for the first time we're hearing from the woman held prisoner for 18 torturous years forced to bear children with her be a duckedor jaycee dugard trying to adapt to a normal life one she hasn't known since she was a child. her real family opening up about jaycee's true feelings. a panic call to 911, guy heinze is, junior, said he found his family dead. now police say he is their only suspect in this gruesome mass kerp. not only that they say he acted alone. eight people horrifically are beaten to death in a trailer home. the questions, we want to know how could one man kill so many and no one fights back or gets

away. we'll take your calls 1-877-tell-hln is the number. or text: start your message with the word "prime" your chance to be heard. controversy, opinion, your point of view this is "prime news." >> welcome once again. all right. first up, major development in the case of phillip ga ree do, california man accused of kidnapping, then 11-year-old jaycee dugard and holding her prisoner in his backyard almost two decades. detectives are now saying a bone fragment found near garrido's home last week is most likely human. dna tests will determine the bone's age, who it might have belonged to, we'll get into all that and that possess another big question. are there potentially other victims out there? as always we'll take your calls. joining us to talk about this dr. clarence watson, forensic psychiatrist and today lawrence

kobilinsky, forensic scientist as we dissect what we can learn from the bone and welcome back reporter sam stanton "sacramento bee." sam, starting with you, where was the bone found? >> reporter: as part of the august 30th search going on in their house in antioch and the neighbor's house nextdoor. at some point in previous years, garrido had lived in a shed in that backyard and had apparently had access to the neighbor's home. so, they took cadaver dogs in there for several days searching for any bone fragments. at the time, they were looking for ties to a series of murders of young women in the pittsburg, california area that occurred in the late 1990s. what they ended up turning up one small broken fragment and told us last night it probably is human but they're going to need to do more testing on it. >> okay. and garrido goes back to that area, goes back to his time of parole, correct in. >> reporter: he goes back almost

to his childhood, his mother lived in that home and he had been there at least since the early 1970s. >> okay. one -- in reading reports about this, is this near a one-time native american burial ground? >> reporter: yeah, the sheriff's department indicates that it could be related to native american burial grounds and you have to look at the fact that they left the search after just several days. if they thought there were a sack of human bones buried in these yards, you have to believe that they would still be out there digging them up. >> yeah, that's an excellent point. dr. lawrence cob lin ski, doctor, what can we learn from this bone, what tests are going on right now? >> well, i suspect that they are doing the typical procedure on extracting dna from bone. see that be able to determine the -- whether it's human or not. they will know whether it's from a female or a male and they should be able to get a genetic profile. what they will not be able to

determine is the age of the bone. that is somewhat more difficult. now, if they use another procedure my toe kond dreeial dna, they might get a handle on the ethnicity of the individual from whom the bone was acquired. there's a lot we can do but a lot we can't do, as well. >> we can't really get a timeline here. if we're looking whether or not phillip gur rarrido was connecto missing children's cases in the 1980s or '90s, we aren't going to be able to tell or date it back to that time. >> if we have any genetic information on those missing, the genetic profile can be checked against the genes we find in the bone. it could actually identify an individual if those -- if that data exists in a database someplace. and they do keep this data, missing persons database, they do exist in different states. >> okay. sam, refresh our memory here, there's two missing children cases from that area that are similar to jaycee's right,

talking about -- >> reporter: right. there may be more than. there was a spate of these be a ducks in the 1990s in northern california and some of them appear to be similar to these. so, there would be dna for some of these missing children, obviously. it would be in the evidence. so that presumably is one of the things that they'll be looking at. >> let's bring in dr. clarence watson. looking at his pattern, we have rape, we have kidnapping, what is the likelihood, is there a progression, an evil progression to murder for this guy, could that be the case in. >> well, yeah, what we do know about him is that he has a history of being a sexual offender. certainly, he has progressed in his behaviors that he is able to actually go out, kidnap someone and take them back and hold them for a number of years. it does show that he has a

dangerous propensity for that sort of behavior, whether it is murderous or not, we're not certain of just yet. but certainly, we are -- it's definitely beneficial that we have not had to find that out since he's been captured. >> back to sam stanton, reporter "sacramento bee" on this from the get-government the latest on ga ree do, any court proceedings coming up? >> reporter: yes, both be held in jail pending a bail hearing to take place monday more in plas ser ville in eldorado county. really no expectation they'll be released but the hearing will go forward at 8:00 a.m. >> any word from their attorney on this bone fragment? >> reporter: no, no one is saying anything and the sheriff's department has downplayed it significantly in terms of whether they think it's tied to anything serious. >> a quick break, guys. when we come back we'll talk about jaycee dugard and how she is doing reacclimating to a new

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news." so many of us have wondered how is jaycee dugard doing adjusting to a new life after a nightmare, 18 years in captivity, allegedly with philip ga ree do, forced to bear two of his children now reunited with mom. and what the -- the quote we're getting from her family is that she is so happy right now that. is wonderful to hear. let's bring in and there's the

quote source on that from "people" magazine, i'm so happy, i feel so happy. dr. watson, how long will this type of joy last? i mean, because we're talking they've been together roughly two weeks now and you'd expect a honeymoon period but then a new reality to set in but still riding the joy. that's great, right. >> well, it's fantastic. it's a great start. and to get such a positive reaction from her as well as her family is really the best that anyone could hope for. but, what we have to remember is that this is very early in the stages here of her road to recovery. she's in the process of healing and when we think about the process of healing, we have to first think about trauma. we think about her trauma, you can just imagine and it's hard to imagine an 11-year-old child being snatched in broad daylight, taken to a strange place in isolation, being molested, raped, whatever other

physical abuse that she faced, being totally dependent on these folks. in her mind, these people were all-powerful especially no police have come or stopped them, the parents haven't come and found her. and so, she is left with the idea that she has to live with this and that sort of trauma doesn't just go away overnight. >> okay. you've laid it out there. we're talking about the joy of the reunion, where she is now. >> absolutely. >> but yet, these scars that only she knows, how does that -- how does that process in stages? what's next for her? we're two weeks in of a long journey. what's next. >> well, the first piece is that she is dealing with such an extreme case of trauma that it's the likes that we have not really seen except for very few cases. so, there's no real progression or outline, you know, that's typical. what i would say is that whatever pattern happens with

this particular young lady, it will have to do with her own inate strengths, whether or not she's a very resilient person or not. but, whatever happens, she will have to do this and take this process in her own time and really it's going to be difficult for anyone to come in and actually very harmful for someone to come in and try to push that process for her. >> got you. >> really have to address her needs as they come. >> from all accounts there, is a resilience and strength in this young woman she could turn from victim to mom and was able to teach her daughters ages 15 and 11 now sounds like to read and write and be inquisitive young women in their own right. >> absolutely. >> incredible story. let's get a call real quick. laura from north carolina, laura, comment, question? >> caller: hello, mike. >> hey. >> caller: i have a question. why is this man not already back in prison as he has already violated his proposal? he should never be allowed to be out again. >> no, you're right. when you go back to he violated

his parole on a marijuana violation. and what should have happened back then, there were so many missteps in the legal system, the authorities in nevada should have known and if they would known they would have locked him up again. at that point, he was two years into jaycee's 18 years of captivity. maybe, maybe his then wife would have done something. maybe she would have realized the error of their ways and jaycee would have been freed. but, you know, we look back at that and that's another element to this that we continue to cover, the missteps that would allow phillip garrido to do this to such an innocent young girl. guys, thanks, once again. we appreciate it. coming up, police are now saying a georgia man acted alone when he killed eight people inside a trailer home. the suspect, guy heinze, jr., calls 191, he is distraught says his whole family is dead. now, he's the accused.

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welcome back. eight people bludgeoned to death inside a south georgia mobile home a morbid attack. new today in the case police say the man who told 911 his whole family was dead is actually the killer and he acted alone. cops say # 2-year-old guy heinze, jr. was related to all but one of the victims. he's been charged with eight counts of murder, one count of attempted murder, a 3-year-old survived this attack but after two weeks is still in critical condition fighting for his young life. four victims were men many in the small town of brunswick are wondering how they all were killed without anyone getting away, fighting back. and for now, cops are being tight-lipped but say everything will add up once they release the details of this case. we'll take your calls 1-877-tell-hln. join us to talk about it second lieutenant steve rogers nuttily,

new jersey, police department. good to have you back, back on this topic. starting with questions folks have in that area that i think we all have, one man killing eight and four are grown men. how do you think it goes down where these men do not fight back, they don't run away. >> well, mike, the same question was asked in 1966 when richard speck killed eight nursess, stabbed them to death, why didn't they fight back? in this case i believe that drugs could have played a very important role in these executions. these people could have been drugged up, unable to defend themselves and then one by one he could have executed them. >> yeah. that makes sense. let's get back to that 911 call that you and i have gone over, steve. let's listen to it now in retrospect. here it is again, guy heinze, jr., is making the call to 911 letting everyone know there's bean massacre, his family's dead. let's listen. >> i just got home. my whole family's dead. >> okay. tell me what's going on, sir. what. >> i just home from -- i was out

last. i just got home just for you and everybody's dead. >> how many people are there? >> there's six. my whole family's dead. >> first off, steve, i give you credit you were suspicious of this 911 call from the beginning. why? >> yes. we talked about it. well, a couple things, one he sounds high, i could tell you based on my experience in law enforcement he sounds high but also he mentioned it looks like they were beaten to death. i mean, he gave us the actual method of their murder in that phone call. so, there were no statements about i think they were shot, i think this, i think that. he said they were beaten to death. >> okay. now, we -- he claims his innocence, obviously. but, you've got police -- let's listen. we have the police chief talking about, they know, they believe they have their man. let's listen to why they believe that, what evidence they may have. let's listen to the police chief. >> two pieces of information came forward to us. we took those two pieces of

information, compared it to the whole of all the evidence collected all week long. we were satisfied that that led us to believe that guy heinze, jr., is a responsible person for the murders. >> first up, what do you think the two pieces of evidence are here, steve? >> i believe one is the murder weapon and i believe they have someone who talked to them who led them to concluding that he's the killer. >> okay. so pretty cut and dry there. >> pretty cut and dry. >> evidence and someone's talking here. you know, with this case, i mean, and that's flat out it, right, not his words in the 911 but just flat out hard evidence that is nailing this guy, right. >> oh, yeah, hard evidence. the police were meticulous in this investigation. they were tight-lipped in the beginning but, as any good law enforcement officer and you and i talked about this, mike, that phone call was a big tip to the police and really gave them the lead that they needed to perhaps

find someone who they could talk with and get the evidence. >> do you think they were suspicious like you? take us inside, as investigators listen to that, do you think they turned to each and go, i don't know, it sounds fishy, do you think that went on? >> you get that sixth sense, no good in a court of law but you're good investigator you're going to sense, you know what, mike when you play that phone call and the police officers around this country saw your program that night i went back and said, who do you think and they said, he's the one. >> all right. let's talk motive here. we can't really figure it but, i mean, what could happen, one guy you're going to wipe oit your whole family, not getting at least at this point any real back story. i mean, was he drugged up, what do you make of it, steve. >> two things we could think about. one is did they witness anything involving other people. i mean, we can't rule out the fact there may be another killer involved and was he told to silence them? secondly, which is probably more plausible, everybody was drugged up. he went on a rage and just began

to kill anybody within sight. >> okay. there's a 3-year-old, this is as heartbreaking as any detail we've come across in this story, a 3-year-old, beaten nearly to death. fighting for his life. could that 3-year-old finally be the one to put him away? >> well, i tell you, i don't know the answer to that question because i'm not an expert in that field but i've seen amazing things that psychologists and child therapists can do with young people even at that age. >> yeah. again our thoughts and prayers this 3-year-old, who knows what he experienced. steve, good work on this one. you knew from the start. good talking with you. talk with you again. >> mike, thanks for what you are doing, also. >> yeah, we've got to keep these stories out there. coming up higher stakes in the hunt for an arsonist someone responsible for the largest wildfire in los angeles county history, responsible for two deaths. who could have done it? is úíxñ

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have determined the point of origin say there is some sort of accelerant. the way they sift through dirt and debris, it's an amazing technological process. we have full faith in our arson investigators and along with the public's health we think we can find the responsible party and bring them to justice for the two firefighters that lost their lives and for our county taxpayers and for those that have lost their homes. >> yeah. you mentioned homicide. can murder charges be brought against whoever set this because we lost two of our finest in ted and arne? >> that's correct t. would be up to the d.a., steve cooley's office to determine when and if they find these guys and we're pretty coughed dent we will that they can determine whether or not it's a murder or whether it was a certain negligent

homicide, manslaughter, voluntary, involuntary it all depends but typically these guys are sickos that sort of revel in the work that they do and often leave clues and often like to brag what they do, my experience in the number of fires i've seen and these arsonists. the great part we have a $150,000 reward right now. that should jar some people's memories, got a little bit of information we hope they'll step forward and talk to homicide detectives. >> what do you need from the public here? >> well, you know, it's just like any other case where you might have seen a car driving past. you might have noticed or witnessed someone speaking about one thing, right,

tony, one could be the key. >> that's exactly right. >> before i let you go, how are the spirits of firefighters? i mean, battling this brutal fire, lost two brethren -- >> right. >> i know they'll be honored saturday at dodgers stadium. how are things right now. >> things are very, very, of course, solemn but very positive and optimistic. have the best fire-fighting great chief. mostly contained right now but it's been huge, a long, long road and we're getting our arms around it now. >> tony, thanks again. out, he lived that, that's leader. again, we honor them. we'll take a break. more coming up. medicare.

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that's where the plane landed this thing started to resolve itself about an hour ago. it was a few hours ago, rather, aeromexico flight 576. the passengers, believe it or not, they didn't actually realize they were being hijacked. apparently the people that conducted the hijacking were dealing really with the crew. they didn't realize they were being hijacked the passengers until they got on the ground and saw all the rescue vehicles coming towards them. this whole thing played out in about 45 minutes. the hijackers never spoke the passengers even when they were on the ground. they released the women, then the men, the crew, the hijackers believed bolivians or columbians but again, mike, threatened to blow up the plane but never actually had a real bomb. >> wow. >> don't know what it make of that. >> okay. thanks for the update on that one. we'll continue to update this story and new out today out of louisville, kentucky current and former higher school funnel players testified in the trial of the former coach david

stinson they said the coach ran them hard the day a player collapsed and later died. but at least four players said coach stinson never denied them water. and their testimony could have big implications, again charged with reckless homicide and wanton -- stinson pleaded not guilty but stands accused of pushing players past the limit and sometimes denying them water as punishment. we'll take your calls. joining us to talk about you, jennifer bonjean -- also joining us on the phone reporter for the "louisville courier journal" tony kahns. thanks to everybody for being with us. starting with the highlights, we listened to the testimony today. some players will say the coach

denied us water. >> -- then when the conditioning started, the wind sprints at the end of practice, that's where things get questionable. some players said players were not allowed to get water at that point. for every player who may say something about the harsh language coach stinson said on the flip side of that some players said they were able to set out and given ice when they felt they had heat exhaustion. >> let's bring in tony kahns on this since day one. there's been discrepancies, right between player accounts, how much conditioning they did, whether or not water denied? you don't get a consistent answer on this one, do you? >> no, you don't. it's been very inconsistent and i think that's part of what the defense obviously is trying to show. with several of these player accounts. i mean, you've got literally a hundred different players on the field at one time. some players even with the wind sprints, the gassers they called them, some are saying as many as

20 to 30 were ran. others, when the defense calls their witnesses, some are going to tell them there was only 10 or 12 that were ran. >> let's listen. this is from today's testimony, the one player i believe, rene you are referring to in a round about what i said coach did deny them water. let's listen to that and we'll get our attorney, jennifer, in. >> did you ever try to get water? >> no, sir. >> did other players try to get water. >> no, sir. >> did they try to get water after the sprints? >> a few. >> and was something said to them? >> yes, sir. >> what was said to them? >> he said, uh, i didn't tell you to get water. y'all get water when i tell y'all to. >> did you try to get water at that point? >> i did, but he stopped me. >> okay. jennifer, what about that account, that the coach, you get water when i tell ya is the pardz a phrase there.

is that damning against the coach. >> i think we need to back up a second. the prosecution first has to show the coaches conduct and, in this specific instance, the coaches denial of water actually caused the death of this young player and that is largely in dispute. there is medical experts that are saying, oh, it was heat stroke versus dehydration there. was an actual as we know a medical expert said their own medical expert they consulted said, no, it wasn't actually dehydration. we first have to show it was dehydration before we can say whether or not this conduct caused the death of this young man. and then, then the question is whether or not that was reckless conduct, whether or not this coach basically ignored substantial and unjustifiable risks of death. it's a very high burden and i think the prosecution has a long way to go here. >> okay. so, okay, let's parce this out, whether it's dehydration or that the body temperature because the argument could be the coach --

the basic prosecution argument the way i understand it, the coach should have known it was too hot. maybe water wasn't the answer. maybe taking off the helmets and shoulder pads would have been the answer. will we hear that? do we need to hear for the prosecution to score some points? >> mike, you're right. i'm not saying because it wasn't dehydration he necessarily is off the hook. what i'm saying it is a harder challenge for the prosecution because there are other contributing factors and when you're trying to hold someone criminally responsible, you have to show that coaches specific acts, his conduct, what he did or what he specifically did not do, actually caused the death. not that there were all these contributing factors that may have caused the death. so, we have to really pin it down when you are going to hold someone criminally responsible. this isn't negligence, a civil suit but criminal responsibility. >> let's bring back tony kons. when we talk about heat index, what do we know, 94 is the heat

index the day of the practice, is is that right? >> that's correct. it was 94 degrees that day of practice. >> was it checked periodically or was it just do we know, did coach check it as they went to practice and that's it or do they continue to monitor the heat index throughout practice? >> i believe officially it was only taken one time which i'm not totally sure what time it was taken but as far as we know it was only taken one time. >> rene murphy, let's get you in on that, do you agree with tony just the one time and 94 is the number? >> yeah, from everything we have seen and heard, the heat index was 94 degrees. was 94, 94 degrees outside, also. they take the temperature at the beginning of practice. now, when the temperature or heat index goes past 95 degrees when a whole different set of rules apply. >> at that point you have to adjust practice, unless you are involved in contact drills, you take the helmet and shoulder pads off. am i correct, renee, is that the way you understand it, as well? >> right.

right you have for take measures to make sure students aren't getting overheated. >> that's correct. coaches are told to error on the side of caution. >> jennifer, common sense would say, jennifer, football's a tough game, i played it, loved it, loved the hard work but when you get to that dangerous temperature of 94 and toni is making a point, hey, plus or minus one degree you might want to alter practice, does the coach lose in the common sense area there and could that hurt him in this criminal trial? >> again, i think we are at a much higher standard than negligence or what he should have done or what common ens would have said to do. this is a reckless standard. did he ignore unjustifiable, substantial risk of death? is i mean, that's a pretty high standard. and i think what really should be happening here is that criminal responsibility, to call him criminally responsible suggests this is wob aberrant

criminal act when, in fact, it is much larger issue. there need to policy changes widespread so these don't happen in the future. holding this one man criminally responsible simply to prove a points is not really a solution to this very serious problem. >> were you we hope to learn from it, jennifer, coaches can work our kids hard but benefit from it. about 30 seconds, what do you need to hear in this case that tells you uh-oh, coach could be in real trouble here. >> i would need to hear that he was aware of the heat index, that he made, you know, maybe made comments or statements indicating his awareness and said, you know, screw it. i don't really care what's going on. these kids are going to do it. and i need to hear evidence that they were denied water, that there was maybe anger involved, that there was something more than just -- >> he was angry. we know they were having a practice and he was going to run them.

>> i -- >> right? >> we did hear that but that sounds like a lot of coaches get angry but i think we have to hear something more significant than that to get to this level of recklessness. >> got you. one more thing real quick, toni are, there rules that state a coach needs to monitor heat index more than once or is that just up to the coaches discretion? >> i believe it's up to the coaches discretion. i don't thinks there's anything in the rules that stipulate that, as far as i'm aware there. should be. >> yeah, should be. i mean, if you go out to practice at 4:00 and the heat index is 94, you should check it again at 4:30, 5:00, 5:30. but if that rule is not in place, the coach may not be hurt by that, probably won't be. guys, like to continue, want to let the viewers know we'll continue following this story as we, again, hope to learn from it. we love our football. was this coach negligent or not. it will play out as the continues. ladies, thanks so much again. coming up a woman kidnapped denise lee, she was able to get her be a duckedor's phone, call

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>> good job, adam. good boy. >> that is heartbreaking to watch. the mother, the motherly voice there you hear of denise lee, the young mom, two young boys kidnapped from her home had the wherewithal to call 911 from her kidnapper's cell phone. she was raped, shot in the head and buried in a swamp last year. now for the first time her husband is telling us what went wrong. denise's 911 call, one of five that day.

five. and not one could save her. did the system fail her? let's bring in our correspondent richelle carey with that. go ahead with that. >> mike, five 911 calls. nathan lee spoke on cnn's "larry king live" last night about his wife, denise. last week jurors recommended her killer get the death penalty. nathan is talking about what happened that tragic day. six hours of terror for his wife. he says the charlotte county, florida sheriff's department botched one 911 call in particular. we said there were five but there's one he really takes exception with. he said if they botched this call he wonders if denise would be alive today. so, let's listen to a piece of that call. >> obviously, there were, you know, multiple agencies scrambling to search for denise the entire time. there were be on the lookout notices for a green camaro and denise and the suspect which was michael king.

they actually got 911 call with the motorist saying she saw them in an area that was actually specific to one of the bolos. and so, i mean, they were looking for, they finally found her. a motorist was in real time giving crossstreets of where they were and nothing -- they never -- they never dispatched anybody. >> got a little ahead of myself. we do have the 911 call. this is the voice of one of the witnesses. her call was played during michael king's murder trial. >> -- and it was banging on the window. and screaming. and crying. and screaming. screaming, screaming, screaming. and not a happy scream like "get me out of here scream. >> four deputies were minutes

away when she made that 911 call. well, apparently it got lost in a shift change and some other problems at the 911 center. we did try to reach out to the charlotte county sheriff's department. the office told us, no comment on legal matters. mike. >> all right. thanks. nathan lee, he also plans to sue the sheriff's department to change the 911 system. we'll continue to follow that. let's face it, 911 cannot make mistakes. they have to be perfect so we'll follow that one. this one, as well. a 350-pound man got quite a shock before boarding his flight. apparently, he was too big to board. wait a minute, the airline says he wasn't too big. he was just belligerent, scared some other passengers. we'll sort this out for you and take your calls 1-877-tell-hln. ? ( chirp ) oh yeah-- his and hers. - ( crowd gasping ) - ( chirp ) van gogh? ( chirp ) even steven. - ( chirp ) mansion. - ( chirp ) good to go.

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an illinois man says he and his wife were humiliated, embarrassed after basically being told he was too fat to fly on a plane. being told he was t fat on the plane. he said the airline left them stranded at the airport. he says he and his wife were about to pord when he was stopped and asked if he could sit in an airplane seat with both of the seat arms down. even though he said yes, he says he was told, well, you're not flying today. the airline, they're telling a different story saying he wasn't allowed to board because of his attitude, not his weight. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about it, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, fred is with us. also an airline expert, by the way. joining us, the passenger himself. emory, tell us, what happened that day? >> good afternoon. thank you. >> yeah. >> i -- we had gone to las vegas for the wife's birthday. and our daughter came out, so we

had some family time. so when it was time to leave, we were at southwest, and going down the -- to give the agent my boarding pass. i give her my pass and i'm walking down the ramp, and i'm about 25 feet from the plane. and she hustles down, grabs me and stops me and says, can you sit in an airplane seat with the arms down? i said, yes, i can. i says, i've flown many times, and it's never been a problem. and she says, well, you're not flying today. so i was confounded by her answer. and what was going to happen here. and i said, what did you say? and she said, you're not flying on this airplane today. >> emory, let's leave it right there. we're going to take a quick break. we'll get your reaction, your response. we'll get their statement in and open it up to callers as well, the number 1-877-tell-hln. disct

approach. did you become angry when you were approached that close to being on the flight there? >> yeah, i was angry. what do they need a discreet approach for? i was walking to the plane, going to take a seat and get some rest before i got home. the only discreet approach is when she came down there and told me i couldn't fly. and if they thought i had a bad attitude, well, what would anybody think? i mean, they're going to not let me fly? and then the wife and i are supposed to go home, we're stranded 2,400 miles from home. >> she flat out told you, you're not flying? >> absolutely. it isn't even a dispute. there was no offer of a seat, or anything else. >> okay. fred, let's get you in on this one. i mean, i do side with emory here in the sense, why are you

waiting that long to ask him the question? he's 10 feet or 15 feet from boarding the plane, and that's the time you're going to ask him? >> i do side with him. sometimes discretion is the better part of valor, and maybe they should have been taken it up a little bit earlier. i can tell from mr. emory he was upset. and i understand it's a he said/she said. when you travel as much as i do on the airlines, you know, the analogy i use is when your hand's in the dog's mouth, you've got to reach up and pet it. you can't become agitated. apparently other customers, other passengers were concerned about the way he handled himself. i wasn't there. i didn't see it. but if that's true, then the airlines had a right to deny him. they've had a long-standing policy -- >> let's get -- emory, were you that belligerent where you might scare some folks? >> i don't think so. i was angry. but why did i get angry? because they said i couldn't fly. it wasn't a matter of an extra

ticket. i wasn't flying, period. >> some people would have been angry because they were told they had to buy an extra ticket. southwest has had a long-standing policy. i understand mr. orto has been allowed to fly without a ticket. >> emory, do you wish you wouldn't have gotten as angry and kept your cool a little bit more? we understand the anger. but do wish in retrospect that you would have kept your cool a little bit? >> what your guest is saying, just isn't true. they didn't offer me anything. i was not flying that airplane that day. she called a supervisor. the supervisor came over and said you're not flying on this airplane today. >> okay. >> there was no talk about another ticket. no talk about anything else. >> okay. we know what could have been a four-hour flight turned into a 19-hour adventure.úx emory, thanks for being with us. fred, you as well. more coming up on phillip

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for the first time, we're hearing from the woman held prisoner for 18 torturous years. forced to bear children with her abductor. jaycee dugard now trying to adapt to a normal life, one she hasn't known since she was a child. her real family opening up now about jaycee's true feelings. a panicked call to 911, guy heinz jr. said his whole family, dead. now police say he's their only suspect in this gruesome massacre. not only that, they say he acted alone. eight people were horrifically beaten to death in a trailer home. you wonder, four of them were adult men. how did they not fight back? get away?

we'll delve into all of that and take your calls as always, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. shoot us an e-mail, cnn.com/primenews, or text us at hlntv. just start your message with the word prime. it's your chance to be heard. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com welcome once again. this is hour number two of mime news. i'm mike galanos. major development in the case of phillip garrido. the california man accused of kidnapping jaycee dugard when she was just 11 and holding her prisoner in a backyard compound for almost two decades. detectives said a bone fragment found near his home last week is most likely human. dna tests will determine the bone's age. we're hoping advanced tests can tell us that. who it might have belonged to. that poses the question, are there potentially other victims here? as always, we take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining us, dr. clarence watson, a forensic psychiatrist.

and also with us, reporter sam stanton, sacramento bee who's been covering this, doing a great job as well. sam, let's start with the news of the day. the bone fragment found. tell us what we know about it, and where it was found in relation to phillip garrido. >> our impression is it's not a large piece, but they determined yesterday apparently that it likely is human. it was found in the backyard of the home next to the garrido home in antioch. some cadaver dogs that were searching there august 30th discovered the bone fragment. and it's significant because police in the area were looking into whether garrido might be linked to the killings of young women there in the late 1990s that were never solved. garrido had access to this backyard at one point. he apparently lived in a shed there. and so the neighbor who lives in that house gave them permission to search the yard. and they turned this up. now they're going to turn it

over to the state labs to see if they can develop some dna off it. confirm that it is human, and then go from there to see if it can be linked to any other missing persons cases. >> let's talk about, sam, the history. phillip garrido, i mean, his history with that area of that home, it goes back a long way, doesn't it? >> all the way back to the early 1970s at least. >> okay. and let's refresh everybody's garrido's past, that checkered past. just horrific as we see the crimes there culminating with what he did to poor jaycee dugard. sam, what crimes are we talking about here? you and i have talked about the two missing children cases that we wonder whether or not he's involved in with eileen

mitchelloff. besides those, what other crimes are we looking at here? >> there were a number of child abductions and disappearances in northern california and in nevada in the 1990s. and jurisdictions all throughout the region are going back over their cases now, just in the outside chance that there might be something to tie garrido to some of these cases. no evidence has surfaced yet. case, they wonder what else they may have missed that may have been tied there. >> yeah. good point there. let's get a call in real quick. hey, justin, go ahead. >> caller: how's it going. love your show. >> thanks. >> caller: i was calling, i recently found out that the manager of my apartment complex was a convicted pedophile. he was convicted in like 1990 for molesting his own children. later in the early '90s, he was

a major suspect in the west smins ster 3 murders in arkansas. all of this was unknown to us at the time. and yet when the information was uncovered, it really startled us that this man had keys to our apartments. and that there were several children constantly around him that he still has children in his home. what i was wondering, because when we raised a fuss about it, we were kind of persecuted for it. what i was wondering is, has the community come forward, or expressed their concern about the situation? or have anything to do with, you know, maybe there was some flags raised that the community was aware of? and they went to the authorities and was anything done about that? >> we know of one, i believe it was 2006, one neighbor went to police and flat out said, i believe kids are living in his backyard. police never thoroughly searched the place obviously. besides that, sam stanton, what do we know about neighbors? obviously the outrage they're feeling now? >> well, the police never went into the backyard after that

call. they stayed out on the front porch talking to garrido and then left. and there were a number of instances where authorities could have tumbled to the fact that jaycee was living in that backyard, because he was supposed to be visited two or three times at his home by his parole officer. he had been paroled since 1999. prior to that, he had been under the supervision of the federal parole system. in addition to that, you had a sex offender registry team visit the home at least once. there were other calls to the area to the home in the past. and never once did they discover those tents. and in their defense, they will say that it was hidden very well, that there was a separate fence. but the neighbors clearly could see the tents from their vantage point. so it makes you wonder how this happened. >> and you and i, we had talked about it yesterday, sam, about the numbers. it's not just the past few years, we're talking about two or three visits a month for ten years. you're talking hundreds of visits. and nothing was ever uncovered. guys, we'll take a quick break. when we come back, i'll talk

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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing our conversation. new developments in the jaycee dugard case. her alleged abductor, phillip garrido, bone fragment found near his home. we'll talk about that. also, jaycee's recovery. we're hearing from family that she is so happy. it is just wonderful to hear that. there's the quote. i'm so happy. i feel so happy. before we get to jaycee, i want to get to dr. clarence watson.

when we're talking about garrido and whether or not he's involved in other crimes, we know he's a sexual deviant, a predator. do you see him as a murderer? what's the likelihood of that? >> he certainly is capable of almost anything. anyone who can kidnap a child, molest them and hold them for over 18 years, they're practically -- i would argue, capable of anything. the jury will be out at this point as to whether or not he actually is a murderer. >> roger's with us in michigan. roger, go ahead. >> caller: yes. with all the news coverage that i've seen and read in the paper and everything, have they dug under the sheds in the backyard? or under the house? or in the neighbor's yard? >> let's go to sam stanton. what do you know about that? >> they have not done an extensive excavation. they used the dogs to find that one bone fragment. but there's no sign that they have been tearing up the yards. which leads me to believe that they don't believe there's much more to be found. however, they have sealed off

his house. they've had some trespassers out there in the past week, three different incidents, but there's no massive digging going on at this point. >> as we see the pictures of not only the backyard compound, but there's jaycee when she was about 11 years old. about the time she was kidnapped. we wonder how is she doing. we showed you the quote, she's so happy. let's bring back dr. clarence watson. doctor, what's your reaction when you hear that? obviously we're overjoyed to hear that. >> yes. >> are you somewhat tempered? do you feel that those feelings of joy are going to subside at some point? what do you think she's going through? >> it's a wonderful start. but this is going to be a lifetime process. a long, long road that she has to recovery. we think about and we've talked about this earlier about the sort of trauma that she's faced when she was 11 years old, being snatched away from her family, and living in the way that she did, in isolation for so many years, this is not something that she's going to get over quickly. there certainly will be bright

spots in her time of recovery, and this time of healing. there are going to be some tough times. what it's going to rely on is the sort of strength she has within herself, the sort of resilience she has, as well as the support that she has around her. her family, friends, counselors, the community, all these things are going to be very important. but it's a long road. >> exactly. let's listen to her aunt tina describing what that reunion was like, what the emotions were. what everyone experienced. let's listen. >> jaycee remembers all of us. she is especially enjoying getting to know her little sister who was just a baby when jaycee was taken. not only have we laughed and cried together, but we've spent time sitting quietly, taking pleasure in each other's company. >> dr. watson, that does our heart good when we hear the aunt mention when they first laid eyes on each other, jaycee opened her arms and said auntie

tina. did you expect that? >> you know, i hoped for it. and this is really an the best that anyone could hope for. that the family could embrace her the way they did. because there's got to be lots of mixed feelings about what happened. as well as jaycee also embracing them as well, and trying to remember a family that, for a long time, she probably had to forget to one degree or another. so this is a wonderful start. >> yeah. it certainly is. let's get another call in. angel with us in georgia. angel, your comment or question? >> caller: hi, mike, how are you? >> good. >> caller: listen, i want to know how this child and her children lived? were they allowed to go in the main house to eat? or did they have facilities in the little thing she was in, to cook, and didn't somebody think it strange she was buying baby bottles and diapers over the

years? >> i i don't know how they ate living in a tent. that's my question. >> angel, thanks for the call. let's go back to sam stanton. did we're not getting those details yet, are we? we know there's a dresser in the tents and obviously that was a sleeping quarters. beyond that, what do we know? >> well, there were books out there, and there were toys. we know that the authorities said the first day that they basically spent the 18 years outside. we know that they weren't taken to a hospital to be born. that there's no birth certificates. so you have to assume that most of the activity for those children took place in that backyard. >> okay. guys, we have to leave it there. dr. watson, sam, appreciate it, guys. i'm sure we'll talk again soon. coming up, this story supposed to be fun. radio contests. who can chug the most water. the title of it was "hold your wee for a wii." but a young mother died of water intoxication. 28-year-old jennifer strange died hours later. finished second in that contest.

so should the radio station pay her family millions? we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back. such a tragedy here. a mother of three from california, dead, after competing in a radio station contest. her family called sadistic. the title of it was "hold your wee for a wii." contestants had to drink eight-ounce bottles of water every ten minutes. the contest was dragging so they upped it to 16-ounce bottles every ten minutes. it was too much for 28-year-old jennifer strange. she died hours after placing second in the contest. died for a couple of tickets to justin timberlake. her autopsy showed the cause was acute water intoxication. it was pretty obvious she was in pain during the stunt.

let's listen to -- this is as it's playing out on the radio. let's listen. >> my head hurts. they keep telling me that it's the water, that it will tell my head to hurt and it will make me puke. >> this is what it feels like you're drowning. there's a lot of water inside of you. >> oh, it hurts. >> i don't think that radio disk jockey knew, but that's what was going on. she was drowning. she was drinking herself to death and didn't even know it. now in court a multimillion dollar wrongful death trial is under way. prosecutors say she was the victim of the radio station's drive for ratings. the defense says the death was not predictable, not foreseeable, and says the victim must be held somewhat accountable for her actions. we'll take your calls on this at 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about it, criminal defense attorney, jennifer bonjean. and anita kay. anita, in reading through this, it sounds to me like the basis of the defense of the radio

station, they're pleading ignorance. we didn't know. >> absolutely. >> is that what you get out of it, too? i would think that's a ridiculous defense. >> absolutely. they're saying this wasn't foreseeable. we couldn't have predicted this. well, the radio station is the one who's putting on the contest. they're having people sign waivers. if they had done a little bit of research, because all you have to google is drinking too much water, and the first thing that comes up is water intoxication, and how horrible a death it is. they have a legal department. when you're having a contest, you run it by the legal department. we're putting this contest together. you put together your waivers. if they had a waiver you could die of water intoxication and people still signed up for it, that's a whole another story. here it was completely foreseeable. there have been cases where parents have been prosecuted for murder for forcing their children to drink who have died of water intoxication. there were fraternity boys who were prosecuted and pled guilty because they were forcing people to drink water.

plenty of people know about this. but the radio station, you just run it through the legal department. check it out. >> jennifer, it sounds pretty simple, if you're going to hold a contest, you better know if there's some dangers here. >> yeah, that's right. i actually have to agree. i think liability is a no-brainer here. if you will. i'm not quite certain why this case is even in court. i have no idea why this wouldn't have been settled out. except that i suppose they disagree greatly with the plaintiff about the value of the case, the value of her life. and i think that's why they're in court. i don't think liability's going to be a real disputed point at the end of the day, because for the reasons my colleague over there just stated. >> yeah. it seems pretty simple. i think, jennifer, i think you're right. anita, do you think this is something they should have settled, but they're so far apart on money that that's why they're in court? >> that has been kind of the public opinion in the area is that it should have settled. obviously this case has great jury appeal for the victim, for

the family. but on the other hand, some of these deejays involved in it, apparently they were fired. and then did file suit for wrongful termination. so my guess is the company is going to say, you know what, we're not really responsible. these people kind of did a wild card thing and did this on their own. and they may try to lay blame there with the people who aren't even working anymore saying, see, it wasn't our fault, it was their fault. >> jennifer, is that a defense? aren't you supposed to have control of your employees? >> they may try to do that. i don't think it's going to be very successful. they are ultimately responsible. they are the people who are enriching their pockets as a result of these stunts. so yeah. >> we're going to hear more of what went on in that radio show. want to hear from you as well. you know the number, 1-877-tell-hln.

>> okay. your mindset is, as adults, we make decisions. okay. i want to listen to now, because we want to know, who knew what when. who knew this could be dangerous. during the competition, a caller, a nurse called in and tried to warn everybody. saying, hey, look out. let's listen to that. >> i want to say that those people that are drinking all that water can get sick and possibly die from water intoxication. >> we're aware of that. >> they signed releases. we're not responsible. if they get to the pointed they have to throw up. if they throw up, they're out of the contest before they die. >> the more we hear this, the worse it gets for this radio station. >> oh, yeah, there goes the foreseeability argument.

there's actual admissions of knowledge that this is a possible consequence of this activity. and no, they didn't have valid waivers. therein lies the great big problem. so i think that they -- like i said, liability, i think, is a non-issue. we are all about damages in this lawsuit. >> the release form that he talked about. i believe all parties have agreed, right, anita, it was invalid, worthless? >> that's my understanding. that was taken out of it. so you completely discount that. and yeah, they could play that phone call. they could find that woman, bring her in there, and you've heard what they said, oh, yeah, we know about that. not a problem. >> let's listen. again, this is jennifer strange, the victim in all this, talking. and part of water intoxication, you begin to make bad decisions. you're taking on water in the brain basically. basically saying she couldn't drink more. let's listen. >> hello? >> jennifer, i heard you're not doing too well. >> my head hurts. they keep telling me that it's the water, that it's my -- it

will tell my head to hurt and it will make me puke. >> who told you that? the intern? >> yeah. it makes you -- it makes you hurt but it makes you lighthe lightheaded. >> this feels like you're drowning. there's a lot of water inside of you. >> it hurts. >> those deejays have to feel pretty bad now to be joking with her, knowing now that she was hours away from her own death. anita, don't you think they better stop down and settle here? i believe the family's looking at $1.5 million to $2 million. your tlots real quick? >> i think it's worth a lot more. why they're not settling, they're going to try to argue the foresee ability, shift the blame somewhere else. they don't want to take responsibility. the case could always settle at this point. it might just be getting the jurors in there. they're seeing the press. and they may buckle and say, we do need to settle this. >> okay. ore coming up.

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new out today, out of louisville, kentucky. former and current football players testified. they said coach stinson ran them hard the day a player collapsed. and later died. at least four players said coach stinson never denied them water. and their testimony could have big implications. stinson, again, charged with reckless homicide, and wanton endangerment for the death of max gilpin. 15-year-old sophomore died after collapsing during practice. his body temperature reached 107. stinson pleaded not guilty. but stands accused of pushing players past the limits. and sometimes denying them water

as punishment. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining us to talk about it, criminal defense attorney, jennifer bonjean. and prime news affiliate whas. joining us on the phone, reporter for the louisville courier journal, tony kauns. rene, i'll start with you. give us the highlights of testimony today. obviously we listened to this case. we're thinking, all right, will some players say, coach denied us water. did that happen? >> it did in a round-about way. you have players who said initially when practice was going on, they did have multiple water breaks. then when the conditioning started, those wind sprints at the end of practice, that's where things get questionable. some players said that players were not allowed to get water at that point. for every player who may say something about the harsh language that coach stinson said, on the flip side some players said they were able to sit out and given ice when they were feeling they wfr having heat exhaustion. >> toni, there's been

discrepancies, right, between player accounts? i mean, how much conditioning they did, whether or not water was denied? you don't get a consistent answer on this one, do you? >> no, you don't. it's been very inconsistent. i think that's part of what the defense obviously is trying to show with several of these player accounts. you've got literally 100 different players that were on the field at one time. some players, even with the wind sprints, the gassers they call them, some were saying as many as 20 to 30 were ran. when the defense calls their witnesses, there are going to be some that will tell them there was only 10 or 12 that were ran. >> let's listen. this is from today's testimony. this is the one player, i believe rene, you're referring to in a round-about way that the coach did deny them water. let's listen to that and we'll get our attorney jennifer bonjean in. >> did you ever try to get water? >> no, sir. >> did other players try to get water?

>> no, sir. >> did they try to get water after the sprints? >> a few. >> and was something said to them? >> yes, sir. >> what was said to them? >> he said, i didn't tell you to get water. you get water when i tell you to. >> did you try to get water at that point? >> i did. but he stopped me. >> okay. jennifer, what about that account? that the coach, you get water when i tell you is the paraphrase there. is that damning against the coach? >> listen, i think we need to back up a second. because the prosecution, first, has to show that the coach's conduct, and in this specific instance, the coach's denial of water actually caused the death of this young player. and that is largely in dispute. there's medical experts that are saying, oh, it was heatstroke, versus de hydration. there was actually, a medical expert who said, their own medical expert that they consulted said it wasn't actually dehydration.

we actually have to show it was dehydration whether or not we can say this conduct caused the death of this young man. and then the question is, whether or not that was reckless conduct. whether or not this coach basically ignored substantial and unjustifiable risks of death. it's a very high burden. i think the prosecution has a long way to go here. >> so let's parse this out. whether it's dehydration, or that the body temperature -- because the argument could be the coach-open the basic prosecution argument, the way i understand it, the coach should have known it was too hot. maybe water wasn't the answer. maybe taking off the helmets and shoulder pads would have been the answer. do we need to hear that for the prosecution to score some points? >> yes, mike, you're right. i'm not saying because it wasn't a dehydration, that he necessarily is off the hook. what i'm saying it's a harder challenge for the prosecution. because there are other contributing factors. and when you're trying to hold someone criminally responsible, you have to show that that

coach's specific acts, his conduct, what he did or what he specifically did not do actually caused the death. not that there were all these contributing factors that may have caused the death. you have to really pin it down when you're holding somebody criminal negligence. this is criminal responsibility. >> burden of proof a lot higher. let's bring back tony. when we talk about heat index, what do we know? 94 is the heat index the day of the practice. is that right? >> that's correct. it was 94 degrees that day of practice. >> was it checked periodically, or was it just -- do we know? did the coach check it as they went out to practice and that's it, or did they continue to monitor the heat index throughout practice? >> i believe it was initially only take one time. i'm not sure what time it was taken. as far as we know, it was only taken one time. >> rene murphy, what do you know about the heat index? do you agree with toni, the one

time, and 94's the number? >> from everything we have seen and heard, the heat index was 94 degrees. it was 94 degrees outside also. they take the temperature at the beginning of practice. now, when the temperature, or the heat index goes past 95 degrees, that's when a whole different set of rules apply. >> at that point you have to adjust practice, things like, unless you're involved in contact drills, you take the helmet and shoulder pads off. am i correct, rene? >> right. right. you have to take some measures to make sure that students are not getting overheated. >> toni, anything to add to that? >> yes, that's correct. coaches are actually told to err on the side of caution. with a plus or minus to that 94 degrees. >> good point there. jennifer, common sense would say -- and football-a tough game. played it, loved it, loved the hard work. but when you get to that dangerous temperature of 94, and toni's making a pointed, plus or minus one degree, you might want to begin altering practice.

does the coach lose in the common-sense area there and could that hurt him in this criminal trial? >> again, i think we're at a much higher standard than negligence or what he should have done or what common sense would have said to do. this is a reckless standard. did he ignore unjustifiable, substantial risk of death. i mean, that's a pretty high standard. and i think what really should be happening here is that criminal responsibility, to hold him criminally responsible suggests this is one abhorrent criminal act, when in fact it's a much larger issue than this. there need to be policy changes that are widespread so these things don't happen in the future. holding this one man criminally responsible simply to prove a point is not really the solution to this very serious problem. >> we do hope to learn from it, jennifer. we hope coaches can work our kids hard, but do it responsibly. jennifer, before i let you go, what do you need to hear? about 30 seconds. what do you need to hear in this case that tells you, uh-oh, coach could be in some trouble

here. >> i would need to hear that he was aware of the heat index, that he made -- maybe made comments or statements indicating his awareness and said, you know, screw it, i don't really care what's going on, these kids are going to do it. and i need to hear evidence that they were denied water, that there was maybe anger involved, that there was something more than just -- >> he was angry. >> i know. >> he was going to run them. >> we did hear that. but i think that sounds like a lot of coaches get angry. but i think we have to hear something more significant than that in order to get to this level of recklessness. >> one last thing real quick. let's go to tony konz. are there rules that state a coach needs to monitor heat index more than once? or is that just up to the coach's discretion? >> i believe it's up to the coach's discretion. i don't think there's anything in the rules that stipulate that, as far as i'm aware.

>> there should be. >> yeah, should be. if you go out to practice at 4:00, and the heat index is 94, you should check it again at 4:30, 5:00, 5:30. if that rule's not in place, the coach may not be hurt by that. guys, like to continue. want to let the viewers know, we'll continue to follow this story as we hope to learn from it. we love our football. was this coach negligent or not. it will play out as the trial continues. ladies, thanks so much. a woman kidnapped, denise lee, she was able to get her abductor's phone, call 911. there was even another 911 call, a lady pulls up next to the car where she's abducted. she's screaming for her life.er yet no one's dispatched. cops were minutes thaway. did the system fail her? we have wind. we have solar, obviously. we have lots of oil. i think natural gas is part of the energy mix of the future. i think we have the can-do. we have the capability. we have the technology. the solutions are here. we just need to find them here.

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>> heartbreaking to watch. the motherly voice there, you hear of denise lee, the young mom of two young boys kidnapped from her home. she even had the where withal to call 911 from her kidnapper's cell phone. she was raped, shot in the head and buried in a swamp last year. for the first time her husband was telling us what went wrong. denise's 911 call, one of five that day, five, and not one could save her. did the system fail her? let's bring in richelle carey with more on that. >> hey, mike. five 911 calls. nathan lee spoke on cnn's "larry king live" last night about his wife denise. last week jurors recommended her killer, michael king, get the death penalty. nathan is talking about what happened that tragic day. six hours of terror for his wife. he says the charlotte county florida sheriff's department

botched one 911 call in particular. he said there were fi. but he said there's one he really takes exception with. he said if they hadn't botched this call he wonders if denise would be alive today. let's listen to a piece of that call. >> obviously there were, you know, multiple agencies scrambling to search for denise that entire time. there were be on the lockout notices for a green camaro, and denise, and the suspect which was michael king. and they actually got a 911 call with a motorist saying she saw him in an area that was actually specific to one of the bolos. and so, i mean, they were looking for her. they finally found her. a motorist was in realtime giving cross streets of where they were. and nothing -- they never dispatched anybody. >> got a little ahead of myself, we do have the 911 call. this is the voice of one of the witnesses, jane kowalski.

her call was played during michael king's murder trial. >> there's a child in a car. between 5 and 10. and it was banging on the window. and screaming. >> and crying? >> and screaming. like screaming screaming. not a happy scream, like get me out of here scream. >> four deputies were minutes away when she made that 911 call. well, apparently it got lost in a shift change, and some other problems at the 911 center. we did try to reach out to the charlotte county sheriff's department. the office told us they don't comment on legal matters. mike? >> richelle, thanks. nathan lee plans to sue the sheriff's department to change the 911 system. we'll continue to follow that. let's face it, 911 cannot make mistakes. they have to be perfect. we'll follow that one.

police are now saying a georgia man acted alone when he killed eight people inside a trailer home. we're talking about guy heinz jr. he calls 911 saying, my whole family's dead. now he's the accused. going to bring in my colleague jane velez-mitchell to talk about that. fiber one. i'm looking for some fiber.

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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. eight people bludgeoned to death inside a south georgia mobile home. a horrific attack. new today in the case, police say the man who told 911 that his whole family's dead, is actually the killer. and acted alone. cops say 22-year-old guy heinz jr. was related to all but one of the victims. he's been charged with eight counts of murder and one count of attempted murder as a 3-year-old boy who was attacked

is still clinging to life. also still in critical condition. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about this, my colleague, jane velez-mitchell, host of "issues" with jane velez-mitchell coming your way at the top of the hour. jane, we all heard the 911 call. and let's listen to that. because here's guy heinz jr. he makes the panicked 911 call. now he's the accused. let's give that a listen and we'll go from there. >> my whole family's dead. >> okay. tell me what's going on, sir. what -- >> i just got home from -- i was out last night and i got home just now and everybody's dead. >> how many people were there? >> there's six. my whole family's dead. >> there was the call, jane. we have law enforcement on that were suspicious of that call right from the get-go. we had a guy on, steve rogers saying he thought he sounded high. do you agree with some of those assessments? >> that's the first thing that occurred to me, mike, when i heard that call, is that guy

sounds stoned or drunk. and one thing that we know, and i'm not saying he's guilty. he's just been accused of these eight horrific murders, and attempted murder of a 3-year-ol. but one thing we do know is that drugs make people capable of things that they would never be capable of sober. and committing this kind of horrific crime, it does not shock me at all if the person who did it was completely hopped up on drugs. in fact, i dare say that might be the only way that somebody could go through with something this heinous, given that this suspect, this alleged killer's own father was amongst the victims. >> father, an uncle, and a 3-year-old. it's just so bad. let's backtrack a little. when we talk about this, the guy gets arrested so you're calling in your whole family's dead, yet he gets arrested, i believe for marijuana possession, and also, that he tampered with evidence and lied. who's lying, your whole family's

dead, how do you have time to conjure up a lie here? >> well, i think what's so fascinating about all these cases is the ability of people to lie after they've committed crimes, and again, i'm not going to convict this guy. he's just been accused. but if you look at many other cases where we have it on tape, a husband crying oh, i miss my wife, then next thing you know, he's the one charged with killing her. we have so many cases where people just lie flat out and they report the crime and they go and look for the victim when they're responsible the entire time. what fascinates me is their acting ability. >> that's it. >> this is almost academy award winning stuff. >> it is. >> if you had a robert deniro doing this, you would say he's a great actor but these people out of nowhere become these great actors. fascinating. >> i know you will talk to bernie madoff's mistress. we'll be watching. on, there are

too many coaches out there that just care about the "w." they want the win. and they don't care how they do it. they want the best and they want, in my opinion, they want more out of these kids than i think is -- they are capable of giving, especially in the dead of the summer. >> we -- you're right, it is hot. we expect football coaches to test the mettle of our kids and that's fine but let's be responsible about it. i think we are more educated now. we know more. we're talking about a heat index at this practice of 94. one more degree, and you begin to change practice. so you know, that's one thing where on a common sense front, i think the coach loses out. let's get an e-mail in. anthony chiming in from nevada, writing this --

you know, you're right. i wonder what the humidity was, what the heat index was there in vegas. i'll say this. if we can measure heat index, why not continue to measure it? you measure at the beginning of practice, do it every half hour. keep the kids safe. you want to work them, go ahead. you want to run them until somebody quits, i don't have a problem with that as long as it's not heat index of 95. i think that's what we're dealing with here. let's get another call in. lori is with us in kentucky. sound off on this one. go ahead. >> caller: hi, mike. thank you for taking my call. i was wondering if the coach knew that he was taking aderal. >> i kind of lost you there. you said did the coach know he was taking aderal is that the question? we lost lori in the shuffle. all right. not sure if the coach knew or not. we need a doctor in on that, whether or not that would play into this one. we have another call real quick.

on the same topic. howard, arizona, go. >> caller: hi, mike. how you doing? >> good, howard. >> caller: we're down here in arizona and we have 110, 115 degrees, and we do monitor the kids down here very special because we know the heat can get them sometimes. >> do you have a problem with the coach here? >> caller: no, they don't. because they monitor kids and every time they go to the sideline, they tell them get water. >> okay. do you have a problem with what coach stinson did, howard? >> caller: well, i wasn't there. >> you weren't there. it is tough. >> caller: hard for me to say, judge him on that thing there. >> yeah. that's what we're learning here. we want to learn what happened at the practice and then learn from it. kudos to the coaches in arizona, who are monitoring the kids. if you're going to work them on a hot day, make sure everybody stays safe. great sound-off. last block, every show. want to hear from you. we will hear from jane velez-mitchell coming up, a couple minutes away. "issues." she will speak with, among othee

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