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terror along a country road. a single mom kidnapped while taking a nightly stroll. new today, her cell phone has been found. more than three miles from where she was taken. will this new clue be just what the cops need to find her. >> plus, when is prayer a criminal offense in the u.s.? a high school principal and athletic director may face jailtime six months behind bars for praying at a luncheon on school property after hours. their lawyer says there were no students there. are we at that point where we're going to lock somebody up for giving thanks for their food? love hearing from you, call in, 1-877-tell-hln. you can e-mail us cnn.com/"prime
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news." your chance to be heard. welcome. this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. breaking new developments in the search for a missing single mom kidnapped while on a walk almost a week ago. at first the only trace of christi corn well was some belongsings left on a country road in blairsville, georgia. her cell phone was found more than three miles from where she was abducted. she was abducted last tuesday night. she was walking for exercise near her parents' home talking to her boyfriend on the cell phone. last thing he hears, she's mother talked to abc's "good morning america." she still cling to hope. let's listen. >> i want them to know that we love her very much and we need her back. her son needs his mother. back. and i need my baby back, we all
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need her back. and we believe we're going to get her back. >> our thoughts and prayers are with the family, grieving mom, no doubt a grieving 15-year-old son in the midst of this. we'll take your calls, the number 1-877-tell-hln. let's get the latest from jank bankhead, director of public affairs with the georgia bureau of investigation. john, good to have you back. let's talk about the cell phone, john. where was it found? >> it was a property owner who was mowing his grass right near the road and spotted the cell phone. one of the sons had lost one, they thought it was theirs. they picked it up and turned it on and recognized immediately that it belonged to kristi and called the sheriff. he came out and verified it was her cell phone. >> and where was it found in relation to where she was last seen, where we believe she was taken, john? >> well, the abduction site was
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on jones creek road and the cell phone site is on knotly dam road which is maybe two miles from the abduction site. the location indicates the abductor could have been heading towards north carolina. so you know, we're also checking with cherokee county north carolina authorities and working with them on this issue. >> are you still going off the two vehicles that you and i talked about last friday? i believe it was a white suv and a tan or gold sedan? nissan or it's tan in color, something about that size that was seen in the area around the time she was abducted. >> any indication whether it was random, she was targeted?
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>> we don't know. it could be either. it could be a targeted abdubz by somebody she knew or had worked with earlier or just a random abdubz, but at this point, we don't know which it might be. >> john, i know there's a sensitivity around the investigation, but i'll ask because we found out she's a former probation officer. >> right. >> is that a source where you guys are really looking to see who she had contact with most recently? >> yes, we are working with the georgia department of corrections to go over her files to see what might be in there that could be useful to the investigation for possible interviews with people she came in contact with. >> john, last one for you and we'll let you go. are there signs of a struggle? we had talked about some of her belongings being found on the side of the road. what more can you tell us about that? >> based on what the boyfriend heard at the time, it was indicative of a struggle. there were some belongings of hers that were found at the site. we haven't mentioned
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specifically what those were, but we feel strongly that this is a vehicle abduction and it's supported by the fact that the cell phone was found two or three miles away. so we are asking the public if they have any information on her whereabouts, please call the union county sheriff's office. >> john, is the cell phone your best lead right now? anything else coming up? >> well, we have a lead coming in. we have a separate group of agents that are working the missing person's case at the same time the searchers are going on in this area of union county and we also have agents that have been brought in. doing another neighborhood canvass in the area of the abduction to see if people living in the area might have additional information which would be helpful to the investigation. >> john bankhead, we wish you the best. our thoughts and prayers with the family. want to bring in don clark, former fbi special agent in charge, also with us dr. bryon russell, forensic psychologist.
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don, listening to john talk, you've got to start with her as a former probation officer or at least that's one of your starting points. >> i think it's one of the starting points, mike. in addition to the probation officer, i think you have to go out and interview almost everybody that this person knew, particularly the probationes or the parolees she was working for. you cannot omit anybody. here's the other thing. i think the cell phone is huge here. talking to the fbi today and they've been offered their services to the gbi there is that that cell phone could have a number of things. it could have forensic evidence with it, it's got to have fingerprint evidence and someone may have heard a voice they may be able to identify. you've got those things working with it. you cannot exclude those parolees, i'm sorry. >> the words, you know, i couldn't imagine what the boyfriend's going through then and now to hear, please don't take me. that's the last we've seen of kristi. what does that tell you. >> that leads me to believe this
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was a targeted kidnapping by someone she knew. the words she used, the fact she was on a cell phone and somebody went ahead and did it anyway, the location is not a location where somebody would be driving around looking for a random victim and as we've noted, the history of working as a probation officer and there's a complicated relationship history. when i see that stuff. >> caller: start to think somebody who knew her targeted her. the downside, it makes it more likely to happen. if we can find out who had it in for her, it makes it more likely to find her. >> we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. we'll ask both our experts about the cell phone. what can we glean from that?
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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. the chilling disappearance of christi corn well, 38-year-old boy has to be grieving wondering where his mom is. her mom talking on good morning america shedding tears. janet is with us in louisiana. your comment or question here? >> caller: yes, my comment is something's not making sense here. if someone was about to grab me and i was talking to my boyfriend, the first thing i would try to say is what type of car or what type of man was grabbing me. i think they need to check the boyfriend. >> hmm. i'll say this about the boyfriend. so far he's checked out. he was in atlanta when the two were talking via the cell phone. authorities have confirmed they were indeed talking on the cell phone. so far he has been cleared. go ahead, brian. >> it's easy to overestimate the extent to which you would have that kind of presence of mind.
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or would you be saying something like oh, try to take me. >> you don't think she would have said the name if she knew who they were? how do you react in a situation like that. >> very hard to know. one of the reports i have says that the boyfriend actually hung or lost the call with her and then called the mother, her mother first before 911. that's bizarre to me. that makes me want to -- i agree with the caller in that i want to look at the boyfriend because of that. >> don, hearing what brian's saying there maybe you call mom because it's close to where she lives, right?
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depending on their relationship, called the mom, obviously he had a phone number that he could tell her. i don't really weigh a lot into that although it could be a possible into it. i have had this conversation about what she said at the time. you know, that something was happening. most people would scream or yell or whatever. we don't know this person's demeanor. i don't know her demeanor as to whether she would yell or scream. had she done that, it probably would have been a little bit better because she may have had more conversation. >> you look into her background, the degree in criminal justice, trained in firearms, taught self-defense courses. that kind of tells us somebody who maybe wouldn't panic like the normal person. do you agree with that. >> i certainly do agree with it because you're right. particularly as a probation officer and so forth. so you would think she might react a little bit differently
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to let somebody know something is going on here. >> brian, don, we appreciate it. coming up, a disabled boy missing for a week has cerebral palsy. his foster father left him in a store parking lot. just varnished. do police have any idea what happened to that cute little guy? and how about this, this doll. how does a doll make it to store shelves. this is a depiction of a little african-american baby. you see the caption, little monkey with a monkey. how does it get to store shelves? it made it there. we'll take your calls at 1-877-tell-hln.
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again, nancy's going to be taking your calls. going to be giving away books, as well. call in tomorrow 5:00 eastern right here on "prime news." at this hour, police are searching for a missing boy near oakland, california. hasanni campbell disappeared last monday. he has cerebral palsy, wears tiny braces on his will hes to get around. he capitol have gone far on his own. his foster father says he left the boy next to his car outside a busy shopping center where his fiance, would and says when he returned minutes later, little ha sany was gone. the fbi has now joined in on the investigation. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining me, former fbi special agent in charge, don clark. drin bryon russell, and jackson vanderbeck from the san francisco chronicle. jackson what, are police saying happened to this little guy. >> they really don't know.
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all they have is the fact that the boy was left briefly alone in the back of the store by the foster father who went around the front and when they went to get the boy from the back using the backdoor, he and his fiance discovered the boy was gone. and they've done a lot of questioning of the foster father in this case. and they talked to him about various things. they've met with him again the other day in which he took them to an automotive salvage yard which had he visited with the boy. know, whatever they can find. >> okay. jaxon, did anybody see lewis ross with little ha sany at either the auto parts yard or in
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together? foster father at the store per se. >> okay, and explain that to me, jaxon. so he goes from the auto parts store, drives to this -- it's a shoe place where his fiancee who's hasanni's anti- would, right. >> that's correct. >> did he let little hasanni off? he said the plan was he actually parked. and he says the last time he will saw hasanne was when the boy got out of the vehicle. cowalk on his own. >> okay. >> and he said he looked to the back as he went around to the front of the store and saw the
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boy get out of the vehicle. and then he went around to go in through the front door. and then they were going to let the kid in through the back. and so like i said, there's apparently no surveillance video of the rear of the store. there's no indication that is anybody saw the boy or what had happened at that point. >> okay. >> so that's where we are there. >> got you. let me bring in don clark on that. don, raising a couple of sons myself, when they were 5, i wouldn't just drop them off anywhere. right? >> isn't that fishy to you? >> i'm continually baffled when hear these kinds of activities and i'm sure that the parents or the foster parents are grieving about whatever situation is going on right now. but look, you don't leave 5-year-olds standing out there any place. i still believe that child predators are the worst thing against little guys out there. you've got that to be concerned and just the evil people to be concerned. plus the fact the idea that the little guy would just wander off
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someplace. you've got a things and searching and so forth that the authorities as well as civilian help to help find this little guy can go to in those areas. >> about hasanni, little guy's got cerebral palsy. to the back of the store. foster father says the support braces that on his own for short distances without the aid even, you know, he could do that. so but he does not believe that hasanni just walked away. that's what he said. >> brian, what do you make of this? as a father, you look at that and say wait a minute, you would walk the little guy to see his aunt who works at the shoe store. you're not just dropping him off. >> don is right. it could be a random opportunistic pedophile in the area. it doesn't feel like that kind
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of case to me either. i want to know more about this family. a foster family is living with the aunt but there's reportedly a stepfather involved. the fact that the police have spent so many hours with this family indicates to me that they too are wondering if there might be a disgruntled family member out for an opportunity to pick this child up. >> homicide detectives are in on this case, right. right, one full-time investigator was brought in, because they say there are short resources and that they needed a veteran set of eyes looking at this. >> doon, do you read into that at all or manpower shortage, would that make sense? >> this manpower shortage you can find personnel from somewhere to help look for this little guy. that's what they've got to do. >> when we come back, we'll talk about the family situation. take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. d
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welcome back to "prime news." a doll quickly pulled from shelves after shouts of racism. there you see the doll, little baby doll, headband sayslittle monkey. how does that get through product development, manufacturing? how many people worked on this doll before it his shelves? no one caught this. take your calls on this one, 1-877-tell-hln. we want to hear from you on this story, as well. help me out here. since when prayer a crime? even worthy of jailtime in the u.s.? get this, in florida, the santa rosa county school district bans
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contempt. thanks for a meal at a luncheon in january. this was after hours and their lawyer says students were not there. they could face six months behind bars for a prayer. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining me, matt staver for the principal and the athletic director and also with us, glen indicaten director for the aclu's religious freedom project. matt, how can it be criminal it pray in this case? >> that's the outrageous issue we're face in this case. it's not the school that's banning, it's an order in effect that is approved by the court in this case. it's so broad that it literally limits free speech and any kind of religious activity, including even as senting to someone else's religious activity after school on campus or even after school on campus. nine days after this order was entered into, the principal and the athletic director robert friedman were hosting a luncheon
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to honor boosters who had contributed for an athletic fieldhouse. only a handful of school officials were there. community looked over to the athletic if he they imagine they would knot now be targets of criminal contempt which faces $5,000 in fines and up to six months in jail and possibly even losing their retirement benefits, one of them has worked for the school district for 30 years and other 40 years and now they're facing this unbelievable situation. >> let's bring in glen on this. do they deserve jailtime for saying grace? >> the aclu certainly has never taken a position that anyone in this case deserves to be in jail. the federal judge herself is the one who initiated these contempt proceedings. and we're basically on the sidelines in terms of criminal
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contempt, but the important part of in that mr. staver hasn't mentioned and hasn't been covered is the context in which this whole proceeding developed. there were pervasive and persistent problems in this school district with the principal, with school administrators, forcing their religious beliefs on students and other fafaculty. in that context, the attorney for the school district, mr. lay's attorney and the attorneys for the aclu agreed on the entry of a preliminary injunction that the judge approved. and that preliminary injunction prevented the principal and others from using their official context of school events. it was very simple. and it appears from the evidence that principal lay brazenly violated that by encouraging the athletic director to give a prayer in a school event that
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involved students and fact who were present. >> now we've got to -- matt says there were no students there. you're saying there were students there. are we going to agree to disagree on that? >> there was no students there. this was not a student event. there were students making the meal in the cafeteria separate from this particular event. this was an event for adults. no school students were there. it's the aclu after this preliminary injunction was entered that went to the court and they said that they believe that principal lay and the athletic director should be held in contempt. they are the one who's raised the contempt issue. that's why we're here. the aclu could clearly stop this thing if they really did not want to have people prosecuted for prayer but i don't see them come forth and filing documents saying this goes too far, this is not what we intended. they brought up the contempt issue to the court. >> kelly with us in north carolina. your thoughts on this one? >> caller: i think this is
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absolutely ridiculous. i don't know what kind of civilization this world has come to where the fact that we cannot pray where we'd like to pray at, whether it's for a meal, whether it's for something to do with our families, our religious beliefs. whatever the case may be. i honestly believe that this world has gone downhill quickly. north carolina and arrest me right along with them. i honestly believe someone needs to do something about this. >> glen, is the agreement between the -- does it go as far as someone cannot even bro bow their head to say grace before a meal, a teacher couldn't do that by themselves quietly. certainly not, students and teachers can bow their head in their office, wherever they want to as a personal exercise.
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they are perfectly free to observe their religious beliefs. and we would defend their right to do that. what we're talking about are principals and teachers publicly using their official positions to advance their personal religious beliefs. and i'd like to say to kelly, your caller, people can pray, all of these people could pray in the hallways, in their offices in the cafeteria. what would you do if your teacher prayed to a god who wasn't yours or who told you there was no god? i expect you would be upset by that, and you should be. >> clearly that's not an establishment of religion. the aclu has gone way too far in this case. i think most people are outraged you would have jail time for prayer over a meal. >> we'll take mover your phone calls. we've got both sides laid out for you. the number 1-877-tell-hln.
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of you want to comment on a principal and an athletic director possibly facing jailtime for pray. here's facebook comments. one from terry writing this. all right. heather weighing in on facebook writing this. and we are also taking your phone calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. let's go to the phones. again, the show's about you making things go here. jay jay is with us in indiana. go ahead. >> caller: it's a travesty in this country when you can't have prayer in a school with one of the administrators or a principal or a coach or athletic director. you know, that's the problem with our youth nowadays. they don't have god and prayer in church. if the kids had that more, maybe we wouldn't have the drive by shootings and the drugs and the alcohol problems that we have
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with the youth today. >> jj, thanks for the call. we have matt staber, a lawyer representing the principal and the athletic director. glen kaidan is with the aclu, the director of the religious freedom project. glen, i read that the senior class president was not allowed to speak at the graduation ceremony because "she might say something religious." that sounds like a freedom of speech violation to me. what was the reasoning for that? >> i don't know why the school chose not to allow that student to speak, but in terms what have a free speech violation it may have been, you had a stun student, my understanding was the student was elected in part by the school's faculty. when have you -- which then makes the student a spokesperson on behalf of the fact cult. when you have a hand picked student to deliver a mess and, it's not free speech. >> you're saying that the faculty was going to tell her what to say at the graduation? >> frankly, i don't know. i know that when the faculty in
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effect chooses the speaker, that that's not free speech. when you have the salutatorian and valedictorian speak which they did and if they're allowed to speak on whatever subject they want, including prayer, we absolutely would support that. >> yeah. >> that's true free speech. what happened with? >> let me just say the quick point, this is the first time in 33 years the class president has not been allowed to speak at graduation ceremonies. matt, you want to weigh in on this one. >> this was the student body president. they've had a student body president speak for 33 years. they said she was christian, she didn't announce what she was going to say. because of that threat from the aclu, the school after 33 years remove her from the entire platform and it's not true about what glenn just said. i litigated against the aclu and liberty council defended another school district for 8 1/2 years where the policy was simply that a student could have a message
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of his or her choice. the aclu's position was you could say anything secular but the student could not say anything religious. fortunately after 8 1/2 years, we won that case against the aclu. we have an attempt to literally cleanse religion from the students, the faculty, the entire school district which violates the first amendment to do so. >> glenn, i'll let you rebut that. >> i don't know what case he's referring to. i wasn't involved in it, but i do know in this case, he's only become recently involved and wasn't involved when all of these events were taking place. but we never told the school that they can or can't do anything. that's for the school to decide. >> that's not true. >> well, i mean, i was representing the plaintiffs in this case at the time. the school decided that there was a potential establishment clause violation if a hand picked student delivered a message. if a student is given true speech, we absolutely support
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it. that's the bottom line. >> you didn't do that in adler versus duval county school board. this just crosses the line. >> i want to wrap up with this text. here's one saying i'm an atheist but jailtime for prayer is a little exream. don't you think? i agree with that right there. thanks so much, matt, glenn, good spirited debate. coming up, want to hear from you on this one. an african-american doll for sale. headband on that doll sayslittle monkey. shoppers saw this before it was pulled from the shelves. how did someone not catch this somewhere along the line of production? we'll take your calls at 1-877-tell-hln.
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she's next to a monkey there. you see the little headband or cap and it sayslittle monkey. how does that happen? how does something so offensive make it on the store shelves? here's ben singer from wxi snooi i couldn't believe it. >> john taylor couldn't believe seeing this doll on the shelves at the costco in greensboro. >> seeing that, it all just brought everything back to me. >> an african-american doll with this phrase on its hat reminded him of the discrimination he experienced before the civil rights movement. he complained to management and his concerns reached the corporate offices in washington state. >> they need to watch and see, you know, what they're putting out in the stores. >> reporter: a company vice president says buyers immediately decided the doll did have the potense to offend and pulled them from all stores after only about a day on the shelves. >> when i first look at it and no, i don't think anything about it. but you know, now that i see the
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little monkey, yes, i can see where that would probably present a problem. >> that's a negative impact for an african-american. >> brass key keepsakes sold the dolls exclusively to costco. the ceo says the racial incense activity wasn't apparent because the dolls are a set of three that also portray white and hispanic ethnicity. the ceo says it is so unfortunate that they have been portrayed that way. they were in no way meant to be disrespectful. >> when you look at it in the big picture it's more an issue of lack of sensitivity than some intent to be racist. >> wake forest business professor derek boone says the oversight should have been caught but says costco responded correctly to the complaint and says this is an example he will use in the classroom. >> an incident such as this demonstrates the need for
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greater sensitivity and the value of diversity of opinion. >> i agree with the gentleman there from wake forest. we'll take your calls on this 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about this, boyce watkins, professor syracuse university, founder of your black world.com. chris burn, content director for time to play mag.com. and chris, i'll start with you. as we -- because that's one of the questions. how does it make on the store shelves? can you answer that for us? >> i think professor boone was correct when he said it was incense activity. i think people weren't think. we've seen this a lot when things are intended for global distribution, they may be insensitive in one market and completely benign in another. when thomas the tank engine was introduced into the u.s., it was so british it didn't communicate to the united states. that's something that happens all the time. i think the costco people responded appropriately. somebody just wasn't thinking.
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but you've got to think that way in this market. >> chris, how many eyes do you think saw this and could have caught this? any idea. >> it's hard to know because ex buying structure. but i would say 10, 12 people probably saw it and what they saw was a cute doll that's probably doing well overseas and, you know, it just went right over their head. no excuse for it, but that does happen. >> let me get costco's statement in. i'll get boyce in. they say, costco's policy is when they receive complaints to pull products from store shelves immediately. we offer apologies to anyone offended by the product, that was surely never our intent." boyce, what are you seeing here, racism? lack of sensitivity? what are your thoughts? >> basically, i think in business school 101 you don't put out a black doll with the word "monkey" anywhere near that doll. and i think that's common sense. but then you can also dig a little deeper and realize that this company's not necessarily guilty of trying to be racist but they are guilty of deliberately putting themselves
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in a position where they are vulnerable to these sorts of mistakes. the truth is that you really have to look at costco and dig deeper and figure out, does this company really embrace enough diversity within its management structure? do they teach racial sensitivity classes so these mistakes aren't made? so i wouldn't say they're necessarily trying to do this. they didn't wake up and say how do we offend black people today? but they did make a huge mistake and they need to analyze it more deeply than just taking it off the shelves. >> yeah, again, i think it's a real lack of sensitivity here. we did some research. boyce, to your point. we weren't able to lay out the management structure and the makeup, but we were able to find out that they do have a diversity scholarship for high school students to go to i believe it's the university of washington in the pacific northwest for highly qualifying minority students. there's that on the table as we look at this. guys, we'll take a quick break and take some calls on the other side. what are your thoughts? do you see lack of sensitivity or racism? )$)$)$)$)$)$)$)$)$)$)$
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terror along a country road. a single mom kidnapped while taking a nightly stroll. new today, her cell phone has been found. about two to three miles from where she was taken. will this new clue be just what the cops need to find her? >> plus, when is prayer a criminal offense in the u.s.? a high school principal and athletic director may face jail time six months behind bars for praying at a luncheon on school property. and this was after hours. their lawyer says no students were there. are we at that point where we're going to lock somebody up for saying thanks for their food? call in. number 1-877-tell-hln. you can e-mail-u cnn.com/primenews. or text us at hlntv, just start
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your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. >> controversy, opinion, your point of view. this is "prime news." welcome. this is hour number two of "prime news." i'm mike galanos. we have breaking new developments in the search for a missing single mom kidnapped while on a walk. it was almost a week ago. at first the only trace of kristi cornwell was some of her belongings left on a country road in blairsville, georgia. now new information today. her cell phone was found two to three miles from where she was abducted last tuesday night. cornwell was walking for exercise near her parents' home, talking to her boyfriend on the cell phone. and the last thing he hears, she's screaming and saying "please don't take me." today her mother talked on abc's "good morning america." she is still clinging to hope. let's listen. >> i want them to know that we love her very much and we need her back. her son needs his mother back. and i need my baby back, we all need her back.
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and we believe we're going to get her back. >> that's heartbreaking there. joining us now to talk about it by phone, keith hogstead, he is kristi cornwell's cousin. keith, let's pick up on that with the emotion. how's the family holding up? that's got to be a difficult time right now. >> that was tough listening to that again. yeah, it's been a lot of up and downs as you might expect. it started out just shock when he found out it had happened, and since then it's just been a roller coaster of, you know, anger and in some cases but just frustration about what's happening but also appreciation for the way the community and the law enforcement have reacted and all the efforts they've put in. and now it's going through just exhaustion after six days of going through these things. it's been a roller coaster.
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>> i'm sure. how's her 15-year-old son holding up? >> he's doing okay. just, again, similar to the rest us. a lot of up and down. >> keith, do you have any leads? do you have any idea on what might have happened to your cousin? >> no. i mean, you guys are hearing everything that we are for the most part with regard to the investigation from the folks at gbi have done a great job and the local sheriff's office and all the other agencies that have been a part of it have done a good job of getting information out about what's been discovered, and we don't have any real new information at the moment. >> does your cousin have any enemies, anybody who would target her? >> not that we know of. you know, we've been getting that question quite a bit from both investigators and the media. nobody that we can think of, you know, that we're aware of would have had that kind of relationship or concern or frustration or anything with kristi. none of us are perfect, but you her very much. and everybody that we know had a great relationship with her.
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>> any -- she's a former probation officer. did she have any issues on the job? i know -- in past years. any real incidents that would alarm you now? >> not that we're aware of. again, obviously the law enforcement folks are aware that's a part of her background. so they were concerned about those things and i think have probably done a good bit of investigation of those folks. nobody that we're aware of. she was primarily from -- involved in things like drug counseling as a probation officer and those kinds of things. but you know, we don't know the variety of people she came in contact with. but we don't know of anything definite in that realm. >> keith, thanks for taking time. our thoughts and prayers with you and your family for strength, and we hope and pray for kristi's safe return. keith, thanks again. >> we -- >> yeah, joining us to talk further about this, don clark, former fbi special agent in charge. also with us, our forensic psychologist, dr. brian russell. all right, don, let's start piecing this together. let's start with the cell phone. how important of a clue is that to find kristi's cell phone about two to three miles from
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where they believe she was taken? >> well, i think it's a good clue, and it seems right now to be perhaps, mike, the best clue that they have, is that cell phone. at least you've got some voice on there, you're going to be able to get some forensics off there. you're probably going to be able to get some fingerprints off of that phone. and so you've got at least that to work with. it was three miles from where she came from, but that notwithstanding i think you might be able to get something off of that. i think probably the biggest thing that's really gnawing at a few people, and i was even talking to some females, and i talked to a lady who works very closely with me and i have a high respect for, that just "don't take me" sort of gives them a little word that that might be -- i'm not suggesting that because i know the family wants her to come back. but had i think law enforcement has to look at every aspect of this, they've got to be interview anybody that's ever come in contact that they can find in this area with her to try to develop what could have happened out there that night beyond just a regular kidnapping. >> brian, let's pick up where
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don's leaving off there, on those words "please don't take me." people don work with, they're talking about it. what do you see there? >> i wish we had a hap. i wish i could listen to the entire thing start to finish. it just makes me wonder if it wasn't a targeted thing. it makes me think that maybe somebody who didn't have any idea who was stopping the car next to her on a walk would say something different. but i'd really need to hear a tape to be able to have more confidence in saying that. and all our viewers could think about what you would say, but it seems to me like "oh, my god," a car for me would be more natural if you had side and a down side to having targeted. is being targeted makes something more likely to happen to you. the up side, though, is if it is if we can figure out who had it in for you then a lot of times we can get to you faster. >> guys, we'll take your calls. thoughts, questions about this. call-n 1-877-tell-hln is the number. and we're also learning, again,
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hey, kaitlin. >> caller: i just want to send out my condolences or my sympathy to the family. i know they must be going through hell right now. and in alabama i'm telling you, i don't go out and walk the dog. i don't go shopping. i don't go out in front of my house without a 9-millimeter pistol. it is an age where you just can't trust anything. you look at something and it may walk like a duck and quack like a duck but it's not always a duck. >> kaitlin, thanks for the call. we have don clark with us, former fbi special agent in charge. don, we look at the background here of kristi cornwell, former probation officer, she's trained courses. should have helped her see. well, you would hope that the training and experience that she had and the people that she had dealt with would have helped her in this situation. and mike, we don't know. perhaps what she did, she thought was helping her in this
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situation. but one thing i think we really do know is that when we look at two vehicles or it appears to be two vehicles and a setting where they had her out, she was able to talk and -- it certainly it wasn't just a k kidnapping. >> so you're seeing targeted, not random? >> i think so. that's what i'm focusing on. that time of night, two vehicles involved. you just don't roam down the street for any opportunity to kidnap somebody. they had to be knowing her pattern. >> let's get a call in. melissa's with us in indiana. hi, melissa. your thoughts anywhere. >> caller: hi, mike. i don't like to say this. i'm a retired nurse. but i'm going to play devil's advocate here. just because of the area. because i've had previous things happen to women down in that area. what chance that maybe her boyfriend set this all up? >> well, at least so far here's what we're hearing, melissa,
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that the boyfriend was in atlanta at the time and they were on the phone together. so all -- he's checking out so far. brian, we're hearing some suspicions there from melissa. are you suspicious of the boyfriend at all? again, so far he's checking out. >> well, the police have said that, that they're not considering him a suspect. and i'm not saying i suspect him. the only real question i have for him as you said in the last hour is one of the reports i have says that when this happened he called her mother before calling 911. good point that maybe that's because the mother lives closer. just thinking if one of my loved ones says on the phone "oh, my god, don't take me, don't taye take me" i'm not calling their mother because even if the mother's down the street what's she going to do? i want tough guys with guns on the scene as fast as possible. so i would just want to know from this boyfriend if this was true what's with calling the mother before the cops? >> and we'll do some research, see who was calling 911, the boyfriend or the mom. we'll try to get that for you
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next time we're covering the story. don, we know her personal belongings, some anyway, found near where she was taken. what does that tell you? sign of a struggle? >> it's a possibility of a sign of a struggle. but there's another thing that bothers me a little bit with this, mike, is how -- what distance did they find her belongings? did they get her belongings right at the scene there where the truck stopped or the car stopped and got her? or was it strewn along the way? that's a whole different scenario. that's where i'd have to know where that evidence was, or did they just walk along and find it. that tells me something totally different. >> we've got to leave it there.
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i've been dringing it in the last couple nights. again, nancy's going to be joining us, taking your calls. going to be giving away books, as well. make sure to call in tomorrow 5:00 eastern on "prime news." at this hour, police are frantically searching for a missing boy near oakland, california. 5-year-old hassani campbell disappeared last monday. the little guy has cerebral palsy, wears tiny braces on his legs to get around. police say he couldn't have gone far on his own. hassani's foster father says he left the boy next to his car outside a busy shopping center, where his fiancee works, who's hassani's aunt, and says when he returned minutes later, little hassani was gone. just like that, vanished. the fbi has now joined in on the investigation. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about it, former fbi special agent in charge, don clark. our forensic psychologist dr. brian russell. and with us, jaxon vanderbek, staff writing from the "san francisco chronicle." jackson, what are police saying happened to this little guy? what theories are they going on here?
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>> they really don't know. all they have is the fact that the boy was left briefly alone in the back of the store by the foster father, who went around the front, and when they went to get the boy from the back using the backdoor, he and his fiance discovered the boy was gone. and they've done a lot of questioning of the step -- excuse me, the foster father in this case. and they talked to him about various things. they met with him again the other day in which he took them to an automotive salvage yard which had he visited with the boy. looking for, you know, whatever >> okay. jaxon, did anybody see lewis ross with little hassani at
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either the auto parts yard or in the back of the stores or any witness that's saw the two did see the boy crying during the day. and then the disappearance but there's no sighting of the the store per se. >> okay, and explain that to me, jaxon. we'll get don and brian in. so he goes from the auto parts store, drives to this -- it's a shoe place where his fiancee who's hassani's aunt, works, right? >> that's correct. >> did he drive to the back of the store and let little hassani off? >> he said the plan was he actually parked. and he says the last time he saw hassani was when the boy got out of the vehicle. he could walk on his own. >> okay. >> and he said he looked to the
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back as he went around to the front of the store and saw the boy get out of the vehicle. and then he went around to go in through the front door. and then they were going to let the kid in through the back. and so like i said, there's apparently no surveillance video of the rear of the store. there's no indication that anybody saw the boy or what had happened at that point. >> okay. >> so that's where we are there. >> got you. let me bring in don clark on that. don, raising a couple of sons myself, when they were 5, i wouldn't just drop them off anywhere. right? isn't that fishy to you? >> i just continue to be baffled when i see and hear these kind of activities. and i'm sure that the parents or the foster parents are grieving about whatever situation is going on right now. but look, you don't leave 5-year-olds standing out there any place. i still believe that child predators are the worst thing against little guys out there. you've got that to be concerned and just the evil people to be concerned. plus the fact the idea that the
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little guy could just wander off someplace. you've got a things and searching and so forth that the authorities as well as civilian help to help find this little guy can go through in those areas. >> real quick about hanci, jaxon. he could walk from the kind of braces he wore were a for short distances without the aid even, you know, he could do that. so but he does not believe that hasanni just walked away. that's what he said. >> brian, what do you make of this? again, as a father, you look at that and say wait a minute, you would walk the little guy to see his aunt who works at the shoe store. you're not just dropping him off. go ahead, brian. >> don is right. it could be a random opportunistic pedophile in the area. but it doesn't really -- it doesn't really feel like that
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kind of a case to me either. i want to know more about this family, mike. because we've got a foster father who's living with the aunt but then reportedly there's also a stepfather involved. the fact that the police have spent so many hours with this family indicates to me that they too are wondering if there might be a disgruntled family member somewhere who would have been out for an opportunity to pick this kid up. >> jaxon, are homicide detectives -- they're in on this case, right? right, one full-time homicide investigator was brought in. they say because they're short resources and that they needed a veteran set of eyes looking at this. >> don, do you read into that at all or manpower shortage, would that make sense? >> this manpower shortage you can find personnel from somewhere to help look for this little guy. that's what they've got to do. >> when we come back, we'll talk about the family situation that brian touched on. take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.
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1-877-tell-hln. welcome back to "prime praying and jail time in the u.s.? in florida the santa rosa county school district bans its employees from praying. i'm talking teachers can't even bow their heads at the lunch table and pray silently over a meal. new today a high school principal and athletic director facing criminal charges of contempt. their alleged crime? giving thanks for a meal at a luncheon in january. now, this is on school property but after hours and their lawyer says students were not there. they could face six months behind bars for a prayer. we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining me to talk about it, matt staver, attorney for the principal and athletic director. also with us, glenn caton for
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the aclu's religious freedom project. matt, let me start with you. how could it be criminal to pray in this case? >> well, that's the outrageous issue that we're facing in this case. and it's not the school that's banning. it's an order that's in effect that is approved by the court in this case. and it's so broad that it literally limits free speech in & any kind of religious activity including even assenting to someone else's religious activity after school on campus or even after school off campus. nine days after this order was entered into, the principal, frank white, and the athletic director, robert freeman, were hosting a luncheon to honor boosters who had contributed for an athletic fieldhouse. only a handful of school officials were there. the rest of them were private individuals from the community who had contributed as part of the booster's club and principal lay looked over to the athletic director and asked him if he would just simply bless the meal, which he did. very short, normal blessing of the meal. never in their wildest imagination would they imagine
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they would now be targets of criminal contempt which faces $5,000 in fines up to and up to six months in jail and possibly even losing their retirement benefits, one of them has worked for the school district for 30 years and other 40 years and now they're facing this unbelievable situation. >> let's bring in glen on this. do they deserve jail time for saying grace? that's what we're hearing here. >> the aclu certainly has never taken a position that anyone in this case deserves to be in jail. the federal judge herself is the one who initiated these contempt proceedings. and we're basically on the sidelines in terms of criminal contempt, but the important part of this that mr. staver hasn't mentioned and really hasn't been covered is the context in which this whole proceeding developed. there were pervasive and persistent problems in this school district with the principal, with school administrators forcing their religious beliefs on students and other faculty. in that context the attorney for the school district, mr. lay's
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attorney, and the attorneys for the aclu agreed on the entry of a preliminary injunction that the judge approved. and that preliminary injunction prevented the principal and others from using their official position to say prayers, you know, whoever it is that they believe in god, they shouldn't be praying and espousing those views in the context of school events. it was very simple. and it appears from the evidence that principal lay brazenly violated that by encouraging the athletic director to give a prayer in a school event that involved students and faculty who were present. >> now we've got to -- matt says there were no students there. you're saying there were students there. >> well, it's not just me. >> are we going to agree to disagree on that or what? >> there were no students there. this was not a student event. there were students making the meal in the cafeteria separate from this particular event. this was an event for adults. no school students were there. this was not for the school students. and in fact, it's the aclu after
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this preliminary injunction was entered that went to the court and they said that they believe that principal lay and the athletic director should be held in contempt. they are the ones who raised the contempt issue. and that's why we're here. and the aclu could clearly stop this thing if they really did not want to have people prosecuted for prayer. but i don't see them coming forth and filing documents saying this goes too far, this is not what we intended. they're the ones who broupt the contempt issue to the court. >> let's get a call in real quick. kelly's with us in north carolina. kelly your thoughts on this one? >> caller: i think this is absolutely ridiculous. i don't know what kind of civilization this world has come to where the fact that we cannot pray where we'd like to pray at, whether it's for a meal, whether it's for something to do with our families, our religious beliefs. whatever the case may be. i honestly believe that this world has gone downhill really quickly. if they're going to arrest these fellows for praying, you might as well come arrest me because i
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pray every day in public, in the hallways where i attend college. i mean everywhere. so you might as well just come on over here to north carolina and arrest me right along with them. i honestly believe someone needs to do something about this. this is ridiculous. >> kelly, thanks for the call. glenn, is the -- the agreement between -- does it go as far as someone cannot even bow their head to pray, say grace before a meal? a teacher couldn't do that in the cafeteria by themselves quietly? >> oh, certainly not. students and teachers can bow their head in their cafeteria, in their office, wherever they want to as a personal exercise. they are perfectly free to observe their religious beliefs. and we would defend their right to do that. what we're talking about are principals and teachers publicly using their official positions to advance their personal religious beliefs. and i'd like to say to kelly, your caller, people can pray, all of these people could pray in the hallways, in their offices, in the cafeteria. but what would you do, kelly, if
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your teacher prayed to a god who wasn't yours or who told you that there was no god? i expect you'd be upset by that, kelly, and you should be. >> clearly that's not an establishment of religion. and the aclu has gone way too far in this case. i think most people are outraged you would have jail time simply for a prayer over a meal. >> let's take a break. we'll take more of your phone calls.
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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. the show is about you and a lot of you want to comment on a principal and an athletic director possibly facing jail time for praying. here's some facebook comments. i want to aread one from terry writing this. "if you want to pray along or pray in your own way or not pray at all, there should be freedom of choice for everyone and a mutual respect." all right. heather weighing in on facebook as well writing this -- "praying at a public function and make people bow their heads and listen to prayer of any kind is forcing religion upon people." and we are also taking your
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phone calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. let's go to the phones. again, the show's about you making things go here. jay jay is with us in indiana. go ahead. >> caller: it's a travesty in this country when you can't have a prayer in a school with one of the administrators or a principal or a coach or athletic director. you know, that's the problem with our youth nowadays. they don't have god and prayer in church. if the kids had that more, maybe we wouldn't have the drive-by shootings and the drugs and the alcohol problems that we have with the youth today. >> got you. jj, thanks for your call. we have matt staber, a lawyer representing the principal and the athletic director. glenn katon is with us as well with the aclu, director of the religious freedom project. how about this? glenn, i read that the senior class president was not allowed to speak at the graduation ceremony because "she might say something religious." that sounds like a freedom of speech violation to me. what was the reasoning for that?
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>> i don't know why the school chose not to allow that student to speak, but in terms what a free speech violation it may have been, you had a student -- my understanding is the student was elected by -- in part by the school's faculty. and when you have -- which then makes the student a spokesperson on behalf of the faculty. when you have a hand-picked student to deliver a message, it's not free speech. what you did have at the graduation -- >> you're saying that the faculty was going to tell her what to say at the graduation? >> frankly, i don't know. i know that when the faculty in effect chooses the speaker, that that's not free speech. when you have the salutatorian and the valedictorian speak, which they did and if they're allowed to speak on whatever subject they want, including prayer, we absolutely would support that. >> yeah. >> that's true free speech. what happened with -- >> let me just say the quick point, this is the first time in 33 years the class president has not been allowed to speak at graduation ceremonies. matt, you want to weigh in on
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this one? we've got another call lined up. >> this was the student body president. for 33 years they've had the student body president speak for at the graduation. this year the aclu said she's christian, they didn't know what she was going to say. because of that threat from the aclu, the school after 33 years removed her from the entire platform. and in fact that's not true what glenn just said. i litigated against the aclu and liberty counsel defended another school district for 8 1/2 years where the policy was simply that a student could have a message of his or her choice secular or religious. the aclu's position wauz could say anything secular but the student on his or her own could not say anything religious. fortunately after 8 1/2 years he won that case against the aclu. what we have here is an attempt to cleanse religion from the students, faculty, the school district, which violates their right to do so. >> glenn, time's almost run out.
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>> i don't know what case mr. staber's referring to i wasn't involved in it. i do know he's only become recently involved in this case. he wasn't involved in it when all these events were taking place. but we've never told the school that they can or can't do anything. that's for the school to decide. >> that's not true. >> well, i mean, i was representing the plaintiff in this case at the time. the school decided that there was a potential establishment clause violation if a hand-picked student delivered a message. if a student is given true free speech, we absolutely support it. that's the bottom line. >> well, you didn't do that in adler versus duval county school board, and you didn't do it here -- >> guys -- >> and this just acrosses the line. >> i want to wrap up with this text. "i'm an atheist but jail time for prayer is a little extreme, don't you think?" i agree with that right there. thanks so much. matt, glenn, we appreciate it. good spirited debate there. now this. little haleigh cummings turned 6 years old today.
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little haleigh cummings. she's the little girl who disappeared more than six months ago from her home in satsuma, florida. today it's her sixth birthday. her family released balloons with flyers. so desperate to bring this precious little girl home and get any glimmer of hope. we know texas equup. search will help find little haleigh once again, hoping to look again within the next six to eight weeks. but what happens in the meantime? want to bring in my colleague, jane velez-mitchell host of "issues with jane velez-mitchell" coming up at the top of the hour less than 15
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minutes away. jane, this one's just baffling. we've been on this one for over six months now. and it's on a day like this, her sixth birthday, where we just stop and wonder what are our leads, where are we going next with this case? >> the story doesn't add up. as they say, something's fishy in denmark. vanished, has 2k3wi6given seve, enforcement and still they from her. so we have heard reports, published reports that she has not publicly refuted that she was doing drugs in the days leading up to little haleigh's disappearance. something has got to break with this young woman's story, and she's got to sort out the inconsistencies. and authorities, i think, need to put the pressure on to do that. we know that just a very short time ago, a couple of days ago, we were covering this story of
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the arrest of her husband, little haleigh's dad, ron cummings, and ron cummings certainly is not considered a suspect whatsoever. but at the time of the arrest the police report said that one of misty's relatives had claimed that he was not himself, saying words to the effect of "i don't know what he was on but he's not acting himself." so i think we need to really look at this couple. i have total compassion for what they've been through, but something ain't adding up. >> yep. and you were talking about where he basically mixed it up with misty's family. that's the way the story goes, right? he got into it. yeah, fisticuffs, got into it with misty's brother just outside the home. and ron said that misty's -- misty called because she wanted out. so obviously, there's tremendous, tremendous stress in that home. and we were all surprised, jane, if you want to backtrack even further, that they would get married in the first place. they get married after little haleigh goes missing. >> somebody disappears that you love on their watch, and you marry them?
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that doesn't make any sense to me. now, i'm not one to judge. he is a grieving father. although we hope that by some miracle little haleigh is alive, although of course that doesn't look very good now. but there's always that possibility. we certainly wouldn't want to close the door on that. but the idea that this child, this loved one disappears on this teenager's watch after she's been allegedly doing drugs for several days and then you marry her is incomprehensible. >> let's bring in t.j. hart, program news director wsky 97.3 fm there in gainesville. t.j., you've been on this one since day one, and we're still at square one when we talk about misty. misty's story still inconsistent. what are authorities saying about that, and how are they going to squeeze the truth out of her? >> well, they're very frustrated. right now she does have a lawyer. so unless she's, you know, charged with something or whatever, they've asked her to come in for more questioning and she's not going in at her lawyer's advice. but once again, there's some
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contention there that she wasn't even at the trailer at the time that the child disappeared. there are lots of conflicting stories, and the evidence doesn't quite add the evidence doesn't quite add up. it's a mess. at that point. once again, the biological parents, ron and christen, they were publicly cleared today by the sheriff's office. jane raised an issue. goes to "issues with jane velez-mitchell." a supposed reenactment was foezed to take place. they asked ron cummings, point girl? my daughter, a quote from
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him. >> your comments to that, jane? we're both saying it didn't make sense when they got married. is that a plausible explanation? >> it is. it's the only one that makes sense to me. she has the missing key. if he stays close to her, he will somehow solve the mystery. i think it's admirable on his part not to crack up talking to someone that might have the information about your daughter's where abouts. >> jane, christy cornwell, you're going to be on that one, too? >> another young woman, hiking in the area, was abducted, ended up dead. whey is this happening? >> more "prime news," stay with us.
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