this hour, a campus terrified. students, staff at yale university completely on edge, is the monster who killed annie le one of their own? hln just confirmed police are zeroing in on a lab tech nan as a possible suspect. plus a gray sweatshirt found in the shirt for the 5-year-old with cerebral palsy missing more than a month and this twist a piece of children's clothing buried along a dirt road not far from where the little guy was reportedly last seen. is this the clue? police have desperately been looking for. love hearing from you.

call in on these topics 1-877-tell-hln. e-mail us at cnn.com/primenews or text us: start your message with the word "prime" your chance to be heard. >> controversy, opinion, your point of view. this is "prime news." welcome. this is "prime news." this just coming into us here in the murder of yale student annie le, prosecutors blocked the release of autopsy results saying it could hurt their investigation. the 24-year-old's body discovered behind a basement wall inside a campus lab sunday the same day she was to get married. right now police are narrowing the list of suspects and this is helping them the high-tech building where le's body was found, so secure, only students and employees could get in. and hln just confirmed investigators are for can using on a lab technician as a possible suspect. last night students held a candlelight vigil where her roommate talked about losing her friend.

let's give that a listen. >> she was as good a human being as you would ever hope to meet that. this horrible tragedy happened at all is incomprehensible but that it happened to her, i think, is infinitely more so. it seems completely senseless. >> all right. joining me to talk about this hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks also with us producer from the nancy grace show rup rupa -- starting with breaking news. you can confirm for us here that police are zoning in on someone, a lab technician. tell us about it. >> well, mike, this is what we know. we know for a while now the last few days the pool of potential suspects has really been narrowed down and looking at only a few people, insiders. it is difficult to confirm completely particularly with various conflicting sources

telling us various things but what i am hearing from a yale university police officer is that there is one individual, a person of interest, not a suspect, but a person of interest they are looking at, a lab worker that worked at this building. >> can you tell us anything more about this lab worker, relationship with annie le, start there. >> you know, what it's really not clear. what i have found out today i spoke with colleagues of hers and they say her main lab, laboratory she worked in was actually at the sterling hall of medicine which, as you recall, the office where she left her cell phone, her purse, her wallet, all of her personal belongs before walking to the amistad building and only does occasional research related to animals at that building and animals are kept in the basement, only in the basement of that building, which is why she was there. this is an occasional work-related situation where she is at that building. we do not know with this particular lab worker or individual that may have attacked her and killed her, what his relationship with her

is. >> what do we know about questioning, rupa, between this person and authorities? >> we know that he, among several other people had been questioned. a police soes did indicate to me that he was questioned and given a polygraph test which he did fail. so, this is one of the reasons they are focusing more on him. however, it's pont to say, mike, officially the new haven police department joe avery, the p.i.o. is saying they have not narrowed their suspect pool to one person. in fact, he says they have several people that they are looking at at this time and they are all persons of interest. >> okay. important to point that out but to mike brooks on this. all right, mike, what we have from rupa, lab worker, failed polygraph, starting to add up a little bit, isn't it? >> it is, mike. if you look at this building, as rupa said the animals are kept in the basement where this lab s. keep in mind, mike, this is a very secure building. and it's going to be even more secure in an area where animals

are held because they want to make sure there are no animal rights people come in to release animals like we've seen at other universities and probably going to be a limited number of people that have access to certain areas. now, you need a card to get to get into the building and a prox card, thee i.d. cards you swipe to get into other certain secure serious auch as this. again probably a limited number of people have access and need to be in this particular area. >> kristen, your comments or question here? >> caller: yes, mike. i have a couple questions, actually, thank you for taking my call. >> yeah. >> caller: i heard reports early on when she originally went missing that a professor canceled class abruptly around the same time that she went missing, wanted to find out about that and then the law enforcement thinks that perhaps the fire alarm was set deliberately and i heard reports that there was a fire drill that day, as well.

>> yeah. that time lime quickly for everybody, 10:00 a.m. when she  used her i.d. card to swipe ú herself into the ú amistad building and, yes, there is speculation that was a diversion or could have been one for whoever did this heinous, horrific crime to her. the first question, back to rupa, did a professor cancel class abankruptly and is that something authorities are looking at in this investigation, rupa? >> you know, mike, this is early on in the investigation, this was looked at and since then police have not commented about this at all. don't believe that right now that is something they are looking at. they have actually come out very clearly and said they do not believe a student was involved in this killing nor a professor. >> okay. not a student, not a professor. mike, to the second half of the caller's question this fire alarm. >> yeah. >> do you see that as a diversion? >> possibly. what they're going to do, mike, with the digital photography the surveillance cameras, everything is digital and a newer building.

they'll take a look at all of the people who came in between a certain time and a certain time and when they had this -- it was a, if i'm not -- a steam alarm or something, a steam scare. so, take a look at everybody who was evacuated then and everybody who came back in the building. they'll take that against the computer list, for the swipe cards and compare the two and that's probably how they came up with this list of persons of interest, which i call suspect lite. >> right. right. >> we'll. >> he keep the calls coming you come up with great questions as we walk through this together, what could have happened to this young woman set to be married sunday. the same day her body was found. so call in 1-877-tell-hln. we also know this. authorities went to annie le's home. what evidence were they looking for? @roñúíxñ

welcome back. we are continuing our conversation. the unthinkable, a 24-year-old girl, annie le, set to be married sunday yet her body was found stuffed in a wall at yale university where she was studying to be a pharmacist. we have new video, from abc news, home video of annie as you see her, it looks like she is just enjoying herself, playing, smiling. all accounts, she's just a beautiful person inside and out. so, again our heart breaks for her family, her fiance as we now know ishe is no longer with us. skyl skylar, your thoughts here? >> caller: when she was working in the lab was she doing

anything controversial that might have sparked some emotion in anybody? >> good question. back to rupa there at yale, anything about that, what she was studying anything controversial there? >> well, mike, she was a ph.d. candidate at yale university in the pharmacology program. she was actually doing research particularly pertaining to diabetes and diabetic research. some of the research that she was doing would relate to amistad, of course with animals but the animals located in that building primarily are rodents and mice. >> okay. doesn't sound like that could be the xwo tess here. let's bring in dr. brenda wade. good to have you back. we just had the caller talking about a possibly controversial study she might have been doing. what do you see as a motive here, brenda? >> you know, it seems clear from what i've heard, according to the police, they are not releasing all the information so we don't have the full picture but it seems as if somebody who had either a beef or someone had

targeted her specifically for some reason. now, this leave as wide range of people. but, i would say either someone who had an obsession with her or had been stalking her, sounds like a candidate. someone who, for some reason, felt disgruntled, maybe, wanted to be her boyfriend but she already had a fiance, something of that nature t. sounds as if someone was obsessed and who was clearly, clearly sociopathic. clearly someone who was not firing all cylinders, if you'll pardon that phrase. but someone deranged in some particular way had stalked this young woman and intentionally targeted her and killeder. >> bottom line there you are seeing someone who if i can't have her, no one else will. >> it seems something of that nature. >> okay . >> this is has that obsessive quality to it, you know what i mean? >> okay. yeah. >> -- so close to her wedding day, mike that, even makes more sense what the doctor is saying, was it someone love obsessed and, you know, because it's just

so close to her wedding day. >> yeah, just days away. barbara with us in massachusetts, your comment or question here? >> caller: first of all a comment you're the best. >> thank you. >> caller: that's a great way to describe this and, in fact, the doctor described it i think it was an o.j. syndrome, somebody obsessed and said if i can't have you, nobody will. the question i have the fire alarm history at yale. was this unusual that this fire alarm went off? how often do they go off. >> good questions there, bash remarks thanks for the call. rupa, how much talk is there right now about the fire alarm and it being a possible diversion, how unusual it was it went off, to barbara's point there. >> that's a great question, mike. here's the thing. the fire alarm did go off, unexpectedly. and police were investigating this. there's some conflicting information, again, certain police agencies are saying that this is still being investigated to see if it was triggered on purpose as mike said earlier it was triggered by steam.

>> mike, before we go, we know authorities went to her home looking for evidence. what do you looking for at her house, helping with motive or confirm the crime, what are you looking for? >> for anything, mike, especially on her cell phone, her computer. did this person responsible for this, had he or she sent e-mails to her, were there any letters maybe somebody left a card, anonymously for her, maybe she didn't tell anybody about and just kind of, you know, prushed it aside. but she was very cognizant of her surroundings and safety and security because she wrote that article on crime and safety on campus just back in february. >> yeah, exactly. how ironic. how to stay safe on campus and poor annie le ends up a statistics. thanks so much. appreciate the viewers, as well. call in on this one as we update on phillip garrido.

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about, you know, close in age. around the same time frame. as you and i were talking about right before the show, you know, where they disappeared, same general area. and witnesses back in 1988 and 1989 were saying that a vehicle that matches very closely the description of the vehicle that was still parked there, you know, in this little compound he had was also the vehicle that jaycee was kidnapped is fits the description of these two. you know, so, that is one of the big similarities and could hold a treasure trove of evidence. >> by the way, dmaul with your questions. you always have great questions. foenz is t 1-877-tell-hln. that could be a treasure trove but has too much time passed? talking 21 years, right. >> it's even better now. look at the technology we have now, mike. i was on the evidentiary response team same folks looking on their hands and knees on the garrido property and adjacent

property next door, this car, though, they took it back to the lab there. are forensic, special forensic vacuum cleaners with a special filter they can go over that car, the inside with a fine-toothed comb looking for hairs and fibers, trace evidence, fingerprint evidence, possible dna. look at the technology now compared to 1988 and '89 on, say, look at touch dna. just little cells of skin that could be in that car if they can match that up with dna from these two girls that are missing from '88 and '89, they possibly could close two more cases. you know, we talked right in the beginning, mike, when all this came out, we said, you know, this isn't probably the only cases we're going to hear about and now they are starting to develop more information looking at these two cold cases and went, hmm, you know what, a lot of similarities here so let's take a look even closer that's why the judge said get a search warrant, go back out there and

they said they could be there a number of days, mike. >> it is believed the same vehicle, a large sedan was used when jaycee was abducted in south lake tahoe and that has sat dormant basically since then. to your point that evidence could be preserved. what gets people, mike, as you look at this talking about these two and jaycee herself, the innocence, what was going on. this was in hayward california had just gotten soda, cherry taffey and eileen on her way to lessons and jaycee on her way to school, as an 11-year-old. just the ruthless nature of this. we don't know if he was involved in the other two but it sure a up, doesn't it, mike? >> it really does. for law enforcement to come out today, i was watching that search all day since they got there from our affiliates but watch and listen to law enforcement and to say publicly they are looking at these two specific cases because of the similarities, that says a lot to

me as an investigator and, you know, they're on their hands and knees, i watched them rake along the fence, somebody was out so, you know, they're looking for a lot of evidence, mike. >> we know how devious he can be with the backyard compound. i heard cops say we have for look inside walls and underground, who knows where you can find wefd this guy. >> absolutely. one of the things they are probably using, too, that i have used ground penetrate iing rada. it looks like a super-fund site, mike. it is nasty but the techsials are back there and literally digging through looking for evidence in these two cases. >> mike we've got to leave it there. thanks again for your insights, as always. coming up new information in the search for hasani campbell. u

welcome back to "prime news" continuing to follow, this we want to hear from you on this, rapper kanye west there, se about to swill a little hennessy. can we brain the booze, crushing and mortifying taylor swift as she wins and he goes up and says beyonce should have won? we will talk about that and also his apology on "the jay leno show" do you believe it, is it enough, is it sin veer? call in 1-877-tell-hln. and we want to hear from you on this, as well, we talk about our economy, we all want to know, are we back on solid financial

ground? well, we have one guy, the guy, that says, maybe. we're getting close. when he speaks, the financial world moves talking about fed chairman ben bernanke, today he said the recession is very likely over. great. really? let's talk about it. want to hear from you 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about it welcome back alley velchi from our sister network cnn and radio talk show host chris mar cow ski. all right, guys, good to have you back. is it good tidings, ali? very likely over? . >> well sort of depends where you are. if you are unemployed, it doesn't look like that situation is getting better anytime soon. if you've got a house the values have gone up. if you have invested in the stock market things are certainly better than they were back in march. so it's kind of academic bit of an ivy tower discussion to suggest it is over. it is for some people and a long way to go for others, mike. >> that's the key point, are we

close, a long way to go for others? it depends on your personal situation, right? >> oh, absolutely. even, you know you dive into bernanke's speech today, he said technically we are out of recession but have all these problems going forward. in my opinion, i think we've got to bring the small business car. don't want to spoil things and agree with chris but se absolutely right. the growth of jobs in this country has for a long time been on the backs of small businesses. they don't have the customers and they can't get the credit necessary so those two things have to be fixed if we need to get jobs back because it is a long time before we get back to the 5%, 4.9% unemployment since this recession started. >> agreeing on that point, then. small business job growth on that front. that tells you, hey, we still have a long way to go. we are on the same page on that front. chris, what is telling you, hey, things are getting better? >> well, i --

>> he sighed. >> back to ali's points and i agree and i'm cower yos what he thinks also in regards to policy risk. i've managed a lot of money for a lot of people, doctors, lawyers, small business owners around the country. one reason they are not expanding and building no so of the lafk of credit but policy risk. they don't know what their taxes or health care costs will be or regulations will be or energy costs will be. that's scary. >> i just got back as you dploe a trip across the country about three and a half thousand piles on the cnn express stopped in little towns and talked to people. again, chris is right there. pooh at some point people have to know what direction the government is going in, coming in with health care or raising taxes you have to know to make decisions around that. a lot of people are uncertain what is going to happen to them and, as a result, they are holding back on certain decisions. again, small businesses but a lot of individuals holding back, too. >> that's just common sense, ali, starting with you if you are holding back and you don't know you are not making a move and if we are not making moves we're not growing right. >> the difference between

investing an gambling. if you want to know, you are a ininvestor and if you want to take a chance you are a gamber and americans are tired of that right now. >> a couple of facebook comments from nicole writing when the effects of being laid off for months and months go away, then now. so, chris, folks watching right now, let's face it they are skeptical, certainly they like to hear that from bernanke. but, i think it's still a wait and see, don't you, for a lot of people? >> bernanke, you know, he has a lot of power obviously deals with the credit markets, lending to the banks and the banks have a lot of capital but he's not creating jobs. and he only has so much fly. and with all the nonsense, all the rhetoric from whatever government official whatever fed treasury, leaders, people don't want to hear it anymore. until they see the unemployment trek down, people will be nervous. >> alie, how much sway when ben

bernanke says something so positive does it have on moving the economy. by him speaking this way will some people make a move they haven't before? >> no i don't think so, mike. when we heard the administration saying the economy was fundamentally strong and it wasn't, we've moved into a bit of a caveman mentality. i was at the missouri state fair talking about people growing their vegetables and canning them and people talking about a new frew galt. people donl really think the message from on high, whether wall street or washington will have that much impact on their lives and will look after their own, i think. >> you mentioned the term a new frugality. >> yeah. >> chris, face it if we have lived in our means and a little more frugal we wouldn't have been in this shape. do you think people by and large -- have we gotten it or learned, do you think? >> i hope so but, you know, there's that old thing -- america's biggest folly, i guess history's biggest folly this time it is different and people tend to make the same mistakes

over and over and over again and the president is talking about avoiding this boom/bust economy. i really don't think you have that type of control over things. people will do, you know, what they want to at certain points in time and they get overextended. hopeny people will more frugal and start saving. we have a social security problem to deal with. anybody under age 50 that actually thinks they will receive that has another thing coming. hopefully people are saving. >> yeah. because how we act in the good times, that's what will get you, right? i think when credit is readily available again, when they say buy that tv and take two years to pay it for, we are going to jump on that bandwagon. i've heard from people things are changing and they want things to change and the safgs rate is going up, mike, we are saving more money but we don't know by choice or bier force. >> guys, a quick break. more of your facebook comments coming up, a lot of you chiming in. call us 1-877-tell-hln is the number. is the recession finally over? we'll continue the conversation.

continuing our conversation, federal reserve chairman ben bernanke saying the recession is very likely over. is it for you? we're taking your calls 1-877-tell-hln, a lot of people skeptical, as we get some facebook comments. let me read a couple of text messages and see what we are getting. one viewer text writing this we are not in a recession, we are in a depression. skeptical to say the least. another one, maybe for the rich, not for those of us with disabilities living paycheck by paycheck. so ali, the skemtism obviously is out there. is there an area, a part of the country. >> yep. >> -- that's going to see or feel how i do want to put this, will see some of the benefits or see some of the -- >> yeah. >> -- to ben bernanke's points the recession is over? >> -- the investment thing

doesn't matter because anybody can invest in anything. in terms of houses, the places the hardest hit in many cases are bottoming out. you might start to see improvements in places like ohio. and when it comes to jobs, it's not the geographical area as much as the type of jobs. the only jobs we are expected to gain over the course of the next year are going to be in health care, education and government jobs. everything else and most states are likely to see losses overall. in fact, texas about the only state, texas d.c. and maryland the only places that won't see losses overall according to some studies >> you mentioned ohio. i want to read a facebook examine comment from meg saunders writing this and another still feeling it. how are things any better she writes i live in ohio and it seems to me things to me are actually getting a little worse each day, not better. chris, to her point, folks in ohio, are they going to feel it longer than the rest of us? >> i think absolutely. you are going to look at a major

demographic shift across the country, too. we'll continue to see more people move out of high-tax states, a lot of the northeastern states and california, michigan, other places trying to move where businesses are actually going to go. that play as big part, as well wechlt need to bring, i guess this call it animal spirits back out there and build and create and things are created microsoft and hewlett packard and all these great companies we have in our society, our country, were all built in some garage somewhere. there are some people out there. >> in many cases in a recession. >> you are absolutely right. that's what we have to look for, who is going to be next, the next big employer, what's the next thing maybe some n some of the health care fields. i know we feel it near florida in regards to real estate. i don't think the market is going to turn that much quicker and commercial real estate another shoe to drop but getting people excited about the country again and building and creating will take us out.

>> always good to talk to you. hopefully we'll talk again, soon. great to hear from the people again today. the good news from the fed chairman, a lot of people folks chiming in, hey, i'm still waiting on this and a little skeptical. guys i'm sure we'll talk soon, ali, chris, appreciate it. coming up rapper kanye west embarrassed taylor swift at the red carpet of the video music awards swilling a bottle of hennessy. did that lead to this outburst, goes on jay leno, brings and apology to the table, almost comes to tears. was that sincere enough to you? want to hear from you. 1-877-tell-hln is the phone number. are you still mad at the guy? should we forgive him? i don't think you can live the american lifestyle without energy. we have all this energy here in the u.s.

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mormmation, kanye west from the rude guy at the mtv video music awards crushing taylor swift's moment to almost crying on "the jay leno show" last night. let's show you what happened. >> i was fortunate enough to meet your mom and to talk with your mom a number of years ago. what do you think she would have said about this? >> um, -- >> are you okay? would she be disappointed in this? would she give you a lecture? >> yeah. you know, obviously, you know, i -- i deal with hurt and, you know, so many, you know, celebrities, they never take the time off and i have never taken the time off to really -- you know, i just music after music and tour after tour and tour and i just ashamed that my hurt caused, you know, someone else's hurt. >> okay there.

you go. mike question to you as the viewer out there, do you think it was sincere, is that enough for you? call in 1-877-tell-hln. i want to bring in deborah norville. author of "the power of respect" very well timed, deborah, what's going on the past week and also with us is -- celebrity publicist seeing kanye west trying to do damage control. deborah, starting you with, maybe i'm gull babble, i believed the apology. i thought it was sincere, wasn't scripted. i thought he was almost brought to tears and i credit jay leno from bringing his late mom into this. are you buying it, as well, deborah? >> i don't think it really matters whether i buy it or not. i think it's really the -- the trifecta of episodes of disrespect we've seen. the kanye west episode after joe wilson last week and serine na williams this weekend and i think it's kind of that cascade effect that's got everybody talking about this. interestingly enough as you point out kanye west did

apologize and called taylor swift, reached out to her and apologized directly to her that. is something that congressman wilson thus far has refused to do. as you know within the last half hour the united states house of representatives voted to rebuke congressman wilson, someone pretty much an unknown until his "you lie" comment interrupted the president's speech last week. >> i give kanye west credit at least in that interview with jay leno it seemed from the heart, off the cuff, which is what we want from an apology. let's listen, i'll get marvetta on, this basically saying flat-out he was wrong. this is kanye with jay leno. >> i was fortunate enough to meet your mom and talk with your mom a couple of years ago. what do you think she would have said about this? >> um --

>> you okay? would she be disappointed in this? would she give you a lecture? >> yeah. you know, obviously, you know, i -- i deal with hurt and, you know, so many, you know, celebrities they never take the time off and i have never taken the time off to really, you know, i just music after music and tour after tour and tour. >> right. >> and i'm just ashamed that my hurt caused, you know, someone else's hurt. i immediately knew in this situation that it was wrong and it wasn't a spectacle or -- you know, it's actually someone's emotions -- >> right. >> -- you know, that i stepped on and it was very, it was rude, period. and, you know, i'd like to poll jais to her in person. >> as deborah points out, dereach out and apologize after she was on "the view" marvette. people are mad. was that enough what he did on jay leno last night?

>> i think it was absolutely enough. jay leno was brilliant tapping into his dna and character and pedigree asking what would your mother think? you know, mother think. kanye is a good guy. he made a bad decision. he has made a series of bad decisions. hurt people hurt people. pain manifest itself in various ways. what we saw was a shameful, contrite remorseful kanye who understand he humiliated a baby, a young girl. >> yeah. 19-year-old. >> whose moment was robbed. i think he got it. once jay brought light to the fact that your mom wouldn't be pleased by this behavior kanye was reflective of his mother's legacy and knew that he didn't want to be seen as this kind of guy. >> it stopped him in his tracks. >> absolutely. >> let's get a call in. brian in colorado. your thoughts here. >> caller: i don't think he was

really sincere. look at his track record. this is not the first time he did something like this. the comments he made about george bush after hurricane katrina. for him to use his mother as an excuse disgusts me. >> i'm sure a lot of people have different reactions. we want to hear from you. 1-877-tell-hln is the answer. deborah, we have about 30 seconds and we'll take a wreak. from looking at his career and past infractions, what brought this on? is it a guy with an ego who is going to say what he is going to say? >> that may be one explanation. marvette he used his mother's passing for other episodes of poor behavior. i don't think mrs. west would have appreciated that. she worked hard and did her besm to raise her son right. >> let's take a quick break. here you go.

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this hour, a campus terrified. students, staff at yale university completely on edge. the building where annie le's body was found, we thought so secure. only students and employees could get in. who killed annie le and why? plus a gray swurt r found in the search hassani campbell. a piece of children's clothing is found buried along a dirt road not far from where little hassany was last seen. 1-877-tell-hln is the number.

e-mail us cnn.com/primenews or text us your thoughts at hlntv. start your message with prime. your chance to be heard. welcome. this is hour number two of "prime news." in the murder of yale student annie le, prosecutors have blocked the release of her autopsy results saying it could hurt their investigation. the 24-year-old's body was discovered behind a basement wall in a campus lab on sunday, the same day she was supposed to get married. police are narrowing the list of suspects. this is helping. the high-tech building is so secure you need a swipe i.d. card just to ge in. the outpouring of emotion, students held a candlelight vigil for le and le's roommate talked about losing her friend. >> she was as good a human being

as you would ever hope to meet. that this horrible tragedy happened at all is incomprehensible but that it happened to her is infin it inially more so. it seems completely senseless. >> it must have been difficult for her to speak. she did so eloquently. 1-877-tell-hln. we welcome back thomas kaplan and hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks and clinical skols d psychologist dr. brenda wade. thomas, what do you have? >> they have good evidence of who was in the basement at the time annie was presumed killed. the invest is moving full force. there were rumors and arrest might be made today. police shot that down. >> mike brooks, it is a huge

help when we believe you have to have an i.d. card to get into that building. it narrows things down. we talked yesterday about the possibility of someone lurking and waiting for a door to open and walking in. from what you are seeing, that is not the case, right? >> there is always the possibility from the exterior door someone could hold the door for someone to get in. when you get into the building you need a swipe card to go from different parts of the building to different parts of the building. in the basement where they use animals for testing, that kind of thing. i guarantee you there is going to be extra security down there, even though it is rats and mice, but still, they are going to be able to look at the video from outside. there are 70 cameras to see who was coming in and out and the computer printout of who was using their prox card. melody. >> caller: who would have access

to these panels and knew where these panels had separated and et cetera, et cetera? thank you. >> you are talking about the pageants, the wall where the body was found? >> caller: exactly. >> thomas, let's start with you on that one. we have to have somebody who had access. it could have been a worker. >> yeah. whoever did this must have been very intimate with that building to be able to think of a place to stash a body. what we found out yesterday the material of the wall was such that it made it hard for the dogs to sniff and pick up a scent. whoever did this clearly knew the building. >> mike, another help as an investigator. >> oh, yes. >> you narrow this down step by step. >> the mere fact she was in one of -- they call it a chase, pipe chase, electrical conduits, pluming goes through. on stlard was a report that

additional evidence was found there. apparently clothes that may have had blood in the false ceiling above the ceiling tiles. again, someone who probably knew this building very intimately. normally these areas, people walk right past them and not think twice about them except somebody who might work in that building. >> it is so hard looking at the smile of annie le, set to be married on sunday. gone before her time, murdered in a heinous fashion. i want to bring in dr. brenda wade. motive is something. why? who could do this and why? >> it is clear this is premeditated. the evidence that the clothes were hidden someplace that is off the beaten track, that her remains were found someplace that would be difficult to find. i can't imagine someone who hadn't calculated it all and

premeditated it coming up with a hiding place. it screams someone who was obsessed and stalking her in some way or some connection, unrequited love or a fantasy object who couldn't bear the idea that she was getting married. that is my guess. i'm guessing. that is what m co-s to me. >> exactly. we talked about it last year, if i can't have her no one else will. >> one of the things that is important to me also, mike is what can we learn when a tragedy like this happens. i think for all the students at yale, the family members, there is a need to understand how to support one another in times of grief. but we also need to understand how to protect one another and for students to look out for one another more on campuses or on the street. that we need to raise our radar, if you will, as a culture. that we are more aware of

protecting and nurturing especially women and children. >> it is ironic annie le herself had written an article about staying safe on campus and being vigilant and knowing your surroundings. let's bring back thomas kaplan. how are students handling this is the student body come together? >> thousands turned out for the vigil you referred to. the one thing that reassured students police say this was by no means a random act. this was targeted, premeditated, maybe a crime of passion. it is not as if this was a robbery on the street gone wrong. that would inspire more fear. >> absolutely, mike. they went to say that no one else is in danger. just like thomas said, this wasn't a random act. no one else is in danger which says to me they know who is responsible for this.

yesterday during a talk with students and faculty, a faculty member and student told cnn that officials said law enforcement was narrowing their list of possible suspects. >> who? when we come back, i'm going to ask thomas is there any talk of a stalker in our midst? someone who was obsessed with annie le. we will take your calls and questions at 1-877-tell-hln. after collaborating with business leaders. we wanted our curriculum to match market needs, preparing you for today's most sought-after careers. in fact, we have not one but five specialized colleges, offering you bachelor's degree programs that... are both relevant and highly marketable. devry university. discover education working at devry.edu.

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we are getting home video from annie. you can see that smile, laughing, joking. a beautiful person inside and out. an outpouring of emotion. candlelight vigil. we are going to listen to her roommate natalie powers, through the emotions talking about the toughness of her close friend. >> she was tougher than you'd think by just looking at her. that this horrible tragedy happened at all is incomprehensible was that it happened to her, i think, is infinitely more so. >> you can hear her fighting back the tears. 1-877-tell-hln. alice joins us from florida. >> caller: my comment is that i've been listening to the news last night, today and everyone is talking about 75 security cameras and everyone had to come in with i.d. i'm sitting here thinking, who is to say it was a stranger?

who is to say it wasn't someone who was working with her and wouldn't be a suspect when you looked at the security camera. the norm. >> you are thinking student, professor. let's go back to thomas kaplan, "yale daily news." can we definitively rule out students or professors. >> no, we can't. we know there are a limited number of people who had access to the basement. no. you can't rule anyone out. >> let's get another call in. annie many minnesota. >> caller: one of the things i find remarkable this was no coincidence that this young girl i mean this young woman felt unsafe. someone was causing her to feel unsafe. look what happened. it happened right before her wedding. it happened a time in daylight. evidently the person knew the building. i would not be surprised it was

someone she knew who had a fixation with her. it doesn't sound normal this girl who seemed so on top of the world, so intelligent felt afraid and nobody listened to her instincts. >> her friend spoke on the "cbs early show" of what annie thought of her safety the precautions she took. let's listen to that. >> annie, you know, she protected herself. and, you know, annie walking around, it's not -- annie always made sure she was safe. she doesn't walk around at night by herself. if she had to work late she would make sure someone would come pick her up or walk with her. >> let's go back to dr. brenda wade. someone who was vigilant and cognizant of their surroundings. >> it all makes sense. >> trying to main stain her

safety. >> it makes sense she would have somehow picked up -- there is sbu tigs, that there was someone stalking her or wishing her ill. she was a dim mintive person, 4'11", 90 pounds. feeling her size would have made her feel more vulnerable in the world intuitively, psychologically being that tiny. it would be easy to think someone would overpower me in a heartbeat. someone 4'11", 90 pounds. if someone was stalking her she would not have been able to defend or protect herself. >> we'll leave it there. we appreciate it. coming up, hours ago, police from two cities converge on the

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welcome back. new today a raid at the home of a couple accused of kidnapping jaycee dugard. investigators from two police agencies searched the home in connection with two other unsolved kidnappings. 9-year-old mckayla gehrig disappeared 1998. eileen mishohoff disappeared just three months later. back with us mike brooks. mike, just the similarities. what we -- why we think garrido could be connected. >> one of the big similarities,

the girls were about close in age, around the same time frame. right before the show where they disappeared, same general area. and witnesses back in 1988 and 1989 were saying a vehicle that matches very closely the description of the vehicle that was still parked there in this compound that he had that was also the vehicle that jaycee was kidnapped in fits the description of these. >> call in with your questions. you have great questions. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. let's talk about that car. that could be a treasure trove but has too much time passed, we are talking 21 years. >> you know what? it is even better. look at the technology we have. i was on the fbi's evidence response team. same folks looking on their hands and knees today at the

garrido property and the ajay sent property. this car, they took it back to the lab. there are special forensic vacuum cleaners with a special filter. they can go over the inside of that car with a fine tooth comb looking for hairs and fibers, trace evidence, fingerprint evidence, possible dna. look at the technology compared back in 1988 and 1989. look at touch dna. little cells of skin that could be in that car. if they can match that up with dna from these girls missing in '88 and '89 they possibly could close two more cases. we talked when this came out, you know what, this isn't probably the only cases we are going to hear about. now they are starting to develop more information. they looked at these cold cases, hmm, there are a lot of similarities. the judge said let's get a search warrant and go back out

there. they could be out there a number of days. >> it is believed that same vehicle was used when jaycee was abducted. that car has been dormant since then in 1991. to your point the evidence could be preserved. what gets people when we call about the other girls and jaycee herself, the innocence. what was going on there. mckayla, in hayward, california, she had gotten soda. cherry taffy. eileen on the way to ice skatin@ lessons, jaycee on the way to school as an 11-year-old. we don't know if garrido was involved in the other two, but it sure adds up. >> for law enforcement to come out today. i was watching that search, listen to law enforcement and for them to say publicly they are looking at these two specific cases because of the

similarities that says a lot to me as an investigator. they are on their hands and knees. i was watching them rake along the fence. someone taking sketches, taking pictures. they were inside buildings, outside the buildings. they are looking for a lot of evidence. i heard cops say we have to look inside walls, underground. who knows where you could find evidence. >> absolutely. up with thing they are probably using is ground penetrating radar to see if there are anomalies under the ground. this place looks like a super fund site. the technicians are back there and they are digging -- literally digging and looking for evidence in these two cases. >> mike, we have to leave it there. we stay in the bay area. new information in the search for hassani campbell. )d)d)d)d)dd

welcome back. huge update on the story of a teenage girl who says her dad is going to kill her. rifqa bary, 17 years old recently converted to christianity. in july she ran away from her home in iowa and taken in by a christian pastor in florida. bary's parents, muslim. she said if she stayed she would be the next victim of an honor killing. >> i just want to state that i love my family. i love them so much. i love my parents. and yet i'm so in fear of my life because of things i have encountered. >> i love my daughter and i need my daughter back. i have two sons and i have only

one daughter. i need my daughter back. >> i love my daughter and i have no problem in her practicing another religion. >> so it appears the parents word against hers. we are getting new documents from a florida law enforcement report. it finds no evidence of any threats against the girl. does this mean she should be forced to return home? we'll take your calls 1-877-tell-hln. joining me prosecutor josh hanshaft, defense attorney jennifer smettors. michael, get specific about the florida law enforcement report concerning no evidence of a threat. what can you tell us about that? >> well, the report came in yesterday, was released by the judge in orlando and said there was no credible evidence that she will be killed or be harmed

in columbus by her family or the community there and there was no indication of pending harm. one thing the report did not address is the danger posed by potentially by the mosque that her parents sometimes go to, her family sometimes goes to. on the grounds that they haven't done anything wrong. there's no reason to look into that. there is no criminal predicate. that leaves a hole for some who believe based on islamic law she will be killed because she must be killed. there is no contention on that whatsoever. >> who did they talk to to determine there was no threat? the way she tells the story her dad threatened her. i don't know who else would have known about it.

>> she said she told a lot of people about it in columbus and over facebook. this whole thing started because of a contact on facebook between her and the pastors in florida. various people in the christian community in columbus as well can see, denver, all over the place a lot of people evidently knew about the fears that rifqa was feeling. >> i got you on that. let's listen to both sides. rifqa and her father. hear them both out. >> they have to kill me. my blood is now halal, i'm christian from a muslim background, it is an honor, if they love god more than me they have to do this. i'm fighting for my life. you guys don't understand. they don't understand.

>> this is a cult group who kidnapped my daughter. and took her away. >> there is both sides. a daughter, a father. josh, prosecutor here, how do we sort this out? >> everything has to be slowed down. you have to look at it and say, who evaluated it? we have to know who evaluation and how full that evaluation was. this is behind closed doors. these are things that are not going to be said and another culture, another religion a lot of people don't know about. the subtle things are hard to get at. you need professionals to evaluate it. you need to slow it down. we are all interested the child is in a safe environment. slow it down. have her in a foster place or a place that is safe until this can be worked out. >> jennifer, do you agree with that to err on the side of caution to slow things down? >> i do. because in essence the florida

court is taking jurisdiction for a reason. whenever a child of any culture says that they have been abused, it has to be taken seriously. unfortunately, mike, what is going on here is some of the claims that she's made, the law enforcement investigation has actually proved to be false. now what is happening is her credibility is starting to let's just say deplete. now we have to make sure that we're not going to villainize the father. yes. are there societal norms in this situation? absolutely, but more investigation needs to be done. we can't crucify this father over nothing. >> michael, what claims are shown to be false? >> she has been taken seriously. her word has been taken seriously. it is part of the reason the judge in florida had the florida department of law enforcement look into it. ohio authorities have said there is no threat. florida authorities have said

there is no threat. some court filings have been made in ohio. her father, which means now in orlando -- the judge presumably in ohio. i think we have got on the the point where the question is should she continue to be kept. should a governmental entity continue to keep a minor child away from her parents. >> mike, if i may. some of her story has been very fact specific. that she's told many people. yet we have no school officials that have backed that up. that she was afraid to wear her cheerleading outfit in front of her father. according to the investigators there is a picture of her in her cheerleading outfit over the manhattan until the family's living room. those discrepancies need to be taken seriously. do i want a child in harm? absolutely not. >> who is going to say whether

or not there was a threat. my point was the only people who might know that is her and her father. i'm not sure who else would be able to tell you something. >> i understand -- >> josh, go ahead. >> honor killings are a real thing. >> yes. >> we don't understand. slow down. i understand you want to do what is best for the child. the only way to do it is get in the house and find out what is going on. >> we have to run. sorry, jennifer. we will continue to follow this one. coming up, another story we are following. high school football coach on trial. one of his players died a year ago from intense heat. ago from intense heat. former players testifying as the defense begins to present their case. the emotions were flowing. [ moos ] [ man announcing ] if you think about it,

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their case in the trial of the former high school coach accused in the death of one of his player. sophomore max gilpin died three days after he collapsed in a practice of 94-degree heat. some of the teens testified that he was not himself that day. >> he said something about not feeling good. usually i didn't hear max complain about how he felt. >> okay. we'll take your calls on this. 1-877-tell-hln. joining us we welcome back jennifer smetteres. rene from whas. the defense presents their case. what was the theme today, rene? >> reporter: today we saw several players disputing what other players said about that practice. they say players were not denies water breaks. they did not see players vomiting. they told a story of a coach who

really cared about his team. >> let's listen to that and i'll get jennifer in this. this player has an adoration for the coach and was emotional in talking about coach stinson. >> when i needed stuff, when i didn't have any money for food, he was there. when i needed someone to talk to, he was there. >> all right. that is emotional. jennifer, how much does this play in, okay, coach was a good guy. a good coach for this player and some of the other players. does that matter? the question is what happened that one day? >> yeah. that's the question. but this does matter. this is a student who is saying my coach really cared about us. the coach even made a statement who is absolutely at a loss for losing one of his students. what we have here is a tragic

accident. mike, as you well know, every year we hear of these tragic situations early in football season in which students go down. it's a horrible situation of events but i really feel that the coach here is being held to pay for just what was a fluke event that nobody could have predicted. i think the charges against him should be dropped and i think he should be successful at trial. >> it comes down to should he have known better. the prosecution says yes, he should have known better. it was too hot to run him that hard? >> reporter: prosecution say there were warning signs, some of players were showing signs of serious distress. because the coach should have known what was going on, that should have been enough for him to step back and say, wait a minute, maybe i should scale back. something that came out in the

defense today, two very strong testimonies from two medical experts saying max gilpin wasn't dehydrated and he did not overexert himself. >> there was a theory of asthma induced by rough exercise. >> reporter: right. he died of an exertional heatstroke. the chair of the university of medicine said he didn't exert himself. he was working hard and that created the heatstroke. he wasn't doing anything that would have been that much more out of the normal. >> should they have worked that hard and practiced that hard in that kind of heat. that is one of the questions we are trying to sift through. guys, wish we had more time. coming up, we will be talking about kanye west. we see him on the red carpet

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how about this for a transformation. rapper kanye west goes from rude guy at the mtv video awards, crushing taylor swift's moment to almost crying on national television. here is what he told jay lepo last night. >> i immediately knew in this situation it was wrong and it wasn't a spectacle. it was actually someone's emotions that i stepped on. it was very -- it was rude. and, you know, i like to

apologize to her in person. >> he has apologized after she was on "the view" he called her up. there he is. swilling some hennessey right out of the bottle. is booze at the heart of this? does the guy have a drinking problem? what led to that? how could you go to that level? we want to hear from you. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. jane velez-mitchell is here host of "issues with jane velez-mitchell" coming up in 12 minutes. all right, jane, as we saw him on the red carpet, do you think alcohol is at the root of this? >> you think? yeah. absolutely. i say this as a recovering alcoholic myself with 14 years of sobriety, alcoholism creates incomprehensible demoralization. you do something one night, you

barely remember it and you look in the mirror and say who is that person. there is hopefully a moment of clarity where you say that person is me. you cannot understand your own behavior. that is what he is experiencing. he looked at his behavior and said, i can't believe that's me. and that is almost the classic definition of alcoholism. i think he should use this time to get some help. >> let's bring in a.j. hammer, host of "showbiz tonight" most provocative entertainment show on television this is a provocative topic. >> you think? >> let's talk about the apology. i thought it was unscripted, jay caught him by bringing the late donda west into the conversation. a decent apology. >> on some levels, mike. the apology didn't do it for me overall, yes, i can forgive

kanye. i don't spend time with people who are so self-centered. kanye is a repeat offender. i'm glad he said what he said but the thing that the need for self-reflection. you know after we've seen other stars do bad things. chris brown's a great example, we've wanted to see them go away. we wanted to see them disappear and deal with it. and now he's talking about it. i think what he was alluding to with jay leno he never took the time to mourn the passing of his mother who would had not been proud of his son at all sunday night at the vmas, not only for what he did for taylor swift, but parading around the red carpet with that bottle and swigging fromta bottle. so to hear that he at least -- and in a heartfelt way it sound like he said he wants to think about what he's done. he wants to spend some time just gathering his life together. that's a good thing. will it actually happen? >> i don't know, he's scheduled to go out on tourp pretty soon. >> let's hope, to your point. jane, let's pick up on a.j.'s point. the morning, that'll make the

problem with alcohol that much worse, right? >> absolutely. >> if you are dealing with the pain. and plus an existing problem with alcohol. >> i actually address that in my audiobiography, "iwant." when my father died i didn't deal with it emotionally by grieving properly and it caused my own drinking to take off so another classic alcoholic symptom. i pray if kanye is listening to us right now, please take the opportunity, not just to go to some beach and relax. that's not going to help. okay? this is a disease. and i believe that he has it. that's just my personal opinion. obviously i have no proof. it's up to the individual themselves to say i'm an alcoholic. i think he has a drinking problem. needs to go to rehab and get tools to deal with his sobriety. >> jane, wei be talking. "issues" coming up at the top of the hour. a.j. and i will be talking the issues with you.cook. you just love the aromas of beef tenderloin...

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