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for once, an emotional casey anthony, accused of murdering her only child. tears welled up as her dad took the stand. a bombshell in today's hearing. casey's defense says there is substantial evidence that someone planted little caylee's body while mom was locked up. a warrant is out for the arrest of a man accused of killing and dismembering his ex-wife, former swimsuit model. the details gruesome. her family says this guy is an animal and must be stopped.
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we take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. you can text us at hlntv. start your message with the word prime. controversy, opinions, your point of view. this is prime news. >> welcome this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. a raid this afternoon at mikey fine pharmacy in beverly hills. the king of pop did business at the place for years, it was used extensively by dr. arnold klein and other doctors who treated michael jackson. something fishy going on there. take your calls 1-877-tell-hln. joining us to talk about it, an bremner, attorney, jim moret, chief correspondent, attorney and cnn anchor. alan duke is in the pharmacy.
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he is a producer for cnn, our sister network. alan, what is going on? >> i'm about ten feet away from where the dea agents are behind the pharmaceutical counter. i'm sitting at the lunch counter. this is micky fine's pharmacy and grill. i'm taking advantage of the grill so i can watch the dea and other law enforcement agents ask questions and search. they've been here for a couple of hours luking through files, in fact, making copies of the pharmaceutical licenses, the pharmacists, talking with them. this is not a complete surprise. this pharmacy is located directly below the offices of dr. arnold klein, the close friend and dermatologist of michael jackson this is a building where michael jackson frequently visited as recently as three days before his death.
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we also -- this was not a surprise because we had been tipped off a pharmacy, we didn't know which, would be searched. >> any line on what they are looking for? >> no. this is not their first search. they searched in las vegas. this is the first pharmacy we know they have searched. to my knowledge, they are looking for records of pharmaceutical transactions, quite obviously, those linked to their michael jackson investigation. >> got you. jim moret, let's give the folks some context. is this the pharmacy where michael jackson owed $100,000? >> yes. the pharmacy filed a suit saying michael jackson owed $100,000 for nonpayment of various drugs. how could you accumulate that amount? that was resolved. this is the same pharmacy and as alan said, the cnn producer, it is right below dr. klein's
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office, where presumably dr. klein's prescriptions would have been filled and perhaps other prescriptions for michael jackson would have been filled. this is the dea. don't forget this is separate from the coroner investigation even though they are related to michael jackson and the drugs he was taking and how he died. they are trying to put the pieces together, aliases used, illegal dispensing, how much was given in a certain period of time. they have quite a bit to look through. >> ann, so when we talk about dr. murray and searches, we want to zone in on propofol. we are talking about illegal distribution of drugs, right? >> exactly. the thing about this is, like jim said and jim is right over all of this all of the time, the fact is you got this pharmacy where we are hearing about
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$40,000, $50,000 in a month or a sort period of time prescribing to michael jackson. they are dispensing. they have restrictions that the dea is looking at. you should know if he is taking 40 xanax night or injecting himself with demarol. >> would we see dr. murray's name linked to this pharmacy? >> it's possible. if dr. murray dispensed propofol and got it himself, it is doubtful he would get it from this pharmacy. his offices were not based in beverly hills. >> got you. it is dr. klein. alan duke is inside the pharmacy. have you seen dr. klein today, alan? >> no. no. that is no surprise at all. just two days ago the coroner's
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chief investigator was here executing a subpoena for more information and documents. dr. klein did not meet with that investigator. instead he had two of his attorneys meet with him. we have not seen dr. klein today. we do not know if he is in the building although his office is directly above me. >> when we talk of dr. klein what are investigators focusing on him? >> in terms of overprescribing to michael jackson. remember, back at the time of the search warrants in '03 at neverland there was information about aliases, overprescribing, et cetera, found in the search warrant raids and the records. so dr. klein has been a focus of a lot of this. how interesting that it is so convenient that he is right there at the pharmacy. of course, those numbers in terms of money alone are staggering and would raise suspicion. >> jim, we have dr. klein, this pharmacy below his office, we talked about dr. murray and his
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clinic, the pharmacy he used, his house being raided. what is next, jim? will other pharmacies be raided? >> it's possible. it depends on what other pharmacies michael jackson may have used to get medication. they know of this one and are probably looking for others as well. you know, just to be very clear, dr. klein has not been named as a suspect. dr. murray has in the search warrants presented so far. they have been looking for evidence of manslaughter with respect to dr. murray. he is the only doctor named in the search warrant, not dr. klein. the state attorney general is looking into this justs they did in the anna nicole case, in the months leading up to his death to see if there is medication overprescribed. >> alan, thanks, coming to us from inside the pharmacy. coming up, the latest with casey anthony in court today and for
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>> welcome back. major day in court for casey anthony, accused of killing her 2-year-old caylee. as dad george took the stand. they haven't seen each other. jail has taken its toll on casey. she looked rough. where is her defense going? her lawyers say they have significant evidence that caylee's body was planted, moved
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to where caylee's remains were found while casey was behind bars. 1-877-tell-hln. netisha lance, an bremner and dan hill, a facial coding body language expert as we look at casey. we will do that. first, let's start with the defense. what are they going for here? they are trying to say body moved while casey is in jail? >> that's right. the defense is saying they have significant sufficient evidence that proves casey anthony is innocent and caylee's body was placed there when casey anthony was behind bars. what this does not touch on is investigators have said her body was placed there june 18th. far before casey anthony was was first put behind bars
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significant growth in and around the remains shows they had been there for months. >> ann, are they grasping for straws here or is this a theory that could play in court? >> in some ways it sounds like they are grasping for straws. they need to show reasonable doubt f. they can show she was in jail at the time the body was there they are going have to get these witnesses from equisearch to say we looked and didn't find the body. it is a death penalty case. they need not be unanimous in florida the only state to give death. this is a really, really tough case for them. >> pam, you are a prosecutor here. how are you doubling back over the top of this theory they are coming with? >> i don't think they are going to go anywhere with it. i think they are grasping at
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straws. that's all they have. without trying to be very graphic, what the scientists are going to say they had anthropologists was that her body was separated by animals before decomposition. they could tell that by the groupings of the bone clusers and where they were found. that meant her body had been there for some time also. the botanist, i have read all of his reports, the root growth was so extensive, it had grown through her bones, through the plastic bag and they went back and re-created that in a lab to tell how long it took for those plants to grow. it had been a significant amount of time her little body had been there. i don't think they are going anywhere with that theory. >> it is tough. we need the facts. >> i'm sorry. >> no. that is what we are dealing with. it is brutal.
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netisha, let's break it down. they want texas equsearch, they are going to go to them and said if you did a thorough search you would have found the body. equisearch. this is the area we searched. it was undercover by water. the defense is saying your searchers didn't find a body at that time which means the body wasn't there. >> ann, don't you think that is enough between what pam described and the plant growth around the remains and the challenges texas equisearch had. don't you think this theory is not going anywhere? >> i do. they will still have the hearing, they want the witnesses to be interviewed, potentially testified. the other thing is getting witnesses out of state.
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they are trying everything they can because the stakes are so high. what graphic, horrible details. >> a call in. becky from utah. your thoughts here. >> yes. >> go ahead, becky. >> i was wondering why all this time she's been in jail and even before why didn't they bring all this up to everybody's knowledge of them thinking that they were planted there? >> i think, anna, you can help me out. they have been building their theory in the defense. >> your caller raises an excellent point n. a criminal case the defense files motions as they learn about the evidence and develop it. they need to think about something in the defense and bring it forth to a judge. it is coming up now procedurally as we get closer to the trial
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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. big day in court for casey anthony. we are taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. there is casey anthony entering the courtroom, shakes hands with lawyers, not even a glance at mom and dad. let's bring in dan hill, facial coding, body language experts. do you see her coached. she looks to be her cold self? >> i have to disagree. this is a complete role reversal from the woman i saw months ago. back then she was in denial, out of touch with her emotions.
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from the moment she comes in the court, her eyes are down, her head is down, sign of sadness, her chin is quavering, her eyebrow is up in fear. it is not when she comes to tears, she is near tears and battling it the whole time. >> i didn't see emotion out of the gate. then her father takes the stand, george anthony, he is talking about leonard padilla and the role with the family. and we see emotion. dan, yo see this as genuine? >> i do, actually. before she was really disconnected. the lack of genuine emotion is from the parents. that is a role reversal. before they were coming into court, they were smiling, very artificial smiles. the mother says she in after peace. she was showing contempt, sadness and fear. the parents are less authentic. i think the gravity of the situation has come home to her,
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cindy that is. >> pam bondy, if you are defending casey anthony this is a good thing. you want to show her as human. if she is going to well up with a few tears isn't that a good thing? >> that is a good thing for the defense. i'm with you and i'm far from a body language expert. what i saw i did not see tears coming down her eyes yet i saw her dabbing them with a tissue to make it appear as if she was crying. that may have been staged. i think she was more emotional than we've seen her thus far. there are more experienced defense attorneys. >> do you think lawyers are saying, let the emotions go. it would be good for you? >> i always agree with pam. she is an excellent prosecutor. you have been the ice queen. you're the one who only thinks of yourself. they dressed her for court no
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longer the hot body contest pictures. if you show emotion, it always helps. >> she looked like someone who is facing a murder trial. the roughest she has looked, right, it has taken its toll? >> absolutely. it reminds me when o.j. simpson was being arraigned. his lawyers were smirking at the judge. o.j. knew she was cooked. she looks like someone who knows she is in serious trouble. >> one piece of video, we show her exiting and that's where she gives mom and dad next to nothing as far as an acknowledgement. we'll talk about that and also a boyfriend, tony lazaro, they want his phone records. why? we'll delve into that. 8-d-d-d-d
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welcome back. an international manhunt is on for a reality tv star accused in the brute aal murder of jasmine fiore. here is their wedding from tmz. months later her body found in a suitcase stuffed in a dumpster. he went to such gruesome extremes he removed her teeth and fingers. she was identified by her serial number of his breast implants. his boat found in washington
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state near the border. there is a $25,000 reward for information leading to his arrest. could somebody be helping him? this is a family friend of the victim speaking at a news conference. >> this message goes out to the family, his mother and father and to the friends that are helping him try to leave this country. ryan jenkins is an animal. what he has done to jasmine is unspeakable. it's just not right. >> joining me now to talk about this, robin sacks, former l.a. county deputy district attorney and stacy kaiser, steve rogers, detective for the nuttily, new jersey, police department. steve, how are authorities going to track this guy down? >> they are going to do a lot of interviewing to find out who he has been in touch with.
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they can trail his money. he needs that money as a resource to evade police. they are doing a lot of footwork. >> can they cut off that money? >> oh, yeah. they will get in touch with the irs and cut off the money and they may cut off his ability to go too far. >> led to believe his mom lived in the vancouver area. how does that affect things? >> i tell you, i don't think he is going to back to mom or anywhere near he believes the police are going to go first. the police are going to go to mom first. he, you know, he is a pilot. he has the ability to get away. he is not going to be gone too long and he is not going to go too far. >> robin, we hear family -- authorities warning, don't help this guy. what kind of trouble is someone in who knowingly or unknowingly helps this guy out? >> if someone decides they are going to help the million-dollar man out they will have a million-dollar bond on them because they can ban accessory
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murder, too. accessory after the fact after and before could find murder charges. >> stacy, this guy armed, dangerous, desperate you would think. what is the likelihood he would kill again? >> i'm inclined to think it isn't highly likely. this looks to me like a crime of passion. someone who is a batterer or a violent person which he seems to have a history of the victim is the person they had a relationship with. >> you are saying his rage and anger was on her or was jealous and not going to let anybody else have her? >> that's exactly what i think. the people who commit these battering violent acts have a history of it. i want to put a warning out to any women who are in relationships with people who are violent.
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it does sometimes go this far. >> robin. >> absolutely. >> weigh in on this. what do you think happened here? is that what you see jealous rage led to a brutal murder? >> absolutely. they don't call it a cycle of violence for no reason. because he will be in custody for the rest of his life. he did have a history. once a batterer, always a batterer. >> let's talk about their history. they meet in march. later in las vegas. tmz. woos her back with poems, stories, praise and a spiritual awakening and he hits her again.
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>> this is the cycle of violence, there is a honeymoon phase and buildup face and violence again. that is what we are seeing in the relationship. >> the battery charge there. in 2007 in canada an assault charge on another girlfriend. robin, this guy wasn't healed from that. he was a violent man and sounded like a ticking time bomb. >> absolutely. if i were the judge who sentenced him before i would be shaking in my boots making sure i gave an appropriate sentence. if there were signs and symptoms he had this violence that judge could be nervous he knew about it besides the reality show people. >> you mentioned the reality show. we will look at a snip pet of him on the reality show from vh-1 called "megan wants a millionaire."
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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. talking about the brutal murder of jasmine fiore, the swimsuit model. killed, stuffed in a suitcase, allegedly by her ex-husband ryan jenkins. he was on a reality tv show called "megan wants a millionaire." here is ryan jenkins in action on that show. >> i'm with megan alone with enough to let her get in touch with my deeper side and redeem myself for, you know, some of the silly things i said at dinner. >> there you go. what a cheese ball. say, do whatever you want to get whoever, whatever you want, huh? >> i mean, that's exactly what it is. these kind of guys are big-time manipulators. that is what he was on that show. >> steve rogers back in, as an investigator, how much more difficult is it to deal with a
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guy like this who is so slippery and devious? >> one of the questions law woman. files to see if there are any unsolved murtd. not that slippery. i'm confident he will give himself up with an attorney or they will find him. >> this is from a family friend, someone close to jasmine fiore, almost a mother figure. jazz mine talking about him. >> she called me the day after and said mommy, i met the most she went on and on and and on about ryan and how perfect he was. >> how perfect he was. stacy, how many sides are there are a guy like this? it is tough to tell, probably, right? >> yeah.
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except there is something said for the it is too good to be true it may well be too good to be true. first of all, no one is perfect. to decide someone is perfect is infatuation, he has a big wallet. that is never a good sign. >> robin, in dealing with a guy like this, do you think his ego will be his undoing? >> we hope that is the beginning of his undoing. someone as narcissistic as he is, who has put all of his information out there and who has paraded himself to be this amazing guy who can fix everything, do everything, will probably be undone by his own words. isolation he spends his time doing when he knew jasmine and knew how devious he was through the relationship. coming up, death row inmate,
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troy davis, convicted cop killer. his case reopened. most of the witnesses have recanted. is this an innocent man? cnn's hero of the week. faith coleman helps others get the medical care they need. >> i have been completely denied all insurances. >> i have been unemployed and basically have no income. >> they told me i have breast cancer and did not have insurance so i came here. >> if they have no insurance and they have no money, what's going to happen to them? in 2003 i discovered that i had kidney cancer. i am a nurse practitioner but i had no health insurance. i was able to mortgage my house to pay for the surgery. if it could happen to me, it could happen to anyone. i'm faith coleman. i co-founded a free clinic to
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we're back. the supreme court has made a controversial move in a case that has drawn international attention. death row inmate troy davis. let's bring in richelle carey. >> this might be the most important and controversial supreme court decision this term. let me take you back. troy davis was convicted of the murder of off duty police officer mark macphail in 1989 and sentenced to death in 1991. davis has always said he is innocent. but since his conviction, seven of the nine prosecution witnesses recanted their statement, saying police pressured them to point the finger at davis. last fall the supreme court issued a stay of execution two hours before davis was set to be put to death. a month later the justices reversed their decision. a federal appeals court issued another stay. this month's decision means
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davis will continue to sit on death row but will finally have a chance to try to prove his innocence in court. an bremner and martina correa, troy davis' sister. i want to start with reaction from officer macphail's family. let's listen to his son. >> it is very frustrating. to see that, people are not looking at what my father gave up. my father lost his life. >> they have a statement from officer macphail's mother. i i am shocked and upset. he has been to court so many times. he has had all the deals anyone could have asked for. martina, what is your reaction to what the supreme court did? >> well, i mean, i am very excited and elated about it. this is a long time coming. people have to realize this is something that is pivotal because in the united states they haven't determined if it is
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unconstitutional to execute an innocent person. troy's case has so many things that was wrong with the death penalty. so we still have a fight to do but this sets a precedent. it is really saying the supreme court has some serious concerns about this case and we should be evaluating those concerns of strong possibilities of innocent. >> ann, 27 former judges and prosecutors signed a brief supporting davis. what troubles you about this case? martina touched on the legal issues. what troubles you? >> those things. the fact is you can't execute the truly innocent the question is all that's happening here is there is a hearing ordered to look at this question of potential actual innocence. this is fundamental that you don't execute people that are innocent. if seven out of nine people have recanted, let's hear it in a hearing and have it explored before there is a fatal date
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set. there are a lot of people who have supported this position because if you've got somebody that could truly be innocent. i represent police officers. i have for 21 years. i have great sympathy for the family in this case. we have to do the right thing in america vis-a-vis the death penalty. >> martina, what has the last 18 years been like for you trying literally to keep your brother alive? >> it has been traumatic for our family. both families have been victimized. one thing is we have always upheld the other family. it is amazing because my father was a peace officer in this city. he was a chatham county sheriff's deputy. people seem to fail to understand that we have the u.s. most respect for police officers and their duties. to execute someone who is innocent because of a rush to judgment is not the way to do this. my family, we've lost a lot.
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my father was so traumatized by this he stopped taking his insulin and died in a diabetic coma six months later. we understand their loss and not trying to do is honor officer macphail by making sure the right person is brought to justice, and i don't believe that's troy davis. >> martina, have you actually met officer macphail's family and spoken with them? >> i've tried to speak to them when we were at the 11th circuit court of appeals, but they didn't want to have anything to do with my family. i mean, it's almost like we're totally ostracized. it's like, you know, the phenomenoner district attorney and the officers have instilled in them so much that, you know, troy has committed this murder and that's the only thing they should listen to. and then we have to deal with the local newspaper here that always are printing things in the editorial page that are so insightful and -- as far as the facts of the case. so people get totally misrepresented as to what's happening. but we've tried to reach out and
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say let's just sit down as families and look at the evidence and if you still choose not to believe us that's fine. >> martina, i'm going to have to wrap it up there. martina, thank you for your time. we've learned a lot about the legal system, but as anne bremner was saying and as you've been telling us, there's going to be a hearing now. we're going to have to follow up from there. and we'll also continue to try to reach out to officer m macphail's family as well. for more of what matters check out the september issue of "essence" magazine or check out cnn.com/what thematters. >> thanks, richelle, for that. this story is chilling. we'll hear a chilling confession. a woman claims she tortured a man in a wheelchair for three days and killed him. you will hear it from her own voice. the voice of evil as she is proud of what she did. )$)$)$)$)$
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for once, an emotional casey anthony, accused of murdering her only child. tears actually welled up as her dad took the stand. plus this. a bombshell in today's hearing. casey's defense says there is substantial evidence that someone planted little caylee's body while mom was locked up behind bars. armed and considered very dangerous. a warrant is out this hour for the arrest of a man accused of killing and dismembering his ex-wife, former swimsuit model. the details of her death just gruesome. her family says this guy is an animal and must be stopped. we take your calls,
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the number 1-877-tell-hln. you're a huge part of the show. call in, e-mail us. cnn.com/primenews. or you can text us at hlntv. all you have to do is start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. controversy, opinions, your point of view. this is "prime news." welcome. this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. we start with breaking news in the michael jackson death investigation. a raid this afternoon at mickey fine pharmacy in beverly hills. the king of pop did business at the place for years, it was used extensively by dr. arnold klein and other doctors who treated michael jackson. was something fishy going on there? we'll take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln. joining us to talk about it, anne bremner, former prosecutor, who sat in on michael jackson's molestation trial. also with us jim moret, chief correspondent "inside edition,"
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attorney and former cnn anchor. alan duke is in the pharmacy. he is a producer for cnn, our sister network. alan, what is going on? >> i'm about ten feet away from where the d.e.a. agents are inside behind the pharmaceutical counter. they've been here for a couple of hours. i'm sitting at the lunch counter because this is mickey fine's pharmacy and grill. i'm taking advantage of the grill part of it so i can sit here and watch the d.e.a. and other law enforcement agents ask questions and search. they've been here for a couple of hours, looking through files. in fact, making copies of the pharmaceutical licenses. the pharmacists here talking with them and that sort of thing. this is not a complete surprise. this pharmacy is located directly below the offices of dr. arnold klein, the close friend and dermatologist of michael jackson. this is also a building where michael jackson frequently visited, as recently as three days before his death he was here in this building that the pharmacy is located in.
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so we also -- this was not a surprise because we had been tipped off because we were told a pharmacy, we didn't know which, would be searched in the los angeles area sometime soon. >> any official line, alan, on what they're looking for? >> reporter: no. this is not their first search. as you know, they searched in las vegas, a pharmaceutical services company. this is the first pharmacy we know that they've searched. to my knowledge, they are looking for records of pharmaceutical transactions, quite obviously, those linked to their michael jackson investigation. >> got you. okay. jim moret, let's give the folks some context about this place. is this the pharmacy where michael jackson owed reportedly some $100,000? >> yes. the pharmacy filed a suit saying michael jackson owed $100,000 for nonpayment of various drugs. most people would say how could you even accumulate that amount? that was resolved. but this is the same pharmacy, and as alan said, cnn producer, that it's right below dr.
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klein's office. this is presumably where many of dr. klein's prescriptions would have been filled and where perhaps other prescriptions for michael jackson would have been filled. they're probably looking -- you know, this is the d.e.a., don't forget. this is separate from the coroner investigation. even though they're all related to michael jackson and the drugs he was taking and also perhaps how he died. they're trying to put the pieces together. they're trying to match whether there were aliases used, whether there was illegal dispensing of drugs, controlled substances, see how much was given in a certain period of time. so they have quite a bit to look through. >> okay. let me bring anne in on this. when we talk about dr. murray, and all searches it seems we want to zone in on propofol. >> right. >> in this case let's pick up on jim's point. we're talking about basically illegal distribution of drugs, right? >> exactly. and the thing about this is is that you've got -- like jim said, and jim is right over all of this all the time, the fact is you've got this pharmacy
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where we're hearing about, you know, $40,000, $50,000 in a given month or a short period of time prescribing to jackson. so you've got doctors prescribing but then you've got them dispensing and they have restrictions of course that the d.e.a. is looking at, because you should know if he's taking 40 xanax a night as has been reported or injecting himself with demerol, et cetera, there's going to be some accountability criminally potentially for the pharmacy as well. >> got you. jim work we see dr. murray's name linked to this pharmacy? >> it's possible, although i would suspect that if dr. murray actually dispensed propofol and he got it himself as opposed to getting it from another channel, it's doubtful that he would get it from this pharmacy. he would probably get it from -- his offices were not based in beverly hills. >> got you. so it's dr. klein. let's go back to alan duke, who's, again, inside the pharmacy. have you seen dr. klein today, alan? >> no. no. and that's no surprise at all. you know, just two days ago the
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coroner's investigator, chief investigator, was here. actually serving a subpoena for more information and documents. dr. klein did not meet with that investigator. instead, he had two of his attorneys meet with him. but no, we have not seen dr. klein here today. we don't even know he's in the building. although he sits directly above me. >> okay. anne, let's clear it up for the viewers here as well. when we talk of dr. klein, what are investigators focusing on in dealing with him? >> well, in terms of overprescribing. to michael jackson. and remember, back at the time of the search warrants in '03 at neverland there was all kinds of information about aliases, about overprescribing, et cetera, found in those search warrant raids in the records. so dr. klein has been a focus of a lot of this. and how interesting that it's so convenient that he's right there at the pharmacy. and of course those numbers in terms of money alone are staggering. and would raise suspicion. >> got you. jim, so we've got doctor -- this pharmacy below dr. klein's office.
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we talked about dr. murray and his clinic, the pharmacy he used, his house being raided. what's next, jim? will other pharmacies be raided? >> it's possible. it depends on what other pharmacies michael jackson may have used to get medication. they know of this one, and they're probably looking for others as well. you know, just to be very clear, dr. klein has not been named as a suspect. dr. murray has in the search warrants that have been presented so far. they have been looking for evidence of manslaughter with respect to dr. murray. he's been the only doctor specifically named in the search warrant, not dr. klein. but this is a broader investigation. the state attorney general is looking at this just as they did with the anna nicole case, not just with respect to how michael jackson died but in the months leading up to his death to see if there was medication that was overprescribed. >> got you. okay, guys, we're going to have to leave it there. alan, thanks a lot. coming to us from inside that pharmacy. alan duke. jim, anne, as always, we appreciate it. coming up, the latest with casey
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welcome back. a major day in court for casey anthony, the mom accused of killing her little 2-year-old, caylee. here's casey showing a little bit of emotion for once as dad, george, took the stand. they haven't seen each other for three months now. jail taking its toll on casey. she looked pretty rough there. we're going to talk about that. we wonder also, where's her defense going? well, a clue today. her lawyers say they have significant evidence that little caylee's body was planted, moved to where little caylee's remains
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were found, weil casey was behind bars. we'll take your calls on it. 1-877-tell-hln's the number. joining us again, natisha lance, producer from the nancy grace show. also with us, pam bondi, florida state prosecutor. anne bremner back with us, defense attorney, former prosecutor. dan hill joins us, a facial coding body language expert as we take a look at casey. we'll do that just a bit. first we'll start with the defense here, natisha. what are they going for? they're trying to say body moved while casey's in jail, huh? >> that's right. just as you said the defense is saying they have significant evidence that proves casey anthony is innocent and that caylee's body was placed there while casey anthony was behind bars. now, what this does not touch on is the point that investigators have said that caylee anthony's body was placed there about june 18th. now, this would have been far before causy anthony was behind bars. she was first put behind bars on doesn't go along with
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remains that were found there, so much so to the point that it shows that those remains had been there for months. >> that's a great point there. anne, let me bring you in on this. are they grasping for straws here, or is this theory something that can play in court? >>? n. some ways it sounds like they're grasping at straws. what they need to show is reasonable doubt. and if they can say and show that she was in jail through some, you know, good expert testimony at the time the body was there, they're going to have to get these witnesses from equusearch to say we looked and looked and didn't find the body. it's a death penalty case. as we talked about before, they need not be unanimous in florida, the only state, to give death. so this is a really, really tough case for them. >> got you. all right k anne. pam, you're a prosecutor here. how are you doubling back over the top of this theory they're coming with? >> i don't think they're going to go anywhere with it. i think anne's right. i think they're grasping at
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straws because that's all they have. also, without trying to be very graphic, mike, what the scientists are also going to say, they had anthropologists, was that unfortunately her little body was separated by animals before decomposition. they can tell that by the groupings of the bone clusters and where they were found. so that meant her body had been there for some time also. as natisha said, the botanist, i've read all of his reports. the root growth was so extensive it had grown through her bones, through the plastic bag, and they went back and recreated that even in a lab to tell how long it took for those plants to grow, and it had been a significant amount of time that her little body had been there. so i don't think they're going to go anywhere with that theory. >> gosh, that's tough. we need the facts out here, but it's tough -- >> i'm sorry. >> no, i know. that's what we're dealing with and that's what's going to happen in this court trial. it's going to be brutal. we're talking that way, and we're going to see the picture.
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it's just tough. natisha, let's break it down here. so on one front they want texas equusearch, right? they're going to go with them, and well, if you guys did the thorough search you would have found the body, right? >> that's right. and this is not the first time they've asked for these records with texas equusearch. and they came out and released some photographs saying this is the area we searched as you can see it was undercover by water. now, what the defense is saying is that you searched this area, you had many searchers who were out there, your searchers didn't find a body there at the time, which means the body just wasn't there. >> anne, don't you think that's enough, between what pam describes and the plant growth around the remains and the challenges that texas equusearch had, at the end of the day don't you think this theory is not going anywhere? >> i do. but they're going to have this hearing, they're still going to push it, they want these witnesses to be interviewed, potentially testify. there's been privacy rights raised. and the other thing is getting witnesses from out of state in a criminal case is very -- can be very difficult. it's under a thing called the uniform compelling attendance of witnesses act, a mouthful.
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but they're trying everything they can because the stakes are so high in this case for her. but what graphic, horrible details. >> let's get a call in real quick. becky's with us in utah. hi, becky, your thoughts here? >> yes. >> go ahead, becky. >> caller: i was wondering why all this time she's been in jail and even before, why didn't they bring all this up to everybody's knowledge about her thinking that -- them thinking, rather, they were planted there? >> well, i think they -- anne, you can help me out here. they've been building their theory and defense, right? for over time. >> that's right. and your caller raises an excellent point. but the fact is in a criminal case the defense files their motions as they learn about the evidence and develop it. they're supposed to think, but they need to think about something in a defense, and then they bring it forth to a judge. it's just coming up now procedurally as we come closer to the trial and as they go through the discovery.
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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing our conversation. big day in court for casey anthony. we're taking your calls, by the way, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. there is casey anthony entering the courtroom. shakes hands with lawyers. not even a glance at mom and dad. early on here, all business. let's bring in dan hill. facial coding, body language expert. you see her coached here. and again, at this point anyway she looks to be her cold self, don't you think, dan? >> actually, i have to disagree. >> ah. >> this is a complete role reversal from the woman i saw months ago. back then she was in denial. she was really out of touch with her emotions. from the very moment she comes
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into court her eyes are down, her head is down. signs of sadness. her chin is quafring. her mouth is pulled wide in fear. her eyebrow was up in fear. it's not just when she finally comes to tears. she's near tears and battling it the whole way through when she's in court. >> i didn't see emotion right out of the gate. let's show the emotion. then her father takes the stand, george anthony. he's talking about leonard padilla and what role he had with the family. and then we do see a little bit of emotion. dan, you see this as genuine? >> i do, actually. before she was, as i said, really disconnected. the lack of genuine emotion now is from the parents, strangely enough. that's also a role reversal. you had before they were coming into court the parents were smiling. very artificial smiles. quickly on and off the face. afterward the mother said she's now at peace, but in fact she was showing contempt and sadness and fear. so it's the parents who are less authentic. i think the gravity of the situation has finally come home to her. cindy, that is. >> pam bondi, if you're defending casey anthony, this is
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a good thing, right? you want to show her as human. and if she's going to well up with a few tears, isn't that a good thing? >> that's great. for the defense. >> for the defense, right. >> if they can actually make her do that. but i'm kind of with you, mike. and i'm far from a body language expert. but from what i saw i did not see tears coming down her eyes, yet i saw her dabbing them with a tissue to make it appear as if she was crying. so that may have been a little staged. but yes, i think she was more emotional than we've seen her thus far, and i think now that a more experience the defense attorney who's on the case, they're giving her that advice as well. >> anne, do you agree the lawyers are saying let the emotions go, it would be good for you? >> i always agree with pam. she's an excellent prosecutor. i think they're saying, you know, what you have been the ice queen out there, you're the one that only thinks about yourself. that's the way you look. now, even when they got her all dressed up for court with her hair back and still under the hot body contest pictures we see of her-f you show emotion as a
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defendant, it always helps. >> dan, i think we can all agree she looked -- she looked like someone who's facing a murder trial. she looked -- this is the roughest she's looked, right? that it's taken its toll, right? >> oh, absolutely. it reminds me of when o.j. simpson was being arraigned. this time he knew he was in trouble. his lawyers were smirking at the judge, but o.j. knew he was caught. she looks like someone who knows she's really now in serious trouble. >> okay, guys. one more piece of video we're going to show when you we come back. we'll show her exiting. and that's where she gives mom and dad next to nothing as far as an acknowledgment. we'll talk about that. and also a boyfriend. tony lazzaro. they want his phone records. why? we'll delve into that.
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welcome back. the search on for a reality tv star accused in the brutal murder of his wife, ex-wife jasmine fiore. here's a picture of their wedding from tmz. hard to believe months later her body found stuffed in a suitcase inside a dumpster. police in california say the suspect, jenkins, went to such gruesome extremes to stall authorities from identifying the body he actually removed her teeth and fingers. she was identified using the serial number from her breast implants. authorities believe jenkins is now in canada. here's the video from tmz. his boat, suv found in washington state near the border. now there's a $25,000 reward for
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information leading to his arrest. could someone be helping him? here's a family friend of the victim, speaking earlier at a news conference. let's listen. >> this message goes out to the family, his mother and father, and to the friends that are helping him try to leave this country. ryan jensen -- jenkins is an animal. what he has done to jasmine is unspeak ab unspeakable. it's just not right. >> joining me now to talk about this, robin sachs is with us, former l.a. county deputy district attorney. also psychotherapist stacy kaiser. steve rogers, detective lieutenant for the nutley, new jersey police department. steve, let's start with you. how are authorities going to track this guy down? >> first of all, they're going to do a lot of interviewing to find out who he's been in touch with, who he's been in contact with. they're also going to trail perhaps his money. he he needs that money as a
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resource to evade police. they're going to be doing a lot of footwork. >> can they cut off that money? what steps can you take to do that, steve? >> oh, yeah, they'll get in touch with the irs. they'll get the court orders to cut off the money. and that might very well cut off his ability to go too far. >> one other thing i want to hit with you, steve, is we're led to believe his mom lived that vancouver -- that area. how does that affect things? >> well, i'll tell you, i don't think he's going to go back to mom or anywhere near where he believes the police are going to go first. and the police are obviously going to go to mom first. you know he's a pilot, he's got the ability to get away, but he's not going to be gone too long and he's not going to go too far. >> robin, we hear family warning -- authorities warning don't help this guy. what kind of trouble's someone in who either knowingly or unknowingly helps this guy out? >> well, if someone decides that they're going to help the $1 million man out here, they're going to find out themselves that they're going to have a million-dollar bond on them as well because they can very well be an accessory after the fact and in some places they can --
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too. the fact after and before could find murder charges. >> stacy, this guy armed, dangerous, desperate. you would think what's the likelihood he could kill again? >> you know, i'm inclined to think it isn't highly likely. what this looks like to me is one of those crimes of passion. typically, when you see somebody who's a batterer or a violent person, which he seems to have a history of, it ends up being that the victim is the person that they had a relationship with. >> okay. so you're saying all his rage and anger was on her, or he was jealous and wasn't going to let anybody else have her? is that what you're seeing here? >> that's exactly what i think. and the people that commit these battering kind of violent acts are people who typically have a history of it. so i just want to put a warning out to any women who are in relationship with people who are violent. it does sometimes go this far.
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>> robin -- >> absolutely. >> yeah, weigh in on this. you know, what do you think happened here? is that what you see, just a jealous rage led to a brutal murder? >> absolutely. they don't call it a cycle of violence for no reason. don't know that i necessarily agree that this is a one-time incident. for the rest of his life. but he did have an assault background. he did have a history. batterer always a batterer. >> yeah, let's talk about his history a little bit, guys. okay. let's talk about their history, first off. they meet in march. later in las vegas. we're led to believe they had a blowup and poems, stories, praise, what he calls a spiritual awakening, but then is charged with hitting her after that. >> well, this is exactly what robin was talking about. this is the cycle of violence. they woo you in, there's a
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honeymoon phase and then there's a build-up phase, and then comes the violence again. and that's what we're seeing in this relationship. >> so we've got the battery charge there. you go back to 2007 in canada, an assault charge on another girlfriend. so robin, this guy wasn't healed obviously from that. he was a violent man and sounded like a ticking time bomb. >> absolutely. and if i were the judge who sentenced him before, i'd be shaking in my boots a bit right now, making sure i gave an appropriate sentence because if there were signs and symptoms there that he had this kind of violence, that judge could be a little bit nervous that they knew about it and there was an inclination to know about it besides the reality show people. >> you mentioned the reality show. when we come back, we're going to take a look at a snippet of him on the reality show from vh1 called "megan wants a millionaire." this guy, so many faces to ryan jenkins.
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on hln. continuing our conversation about the brutal murder of jasmine fiore. swimsuit model. killed, left in a dumpster, stuffed in a suitcase. allegedly by her ex-husband, ryan jenkins. we mentioned he was on a reality tv show on vh1. there it is. there are some clips. show's called "megan wants a millionaire." here's brian jenkins in action on that show. >> i'm with megan alone, was enough to let her get in touch with my deeper side and redeem myself for, you know, some of the silly things i said at dinner. >> there you go. what a cheeseball, huh, stacy? say, do whatever you want to get whoever, whatever you want, snu. >> that's exactly what it is. these kind of guys are really big-time manipulators. and that's what he was on that show. >> let's get steve rogers back in. steve, as an investigator how much more difficult is it to deal with a guy like this, who's so slippery, so devious?
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>> i'll tell you, mike, one of the questions law enforcement might be seeking to answer is did he do this before in this is area. i'm confident very soon he's either going to give himself up with an attorney or they'll find him. >> okay. i want to play this piece of sound. this is from a family friend, someone who is close to jasmine fiore, almost a mother figure to her. and here she describes jasmine talking to her about when she first met ryan jenkins. >> she called me the day after, and she said, mommy, i met the most perfect guy in the world, and on about ryan and how perfect he was. >> how perfect he was. stacy, how many sides are there to a guy like this? it's tough to tell probably, right? >> yeah. i mean, except for that there's something to be said for if it is too good to be true it may
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very well be too good to be true. you can't determine -- well, first of all, no one's perfect. but to decide that someone is perfect immediately, that's called infatuation. that's called, you know, he has a big wallet. and that's never a good sign. >> yeah. robin, in dealing with a guy like this, do you think his ego's going to be his undoing? >> well, we hope that that's the beginning of his undoing. someone who's as narcissistic as he is, who has put all of his information out there and who has played it himself as to be this amazing guy who can fix everything, do everything, will probably be undone by his own words. but i think that stacy brings up an excellent point. of isolation he spends time doing, when he knew jasmine and seeing how devious he was throughout their relationship. did we have to leave it there. stacy, robin, steve, we appreciate it. coming up, troy davis, convicted cop killer, his case getting reopened. most of the witnesses against
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welcome back. the supreme court has made a controversial move in a case that has drawn now international attention. we're talking about death row inmate troy davis. let's bring in our "prime news" correspondent richelle carey here with our weekly "what matters" feature. go ahead, richelle. >> well, moog, this might just be the most important and most controversial supreme court decision this term. let me take you back. troy davis was convicted of the murder of off-duty police officer mark macphail in 1989 in savannah, georgia and sentenced to death in 1991. davis has always said he is innocent. but since his conviction 7 of the 9 prosecution witnesses have recanted their statements, some saying that police pressured them to point the finger at davis. last fall the supreme court issued a stay of execution just two hours before davis was set to be put to death. a month later the justices reversed their decision. then a federal appeals court issued another stay. and in this month's supreme
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court decision it means davis will continue to sit on death row but will finally have a chance to try to prove his innocence in court. joining me now, anne bremner, defense attorney and former prosecutor, and martina correi a correira, troy davis's sister. i want to start with some reaction from officer macphail's family. we did reach out to them. let's listen to his son. >> it's very frustrating, yeah. to see that, you know. they're all focusing on troy and not looking at what my father gave up. my father lost his life. >> we also have a statement as well from officer macphail's mother. this is what she says. "i'm very shocked and upset. he's already been to court so many times. he's had all the deals anyone could have asked for." martina, what is your reaction to what the supreme court did? >> well, i mean, i'm very excited and elated about it. you know, this is a long time coming, but people have to realize that this is something that's pivotal because in the united states they haven't really determined if it's unconstitutional to execute an
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innocent person. and troy's case has so many things that's wrong with the death penalty. and so you know, we still have a fight to do, but this sets a precedent, and it's really saying that the supreme court has some really serious concerns about this case and that we should be evaluating those concerns of strong possibilities of innocence. >> anne, 27 former judges and prosecutors, 27, have signed a brief supporting davis. what troubles you about this case? and martina just touched on some of the legal issues. what troubles you? >> those things. and the fact is that, you know, you can't execute the truly innocent. and the question is all that's happening here is there's been a hearing ordered to look at this question of potential actual innocence. this is fundamental, that you don't execute people that are innocent. so if 7 out of 9 people have indeed recanted, let's hear it in a hearing and have it explored before there's a fatal date set. and there's a lot of people that have supported this position
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because, you know, if you've got somebody that could truly be innocent -- and i represent police officers, i have for 21 years, and i have great sympathy for the family in this case. we have to do the right thing in america vis-a-vis the death penalty. >> martina, what have the last 18 years been like for you, trying to literally keep your brother alive? >> well, you know, it's been traumatic for our family because a lot of times people don't realize that both families have been victimized. and you know, one thing is that we've always upheld the other family. and you know, it's really amazing because my father was a peace officer in the city. he was a chatham county sheriff's deputy. and people seem to fail to understand that we have the utmost respect for police officers and their duties. but to execute someone who's innocent because of a rush to judgment is not the way to do this. so i mean, my family, we've lost a lot. you know, my father was so traumatized by this that he
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actually stopped taking his insulin and died in a diabetic coma six months later. so we understand their loss, and we're not trying to compound it. but what we're trying to do is honor officer macphail by making sure the right person is brough making sure that the right person is brought to justice and i don't believe that's troy davis. >> have you actually met the officer's family and never spoken with them? >> i tried to speak to them when we were at the 11th circuit court of appeals. they've instilled in them so much that troy has committed this crime and then the newspaper and the editorial page that is so insightful and people get totally misrepresented. we try to reach out. let's just sit down as families
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and look at the evidence. if you choose not to believe that. >> thank you for your time. you've heard a lot about the legal system. as you've been telling us, there's going to be a hearing and we're going to try to reach out to the officer's family as well. mike? >> fascinating story, richelle. thanks. this story is just chilling. and we're going to hear a chilling confession a woman claims she tortured a man for three days in a wheelchair and killed him. you'll hear it from the voice of evil as she's proud of what she did.
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