mother accused of killing her only daughter, casey anthony, expected in court tomorrow. a slew of motions to discuss. clues on how the defense is building its case and a possible blow to casey anthony's dream team of lawyers. just released today, new photos of the crime scene. they could put to rest the defense's notion that caylee's body was planted after mom went to jail. we'll talk about that. this one makes me sick. a 17-year-old girl's picture, cell phone number, address, posted on craigslist in the casual encounter section looking for sex. she didn't put up the ad. police say a 40-year-old woman did to get revenge. way to go, lady.

now this teenager is the target for child predators out there. love hearing from you. number is 877-tell-hln. it's your chance to be heard. controversy, opinions, your point of view. this is "prime news." >> once again this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. urgent news that could be a huge blow to casey anthony's defense. the 23 year old sits in jail in orlando accused of first-degree murder in the death of her only daughter, little caylee. just released, new photos of the crime scene taken the month before caylee's body was found. all sign that searchers would have had a hard time finding caylee's body and looking less likely that someone could have planted caylee's body there. we'll take your calls.

877-tell-hln. joining us to talk about it, former u.s. attorney and also a representative from search. you are showing the foliage and it wouldn't be easy to find caylee, correct? go ahead, tim. >> i think it was next to impossible. there certainly was standing water that was covering anything and that's why i made the decisions that i made before that if caylee was deceased it would be a tiny skeleton over there and we wouldn't take a chance on a horse stepping on it or even a ground searcher and i still think it was the greatest

decision and wisest decisions i made in any searches because if that would have happened it would have pushed that body down in the mud and destroyed anything and it would still never be found. we searched everything. one of the big reasons the photo was taken before we did that search is we flew over every area we searched before and any area we had any interest in. that was an area we had a lot of interest in and law enforcement had a lot of interest in so we could compare those areas with what they looked like then compared to what they looked like when we searched the first time. i even made that statement. i think that we are too premature to combat that now because conditions weren't where we would like them to be. >> casey anthony's defense want you to testify, right, tim? >> they do want me to testify. you know, there's a hearing

tomorrow on that. it's not one in all honesty that i'm excited about testifying about. it's going to take up a lot of time. >> you'll answer the questions? >> certainly i'll answer the questions. >> let's bring in the former u.s. attorney. kendall, what's casey anthony's defense going here by getting tim miller out there and questioning tim and the search efforts for little caylee. >> obviously they hope would be the home run is some ability to argue that the area was searched after the time casey anthony was incarcerated and the body wasn't found and must have been planted there after the fact. if the area was covered in water, there's not much they can make about the fact that a search would not have disclosed the remains. don't be surprised if the defense continues to argue that the remains were in effect deposited there sometime after casey was available. that's what forensic experts

will be for. this wooded area will be the battleground for the innocence or guilt of casey anthony. >> let me stay with you, kendall. i hate to bring this up. this is so gruesome. we had reports that foliage was going through the skeletal remains of little caylee. doesn't that tell us that that body had been there all along? >> it's strongly suggested. you and i have seen what experts can do. because of duration of time the remains were there, in august it was reported and nothing was done but because of the length of time and the open questions and all of the defense needs to do is raise questions. their end game is reasonable doubt. in that instance, they'll find some issues to raise even though i got to say that some of the most recent disclosures are certainly not helpful to the defense. >> let's bring in drew. i want to ask you about this. then we'll get tim back in as well. today's press conference held by

texas equusearch. what do we know about that? >> toward the end of the press conference where the attorney was showing off these pictures and aerial photos taken of that location, george anthony stormed in and demanded that mark talk with him in another room. he went in there with george's attorney, brad conway. they talked for about 30 minutes. when they came out they seem to have settled whatever the problem was. it appears that somehow casey anthony's lawyer gave george some faulty information. he came in mad. it seemed at the end of that meeting that they had everything straightened out. >> drew, do you know what that bad info was? any idea? >> they would not speak about what that is. i guess you could ask mark about that. >> is mark with us? >> yes, i am. >> we were just talking about george anthony barging in on

today's press conference to talk directly to you. what did he want? >> you know, you have a grief stricken grandfather who has lost his granddaughter and apparently got a phone call from his daughter, casey anthony's attorney. he was just confused. we spent time with him and explained what was occurring and how his instructions had always been he wants to find out what happened to his granddaughter. wherever those roads might lead. once i shared with him what the photographs and some of the other information was suggesting, he became appreciative. it's tough and sad. i won't fault any grandparent in his position or any parent in his position. he had a misunderstanding and he acted on it and then listened. his attorney came in. after about a half an hour, i

think that he had a full understanding and we hugged each other and we moved forward. >> all right. >> i'm okay with it. it was startling of course. we're hoping that people do understand that these are not lessons you learn in school or anything. god help anybody that ever has to endure what he did. we're just being understanding of it and understanding is just part of a process that he's having to find himself going through. >> at the end of the day that's a great point. this is a grandfather who lost his beloved little caylee and his daughter accused in her murder.

on hln. keeping you updated on the latest developments in the casey anthony. she's accused of murdering her little girl, little caylee at the time 2 years old. these are photos coming to us from texas equusearch as they showed what they were dealing with as they tried to look for little caylee's remains. we're talking about foliage, standing water, these photos taken in november. we know little caylee's remains were found a month later in december. let's go to the phones. linda is with us in texas. your comment or question? >> caller: my question is this. okay. when caylee was first missing for the first 30 days and there was a smell in the car, i'm wondering if casey to her defense had ever mentioned that somebody else might have driven that car? >> linda, good question. to my knowledge the answer is no. it was only casey driving the car. kendall, we have followed this

one. do you have any knowledge of that one whether or not someone else drove the car in those 30 days? >> they have not made that allegation yet. you can expect that during a trial they would ask plenty of questions suggesting how do you know someone else didn't drive the car? an camp, how you just try to plant seeds of doubt out there. >> that's what you do. reasonable doubt. that's what they go for. i thought we would have heard something about that had someone else ridden in that vehicle. >> it's not been raised as far as i know. >> good call there. kendall, we have defense motions coming down the pike. they want delays the way i'm understanding it. how long can this thing are delayed? are these legitimate reasons for delays? what are you seeing? >> they're looking at hundreds and hundreds of pages of documents. in terms of what is legitimate, there are judges that could get this to trial in early 2010. not easy to do it.

we have a giant question still pending. where does this case get tried? i mean, she's already been tried and convicted in a court of public opinion in the orlando area. it's got to be moved somewhere else in my opinion. one of the suggestions has been down here in miami-dade. >> let's bring in drew. drew, what are you hearing about these delays? what's their beef? why do they want a delay and what's the earliest this trial could start? >> they just brought in a new death penalty qualified lawyer that will have to look at these document. the sheer amount of documents and research they have to do will require them to delay this at least until next year. so the whole question here is when will this fraud trial take place? before the murder trial or after? in florida the victim of the fraud trial has a right to a speedy trial trumped by the defendant's right to a speedy trial so there so many issues

for the judge to take into account tomorrow. he has to make a decision because if the fraud trial happens before the murder trial, lord only knows what can come out that will then be applied to her murder trial. it's a big decision tomorrow for the judge. >> kendall, 15 seconds, does the fraud trial happen before the murder trial? >> absolutely not. murder is so much more significant. >> we would think. all right. great conversation, guys. thanks so much. coming up, immature at the least. dangerous to say the least. a woman accused of posting a teenager's personal info on craigslist putting it under the casual encounter section on craigslist where people troll for section. the lady is 40. the girl is 17. the 40 year old did it for revenge. grow up. taking your calls 877-tell-hln.

this one is pretty sick. police say a 40-year-old woman posted a teenage girl's picture

on craigslist under the casual encounter section where people look for sex. it included personal info like missouri. to get back at her ex-husband. the teen is the ex-husband's girlfriend's daughter. all right. that kind of lays it out there. she got the girl lewd messages and photos from guys she didn't know. that's when she called the cops. thrasher faces challenges of felony harassment. we'll take your calls on this. joining to us talk about this, cooper, i'll start with you on this one. i can understand if she's got a beef with the ex-husband. or even the ex-husband's girlfriend but to go after the

17 year old? she's 40. what's going on here? >> i hate the fact that we're talking about this again. i can't believe this is a problem in our country right now. the research hasn't caught up to this yet. we understand bullying but the cyberbullying is a whole other area because it's one thing to bully someone one-on-one. when you put something out there on the internet and millions -- potentially millions of people could see these pictures, how is this not the same thing as a pedophile and someone that's putting out pictures of naked girls any way. we talked about a few weeks ago a 14 year old putting pictures of themselves getting in trouble. this 40 year old is a great example of female aggression. you may not see this aggression but this is a growing problem in our country. female aggression. here's another example. >> anita, cooper is making good points here. what kind of trouble should this 40 year old be in for this? she put the 17 year old in

dangerous position. ex-girlfriend. lashed out at her child. that's what's putting it in the felony category. the victim is 17. she's not an adult. is this felony conduct? absolutely. will she go to prison? no. she's probably going to get probation if she's convicted or she works out a plea bargain or maybe even a misdemeanor. as a felony. i think it's going to set the standard to say, hey, this is not a joke. this is serious. you can't take back what you did on the internet. if someone captures those images, this 17-year-old girl's image is out there. phone. experience. horrifying experience for traumatic for her. some girls at that age have very vulnerable personalities. some are resilient and some are not.

if this is one that's not resilient, this could damage her for a long time. the consequences need to be a lot more than just a little probation. this could be a long lasting effect on this little girl's life. >> i want to bring in perry. the woman's attorney said this was in bad taste, inappropriate, but not criminal. >> i think it's clearly criminal. as you know i also run the world's largest internet safety group. we've been dealing with cyberharassment since 1995. we've done a lot of research on the area. there's a federal felony that says if do you this to anyone 16 and under you go to jail under the federal laws. my guess is there are going to be child endangerment laws that apply federally. i'm sick and tired of adults that think it's okay to use the internet as a weapon to sexually harass minors. >> the woman and the teen's mom -- the ex-husband's

girlfriend is bicker back and forth. the teen gets in and tells ms. precipitated this. >> this lady ought to face child pornography laws like anyone else that would put child information -- what would happen if someone went to her workplace, kidnapped her, you know, she clearly put this girl in danger. >> let's face it. sick people troll some of these places looking for sex. let's take a quick break and we'll get more of your calls in. 877-tell-hln is the phone number. we'll talk about the punishment. it's a felony. a 17 year old has been put in danger but what realistically will happen to this 40-year-old woman? )d)d)d)d)d)d)d)d)d)d)d)d)@

welcome back to "prime news." a reality train wreck unfolds on tv. octomom nadya suleman lays out her chaotic life for the cameras. we'll talk about that in the next hour. now this -- this is just wrong. blowing pan am flight 103 out of the sky is now a free man. 189 americans were killed when the plane exploded over lockerbie, scotland. the terrorist who took their lives only served eight years of his sentence. ali mohmed al megrahi was convicted in 2001. he has terminal prostate cancer and only has three months to

live. scotland decided to release him on compassionate grounds and let him die at his home in libya. his plane landed a short time ago. this is video we're just getting in. this is disturbing. he gets a hero's welcome. there you see it. festive songs. t-shirts. his picture on it. couldn't even imagine. many of the families of the victims outraged. he gets mercy. what about the victims? we'll take your calls. 877-tell-hln. here to talk about this, let's welcome back kendall coffey and also with us kathleen flynn. her son died in the attack some 20 years ago. kathleen, this has to be a nightmare for you to see this man free today. >> it's more than that. it's also that we feel that scotland has betrayed us. this incredible compassionate release has thrown us for a

loop. we just cannot believe it. we're very saddened by it. angry frankly. >> kathleen, did you see this coming? >> absolutely not. in a million years i did not see this. my husband and i went to the entire trial. the original trial in tand we understood all of the legal issues. we watched the court for every single minute it was in session. and we saw the evidence unfold clearly this man was guilty. clearly. and to have one man in scotland who is the minister of justice, i guess they call him, and this man has the right to issue a

compassionate release for ali mohmed al megrahi. we are very upset. >> our heart breaks for you, kathleen. i'm sure you're we living some of the tragedy all over again to see this. kendall, i got to ask but this ruling. compassionate grounds. what do you make of it? >> it's a dark day for international justice. think of how much this undermines one nation's ability to have confidence in the legal system of another. especially at a time when more than ever we truly need global cooperation. this is something the united kingdom would do to us. one of our closest and most trusted allies has to raise troubling questions about our ability to let other countries address situations which involve our own citizens. >> i couldn't agree with you more, sir. that's exactly words i expressed this morning. >> kathleen, i have to ask you. i hate to ask you but as we see video of him getting the hero's welcome. >> we called it. we said that was our biggest

fear. we kept saying he will get a hero's welcome in libya when he returns. the symbolism today while this is going on was so poignant because here was this enormous white plane, this fabulous jet plane that was scooping him back to libya and the symbolism of that plane and our plane that he blew up was very, very strong. and to have him -- it was like a parade. it was like a victory parade. there were all of these cars following him to the airport and it was this grand exit from scotland. it was really very, very disturbing. >> kathleen, take us through your emotions these days. i hear anger in your voice. >> absolutely. sadness. anger. despair. you know, i don't think -- it goes back to an article that

appears today that i did an interview for and my quote was scotland has betrayed us. >> kendall, let's go back to the judge here on a legal front. the judge again saying mercy must be shown. compassion available so use it if available here. how does a judge answer the question what about compassion for the 270 victims? it was agreed upon internationally he was going to spend the rest of his life in jail. >> absolutely. his compassion is so dramatically misplaced away from the victims to the perpetrators one of the worst crimes you can imagine. people do die in prison under our system that's what's supposed to happen. that's what a life sentence means. >> that's right. >> you have taken away your right to ever walk out again under any circumstances. by the way, be mighty lucky you're not headed for the death sentence. that's what it's supposed to mean. for now at least in some parts

of the world one of our trusted allies life sentence doesn't mean what it says. >> right. >> kathleen, there was a statement released through al megrahi's lawyer. let's listen to that and we'll get your reaction. >> to those victims, they continue to have my sincere sympathy for the unimaginable loss that they have suffered. to those the only thing i can say is -- >> i don't know how you can stand it on a day like this just to hear that. >> it's almost ridiculousy simplistic. insu insulting. you take it from where it came. you said it was one of al megrahi's attorneys, right,

well, take it from one it came. if you're going to defend a man who has murdered 270 innocent people, then, you know, i'm not surprised you make those kind of statements. >> kathleen, our heart goes out to you on a day like this. we love your fighting spirit. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. bye-bye. >> coming up, we're going to follow up on a story we've been covering. a missing georgia woman. kristi cornwell. her boyfriend thinks she's alive. he speaks for the first time. we get to hear him talk about that last phone conversation. her father also talks about the dangers of the internet. we'll delve into that as well.

welcome back. new this hour, the family of a missing mom clinging to hope. kristi cornwell was abducted while taking a walk on a country road near her parents' home in

blairsville, georgia. it happened last week. cops say it is more likely she was kidnapped by a total stranger. yesterday the ground search for kristi ended but police, state authorities, fbi still chasing leads. she was talking to her boyfriend on her cell phone when she was taken. the last thing he heard her screaming saying "please don't take me." today he believes she's still alive. she's a fighter. her father spoke to abc's "good morning america." >> i would like to caution all young people and adults to use extreme caution when using the internet or any other media to meet people. christi's family is not certain yet who may be connected with her disappearance. some of us are operating under as little as average of one hour sleep her night to try to bring kristi home. >> feel for her father there. joining us now to update us on the situation is kristi's

cousin. keith, thank you for being with us. let me pick up there what kristi's father was talking about about being careful on the internet. what do you make of that? does the family believe that the internet might have had something to do with this? >> i don't think there's anything specific in that. it was just one of the possibilities that's out there that has been indicated and we all know that in this day in age. it was one of the faults that her dad had among many about what the possibilities are. >> what are police telling you right now? >> right now we haven't gotten any new news as of the last -- really today. a lot of folks as you mentioned a few moments ago are talking about scaling back the on the ground search and those kinds of things and those are basically the latest updates at this point. we haven't heard anything new beyond that today. >> okay. so again, kristi's cell phone was found two or three miles away from where she would have

been walking? >> about 3 1/2 from what is measured i think. >> and she could have been taken one way to tennessee and another way to north carolina, correct? >> correct. the cell phone was on a road that's a state route that leads north out of the area toward those two general areas. >> okay. let's listen to doug davis. that's kristi's boyfriend on nbc's "today" show talking about the last conversation and last words he heard. let's listen. >> i know her voice. i know it well. the tone that gave me the fullest confidence that she was being abducted. for a fact that this is an abduction. >> with that cell phone, they have the cell phone, authorities, they know of the conversation. keith, what clues are they getting out of that? do we know? >> you know, again, we can't really talk about any specifics. i'm not aware of a lot of the

specifics to be honest from that. we know that that did occur based on everything that the law enforcement confirmed from her cell phone records and all of those kinds of things and from douglas' comments. and the only thing it indicates as best we can tell from douglas' report of that is that it was an abduction and beyond that we don't really have many details. >> what's your belief, keith? do you think it's a stranger? do you think it was somebody she knew? the conversation on that phone call. my gut kind of tells me that it may be -- probably was a stranger. maybe a stranger who was familiar with her activities. you know, it's just tough to say. the investigators have indicated publicly several time they think it is someone familiar with the area based on the route they

took and those kinds of things and we are trusting their judgment in a lot of those things. and that seems to be what's indicated so far. >> keith, how is the family holding up? >> that's a tough question. we get that all the time. to be honest, as i said a number of times, it's really been a roller cove eer coaster. a shock to this happens to other people and not to you and your family. we know that's not true anymore and then the anger of the situation occurring. the sadness of missing kristi not being here with us. and then the exhaustion of the search, the exhaustion of working with you guys and we appreciate everything the media has done to try to help get the story out but it's exhausting try to do that. >> the question comes from a heart of concern for you, family a mom, a dad, a 15-year-old son. it's heartbreaking. we hope and pray for her safe return. thank you again. we appreciate the time. coming up, a heinous crime.

a man in a wheelchair ended up being tortured for three days. this poor guy here. we'll lay out details for you and try to answer the big question why? , why?

welcome back. have to warn you right off the bat, the details in this next story just horrific and down right graphic. a woman tortured this man, terry neely for three days. the guy was in a wheelchair and lived in an assisted living facility. he was found dead dumped in the trash. hard to believe anyone could be capable of this. we go to phoenix for the report. we warn you the report has graphic content.

>> reporter: it's a lack inside the apartment where police say terry neely was mutilated and tortured for three days all at the hands of 33-year-old angela simpson and then his body dumped inside this trash can and set on fire. did you know angela? >> yeah. i have known her for a long time. >> reporter: did you know she could do something like this. >> reporter: the apartment manager showed us a door where a witness spotted neely's wheelchair days after police found his body. we took a look inside and found the place a wreck. there was bleach on the countertop. you can see police have been through this abandoned apartment looking for fingerprints. we also found this garbage back here with ashes around it. police believe she may have tried to burn the body here. it was after police say simpson pulled out his teeth, hammered a three-inch nail into his brain, stabbed him 15 times and beat

him over the head with a tire iron and he forced to watch through a mirror and sliced his throat. police say she admitted it. >> she wanted to pee and a to p want aid candy bar and then she told us what happened. >> reporter: the victim would drive his motorized wheelchair through the neighborhood. he lived in this assisted care facility nearby. and investigators believe simpson thought the victim was a snitch working with law enforcement. >> prosecutor's office. >> she thought he was one? >> reporter: so she allegedly lured him inside with sex, then after three days of torture borrowed rainwater's car and dumped the body. >> i know she wasn't taking her meds like she was supposed to. >> reporter: what kind of medicine? >> psych meds. >> reporter: and police couldn't say if simpson had diagnosed psychological problems -- >> anybody that would do that to other human has mental issues. >> wow. that was marisa wingate, "prime news" affiliate ktvk, reporting. let's bring in luis zamudio with the phoenix police department.

also with us cooper lawrence, psychologist, author of the book "cult of celebrity." we'll try if we can to make some sense of this one. luis, sought reason is she thought he was a snitch? what's the root of that? >> that's just one of the many components of information that we received. that exactly quote i can't confirm for you, but i know there was some information that was received that she's saying that there was something that she was concerned with him. >> one report i read, that she had committed robbery with somebody else and maybe that was the root of it. can you talk about that? >> well, we have not -- to the best of my knowledge that has not been connected. we do know that she was arrested on a robbery. but we don't believe it's -- i can't confirm that it's been related. >> okay. we'll tack a quick break. if you have thoughts on this one, call in. 1-877-tell-hln. ñññoññ oo

this one's infuriating. a 17-year-old girl's picture, e-mail address, cell phone number posted on craigslist in the casual encounters section. a place where folks can look for sex. but she didn't put up the ad. police say a 40-year-old woman did. the 40-year-old wanted revenge. way to go, lady. now this teenager can be a target for child predators out there. always love hearing from you and taking your calls at 1-877-tell-hln. you can e-mail us. cnn.com/primenews. or text us at hlntv. just start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. >> controversy, opinion, your point of view. this is "prime news."

welcome once again. this is hour number two of "prime news." i'm mike galanos. new this hour, the family of a missing mom clinging to hope. kristi cornwell was abducted while walking on a country road. this is in rural blairsville, georgia. it happened last week. near her parents' house where she was walking. well, now cops say it's becoming more likely she was kidnapped by a total stranger. yesterday the ground saep for kristi ended, but police, state authorities, and the fbi still chasing leads here. kristi was talking to her boyfriend, we remember, on the cell phone when she was taken. the last thing she last thing he heard, she was screaming "dose don't take me." says she's a fi. let's also hear from her father. he spoke to abc's "good morning america," and he gave this warning. let's listen. >> i'd like to caution all young people and adults to use extreme caution when using the internet or any other media to meet

people. it's not certain yet who may be connected with her disappearance. of one hour sleep per night to try to bring kristi home. >> my heart goes out to that father, that family, a mom, a son, and a brother who joins us now. also joining us is michelle sigona from "america's most wanted." richard, i want to start with you. i want to pick up from where your dad left off there, giving us a warning about the internet. >> mm-hmm. >> is there anything specific there that ties the internet or kristi's computer use to this case? >> no, not really. of course, we've turned over her computer to the gbi for analysis, and that's only one angle that they're looking at. but of course they're looking at all communications that she's had. her e-mails, her text messages, her phone calls, her websites that she's visited. any communication that she's had

i'm sure via instant message or forums, et cetera, et cetera. so that's just one angle that they're looking at. we don't know at all if there was any connection with the internet. but it's one thing that my father is aware of, and he's aware of the danger involved with the internet. >> okay. michelle, anything to add to that as far as not only a possible internet connection but just the latest on the case and leads that authorities are going after? >> absolutely. well, today the command post at 3:00 was moved over to the sheriff's office. earlier they were also canvassing about a three-mile search from where kristi went missing out about three miles at that point. what will happen is as leads come in since the ground searches are not happening as often and as frequently as they were in the past as, you know, specific tips and specific information comes in

investigators will go out to the locations and re-search those areas. they will draw on their teams. they do still have a lot of support out there. >> richard, because we're looking at a three-state search here, right, richard? because if you look at the road where kristi -- she was taking and then her cell phone was found about 3 1/2 miles away on that road you could go one way to north carolina, another way to tennessee, right? >> that's right. or you could easily double back toward georgia. so it is -- it makes it a bit difficult for us if you continue on state route 325, you'll intersect state route 129, and from there, as you said, you can go into either tennessee, north carolina, or you can of course take a ride and stay in georgia. >> in georgia. richard, what do you think? we had mentioned it sounds like authorities believe it was a stranger. do you concur with that? do you think it was somebody she might have known? >> really, i'm relying on the gbi for that.

and they've not ruled out any possibilities. i had a briefing with them this morning with mike ayers. he and i are in constant communication via cell phone, and he actually stopped by the house a few hours ago, and we sat down and we had some -- we had some conversation. and they really haven't ruled out either scenario, a stranger or someone she knew. >> michelle, real quick, why are they pointing at a stranger, at least at this point? >> well, at this particular time, because evidently based on the phone conversation that she was on with her boyfriend and from what he overheard it seemed like there may possibly have been someone who abducted her that she didn't know, based on her reaction and her feelings on that. and i just want to mention that richard and his family -- i mean, we spoke with him earlier this week. and as you know, you have as well. and they're doing a tremendous job. if you go to kristicornwell.com, there's a lot of pictures, there's video, there's constant

information. they're making themselves available to the media. in addition, we are carrying this on our website at amw.com. we will have this on our show this weekend as well. so we're accepting leads for kristi's case. >> and we'll continue to follow it, as you'd mentioned. we're just praying for kristi's safe return. michelle, you had mentioned that phone call. let's listen to that. doug davis, her boyfriend, was on the nbc "today show" talking about those last words that he heard from kristi. let's give that a listen. >> i know her voice. i know it well. and the tone gave me the fullest confidence that she was being abducted, she was afraid. and i know for a fact this is an abduction. >> michelle, let's talk about that. pick up off that. that authorities have the phone. they know of the conversation. that has to be huge right now for them as they search for kristi. >> this is tremendous information, mike, and this is

tremendous because of the dialogue that went back and forth between douglas and between kristi. and if he also heard other bits of information. i understand why investigators, why mike ayers and john bankhead and all the other investigators that have been working very hard on this case, why they wouldn't release that dialogue and why douglas wouldn't want to go into depth as to exactly what he heard, because those are really key points. and as tips start coming forward and people come forward with information, they need to be able to sift through these things pretty quickly and zoom in on something and say you know what, that's a good bit of information we haven't come forward with, we need to move on that fairly quickly, as opposed to okay, we can move to that one tomorrow, maybe we can move on that one the day after. >> got you. richard, in the interview doug also mentioned what a precious woman kristi is and mentioned how strong of a faith she has and that she's a fighter. is that the basis for your hope right now? >> that's right. we see the fact that nothing was

found within -- or she wasn't found within the canvass ground search in the area, we feel positive that she's still out there somewhere, and we're actually comforted by the fact that nothing was found in this immediate vicinity because most likely that would have been a bad scenario. so we're still hopeful that she's out there somewhere and maybe in another state somewhere, could be in a vehicle, could be in a home, and she could be -- she could be well. and that's all we're holding on to. and we'll continue to do so. >> do that. richard, our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. thank you again, michelle. thank you for the update. coming up, a story of a 40-year-old woman seeking revenge on a 17-year-old and doing it online.

this one's pretty sick. police say a 40-year-old woman posted a teenage girl's picture on craigslist. under the casual encounters section, where people look for like s lives. cops say she did this to get back at her ex-husband. the teen is the ex-husband's girlfriend's daughter. the girl got lewd messages and feteos from guys she didn't even know. that's when she called the cops. now, thrasher faces charges of felony harassment. we'll take your calls on this. and joining us to talk about it, perry aftab, privacy and

cybersecurity lawyer. anita kay. cooper lawrence, joining us, psychologist and also author of the book "the cult of celebrity." cooper, i'll start with you on this one. i can understand if she's got a beef with the ex-husband. or even the ex-husband's girlfriend. but to go after the 17-year-old and she's 40? what's going on here? >> i hate the fact that we're talking about this again. i can't believe -- >> again, i know. >> -- this is a problem in our country right now. but the research hasn't caught up to this yet. we understand bullying but the cyberbullying is a whole other area because it's one thing to just bully someone one on one. when you put something out there on the internet and millions -- potentially millions of people could see these pictures, how is this not the same thing as a pedophile, as somebody that's putting out pictures of naked girls anyway? we talked about it just a few weeks ago that there was a 14-year-old putting up pictures of themselves and they were getting in trouble. this 40-year-old, this is a great example of female aggression. you might not see this aggression, but this is a growing problem in our country, female aggression. and here's another example.

>> it sure is. anita kaye, cooper's making some great points here. what kind of trouble should this 40-year-old be in for this? because she put the 17-year-old in a dangerous situation. >> oh, absolutely. 17-year-old, she didn't at the ex-husband's ex-girlfriend. she lashed out at her child. and that's what's putting it in the felony category, because the victim is 17. she's not an adult. is this felony conduct? absolutely. is she going to go to prison? no. she's probably going to get probation if she's convicted or if she works out a plea bargain the first time under this hey, you a joke, this is serious. and you can't take back what you did on the internet. if someone captures those images, this 17-year-old girl's image is out there. >> it is out there. and think of what she got in return, cooper. she received calls, e-mails, pornographic photos sent to her

horrifying experience for a 17-year-old. >> this could be very traumatic for her. some girls at that age have very vulnerable personalities. some of them are very resilient, and some of them are not. and if this is one of those girls who are not res'll yebt this could damage her for a long time and the consequences need to be a lot more than just aw little probation because this could be a long-lasting effect on this little girl's life. >> it shurz seems like it. i want to bring in perry aftab. the woman's attorney says this was in bad taste, inappropriate, but not criminal. >> i think it's clearly criminal, mike. as you know, i also run the world's largest internet safety group. we've been dealing with cyberharassment since 1995. so we've done a lot of research on the area. there is a federal felony that says that if you do this to anyone 16 and under you go to jail under the federal laws. and my guess is there are going to be child endangerment laws on cybersexual exploitation that apply federally. i think this woman should spend some time in jail, and i'm frankly sick and tired of adults

who think it's okay to use the internet as a weapon to sexually harass minors. >> and the way the story goes is that the woman and the teen's mom -- so the ex-husband's girlfriend, they're bickering back and forth. the teen gets in and basically tells miss thrasher, the 40-year-old, to grow up. that's what precipitated this lady, she ought to face child pornography laws just like anybody else that would put child information -- what would happen if somebody would have went to her workplace, kidnapped her? you know, she clearly put this girl in danger. >> let's face it. some pretty sick people troll some of these places looking for sex. guys, let's take a quick break on this one. we'll get some more of your calls in. 1-877-tell-hln is the phone number. we'll talk further about the punishment. yes, it's a felony, yes a 17-year-old's been put in

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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. a 40-year-old woman facing felony cyberbullying charges because basically she went after a 17-year-old looking for revenge. this is her ex-husband's girlfriend's daughter. it's like come on, you're 40 and you're going to mix it up with a 17-year-old online and put the 17-year-old in a dangerous situation? we're taking your calls. 1-877-tell-hln. debbie's with us in pennsylvania. hi, debbie, your thoughts here? >> caller: hi, mike. >> hey, debbie. >> caller: i was just curious on -- i know state to state laws are different. but why can't they go after her for like profile stalking and deliberately and willingly putting the jeopardy of a minor at risk? where they got her personal information. that's a form of theft i.d. why do they not just instead of

going after one thing -- i have four girls. if this was one of my children, i'd be in court filing every charge i possibly could. >> debbie, doesn't this scare you, debbie? this kind of stuff when you have four girls. >> caller: four girls from 23 down to 16. i've tried to teach them to be very smart but when you've got adults that are acting like children it's ridiculous. children have children's battles. adults have adults. they should be separated. >> great job, debbie. let's get back to the original point. anita, what are you seeing here? perry had mentioned child endangerment. what other charges could be thrown at this lady? >> well, the child endangerment i don't necessarily see going down that path. they're going to keep it to the harassment. they're going to keep it to the cyberbullying, which actually makes it a tighter case when you only have one charge because you can really focus on that. now, the i.d. fact that debbie mentioned, the caller, is interesting. that we'd have to learn how she came about this information. that could be interesting. but what they really want to focus on here because it's the first time they're charging

someone with this as a felony they really want to focus on this. while she could get state prison i don't think that's likely, especially if she doesn't have a criminal background. so then you're looking at jail with probation or some other types of things such as not having a computer ever again, not being allowed to be on the internet, things like that, restrictions. >> that's what i'm looking at here. four years state prison possibly, up to a year in county jail, $5,000 fine. real quick, perry, what do you think? do you agree with anita when we're talking about punishment here? >> i really don't. i think there are some federal charges that can be brought and i think she needs to serve some time. i also would love to get debbie, that mom who called in, to join my wired moms network. follow me on twitter, deb, because i need your help. but this has to stop and it has to stop now. >> yeah. cooper, i want to give -- debbie really a gold mine for us as a caller. the second point she made about adults acting like kids. hit on that for us, cooper. not only that, a 40-year-old acting like a kid, but the female aggression. what's going on here?

>> we still live in a culture we look at women that are doing things that are aggressive, we go she'll grow out of it. or it's a woman, we don't take it seriously. but a good percentage of -- 14% actually of violent offenders right now are women. so we don't look at it seriously anymore. there are early warning signs. there's a link between low incomes and low intelligence and aggression. in any other culture you would look at it and say my kid needs help, let me take them to a therapist, let me see what i can do. but if you don't value therapy and you don't recognize the warning signs, these things go undiagnosed and untreated and then you get to the point that you're 40 years old and you're putting a 17-year-old's information on a website. >> yeah. and putting her at great risk there. all right, guys, we have to leave it there. anita, perry, cooper, thanks so much. coming up, a world champion track star being tested not for doping but people want to know whether or not she's a man or a woman. )$)$)$)$)$)$)$)$)$)$)$)$)b

welcome back to "prime news." a reality train wreck unfolds on tv. octomom nadya suleman, again single mom, 14 kids, lays out her chaotic life for the cameras. we'll talk about that in the next hour. now this. and this is just wrong. the guy responsible for killing 270 people by blowing pan-am flight 103 out of the sky is now a free man. 189 americans were killed when the plane exploded over lockerbie, scotland. this four days before christmas, 1988. and the terrorists who took their lives only serve eight years of a sentence. abdelbeset al megrahi was convicted in 2001.

he has terminal prostate cancer and only has three months to live, so scotland decided to release him on compassionate grounds, let him die in his home in libya. his plane landed a short time ago. this is video we're just getting in. and this is disturbing, that he gets a hero's welcome. there you see it. festive songs, t-shirts, his picture on it. couldn't even imagine. many of the families of the victims outraged. he gets mercy. what about the victims? we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln's the number. here to talk about this, let's welcome back kendall coffey, former u.s. attorney. also with us, kathleen flynn. her son died in the attack some 20 years ago. kathleen, this has to be a nightmare for you, to see this man free today. >> well, actually, it's more than that. it's also that we feel that scotland has betrayed us. you know, this incredible compassionate release has just

absolutely thrown us, you know, for a loop. we just cannot believe it. and we're very saddened by it and angry, frankly. kathleen, did you see this coming? >> absolutely not. in a million years i did not see this. my husband and i went to the entire trial, the original trial in camp zeist in the netherlands. we waent to all of the appeals in scottland, the last one in edinburgh just this past year. so we have attended -- we understood all of the legal issues. we watched the court for every single minute it was in session. and you know, we saw the evidence unfold. clearly this man was guilty. clearly. and to have one man in scotland, mccaskill, you know, minister mccass kyl, who is the minister of justice? i guess they call him. and this man has the right to

issue a compassionate release for abdelbeset al megrahi. it's unconscionable and we are very upset. >> our heart breaks for you. >> thank you. >> i'm sure you're reliving some of the tragedy all over again to see this. kendall, i've got to ask you about this ruling. compassionate grounds. what do you make of it? >> it is a dark day for international justice. think of how much this undermines one nation's ability to have confidence in the legal system of another. especially, mike, at a time when more than ever we truly need global cooperation. if this is something the united kingdom would do to us, one of our closest and most trusted allies, it's really got to raise very troubling questions about our ability to let other countries address situations which involve our own citizens. >> i couldn't agree with you more, sir. that's exactly words i expressed this morning. >> kathleen, i hate to -- i have to ask you. i hate to ask you, but as we see the video of him getting the hero's welcome, it's just -- >> we called it.

we said that that was our biggest fear. we kept saying he will get a hero's welcome in libya when he returns. and we -- the symbolism today, while this was going on, was so poignant because here was this enormous white plane, this fabulous jet plane, that was scooping him back to libya, and the symbolism of that plane and our plane, that he blew up, was very, very strong. and now -- and to have him -- it was like a parade. it was like a victory parade. i mean, there were all these cars following him to the airport, and it was this grandiose exit from scotland. it was really very, very disturbing. >> kathleen, take us through your emotions this day. i mean, i'm hearing anger in your voice -- >> absolutely. sadness. anger. despair. i think -- you know, iust -- i don't think -- it comes back to an article that appeared today

that i did an interview for, and my quote was "scotland has betrayed us." >> kendall, let's go back to the judge here on a legal front. the judge, again, saying mercy must be shown, compassionate available, so use it if available here. how does the judge answer the question what about compassion for the 270 victims? it was agreed upon internationally he was going to spend the rest of his life in jail. >> well, absolutely. it's unfathomable that his compassion would be so dramatically misplaced away from the victims to the perpetrator of one of the worst crimes you could imagine. and consider this -- people do die in prison. under our system that's what's supposed to happen. that's what a life sentence means. >> that's right. >> you have taken away your right to ever walk out again under any circumstances. and by the way, be mighty lucky you're not heading for the death sentence. but that's what it's supposed to mean. and now at least in some parts

of the world one of our trusted allies, life sentence doesn't mean what it says. >> right. >> kathleen, there was a statement release d through megrahi's lawyer. let's listen to that, and then we'll get your reaction. >> to those victims that can bear to hear me say this, they continue to have my sincere sympathy for the unimaginable loss that they have suffered. to those who bear me ill will, the only thing i can say is that i do not return that to you. >> i don't know how you can stand it on a day like this, kathleen, just to hear that. >> it's almost ridiculously, you know, simplistic. and you know, it's insulting in a way. that anyone would actually say that to someone -- to a family member on a day like this. so, i mean, you just take it from whence it came. and i mean, i think you said it was megrahi's -- one of megrahi's attorneys, right?

>> yeah. >> take it from whence it came. if you're going to defend a man, you know, who has murdered 270 innocent people, then you know, i'm not surprised you make those kind of statements. >> well, kathleen, our heart goes out to you on a day like this. we love your fighting spirit. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. bye-bye. >> kendall, you as well. all right. this next story extremely disturbing. police say a woman confessed to killing the man we just showed you. the guy disabled, living in an assisted living facility. yet she tortured him for three days before his death. we want to know why.

welcome back. i have to warn you right off the bat, the details in this next story are just horrific. downright graphic. police say a woman tortured this man, terry neely, for three days. the guy was in a wheelchair living in a nearby assisted

living facility. he was found dead, dumped in the trash. it is a crime so brutal it's hard to believe anyone could be capable of it. here's marisa wingate, reporter for "prime news" affiliate ktvk in phoenix. again we have to warn you this report has some very graphic content. >> the carpet was pulled up. >> reporter: it's a look inside the apartment where police say terry neely was mutilated and tortured for three days. all at the hands of 33-year-old angela simpson. then his body dumped inside this trash can and set on fire. >> did you know angela? >> yeah. i've known her for a long time. >> did you know she could do something like this? >> never. >> reporter: bill rainwater is the apartment manager. >> just point out, show us where it happened. >> reporter: rainwater showed us the door where police say a witness spotted neely's wheelchair days after police found his body. so we took a look inside and found the place a wreck. there was bleach on the countertop. you can see police have been all

throughout this abandoned apartment looking for fingerprints. we also found this garbage bag here with ashes all around it. police believe she may have actually tried to burn the body here. but that was after police say simpson pulled out his teeth, hammered a three-inch nail into his brain, stabbed him up to 50 times, and beat him over the head with a tire iron. we're told she forced him to watch through a mirror, dismembered him, and ultimately sliced his throat. police say she admitted it. >> she wanted to pee, and she wanted a candy bar. and then she would tell us what happened. >> reporter: the victim would drive his motorized wheelchair through the neighborhood. he lived in this assisted care facility nearby. and investigators believe simpson thought the victim was a snitch working with law enforcement. >> prosecutor's office. >> she thought he was one? >> reporter: so she allegedly lured him inside with sex. then after three days of torture borrowed rainwater's car and dumped the body. >> i know she wasn't taking her meds like she was supposed to. >> what kind of medicine? >> psych meds.

>> reporter: and while police couldn't say if simpson had diagnosed psychological problems -- >> to anybody that would do that to another human has mental issues. >> all right. i just want to let you know that we did speak to the phoenix police department. investigators say they were surprised by the nonchalant demeanor shown by simpson when she gave her confession. it was talked about in that report there. and they say they're investigating possible involvement by others in the murder but they're pretty confident that most of the heinous acts were committed by simpson. that's unbelievable. all right. now this. a new tv special, inside the chaotic world of the octomom. it was on for a couple of hours last night. the unseen footage. the quarrels. the babies screaming. temper tantrums. here we go. this can't be good, to exploit the kids like this on tv. and we're also going to look at who watched this thing. what kind of ratings did it get? are you octomom-ed out? call in, 1-877-tell-hln. shannon is.

all right. here we go. inside the chaotic world of the octomom. nadya suleman. just listening to this video just for a few seconds, you get a flavor for it. eight babies. 14 kids. you expect that. and that's 24/7. nadya suleman and her 14 children featured in a two-hour special on fox last night called "octomom: the incredible unseen footage." one thing's clear. there's no way she was thinking ahead when she decided to implant multiple embryos when she already had six kids. here's a clip. >> -- for them and how myself. i see my older kids and how their -- and i resent myself. >> so honestly, what you're telling me is you honestly did not think about the future? >> i never -- i thought about in

that moment saving those embryos, maybe one will grow. >> all right. there you have it. if you'd like. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. i want to bring in my colleague. jane velez-mitchell, host of "issues with jane velez-mitchell" coming your way 13 minutes from now, top of the hour. also joining us, defense attorney midwin charles. jane, what do you make of the show? couple hours, not great ratings. 4.2 million viewers. so i don't think that's what they expected over there at fox. what are your thoughts on it? >> well, i have come full circle. i have now decided that showing all of this is a wonderful cautionary tale to americans who are thinking of having lots and lots and lots of children. because we have as a society glamorized and romanticized the idea of cheaper by the dozen. and that, what we saw there on that videotape a second ago, is the reality. it's nothing like the romanticized version. it's chaos. it's screaming children. it's children competing with

each other for mother's attention. we are -- this is something that our society needs to look at. mike, there are millions of children around the world who are orphaned, who are suffering from malnutrition, who desperately need a home. and if you love kids that much, nadya, why didn't you help out? one of those kids is already on this planet. instead of having 14 of your own that you have no way of providing for except by putting them on television. so i really feel that it's a nightmare for the kids. and i have tremendous compassion for these children. but i think it is a cautionary tale, and we all need to take a good hard look at this trend in society. >> hey, midwin, do you see exploitation of the kids? as this thing unfolded. >> clearly there's exploitation of the kids, but as jane rightfully pointed out how else is she going to support herself and these 14 kids? look, at the end of the day as much compassion as you can feel for her and the children the

most important thing is we all hope that those children are getting the care that they need, the psychological help, food, clothing, shelter, and that they're being raised in a loving home. and i'm sorry, when you look at that footage, i don't see how that can be possible. >> no. come on, she had her hands full with six. and the older children, you had the special needs child as well. now 14, it's unfathomable here. and you talked about legal ramifications. jane, she's in court today, right? she wanted to get a lawsuit thrown out that was seeking to appoint a guardian over the children's finances. any idea where that stands? >> apparently, they're in court as we speak on the west coast. and this was an effort by an organization called a minor consideration, which looks out for kids who are in reality tv, in regular tv, in movies. and it's based on jackie cooingn. he was the famous child star a long time ago who was left destitute because he was essentially robbed by the adults who were supposed to be looking

out for him. this is an old hollywood story. it happens over and over again. if i had a nickel for every child star who's penniless out in hollywood. and so let's hope hope that the get something out of this financially so at least they can go to college, at least they have some security, given the price that they are paying. >> yeah, exactly. this video is going to be around for them to see, and it could cause some scarring and it could cause some wounds for these kids down the road. midwin, when you talk about that, a guardian to look over the kids' finances, what's the likelihood it's going to happen with mom so much against it? >> it depends. basically, you have to look at whether or not she is currently mismanaging any funds she has access to. you can necessarily just go in and automatically assume she's inept at doing that. there has to be a showing with, you have to look and see what's going on with the finances. it's not an easy slam dunk, that's for sure. >> let me read a facebook comment. this is from melinda writing, i don't see how child protective

services has gotten involved. she can't control the kids. what will happen when the other eight begin walking? >> that's absolutely true. a very good point. children don't just need food and water, they need their mother's attention. and even three kids can have single rivalry, vying for their mother's attention. imagine 14 kids all vying to get eye contact with mom, especially when mom is that mom. >> yeah, exactly. and midwin, child protective services, are they watching this? could they dive in now? >> i'm sure they are watching and really taking note. because anyone looking at this tape can see, it's a disaster. it's chaos. it doesn't look like the kind of setting that is opportune for children to be raised in. and oftentimes, that's when child services steps in. >> jane, great to have you aboard. we'll be watching "issues" coming up.