something is wrong there. >> tonight we learn of allegations against michael jackson's live-in doctor. reportedly, he shoots jackson up with propofol, a highly powerful intravenous drug, and then leaves the room to make private cell calls? leaving jackson there alone to die? to our chief editorial producer, ellie jostad, what about it, ellie, what do we know? >> nancy, the "los angeles times" is reporting from three different sources that cardiologist dr. murray claims that he spoke to investigators. he told them that he had been regularly administering propofol, that powerful anesthetic to jackson to help him sleep.
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that night in question, jackson was under the influence of propofol. this doctor reportedly told investigators in an interview that, because there had never been problems in the past, he felt he could leave the room and make several phone calls. when he returned, jackson was not breathing. now, we spoke to the spokesperson for the doctor, they wouldn't -- or the doctor's attorney, rather. they wouldn't confirm all of the article's details, but they would confirm the comments of that the attorney made. he said he was not going to dispute what these investigators said, but he says they are not telling the whole story. >> but that doesn't jive, alan duke, entertainment editor with the cnn wire with the earlier story that jackson fell downed down, fell down, cardiac arrest, in front of his son, prince, michael jackson. and the boy thought that his dad was kidding. that doesn't jive. those two stories don't match. >> no, i guess they wouldn't. but what we're hearing today
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from about the phone calls, we're hearing from his attorney, the spokesman for doctor murray's attorney, acknowledging that he made some phone calls to family and relatives before finding jackson in distress in a bedroom. but we're not hearing that part of the story from, of course, the lawyer. >> ellie jostad, the two versions of what happened don't match. >> right, nancy. the version where the children saw michael jackson collapse comes from a "new york post" story originating i believe with stacy brown, the jackson biographer. other reports have said that rather dr. murray found jackson in a bedroom, he started calling for other people in the house. he said, get prince, but it's not clear that jackson actually fell down in the presence of the children. >> to dr. marnie makary again, joining us and johns hopkins. dr. makary, propofol, don't you shoot it up intravenously, and you have to lay there with the needle in your arm the whole
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time while you are asleep and then you take it out when you wake up? >> yes, the second you stop giving it is the second that you wake up. and basically you only use it for general anesthesia. i can understand how he may have gotten comfortable and left the room, but when you get a dose a little higher than the effective dose, it's very easy to stop breathing. >> everybody, we're taking your calls live. breaking news in the michael jackson investigation. the verdict is in. tonight's winner of our show's number one fan contest is north carolina friend gwendolyn wall. she came close to leaving studies at caplan university after becoming extremely ill, but she says that our show inspired her to keep working, and now, she is only a few months away from graduating with a degree in paralegal science. she is not only one of our new fans, but she dedicates her life to supporting our troops. her favorite job is taking care of her husband, chuck, and 14-year-old daughter, shelby.
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really wanted to get a good night's sleep. and that he had gone through everything in the past, really didn't help him to sleep. and he wanted the diprivan. >> search warrants to investigators think michael jackson was an addict. >> the warrant states that -- >> and exactly where, dr. bethany marshall, author of "deal breakers," does the private live-in doctor, stripper girlfriend fit into that scenario? >> apparently dr. murray had an ex-stripper girlfriend with 6 whom he had a love child, and he stashed her in an apartment near king of pop's home. according to one report, he gave this woman a $3,500 check the night after their first encounter. is this the kind of grandiosity that -- >> wait, wait, hold up. their first encounter. you mean their first trick? >> their first sexual encounter? >> you know, be my guest.
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it is like putting perfume on a pig. so, natisha lance, do cell phone records suggest that he juices jackson up with an intravenous shot and leaves the room to call the stripper girlfriend? >> we don't even know how long dr. murray had left the room for, but we do know when he returned, michael jackson was no longer breathing. >> to tom shamshack former police chief, and now an instructor at boston university, private investigator. tom, where would you go from here? >> nancy, good evening. the one investigative tool that i would use would be the timeline, and i would make sure that we find out who was in the room with michael. make sure that the security, the doctor, the nurse, get an idea of who was there, and who was supposed to be there. >> john burress, what about it? >> that's appropriate. i think you've got to find out the timeline. i mean, the doctor is in a very difficult position, because if he left that room for any period of time, and michael was
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unattended, he had some real problems there. >> what kind of problems are you talking? homicide problems? are you talking about neglect? >> negligence. criminal negligence type problems. >> renee? >> because, number one, you're using the wrong time of drug, and secondly, you're negligent in taking care of him. >> that's right, nancy. and if this criminal negligence rises to the level of just something so reckless and out of control, then he is looking at possibly manslaughter charges. >> very quickly, a 5-year-old little boy afflicted with cerebral palsy braces on his ankles missing. take a listen. >> authorities in oakland, california, are searching for clues in the case of missing 5-year-old hasani campbell who is disabled with cerebral palsy. >> police say around 4:00, they received a call for help from the 5-year-old boy's father. he told officers he drove the son to the shoes of rockridge where he could leave the son in his mother's care. police say the father says he left the boy in the bmw of the back lot of the store while he walked around to the front to unlock the door.
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when the father opened the store's back door, he told police his son was gone. >> i feel responsible for this. >> immediately, there was this -- five or six cop cars right after that. it was pretty quick. a number of our regulars ran out to try to see if they could find the little boy. >> the entire area was shut down by investigators as search dogs combed for clues. police fearful that hasani may have been abducted. >> the very latest in this case, to henry k. lee, san francisco chronicle reporter. what about it? >> it's been several days since anyone has seen hasani. we do know that his foster father, louis ross, has taken a polygraph. still no signs of the boy as every hour becomes critical. >> to sylvester koontz, i understand he has agreed to a polygraph? >> that's correct, nancy. in fact, that went down yesterday, according to the reports we're hearing. now, the foster mother in the case did not want to take a polygraph.
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she is six months pregnant and was concerned there might have been a health risk involved there, but in fact the foster father did take a polygraph test yesterday. with me right now, special guest, that foster father to hasani, lewis ross. mr. ross, thank you for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> mr. ross, i understand you volunteered to take a polygraph. >> yes, i did. we have nothing to hide. and basically, it was just -- this has been a traumatic experience. we understand the police have a job to do, and part of their job is ruling out everything. so polygraph was basically a normal process. >> mr. ross, i really admire that. mr. ross, explain to me in the moments that we have left, everyone wants to know, you left the boy in the car. but now that i understand what you're telling us, it's much more innocent than it sounds. >> yes. that's part of our frustration.
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i mean, outside of our son being missing, the information that's been circulated through the media, the majority of it is incorrect. let's begin with where my son was when i left. this is a routine we have had for the last four to five months, because i have been actually in a class from 6:00 to 9:30 on those nights, and there was a time window when we needed someone to watch the kids. i would be in class, and jennifer would be at work. their aunt. so i would drop the kids off at the store, and they would stay in the back room and play with each other until she got off work, and they would all come home together, and i would see them at 9:30, 10:00 at night when i got from class. as normal routine, i would pull into the back park -- there's a little small parking lot behind the store that accommodates about two to four cars. i would pull into that parking spot, then proceed to basically get out of my side, walk around,
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open up the door for hasanni, and because that was normal routine, hasanni is not as physically disabled as has been portrayed in the media. number one, he does not wear silver leg braces that's been thrown out there in the media, which is kind of disconcerting, because to me, that was a discriminator. if i'm scanning, looking for a child and you tell me he's missing and wearing silver leg braces on the outside of his clothes, that's what i'm looking at. we were extremely frustrated to say that that story got out. >> right. aren't they small, white braces on his ankles? >> yes. and you -- >> okay. >> don't need to wait for you to see them, as if you actually -- he was wearing shorts, and even then you would have to look down. >> so you open the door, and you're in this back parking lot, and then what happened? >> i opened up his car door. while i open up the door -- he has already taken off his seatbelt from his car seat and standing up, waiting to get out. as i walk around to hit the side with his sister, i say hasani, go stand by the back door. he has done this a couple times before.
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i grab his sister, 19 months, and take her with me. before leaving the car, i pop the trunk of the car and open the trunk and shut the door. so at this time, his door is open, and the trunk of my car is open. and then i proceed to the front of the store. at the front of the store, i don't walk inside. i'm still on the sidewalk. i see their aunt. she knows why i'm there. i tell her, open up the back door. >> okay. >> she turns to walk to the back to open up the door. i then circle back, the same way i came, right around the corner, to basically hand over alia. by the time i got there, jennifer is already out of the store, walking toward me, asking where is hasanni, and i say, what do you mean, where's hasanni? and i look to the side, and he is no longer there. >> everyone, with me right now is hasanni's foster father,
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louis ross, the subject of intense scrutiny being the last one with the little boy. his explanation is perfectly crystal clear. he is taking your calls. as we go to break, i want to wish a very happy birthday to a new york friend of the show, a proud mother of three, beautiful anita torres, happy birthday, and also thank you to annette in the new york bookstore who hosted a book signing just before we went to ire. thank you.
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back to the father of hasanni campbell a 5-year-old little boy. he is not wearing the big silver leg braces, but wearing white plastic braces around the ankles, and he simply can't jump or run and you would not notice them unless he had on shorts. louis ross, it sounds like he was standing there unattended for a matter of seconds, maybe less than a minute and maybe a minute at most. >> it was about two to five minutes was our routine for months. >> and what flashed through your mind when she said where is
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hasanni? >> initially, it didn't hit me, because he is standing around there and probably just got, when hasanni gets frustrated, he freezes, so i thought he would be on the side. we all thought, and even jennifer thought he was hiding, joking around. >> how did you come to be his foster father? >> to make a long story short, his biological parents are not in the position mentally to take care of him. so, jennifer had gotten involved with their lives and visiting them and we were approached by social services would we be willing to take them. one of the concerns was hasanni most likely would not be placed, but the sister, who was an infant would be placed and they would be split up, so we basically agreed -- >> so you took them in even though your wife is pregnant? >> she is pregnant after the fact, and that is correct. we are engaged. >> everyone, won't you help us? this little boy with cerebral palsy missing.
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510-238-3641. let's stop and remember marine lance corporal jeremy lasher. he lost his wife 48 hours after last speaking to his wife. a volunteer firefighter back home with a big heart and smile. loved landscaping, music and drawing and football team the new york giants. leaves behind parents vicki and gary and also brother brian, also a serving marine, and a little brother kayden. thank you to our guests, but especially you. see you tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m. eastern. p.m. eastern. until then, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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hello, i'm lisa bloom. this is a "showbiz tonight" news break. here's some of what we're covering for you on "showbiz tonight" at the top of the hour. it's a brad pitt blitz. brad pitt is showing up everywhere, sounding off about gay marriage, his sex life with angelina jolie. even about running for mayor? but could the brad blitz actually backfire? also, breaking michael jackson news. tonight, shocking revelations about his money and what happened in his final moments. plus, la toya jackson's extraordinary interview for the first time since she said that she thinks that michael was murdered. and the great kelly clarkson weight debate. the outrage of what a major magazine did to kelly clarkson on its cover. why did they make kelly look so much thinner?
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