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a disturbing turn in the jaycee dugard case now being called out to tell the truth about her life as a secret prisoner for 18 years. an ex-con rapist accused of kidnapping her forcing her to bear two of his children hasn't she already been through enough now called out to clear somebody's name? give me a break. speak of giving me a break how about this high school coach fired for getting strippers for his underage players. nice move, coach. the girls stripped naked for a couple of 17-year-olds and he's not just going to go away. he is fighting for his job. doesn't think he should be fired. wow. call in on that one. the number 1-877-tell-hln.
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you can e-mail me cnn.com/primenews or send a text at hln tv, start injure message with the word "prime" your chance to be heard. >> controversy, opinion, your point of view. this is "prime news." >> this is "prime news". this just awful a woman is calling on kidnap victim jaycee dugard to tell the truth about her 18 years of life as a prisoner. this woman's business associate of accused captor convicted rapist phillip garrido says she's been in his home and says, from what she can tell, dugard and her two girls lived inside the home not in backyard tents or sheds as earlier reported. earlier this week authorities raided three properties owned by them apparently in a search for child porn now calling on dugard to clear her name. call in 1-877-tell-hln joining me to talk about it, dr. henry paul, adolescent psychiatrist and author.
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also with us former criminal investigators and director of defend university steve cardigan and henry lee following this since day one from the "san francisco chronicle." starting with dr. henry paul on this one, what could this lady be thinking as if jaycee dugard doesn't have anything else to be concerned about like putting her life back together. >> it would be humorous if it wasn't so ridiculous. i think she is very angry the police have investigated her house for some reason but to say something like that couldn't be further from reality to tell this woman, who we think suffers from a stockholm syndrome implying horrendous disassociation and stress disorder to tell her to come out and tell the truth is almost like a by var concept. >> yeah, it is, almost to the point of unbelieve -- the height of selfishness, right, doctor paul. >> -- her husband, himself, had
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some trouble and she feels rather violated. you know, maybe she believes because she knew the young girl, the young girls and jaycee were living with they man there, is no maybe she really doesn't understand a stockholm syndrome and the trauma this woman has undergone. >> let's listen to her. to dr. paul's point upset about what she's going through. let's listen. >> there was no reason for them to check my home out. they did take my personal computer and they said that they needed to check the youauthentiy of the pictures of jaycee dugard's daughters. >> okay. there you go, to henry lee, henry lee, "san francisco chronicle," first off, how is the community reacting to this, to this lady -- >> well, jaws -- >> -- calling out jaycee dugard. >> well, jaws have dropped completely throughout the region here in the san francisco bay area. as you know, right, what better things can jaycee be doing ton
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clear this person's name, clearly ms. moleno is upset about what happened to her and her husband, they own a wrecking yard and produce home-made raviolis at home and now the subject of law enforcement scrutiny now believe it is payback on the part of the sheriff's department who might be looking elsewhere for trying to make up for what they did not do, which is trying to rescue jaycee dugard as early as 2006. >> let's be clear here, henry lee, what did they search for, lay it out for us when they went to the home and what's the connection, how well do they know garrido? >> right. the sheriff's office is not saying why they looked into the molinos house other than that he is on probation for an unrelated offense. the molinos have worked with mr. garrido in a business sense. he would print things for them and they allowed mr. garrido to pass out religious leaflets in front of their business. so, it's very strange and, also
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keep in mind miss molino is the source of pictures of jaycee's two children, 11 and 15. their faces have been blurred out but right now whereas in the past week we did see a lot of her on tv. now she says she's received death threats and we haven't heard a peep from her the last couple of days. >> steve, why do you think authorities would zone in on the molinos? again from what we hear from reports looking for child porn here. >> yeah, mike, there's going to be a lot of looking into the background every step this child took, every contact that she had with anybody and any contact that the -- that the garridos had with anybody out in the system. and her actions are extremely from an investigative point of view, insensitive, self-serving and almost in a displacement fashion she's trying to divert the attention from her onto jaycee. >> you would think anybody who's
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been around, knows garrido, please are going to come looking and ask you questions. i would think everybody would understand that, right, steve? >> i certainly wouldn't want to align myself with garrido in any way, shape, or form at this time, mike, no way. >> exactly. henry lee, the other point molino made, saying, what, she saw jaycee and the girls not living in the backyard? how reliable is that? >> right. well, we have to go with what she says. she also says jaycee and her daughters showed up at molino's daughter's birthday party clearly where the pictures came from. it remains to be seen what kind of circumstances jaycee lived with her daughters, whether or not they were in complete captivity living in sheds and makeshift tents or whether as molino says they all lived inside the house. now, obviously regardless of where physically jaycee had been living with her kids, clearly this was a situation that amounts to, according to the
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authorities, kidnapping for 18 years. >> yeah, it was a living hell, regardless of whether they were let out for a party every now and again. back to dr. henry paul. henry, as this plays out and the care that jaycee and her little girls are getting is there any way she would know about this? you really have to shield her and the daughter from any news coverage or anything like this, right. >> well, yes. this is extremely important that these children and the mother not be exposed. i understand the talk shows are trying to get her on, probably magazines are going to lure her or seduce her for her story. there could be nothing worse for her therapycly. the most important thing she get in a therapeutic relationship and the family receive therapy. the prognosis of the stockholm syndrome is not great to be with. but going on 18 years -- inconsequential where she was living -- it doesn't matter if she's even walking around town
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it is an emotional internal thing but now to be exposed to anything would be the worries thing in a situation where the prognosis is already somewhat in doubt. >> henry lee let's end with you. update when they will be back in court. coming soon, right. >> right. they will be back in court monday, the garridos in el do regard do county in placerville where we'll see what happens. >> that's where the kidnapping originally took place back in 1991. thanks so much. dr. henry paul, henry lee, steve cardigan, we appreciate it guys. coming up just learning a missing woman yale graduate student soon to be bride wrote an article about crime seven months ago, how to be safe on campus now she has vanished thing that one is baffling everyone.
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welcome back. two days before her dream wedding still no sign of an energetic bride-to-be learning from her close friends she was worried about her smaller size would make her an easy target for crime 4'11", grad students at yale recently written an article about crime and ways to protect yourself. we know she was last seen on surveillance camera tuesday entering a building on campus. and that's it. that's the last she was seen. also this just in to us yale university offering a $10,000 reward for information leading to her whereabouts. joining us to talk about it, rocky twaun a close friend and mentor to her and thomas kaplan, editor in cheel "yale daily
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news" and again steve cardigan. thomas starting with you, any new leads trying to find annie? >> right now the same story as the past couple of days the fbi still searching the research facility where she was last seen but at this point in suspects, leads or indication of foul-play. >> investigators searched her apartment, right? >> that is true, yesterday. >> did they tip you off as to what they might be looking for? >> we don't know. there's just been a report over the wires that they've searched her computer to try to get some idea of what might have happene but it's unclear whether there was anythingú found either the or in the apartment that was of interest. >> as always, we take your calls if you have comments or interest. steve, as an investigator searching her apartment what are you looking for, what clues do you need there? >> first thing they will try to rule out anything of a criminal nature and haven't as of yet and will look at her computer, her phone records. they are going to look at anything in terms of her recent
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contact or prior contact with anyone. if this were some sort of a cold feet runaway bride situation, she couldn't have pulled this off without assistance. they will be looking for that and a direction to go in, any criminality, anybody stocking with her or she may have had problems with in the past. >> let's bring in a friend and mentor to annie le. as we try and figure this one out, from what you know of her, what should be the type of person to run a few days before her wedding? do you suspect foul play, what you are seeing? >> that would be highly inconsistent with what i know of annie. she's always a go-getter, very positive in all her thinking and work and research in the lab. so, i cannot see that happen. >> okay. from what you -- rocky, to your understanding was she excited about the wedding? it was all systems go?
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>> the times i've talked to her, she was -- she's always very excited about this upcoming great thing and she tells everybody about all the exciting things that's going on. she was ecstatic when she got her engagement ring. from everything that i hear and -- and i haven't talked to her for quite a few months but last time i spoke to her, certainly she was very excited about it. >> okay. we have a few facebook comments from annie. it all goes, all fits together with what we're saying here, september 6th, less than one week until the big day exclamation point back-track to august 31st, 13 days until the wedding an excitement there and this is almost heartbreaking le posting she was lucky i'm love with my best friend. thomas kaplan, i'm sure as you've covered this so closely people have asked that question, has anyone said maybe she might have run because everything
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we're seeing here that's not the case. >> yeah. i mean that's what's so confusing about this, in talking to her friends and co-workers, one thing abund dentally clear she seemed very, very excited about the wedding. she had been planning it for a year and had been writing the past couple months on her facebook page about the preparations and was absolutely giddy, that's why it is just so puzzling, the thought she would run away. >> okay. let's take a quick break. when we come back she wrote an article about staying safe on campus. was she worried that she could be a victim of crime? gecko: uh, you wanted to see me sir?
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welcome back to "prime news" on hln continuing our conversation about a baffling case a grad student at yale basically just vanished using her student i.d. to swipe into a building about 10:00 a.m. tuesday, the last she was seen,
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set to get married sunday. to the phones, melody from ohio, your comment or question? >> caller: my question being with the phone records is it showing when the last time was that she had spoken with her boyfriend or were they fighting or anything of that nature before this? thank you. >> yeah, thanks for the question. thomas kaplan, following this one editor-in-chief "yale daily news" what do we know about the relationship any issues coming into the final week before the wedding? >> well, we have not heard from the fiance throughout this process but have been assured by the university that he is cooperating with the investigation and we were told yesterday he is not seen as a suspect or having any involvement in the disappearance. >> there you go, steve, our investigator. he's cooperating. how much do you dig in on him or need to question him. >> well, mike, we know most crimes are perpetrated by persons we know, including kidnappings, homicides, so they are going to look at everybody and anybody close to her. and could i make a quick comment about her article? her article, i lecture across
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the country at colleges and campus safety sexual assault and it almost was that her article was a story that she was telling. based upon her experience. >> let's read a couple excerpts from that, steve. here it, is part of the article says this, most students are all too familiar with e-mails with the subject message from chief details the latest robbery. what can one do to avoid becoming another unnamed victim in these e-mails. another portion says this, in short, new haven is a city and all cities have their perils, but with a little street smarts one can avoid becoming yet another statistic. back to her friend and mentor rocky tuan, was she worried about becoming a victim? >> i remember very well several years ago when she was in the process of applying for a ph.d. program and was a very good student, of course, great records and so she got into many programs and we kind of sat
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there and kind of compare notes say, oh, this school is great,  program's great.ú and which one should i go to?ú and we, of course, yale was her number one choice.ú and -- and we did kind of talk  about, well, you know, i said,  well, did you visit the campus? oh, i had a great time but, uh, the area was not necessarily in the best part of town. but, that's true for a lot of the schools. yale is not unique in that. >> right. >> so, she talked about but she never show any concern or anything. and she basically said, oh, i can deal with this kind of thing. >> so, no fear out of the ord naesh b ordinary but definitely in her thought process. steve, do you see her as fearful or just vigilant, your thoughts? >> i see that as her telling a story and i believe she had experience with negative
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incidents on campus, which is a cloe closed communities. it is easy to track people, yale university is a very good university and police force very good but anytime you have that large a group of people in that small a community in that densely populated of an area there are things that occur in the negative snents way of crime. >> thomas, i've got to ask you this and steve mentioned at the get-go here did annie have any kind of trouble with an ex-b ex-boyfriend, stalker anything like that? >> we have been told by one of her professors she definitely did have concern about safety definitely would be the type wh always be sure to tell people ú where she was going just becaus of that concern.ú she is a sort of diminutive of stature and i think she thought she could be a victim in that regard. >> okay. nothing specific but safety concerns. we'll continue to follow this one. guys, thanks so much. more "prime news" coming up. stay with us. kardian.
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what do you make of this woman could be helping him here do you think she's a hostage or the bonnie and clyde type accomplice? >> given chad's background it could be either/or. we have some women that like to attach themselves to criminals because they see it as a thrill, excitement, a very dangerous man, he's got an extreme history in terms he's got a previous burglary/robbery, resisting arrest and he's a very dangerous man so she's in danger regardless whether she's a cooperative or not. >> let's delve in to more of that. i had a chance yesterday a fascinating conversation talked to a former bank robber a guy by the name of joe loya and he talked about the high of the crime. let's listen. >> it's a sexy crime.
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when i -- when i committed it, i felt powerful, i was getting paid for it. it's thrilling. it's an adrenaline rush. >> steve, okay, that's to your point do you think that's what we have here with shaffner, possibly this woman the thrill of the crime? >> it could be. either way, mike, she could possibly be a hostage. unlikely i would lean more towards that she's a cooperative at this point. >> okay. let me ask you a base question then we'll move on here. i mean, we see the face, we know the name. why so hard to catch this guy? what do you think's going on here? >> he's an attention seeker, a thrill seeker. he knows if he gets caught, he's going back in and based on his behavior, the way he is displaying that weapon the way he has no fear of showing his face, i fear that when law enforcement catches up with him and confronts him there's going to be a gun battle or suicide by cop, if you will. >> he hasn't been violent yet, no one's been hurt but you think that's coming, fearful that's coming, huh? >> i feel that's coming based
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upon the behavior he's exhibited to this point just because he hasn't used the gun doesn't mean he won't use the gun. >> real quick on that point let's listen to the chief of police in caseyville, illinois talking about his concerns about how violent mr. schaffner could become. let's listen. >> obviously he's a huge threat to the public. and he's an armed safety threat. so, we want everyone to take -- >> there you have it. well put there. what do you make of his possibly casing a son kreenience store, is that normal for bank robbers to branch out and rob whomever, whenever. >> sure that's their m.o., he will case any soft target he sees available, banks are soft targets, and con veeience stores are, that's what he is aiming  for. >> appreciate your insights. we'll keep following this. how about this story a high school coach fired trying to do something nice for his players, hired strippers for them, wanted to be the cool coach. he was fired.
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welcome back. can't believe this one, this one is wrong on so many levels high school coach in albuquerque accused of hiring strippers for 17-year-old players. he's been fired. at least he fessed up. reports say he admitted he was just trying to be cool. paid for the quote/unquote eye candy with his personal credit card. give me a break. coach says, it was supposed to be harmless fun. he expected the women to strip down to their bikinis but some players say they were completely naked. what do you suspect? now the coach hired a lawyer and will fight for his job. want to hear from you on this one 1-877-tell-hln is the
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number. joining us to talk about it will webber, sports writer for the "albuquerque journal" and -- criminal defense and former prosecutor and dave bowman from our affiliate krqe. dave starting with you, coach is with a couple players in denver and then it's stripper time. tell us what happened. >> well, what happened he brought the players up for a camp that showcases their skills to pro and college scouts. he says that the players were bugging him about taking them to a strip club. they are 17.5 years old. what he did, instead, after he says they continued to bug them is he went to the phone book, got exotic dancers and paid about five hundred bucks to bring them to the hotel room and he thought they were just going to strip to their bikinis, likening it to an office party retirement party. he didn't think they were strip all the way down. it was kept a secret about a year but what happens in denver doesn't necessarily stay in denver. word got out.
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and the story broke. >> there you go. well put on that front. here's the statement from the coach. he said i made a mistake, i shouldn't have hired these dancing girl for these guys and i did. you work for 25 years, you make one poor decision one night of your life and it ruins everything. well, when you work and you work with our kids as a mentor an influence on our kid, yeah, one decision should get you fired. mark, will he have any success fighting for his job? hopefully not, but go ahead. >> he will not, no. it is clearly within their discretion to fire him. not just because it was one poor decision but it was a clause sal, horrible decision. when you hire cinnamon, amber, toiletta and fallopia to bond with your teammates and they give massages apparently giving back rubs to these kids you have stepped over the line so much. mike, they gave him the
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opportunity to retire. his poor judgment continued because he didn't realize this was a gift. he should have walked away and now bye-bye. >> exactly. wil webber, why does coach think he can fight and keep his job? >> he's about a year and a half away from his pension so he's fighting -- >> ohhh. >> he's got two years until retired. i think that's what he's going after but when you make a mistake you make a mistake but i found it interesting in his interrogation with the police department, he compared himself essentially to bill clinton and rick patino who have gone through a lot and maintained their jobs and came out the other side, got a second chance. >> wow. >> he's not going to get a second chance . >> no, no, he shouldn't. >> can't take the chance, no. in the next year, if they encourage him to do like beer funneling or play beer pong or get tattoos or go to prostitutes he will really want to bond with them. you can't take the risk with a guy with this psychology, you really can't. >> what parent at that high school will trust him from here
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on out. he's done. lisa from texas, go ahead. >> caller: yeah. well, what right does the coach have breaking to peer pressure if the parents have to worry about peer pressure from the kids enough? why should he think that, you know, it's all right for him to hire strippers? >> it is unconscionable. will, real quick on his history, has he had any missteps in the past? i mean, how old is this guy? >> he's 44 and has been the coach of this school, this would have been his 12th season a guy whos what won four state championships. this guys got a great track record and as far as i know never been this trouble. he admitted during his interrogation at times he's talked to players who had a few drinks and actually caught a couple guys smoking pot but never admitted to buying exotic dancers for his players. what is interesting if he wanted
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to be a cool guy, this isn't a 22-year-old out of college. >> exactly. >> also i don't buy this he paid five hundred dollars and thought they would only go to their bathing suits? take them to beach. 500 bucks, i don't think so. not that i know, i'm just saying. >> carol, your comment or question? >> caller: i don't understand this coach. how he is going to hire a lawyer. i have three boys now, three goen men now, they are gone. they played football in college -- i mean, yeah, in college and in high school and how's he going to hire strippers and -- and -- and do this for these guys, these football players and then try to get a lawyer to get his job back? that's ridiculous. >> it is absolutely ridiculous. back to dave bowman. dave, what are parents saying? i couldn't imagine being a dad and hearing this coach pulled this bone-headed move. >> well, there were two parents
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two, sets of parents, if you will. one parent actually the single parent of one player was outraged when he found out he really got the ball rolling and actually confronted him and said, you need to do what's right saying he wanted him to step down in a week, when the news broke out and never really had the chance. however, the parents of the other player said in the testimony they didn't want to talk too much about it. they said what happened was wrong but that the coach should not pay for it by losing his job. and so, they're defending him in a sense, not defending his actions but they think having him lose his job is a bit extreme here. >> right. well, it sounds mark and i are of one accord. this is a colossal mistake. he should lose his job period and thankfully doesn't seem to have a leg to stand on. guys, we've got to run. reappreciate it. coming up chris brown beating his former girlfriend we covered extensively. the case brought a disturbing trend to the forefront
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african-american women reporting so many more cases of domestic violence than other racial groups. we want to know why is this happening? that's coming up also this the odds were against alex griffith when he made it out of a russian orphanage and now raised thousands of dollars to help kids there. he's our latest "high row of the week." >> i was abandoned at hospital number 20 at birth. i was adopted at 11.5 months old. >> for the first time we saw alex, he had rick kets and you what malnourished fell in love with him immediately. there's my son. let's go home, son. >> high school number 20 gave me a chance to survive and i wanted to give something back. i'm alex griffen and -- at the hospital where i was adopted from. i've been a boy scout for five years. i wanted to build a play ground for my eagle project.
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hospital number 20 had a -- a wooden seat and sandbox which actually saturated because of all the rain. we had to design the play ground. these are the double glide slide, the play world then followed over to build it. volunteers from all over the world helped to build this playground. all of us adopted from russia have not been -- will never for forget. >> translator: i like this playground because when you slide on it all the sadness goes away. >> makes him very proud. >> -- anything is possible if you don't give up. >> just made me really happy just being here, that's all i can say.
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singer chris brown has been ordered to clean up graffiti and trash as community service for beating up his former girlfriend ree hanna putting the spotlight on a bigger issue. it is explained in our weekly feature "what matters". >> mike, the bigger problem you are referring to african-american women in abusive relationships, domestic violence is 25% hire for black women than white women. which begs the question, why is it so prevalent? randy kay from our sister network cnn went looking for answers. >> reporter: this woman lived a nightmare for six long years. day in and day out, she was abused by her husband, emotionally, physically and sexually. >> he would want to have sex and i'd say no and then i would have to -- i would say fight for my life to try and keep him from raping me.
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>> reporter: like so many women, she stayed in the relationship. she had four children and wanted to keep her family together. how bad did it get? >> after i left him, he took a crowbar and he broke into the house and i was asleep and, when i woke up, he was standing at the door with the crowbar and he said i should hit you with this. >> reporter: she never reported her husband's abuse and he was never arrested or charged, which is why we're not identifying her. help me understand why you didn't go to the police. >> for an african-woman to call the police on an african-american man, it would be like sinning another brother to jail, to prison. and not believing that they would get the right treatment from the police. >> reporter: that statement might sound bizarre to some but it's not uncommon in the african-american community and experts say it makes a bad problem worse. just how prevalent is domestic violence among african-american women? a study by the department of justice from 2001 to 2005 found
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domestic abuse among black women 25% hire than white women. in fact, it was higher than women of all other races except native americans. ruth slaughterers has worked with survivors of domestic violence more than 30 years, mainly in the african-american community. women say in abusive relationships, she says, because they're in denial. >>'s going to get better. um, it's only this one time. and when he apologizes and says that he's sorry, you hope that this'll be the last time and you believe him. >> -- supposed to be the strong, you know, women able to bear anything. that's one of the reasons that we endure the abuse more -- well, reported abuse more than others because we're trying to protect ourselves and we're trying to protect the african-american community. >> reporter: in the celebrity case of chris brown and his
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girlfriend rihanna, police brown say he shoved her head against the passenger window and continued to punch her in the face, even threatened to kill her. brown pleaded guilty and publicly apologized in this video posted on youtube. >> -- and i'm telling you today that i'm truly, truly sorry. >> reporter: but sentenced to probation and community service for doing this to a woman this victim says sends the wrong message. >> the whole problem is a lack of accountability. that's not enough accountability and responsibility for him. i think the message needs to be a little stronger. >> reporter: this woman eventually got the message. she divorced her abuser and today counsels other women who are in abusive relationships trying to stop the violence, trying to end the denial. randi kaye, cnn, los angeles. for more of what matters,
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welcome back it "prime news" a clash of experts in the trial of a former high school football coach outside of louisville kentucky, the coach accused of denying players water during a punishing practice last year and charged in the death of 15-year-old max gilpin. experts have been at odds whether dehydration played a factor. one said max was adequately
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dehydrated and another said he needed a gallon of fluid when he arrived at the hospital. prosecutors could rest as early as monday. we know there was a 94 degree heat index the day of the practice. max collapsed, body temperature at least 107. he died three days later if the coach is convicted he's looking at years behind bars. back us with criminal defense attorney former prosecutor mark eiglarsh. tony, what was the big news today, the corner testified right? >> the corner testified and also three more parents testified one who basically, the last parent -- said that he basically told the boy who quit the team that day he congratulated him and -- but said he actually hollered toward the coach that day and wanted to know his name and told stinson that he was
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watching. >> okay. let's listen to that. again to be clear this is someone who came i believe to watch a soccer game at an adjacent field and turned around and began paying attention to c of the kids who quit the team. >> i congratulated the child for quitting the team. i said, you did the right thing. he was abusing you boys. i said, you're the only man out on that field. thank you, son. thank you for quitting. >> okay. there's passionate testimony there. mike eiglarsh, this is a person who was watching the soccer game. how important is that in this trial? >> compelling testimony against him. he actually goes on further and talks about how he saw this kid being run around, wobbly legs. he looked dehydrated and he was concerning the coach kept riding him harder and harder. very compelling testimony. >> let's listen to a little more of that. this is a gentleman watching the
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practice. and talking about basically some of the abuse he saw. let's listen. >> i didn't know who it was. i hollered, what's that coach's name that's abusing you boys. i pointed at hum. i was hoping to draw his attention that i was watching him. >> mark, someone who's a bystander like this, not a parent. a bystander who all of a sudden becomes invested. can that really be used to convict the coach down the road? >> the answer is yes. it's very compelling. these people look at him as one of them. and it could have a dreadful effect for sure. >> all right. guys, we're going to take a quick break. when we come back, more on this trial. we'll delve a little bit further into the coroner's testimony who originally ruled max's death a horrible accident. but he changes his mind. for all the moments that make every day special.
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you've got coroner report, and that's what's used in trial, not the other way around, right? >> unbelievably unusual that a coroner's watching this trial. but look, i give him credit, he wants to hear all the testimony before he makes his decision. and some of the stuff that he's hearing is compelling. you've got one doctor saying he was underhydrated. another one saying he was overhydrated. they're pointing the finger toward us. as defense lawyers we call that reasonable doubt. i think the jurors are going to like this guy as a person, unlike casey anthony, i think they could use that as reasonable doubt. >> sounds like you're saying the prosecution has got their work cut out for them to get a conviction. >> for sure, primarily, because he's got the likability factor.
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jurors know he's a decent person. he ran a very strenuous training that day. no one's denying it. he probably should have done things differently for sure. but do they want to send him to prison, mike? i don't know. i don't think so. >> exactly. okay. we're going to continue to follow this story. we watch on so many levels, what could be the repercussions on high school football. we want to learn from this. and not make the same types of mistakes. toni, mark, we appreciate it. we want to pause and represent september 11th. remember the 2,752 people killed eight years ago. >> eight septembers have come and gone. nearly 3,000 days have passed. almost one for each of those taken from us. >> john charles jenkins. >> joseph jenkins jr. >> and my father, stephen
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hoffman. even though i knew you only a few years, it feels like so much more. you're an inspiration to all of us. your light will always be shining down from heaven. i love you, and i miss you, daddy. >> and my husband. >> firefighter matthew bars. >> and my son. >> and my brother, matthew j. burke, we love you, matty, whether it's eight years or 800 years, you will never be forgotten. >> you continue to live your life like it's september 10th, 2001. that their actions didn't go in vain. >> let us renew the true spirit of that day. not the human capacity for evil, but the human capacity for good.
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with an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan... insured by united healthcare insurance company. call now for youfree information kit... and medicare guide and find out... how you could start saving. disturbing turn in the jaycee dugard case. she's now being called out to tell the truth about her life as a secret prisoner for 18 years. an ex-con rapist kidnapping her, forcing her to bear two children. now she's called out to clear somebody's name. give me a break. how about this high school coach. fired for getting strippers for his underage players. nice move, coach. the girls stripped naked for a couple of 17-year-olds. and he's not just going to go away. he is fighting for his job. doesn't think he should be fired. wow. call in on that one. the number, 1-877-tell-hln.
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you can e-mail me, cnn.com/primenews. or send us a text at hlntv, all you have to do is start your message with the word prime. it's your chance to be heard. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. a woman is asking for jaycee dugard to tell the truth about her 18 years of life as a prisoner. a business associate of the accused captor, phillip garrido. she said she's been in garrido's home and from what she can tell jaycee and the two girls lived in the house. authorities raided three properties owned by malynno and her husband, and now she's calling on dugard to clear her name. call in, the number 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about it, dr. henry paul, adolescent
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psychiatrist and author. also with us, former criminal investigator, and director of defend university, steve kardian. joining us from "san francisco chronicle," henry lee. he's been following this one since day one. i've got to start, though, with dr. henry paul on this one. doctor, what could this lady be thinking? as if jaycee dugard doesn't have anything else to be concerned about, like putting her life back together. >> it would be humorous if it wasn't so ridiculous. i think she's very angry the police haven't investigating her house for some reason. but to say something like that couldn't be further from reality, to tell this woman who we think suffers from a stockholm syndrome, which implies a tremendous degree of disassociation and stress disorder, to tell her to come out and tell the truth, almost like a bizarre concept. >> yeah, it is. almost to the point of unbelievability. the height of selfishness, right, doctor? >> yes. i think it's defensive. from what i understand, she, her
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husband himself had some trouble. and she feels rather violated. maybe she believes, because she knew the young girl, the young girls and jaycee were living with this man, maybe -- there's no maybe, she really doesn't understand what a stockholm syndrome is and the trauma this woman has undergone. >> let's listen to her. again, to dr. paul's point, upset about what she's going through. let's listen. >> there was no reason for them to check my home out. they did take my personal computer and they said that they needed to check the authenticity of the pictures of jaycee dugard's daughters. >> there you go. let's go to henry lee, "san francisco chronicle." henry, first off, how is the community reacting to this lady calling out jaycee dugard? >> well, jaws have dropped completely throughout the region here in san francisco bay area. as you know, right, what better things can jaycee be doing to
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clear this person's name. clearly miss moleno is very upset about what happened to her and her husband. they own a wrecking yard. they take care of -- or they produce homemade raviolis at home. now they are the subject of law enforcement scrutiny. they believe now it's payback on the part of the sheriffs department, who might be looking elsewhere for trying to make up for what they did not do. which is trying to rescue jaycee dugard as early as 2006. >> let's be clear here, henry lee. what did they search for? lay it out there for us. what's the connection? how well does she know garrido, or her and her husband know garrido? >> the police are not saying why they looked into his house, except that her husband was wanted on an unrelated offense. mr. garrido would print things for them. and they allowed mr. garrido to pass out religious leaflets in front of their business.
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so it's very strange. and also keep in mind, miss molino has pictures of jaycee's two pictures. their faces have been blurred out. but right now, whereas in the past week, we did see a lot of her on tv. now she said she's received death threats. >> let's go to steve kardian, former criminal investigator. why do you think the authorities would zone in on the mo lynn ohs? from what we're hearing from reports, looking for child porn here. >> there's going to be a lot of looking into the background every step that this child took, every contact that she had with anybody, any contact that the garridos had with anybody out in the system. and her actions are extremely -- from a criminal investigator point of view -- insensitive, self-serving and displacement faction. she's trying to divert the attention from her onto jaycee.
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>> do you think anybody who's been around, knows garrido, police are going to come looking. they're going to ask questions. i think everybody would understand that, right, steve? >> i certainly wouldn't want to align myself with garrido in any way, shape or form at this time, mike. >> henry lee, let's get to the other point that molino made. she is saying, what, that she saw jaycee and the girls not living in the backyard?pp how reliable is that? >> well, we have to go with what she says. she also says that jaycee and her two daughters showed up at molino's daughter's birthday party. clearly that's where those pictures came from. it remains to be seen what kind of circumstances jaycee lived with her daughters, whether or not they were in complete captivity, living in sheds and makeshift tents, or whether as molino says, they lived inside the house. obviously regardless of where physically jaycee had been living with her kids, clearly this was a situation that
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amounts to, according to the authorities, kidnapping for 18 years. >> yeah. it was a living hell regardless of whether they were let out for a party every now and again. let's go back to dr. henry paul. henry, as this plays out and the care that jaycee and her little girls are getting is there any way she would know about this? you really have to shield her and the daughters from any kind of news coverage, anything like this, right? >> yes. this is extremely important that these children and the mother not be exposed. i understand that the talk shows are trying to get her on, probably magazines are going to try to lure her or seduce her with money for a story. there could be nothing worse for her. the important thing is she get into a supportive therapeutic relationship. the prognosis with the stockholm syndrome is not good to begin with. it's inconsequential what part of the property she was on. because she developed this irrational bond to the kidnapper. it's not whether she's walking
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around town. to now be exposed to anything would be the worst thing in a situation with a prognosis is already somewhat in doubt. >> henry lee, let's wrap it up with you. update us on when phillip and nancy garrido are going to be back in court. >> back in court monday. garrido's in el dorado county in placerville, where we'll see what if anything happens whether the criminal proceedings move forward. >> again, el dorado county, that's where the kidnapping originally took place back in 1991. thanks so much. dr. henry paul, henry lee, steve kardian, we appreciate it, guys. coming up, we're just now learning that a missing woman, yale graduate, student, soon-to-be bride, wrote an article about crime just seven @ months ago about how to be safe on campus. now she has vanished. and this one is baffling everyone. ÷@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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welcome back. two days before her dream wedding, still no sign of an energetic bride-to-be. we're now learning from annie le's close friends that she was worried her small size would make her a target for crime. she had recently written an article about crime and ways to protect yourself. we know she was last seen on surveillance camera tuesday entering a building on campus. that's it. that's the last she was seen. also this just in to us. yale university offering a $10,000 reward for information leading to her whereabouts. joining us to talk about it, rocky twon, le's close friend, a mentor to her. thomas caplan, editor in chief, yale daily news. and steve kardian, criminal
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investigator. thomas, let's start with you. any new leads on trying to find annie? >> right now it's been the same story as the past couple of days. the fbi is still searching the research facility where she was last seen. at this point, no suspects, no leads, no indication of foul play. >> okay. investigators searched her apartment, right? >> that is true, yesterday. >> did they tip you off as to what they might be looking for? >> we don't know. there's just been a report over the wires that they've searched her computer to try to get some idea of what might have ú happened.ú it's unclear whether there was  anything found either there or  in the apartment that was of interest. >> we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. let's bring in steve kardian. steve, as an investigator, you're searching her apartment. what are you looking for? what clues do you need there? >> mike, first thing they're going to try to rule out anything of a criminal nature. and they haven't as of yet. they're going to look at her computer, phone records, they're going to look at anything in terms of her recent contact, or
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prior contact with anyone. if this were some sort of a cold feet runaway bride situation, she couldn't have pulled this off without assistance. they're going to be looking for that. they'll be looking for a direction to go in. they're going to look for any criminality, neighbor stalking her, anybody she's had a problem with in the fast, including co-workers and students. >> rocky, friend, mentor to annie le. rocky, as we try and figure this one out, from what you know of annie, would she be the type of person to run a few days before her wedding? do you suspect foul play? what are you seeing, rocky? >> that would be highly inconsistent of what i know of annie. she's always a go-getter, very positive in all her thinking, and work in research in the lab. so i cannot see that happen. >> from what -- rocky, to your understanding, was she excited about the wedding? all systems go, right?
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>> the times that i talked to her, she was -- she's always very excited about this upcoming great thing. and she tells everybody about all the exciting things that are going on. she was ecstatic when she got her engagement ring. from everything that i hear, and i haven't talked to her for quite a few months, but the last time i spoke to her, certainly she was very excited about it. >> we have a few facebook comments from annie. it all fits together with what we're seeing here, september 6th, less than one week until the big day. exclamation point. back track to august 31st, 13 days to the wedding. there was excitement there. this is almost heartbreaking. le posting she was lucky, i'm in love with my best friend. thomas caplan, i'm sure as you've covered this so closely, people have asked that question. has anyone said, maybe she might have run? because everything we're seeing
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here, that's not the case. >> yeah. that's what's so confusing about this. in talking to her friends and talking to her co-workers, it's been a bun danltly clear she seemed very, very excited about the wedding. she had been planning it for a year. she had been writing for the past couple months on her facebook page about the preparations. and just was absolutely giddy. that's why it's so puzzling, the thought that she would run away. >> guys, let's take a quick break. when we come back, annie wrote an article about staying safe on campus. was she worried that she could be a victim of crime? @@@@@@@@@@@
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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. we'll continue our conversation about a baffling case. a grad student at yale, annie le, basically just vanished. she used her student i.d. to enter a building at 10:00 a.m. on tuesday.
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she was set to get married on sunday. melody is with us in ohio. melody, your comment or question? >> caller: my question being, with the phone records, is it showing the last time was she had spoken with her boyfriend, or were they fighting or anything of that nature before this? thank you. >> yeah, thanks for the question. let's go to thomas kaplan, were there any issues coming into the final week before the wedding? >> we have not heard from the fiance throughout the process. but we have been assured by the university that he is cooperating with the investigation. and we were told that he is not seen as a suspect or having involvement in the disappearance. >> there you go, steve, as our investigator, fiance cooperating. how much do you dig in on him? how much do you need to question him? >> mike, we know that most crimes are perpetrated by persons that we know. including kidnappings, including homicides. so they are going to look at everybody and anybody that was close to her. and could i make a quick comment about her article. her article, i lecture across
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the country at colleges and campuses, on campus safety and sexual assault. it was almost as if her article was a story that she was telling. based upon her experience. >> let's read a couple excerpts from that, steve. here it is. part of the article says this, most students are all too familiar with ervgs mails with the subject, message from chief perrotti detailing the latest robbery. what can one do to avoid becoming another unnamed victim in these e-mails? in short, new haven is a city, and all cities have their perils. but with a little street smarts, one can avoid becoming yet another statistic. we hope and pray she has not become a statistic here. let's go back to her friend and mentor, rocky. was she worried about becoming a victim? >> i remember very well several years ago when she was in the process of applying for a ph.d. program, and she was a very good student. of course, great records. so she got into many programs. and we kind of sat there and
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kind of compared notes said, oh this school is great, this ú program's great.ú and which one should i go to.ú and we, of course, yale was her number one choice.ú and we did kind of talk about,  well, you know, did you visit ú the campus at all?ú i had a great time.ú but the area was not necessaril in the best part of town. but that's true for a lot of schools. yale was not unique in that. so she talked about it. but she never showed any concern or anything. and she basically said, oh, i can deal with this kind of thing. >> no fear out of the ordinary, but definitely was in her thought process, she was choosing a school. steve, let's get back to you, as the investigator, your thoughts on that article? and the excerpts we read there? do you see her as fearful or just vigilant? what are your thoughts? >> i see that she was telling a story. i believe she probably had some experience with some negative incidents on campus. the campus is a closed
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community. and it's very easy to track people. there is crime that occurs. yale university is a great university. their police force is very good. but anytime you have that large a group of people in that small a community, in that densely populated of an area, there are things that do occur in a negative sense in the way of crime. >> thomas, i've got to ask you this. steve had mentioned it at the get-go here. does -- or did annie have any kind of trouble with an ex-boyfriend, stalker, anything at all like that? >> well, we haven't heard anything like that thus far. but what we have been told by one of her professors is that she definitely did have concerns about safety, definitely would be the type who would always be sure to tell people where she was going, just because of that concern. she's sort of a diminutive in stature. she thought she could be a sick tim in that regard. >> nothing specific, but safety@ concerns. we'll continue to follow this one. guys, thanks so much. more "prime news" coming up.
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former criminal investigator, director of defend university. what do you make of this, a woman could be helping him here? do you think she's a hostage, or the bonny and clyde type accomplice? >> given chad's background, it could be either/or. we have some women that like to attach themselves to criminals, because they see it as a thrill, as an excite. he's a very dangerous man. he's got an extreme history in terms, he's got a previous burglary/robbery, resisting arrest. and he's a very dangerous man. she's in danger regardless of whether she's cooperating or not. >> let's delve a little bit more in that. i talked to a former bank robber, a guy by the name of joe loya, and he talked about the high of the crime. let's listen. >> it's a sexy crime.
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when i committed it, i felt powerful. i was getting paid for it. it's thrilling. it's an adrenaline rush. >> steve, that's to your point, do you think that's what we have with shafner and possibly this woman, the thrill of the crime? >> it could be. either way, mike, she could possibly be a hostage. unlikely, i would lean more towards she's a cooperative at this point. >> let me ask you a base question, then we'll move on here. we see the face. we know the name. why so hard to catch this guy? what do you think's going on here? >> he's an attention seeker. he's a thrill seeker. he knows if he gets caught, he's going back in. based on his behavior, the way he's displaying that weapon the way he has, no fear of showing his face, i fear when law enforcement does catch up with him and confront him, that there's going to be a gun battle, or suicide by cop, if you will. >> he hasn't been vie leapt yet. no one's been hurt. you think that's coming? you're fearful that's coming? >> i feel that's coming based on the behavior he has exhibited up
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to this point just because he hasn't used a gun doesn't mean he won't use a gun. >> let's listen to the chief of place in caseyville, illinois, talking about his concerns about how violent mr. schaffner could become. >> obviously he's a huge threat to the public. and he's an armed safety threat. we want everyone to take caution. >> there you have it. pel put there. what do you make of him possibly casing a convenience store? >> it's his m.o., if he needs the money, wants the money, he's going to case any soft target he sees available. banks are soft target. convenience stores are soft targets. that's what he's aiming for. >> there you have it. steve, appreciate it.÷ thanks again for your insights. how about this story. high school coach fired because he tried to do something nice for his players. he hired strippers for them. wanted to be the cool coach. well, he was fired. now he's fighting.@@ he thinks he should keep his
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i can't believe this one. this is wrong on so many levels. high school coach in albuquerque accused of hiring strippers for 17-year-old players. he's been fire. at least he's fessed up. reports admitted he was just trying to be cool. paid for the "eye candy" with his own personal credit card. give me a break. coach said it was supposed to be harmless fun. expected the women to strip down to their bikinis. some players said, oh, they were completely naked. what do you expect? and now the coach has hired a lawyer and is going to fight for his job. i want to hear from you on this one, 1-877-tell-hln is the @@ number.
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joining us to talk about@@ it, will weber, sports writer for the albuquerque journal. also with us, mike eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor. dave, i'll start with you. so coach is with a couple players in denver and then it's stripper time? tell us what happened. >> what happened is he brought the players up for a camp that showcases their skills to pro and college scouts. he says that the players were bugging him about taking them to a strip club. they're 17 1/2 years old. so what he did instead, after he says they continued to bug him, is he went to the phone book, got exotic dancers, and paid about 500 bucks to bring them to the hotel room. and he thought they were just going to strip to their bikinis. he likened it to an office party retirement party. he didn't think they would strip all the way down. it was kept a secret for about a year. but what happens in denver doesn't necessarily stay in denver. word got out.
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and the story broke. >> there you go. well put on that front. here's the statement from the coach. i made a mistake. i shouldn't have hired these dancing girls for these guys.pñ you work for 25 years, you make one poor decision one night of your life and it ruins everything. well, when you work with our kids, and you're a mentor and an influence on our kids, yeah, one decision should get you fired. mark, can this guy -- or will he have any success fighting for his job? hopefully not, but go ahead. >> he will not. no. it is clearly within their discretion to fire him. not just because it was one poor decision, but it was a colossal, horrible decision. when you hire cinnamon, amber because you want to bond with your teammates, and then they give massages, apparently they were giving back rubs to these kids, you have stepped over the line so much. and mike, they gave him the opportunity to retire.
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his poor judgment continued because he didn't realize that was a gift. he should have walked away. and now bye-bye. >> exactly. will think he can fight and keep his job? >> he's about a year and a half away from his pension. he's fighting for that. two years until retirement. i think that's what he's going after. when you make a mistake, you make a mistake. i find ittisting in his interrogation with the police department, he compared himself essentially to bill clinton and rick pa tinno. he's gone through a lot and still maintained to keep their jobs and came out the other side. got a second chance. he's not going to get a second chance. >> he shouldn't. >> no, they can't take the chance. in the next year, if they encourage him to do like beer funneling or play beer pong or get tattoos or go to prostitutes, he's really going to want to bond with them. you cannot take that risk. you just can't. >> what parent at that high school is going to trust him from here on out. he's done. he's done.
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let's get some calls in. lisa is with us in texas. lisa, go ahead. >> caller: yeah, what right does the coach have breaking under peer pressure. don't the parents have to worry about peer pressure from the kids enough? why should he think that it's okay for him to hire strippers. >> it's unconscionable. real quig on his history, has he had any missteps in the past? how old is this guy? >> he's 44. he's been the coach of this school, this would have been his 12th season. talking about a guy who has won five state championships, the myth cal national champion when they set the national record at the time for consecutive wins. this guy's got a great track record. as far as i know, he's never been in trouble. he admitted during his interrogation that at times he's talked to players who have had a few drinks, caught a couple guys smoking pot. but never admitted to buying exotic dancers for his players. the thing that strikes me, as interesting, he wanted to be the cool guy, this isn't a
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22-year-old guy in college. >> exactly. >> i don't buy this he paid $500 and he thought they'd only go to their bathing suits? come on, take them to the beach. 500 bucks? i don't think so. >> good common sense there. >> not that i know, i'm just saying. >> let's get carol in on this one from florida. your thoughts or questions? >> caller: yes, mike. i don't understand this coach. i mean, how is he going to hire a lawyer? i have three boys -- well, three men now. they're grown. and they played football in college. and -- i mean, yeah, in college. and in high school. how is he going to hire strippers and do this for these guys, these football players and then try to get a lawyer to get his job back? it's ridiculous. >> absolutely ridiculous. let's go back to dave bowman. dave, what are parents saying? i couldn't imagine being a dad and hearing this coach pulled this boneheaded move. >> well, there were two parents,
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two sets of parents, if you will. one parent, actually the single parent of one player, was outraged. when he found out he was the one that really got the ball rolling and actually confronted him and said, you need to do what's right, saying he wanted him to step down. that's when the news broke out. never really had the chance. however, the parents of the other player said in the testimony, they didn't want to talk too much about it. they said what happened was wrong. but that the coach should not pay for it by losing his job. and so they're defending him in a sense. not defending his actions, but they think having him lose his job is a bit extreme here. >> well, i think it sounds like mark and i, you and i have won a chord. this is a colossal mistake. he should lose his job, period.@ thankfully legally he doesn't have a leg to stand on. mark, will, dave, appreciate it. coming up, chris brown, beating his former girlfriend. we covered this one extensively. the case has brought a disturbing trend to the forefront. african-american women reporting
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so many more cases of domestic violence than other racial groups. we want to know, why is this happening. that's coming up. also this, the odds were against alex griffith when he made it out of a russian orphanage. now he's raised thousands of dollars to help kids there. he's our latest "hero of the week." i was abandoned at a hospital number 20 at birth. i was adopted at 11 1/2 months old. >> the first time we saw alex, he had rickets, was malnourished. fell in love with him immediately. i said, there's my son. that's my son. >> they gave me a chance to survive. i wanted to give something back. i'm alex griffith, and i'm building a playground at the hospital where i was adopted from. everyone get a plate. i've been a boy scout for five years. i wanted to build a playground for my eagle project.
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hospital number 20 had a rough chair with a wooden seat, and a sandbox. which was mud because of all the rain. we had to design the playground. these are the double slides. volunteers from all over the world helped to build this playground. all of us adopted from russia have not and probably will never forget our birthplace. >> i like this playground, because when you slide on it, all the sadness goes away. >> he makes me very proud. he's been an example to all of them that anything is possible if you don't give up. >> it just makes me happy just being here. it makes me feel safe. pnip]p]
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chris brown has been ordered to clean up graffiti and trash for community service for beating up his former girlfriend rihanna. it put the spotlight on a big eissue. richelle carey explains in our weekly feature "what matters." >> mike, the bigger problem that you're referring to is african-american women in abusive relationships, domestic violence is 25% higher for black women than white women. which pegs the question, why is it so prevalent. randi kaye went looking for answers. >> reporter: this woman lived a nightmare for six long years. day in and day out, she was abused by her husband, emotionally, physically and sexually. >> he would want to have sex, and i'd say no, and then i would have to -- i would say fight for my life to try and keep him from
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raping me. >> reporter: like so many women, she stayed in the relationship. she had four children, and wanted to keep her family together. how bad did it get? >> after i left him, he took a crow bar and he broke into the house. and i was asleep. and when i woke up, he was standing at the door with a crow bar and he said, i should hit you with this. >> reporter: she never reported her husband's abuse, and he was never arrested or charged. which is why we're not identifying her. help me understand why you didn't go to the police. >> for an african-american woman to call the police on an african-american man, it would be like sending another brother to jail, to prison. and not believing that they would get the right treatment from the police. >> reporter: that statement might sound bizarre to some, but it's not uncommon in the african-american community. and experts say it makes a bad problem worse. just how prevalent is domestic violence among african-american
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women? a study by the department of justice from 2001 to 2005 found domestic abuse among black women 25% higher than white women. in fact, it was higher than women of all other races, except native americans. ruth slaughter has worked with survivors of domestic violence for more than 30 years. mainly in the african-american community. women stay in abusive relationships, she says, because they're in denial. >> he's going to get better. it's only this one time. and when he apologizes, and says that he's sorry, you hope that this will be the last time. and you believe him. >> we're supposed to be the -- the strong, you know, women able to bear anything. that's one of the reasons that we adore the abuse more -- report abuse more than others. because we're trying to protect ourselves and we're trying to
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protect the african-american community. >> reporter: in the celebrity case of chris brown and his girlfriend rihanna, police say brown shoved her head against the passenger window, and continued to punch her in the face. even threatened to kill her. brown pleaded guilty and publicly apologized in this video posted on youtube. >> i have told rihanna countless times that i'm truly, truly sorry. >> reporter: but with singer chris brown sentenced to probation and community service for doing this to a woman, this victim says it sends the wrong message. >> the whole problem with domestic abuse, perpetrators, is a lack of accountability. that's not enough accountability and responsibility for him. i think the message needs to be a little stronger. >> reporter: this woman eventually got the message. she divorced her abuser. today she counsels other women who are in abusive relationships. trying to stop the violence, trying to end the denial. randi kaye, cnn, los angeles.
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>> for more of "what matters," check out the october issue of "essence" magazine or logon to cnn.com/what matters. >> richelle, thanks. we continue to follow the trial outside louisville, kentucky, of a high school coach charged with reckless homicide, in the death 6 one of his @@ players. we're so excited about football. opening week of the nfl. in the meantime, a family grieves while a coach is on trial. decisions, decisions. which beneful prepared meal tonight? roasted chicken recipe? okay, savory rice and lamb stew.
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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. a clash of the experts in the trial of a former high school football coach outside of louisville, kentucky. coach david stinson accused of denying players of water during a punishing practice last year charged in the death of the max gilpin. whether dehydration played a
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factor. one said max was adequately hydrated. another said max needed a gallon of fluid when he arrived at the hospital. the prosecution could rest as early as monday. we know there was a 94-degree heat index the day of that practice. max collapsed, body temperature at least 107. he died three days later. if coach stinson is convicted, he's looking at up to ten years behind bars. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining us now to talk about it, we welcome back tony konz, reporter louisville courier. and mike eiglarsh. toni, what was the big news out of the trial today? we had the coroner testify, right? >> the coroner testify, and three more parents testified. one basically, the last parent is tim moreschi, he basically told the boy who quit the team that day, he congratulated him. and actually he said he actually hollered toward the coach that day and wanted to know his name.
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and told stinson he was watching. >> okay. let's listen to that. again, just to be clear, this is someone who came, i believe to watch a soccer game at an adjacent field and then turned around and began playing attention to the football practice. let's listen to a portion who does congratulate the kid, one of the kids, who quit the team. >> i congratulated the child for quitting the team. i said, you did the right thing. he was abusing you boys. i said thank you, son. thank you for quitting. >> passionate testimony there. mark eiglarsh. this is the person who was watching the soccer game and began watching. >> compelling testimony against him. he says he saw the kid running around, wobbly legs. he looked dehydrated. he was concerned the coach kept riding him harder and harder. compelling testimony. >> the a gentleman watching the
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practice and talking some of the abuse he saw. let's listen. >> it was coach stinson at the time. i didn't know who it was. i hollered, what's the coach's name that's abusing you boys? that's what i hollered. and i pointed at him. i was hoping to draw his attention that i was watching him. >> so mark, someone who is a bystander like this, not a parent, this is a bystander who becomes invested. can that be used to convict a coach down the road? >> yes, it's compelling. these people look at him as one of them. it could have a dreadful effect for sure. >> we'll take a quick break. more on this trial when we come back. we'll delve into the coroner's testimony who originally ruled his death a horrible accident. now he could change his mind. we'll take your calls.@@ @@@@@@@?
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i don't know. i don't think so. >> we're going to watch this story. what could be the repercussions on high school football. we want to learn from this and not make the same mistakes. right now, we want to pause and remember september 11th. remember the 2,752 people killed eight years ago. the years have come and gone. nearly 3,000 days have passed. almost one for each of those taken from us. >> john charles jenkins. >> joseph jenkins jr. >> and my father, steven
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hoffman. even though i only knew you a few years, it feels like so much more. you are an inspiration to all of us. your light will always be shining down from heaven. i love you, and i miss you daddy. >> and my husband. >> and my uncle firefighter matthew barnes. >> and my son. >> and my brother, matthew j. burke. we love you, matty, whether it's eight years or 800 years, you will never be forgotten. >> you continue to live your life like it's september 10th, 2001. to show their actions didn't go in vain. >> let us renew the true spirit of that day. not the human capacity for evil,
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