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and, honestly, at the time being, i can't say that i believe he's guilty. i've known him so long, i just can't picture him doing something like that, no, not at all. >> have you ever known him to be violent? >> no. not at all. i've known him to be outgoing, happy, athletic, fun. violent? not at all. >> however, some co-workers call him a control freak, a rude creep, obsessed with lab rules. and we're learning more about an alleged rape, a dark past. did raymond clark lead a secret double life? that's what we're talking about right now joining me we've got robin bond, former prosecutor who specializes in workplace violence, as well as paul bass, the editor of the "new haven independent." paul, so many developments, fast and fewious, bring us up to

date. what is the very latest? >> the very latest, mr. clark is sitting in a maximum security jail. the police have submitted over 1,000-page arrest warrant based largely on physical evidence. what's interesting about this case is blood is the trail there. was blood found on different objects. there were magnetic key card swipes that shows what rooms people went into. 70 security cameras in one building and the police tell us, yeah, interviews were important but what this cause was all about the physical evidence. the reason it's sealed, the arrest warrant, is that there is so much evidence to go through, that as soon as they got a blood match with the dna, they wanted to arrest this fellow but they're still going. they want to build an overwhelming case based on physical evidence. the motive has not been determined. >> well, there are some reports out of the "new york daily news"

that site investigators are saying they already have an overwhelming case based just strictly on dna, if they had nothing else. if they didn't have the video, the swipe cards, if they didn't have anything else, the "new york daily news" according to its sources, is saying, wow, dna tests show the victim's blood is on clark's boots, which bizarrely have his name on them. the "daily news" also reporting tests identify his dna on her body and clothing and the "daily news" also claiming tests identify her dna and hair on him and his clothing. casey jordan, if all that is true, is that game, set, match? >> i would have to think so, because dna by itself you could argue there was human error, that it was tampered with in some way, that it was a set-up. but, based on the totality of circumstances, all of those card swipes, all of that dna and, you

know, evolving information about where she was found, things coming forward about his behavior with the scientists, you know, being a little bit effecious and rude at times really supports the idea of the sort of person who might have done this was a control freak who snapped in some sort of dissent with a can-worker. >> casey, by the way you are criminal olist joining us. thank you for weighing in. robert bond, you specialize in workplace violence. i don't really understand that term. to me that's violence that occurs in the workplace. that doesn't necessarily mean there is some other motive involved. we are hearing reports people have called clark, the suspect, a control freak by some others in the lab, that he was rude according to one co-worker. the "new york times" is quoting up named co-workers saying he would berate students for minor infractions and another report calls him efficious. what profile does that present to you? >> you know, workplace violence,

there's no one determining factor for workplace violence but there are several red flags and it can be looking at the work environment, home life environment, the psychological profile of the person. a lot of times this happens with somebody who has a mental disorder, a control disorder, an obsession, whether it's an office obsession which he might have had with this woman or whether he just can't stand having his authority questioned. and i think that seems to be the profile that we have here. and it's very unfortunate in the workplace when you're working with someone like this and you say something's just not right about this guy, i don't quite know what it is and, you don't want to report it because you're afraid that maybe you'll sound silly. but this is exactly the kind of thing that employers have workplace violence preventions for, so that you notify human resources. >> robin, unfortunately, none of his behaviors up until this point reached a they shall rolled that you could really report it. i'm talking about in the

workplace. >> yeah. right. >> we are learning some scary things about his. according to an ex-girlfriend who filed a police report, she claimed this is several years ago when they were in high school, that he forced theory have sex against her will but she continued the relationship after that. and consequently, no charges were ever filed. the case never happened. but yet, hearing that, that's scary. but nothing that he did in the workplace, casey, really amounted to anything. >> well, not necessarily. we do have reports, actually that, co-workers did especially the students that he worked with remember he managed the lab -- >> what are the reports. >> -- animals. there are reports co-workers did go to their supervisors and report him from being inappropriate and too rude. >> all right. well, paul bass, i want you to tell me a little bit more about that when we come back from the break, because i've heard about these co-workers telling reporters that he was too rude. i haven't heard they went to

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that -- what is going on but it's like, it's a complete shock because this is a dear friend of ours and dear friend of mine who i've grown my whole entire life to know. and it's -- the whole country and everybody else in bram ford want answers to all of our questions. he's being portrayed right now, you know, as being a murder suspect and that's not the raymond clark who i've known my whole entire life. >> not just being portrayed as a murder suspect, he is a murder suspect. that's bobby heslun on cnn's "larry king live" talking about his best friend, raymond clark, also known as ray-ray, accused of strangling annie le her body found on what should have been her wedding day, touching a nerve across the country. phone lines lighting up. kom nick in florida, your question or thought. >> i'm wondering why yale university, such a prejudicious university failed to sufficiently investigate this guy's background in the lab with

other people woulty without thoroughly investigating anything that may have been a red flag. >> well, paul bass, you're the editor of the "new haven independent" did they know about, for example, this incident back in high school where there was a police report? >> they could not have. we got it through a source. we have the only copy of that police report. it's been locked up since we reported it. she did not press charges. what happened in that incident was that the police were called to the school because he ways harassing her when she wanted to break up with him and was -- then subsequent interviews came the forced sex allegation but charges were never pressed and we've looked at his state record and there was nothing on there except for driving too fast. as for this incident you brought up with complaints, all we know so far is they went to something called a team leader, who works with technicians and researchers. and to say that someone was overbearing or rude, i have a hard time making the leap, just based on what we know that an

institution is supposed to say, oh, that's somebody who can kill somebody. so, i'd want to know more about how the smaller complaints were dealt with before i'm ready to condemn an institution. >> what's really fascinating, casey jordan, i was reading new information just n. after the crime but before he was arrested, he was trailed by a whole bunch of detectives and you know what he was doing snow was playing softball. he was going to a fair. he was showing absolutely no signs of panic, which absolutely boggles my mind if, in fact, he is responsible for the murder of this young woman. >> well, it's very typical behavior of somebody who has committed a crime and believes they might get away with it. maybe. there's a slight chance. and, you see this, you know, you see that with a lot of high-profile cases. where people who denied any involvement with a missing person or with a murder case go about their regular business, you know, scott peterson, drew peterson. the whole idea is almost a process of self-brainwashing. if they can go about their daily

lives and they know they're being watched and make -- try to make themselves look as normal as possible, they almost can convince themselves they really didn't do it. we see this all the time. >> the one time he apparently did show some panic was when the day of the killing, a smoke alarm or fire alarm went off in that lab building at about 1:00 in the afternoon and video shows him coming out with his head in his hands like this, which obviously makes him look distraught, robin bond. >> yeah. you know, like i said, the -- there's no one way to tell when somebody's had an issue like this. but, i do think, if i were the police in this case, having been a former prosecutor, you really can't guess on this man's motive. so, you just want to put all the pieces of the evidence together and tell the story and i believe the case will be strong enough to tell the story just on this physical evidence with a lynchpin being the dna that ties him to this murder. >> you are absolutely right because they don't have to prove motive. all they have to prove is beyond

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desperately after false leads all over atlanta. cops frantically searched dumpsters and roadways, racing to find this precious little boy in time. and guess what? a miracle of miracles, they did find him alive. tragically, he later died in the hospital. listen to what the accused dad told "prime news" affiliate wsb. >> police said the baby was moving when it was in the storm drain. you still say it was a miscarriage? >> it is miscarriage. >> we are taking your calls on this one 1-877-tell-hln. here to talk about this incomprehensible story casey jordan criminalist and criminal law attorney and former prosecutor robin bond. what struck me the most is that this couple reportedly showed little emotion even though, robin bond, i was literally getting nauseous as i read the details of this. this happened on a rainy day. there was flooding, there was rain and they allegedly leave

the child in a storm drain? and then they don't even tell them exactly where this child is and the cons have to go on this crazy chase to find this little baby? >> it's just -- it's a terrible, terrible thing. and it's shocking to us. you know, i think what we're going to see here is the mom's going to tell one story. the dad's going to tell another. everybody's going to point fingers and say, as the father's saying, the child was dead upon birth. the mother's going to say, well, the child was alive but i didn't have anything to do with it. the father took the child. so, you know -- >> well, what's the point? >> deplorable. >> this is such -- it's going to ruin their lives if they're convicted they are going to be behind bars for many years. >> absolutely. >> casey jordan, it didn't have to happen. the mom herself went to the hospital after giving birth. she could have taken the baby with her. instead, they leave the baby, put it in a storm drain and then she goes to the hospital to take care of herself without the infant and the father is saying,

we didn't know what for do with the kid? why don't you just take him to the hospital? >> not only that, i think what really adds insult to injury here is that georgia has a safe haven law like most states do. any mother can surrender a newborn within the first seven days to hospital personnel. no criminal charges, no abandonment can be filed against her. if she's going to the hospital anyway, then she could have taken the child with her and just said, we don't know what to do with this kid. can you put it in state custody? either one of them could do it, anyone could have done that. instead she complicated matters further by telling -- obviously they knew she had given birth, she didn't lie about that. she said the baby was born in a gas station and they put the baby in a trash barrel. the few hours they spent looking in the gas station dumpster could have been the difference between that infant living or dying. >> it's just unnecessary. and then, the father allegedly claims that the baby was born stillborn and it was all a miscarriage. but, how could that be, because the cops have determined they

can prove they found the child still alive, robin bond? >> yeah, the child was alive so. that -- that, you know that, water -- that's not going to hold water, as we all know. but here's the other thing. when we look at cause of death, the cause of death will be was there an existing genetic condition or other medical condition that actually caused the death of the child, or was the putting the child in an abandoned situation that superseding, intervening force that actually resulted in the child's death. so, that's what we'll be waiting for the autopsy findings. so, the police know whether we've just got an aggravated child cruelty case or whether we have murder. >> i'll tell you what the problem is, these teenagers shouldn't be having kids. they are 18 and 19. and that's just too young, really, in most cases, especially in this case when this guy. >> right. >> -- is out on bond for robbery. >> yeah. >> no one's going to argue with you on that one. >> we've got to leave it there. more on this case when we come

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won't believe this disgusting mess. we're talking trash everywhere. it's an unbelievable sewer, this house. is this how kidnapped jaycee dugard was forced to live for 18 long years? and then there's this, cadaver dogs making a big hit. they pick up the scent of possible human remains and the digs will soon begin. are cops closer to finding two little girls kidnapped decades ago? let's bring in our experts on the phone we have pat bosnin, former homicide detective and also henry lee reporter for the "san francisco chronicle." great to see you henry lee. back with us crazy jordan criminalolist and criminal attorney. henry lee you've tracked this story from the start. what is the latest on this cadaver dogs hitting o on a human scent on the garrido

property? >> well, jane, there are a couple of indications by at least two cadaver dogs of the presence of human remains but right now, as you could see from the pictures, both inside and out, that property is a mess. and they will spend most of the day today clearing out the debris, removing additional truckloads of material. this is more or less a primordioal soup of property junk and plates strewn everywhere tents and sheds. before they have the dogs working monday they will make sure it is all cleared out for them to work carefully. >> listen, pat brosnan, i have to tell you, i have criticized the parole officers not picking up on the fact there was jay krooe dugard and her two 11 and 15-year-old kids living in the backyard or perhaps in this filth. i've criticized the cops who ignored a 911 call and said, hey there's a bunch of kids living in tents of the backyard of the garridos' and they didn't do anything about it. >> i know. >> but i have to hand it to the

cops and have total sympathy for law enforcement that has to go through this stomach-churning a ray of a lot of words i can't say on tv that come to mind because every single piece there might hold a fingerprint, might hold a piece of evidence. they have to go methodically through all of this. what a nightmare. there's no amount of money that you could pay me to do that job. >> here's the thing. the police do it every single day throughout the country. the bottom line when you sign on for police work, it's not always pretty. it's not like tv and, trust me, the horror of this case, the incomprehensibility of what transpired and the mishaps with the pd and the parole officers has only intensified the resolve of the local police in terms of overturning every stone, shine their light around every corner and using the vast array of technological advances at their fingertips ranging from dna,

absolutely refutable and deadly, deadly precise and the fiber content every single thing they can bring to bear to crush this animal as well they should be. >> well, i don't think we should call them animals, i say this all the time. animals don't kidnap and rape and torture. that's people's territory. police are literally leaving no stone unturned, as they scour the garrido property for evidence. let's listen as authorities describe the plan to clean the rubble and make room for these dogs. they're called archaeological dogs because they specialize in finding very old bones and part of the issue here is that this could be an old native american burial ground so they've got to distinguish. let's listen to what they have to say. >> we're going to be removing some concrete slabs from both properties, as well as a shed on the adjacent property. we're going to be continuing the search of the garrido house on the interior. and we're going to begin the

scan of the properties underground with ground-penetrating radar and the magnetometer. >> casey jordan, a couple of things. there's concretes slabs on the property. they are going to remove them because i guess those concrete slabs could block the scent for a cadaver dog. >> not only that. >> go ahead. >> i don't think they know when they were poured. part of the theory could be if there are human remains which were buried, one of the things people very often do, sadly, if they bury human remains in their back yards or in the woods or something, usually in their backyard, they will pour a concrete foundation over it and put a shed or something on top of it. yes, it might hide the scents but moreover makes it really incredibly inconvenient for anyone to come and dig it up. >> yeah. and just fyi, i learned something studying this case today. i did not know there were archaeological dogs, in other words cadaver dogs that are specifically trained to look for old bones to distinguish between

old bones that might be part of a native american burial ground from 100, 200 years ago and bones that are our century and the last couple of decades. so, that's something that's fascinating. all right. let's go to facebook, salina, g., why the heck didn't anyone who visited this home report it to authorities? almost everyone that did knew there were children living there. yeah, i mean, absolutely. henry lee, the neighbors invited these kids to their birthday parties. >> that's right. and from all outward appearances, according to those who were at the party, the kids, j jaycee's kids appeared normal. but then again when you go back to their compound they were cloaked living in a closer existence but then again sheriff's deputies went out there in '06 to a report of kids living in the back of a sexual

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a brutal and i mean brutal public beating at a popular restaurant now the suspect has been banned for life from all the chains. tasha hill was pummeled outside a cracker barrel in georgia. why? for one thing because she

standing up for her 7-year-old daughter. listen to this. >> excuse me, sir, watch out you almost hit my daughter in the face. he just came, he was like lighting a fire, he came back at me with, you need to watch your fing daughter and continued to punch and kick on me and called me vulgar names. call me a racial slur and then, you know, curse words. >> troy west is accused of this crime and here's how he's defending himself. he claims hill spat on him first. let's go straight out to my guest criminologist casey jordan and attorney tanya acker. first a statement from cracker barrel which says, quote, it believes it is reprehensible when something like that happens anywhere let alone in our store and went on to say as soon as the incidents became apparent cracker barrel employees immediately came to ms. hill's aid and called the police. back to the story. tanya acker, witnesses say she

did not spit at him. you see how soft-spoken she is. and even if she did provoke him in some way, so what? that doesn't give you the right to legally pummel anybody, if you have a problem with somebody, you call the cops. >> that's exactly right, jane. i mean, putting aside the gross immortalitity of this issue, a beating down a worm, army reservist willing to put her life on her line for the country who apparently can't make it out of the state of tennessee without getting beaten up, putting aside all of that there's no legal defense for that. you can't assault somebody because they spit on you. now, if she did do that, again the witnesses are saying she did not, if she did, there's other recourse. but simply to assault this woman in the manner that this took place is completely unconscionable and my understanding is that he's only being charged with a battery which i also find, i'm sorry, with a mice demeanor which i also find fairly unconscionable. >> that's wild. it is wild. we've had instances we've covered tanya, somebody is driving a car and taps somebody

and they are charged with attempted murder. >> absolutely right. and, jane, i'm sure you remember and a lot of your viewers certainly remember the incidents surrounding the gina six when those six young with attempted murder in the beating, the savage beating, it was a bad beating, i'm not trying to defend the beating, but those kids were charged with attempted murder of that white child. now, those charges were subsequently reduced after a huge public outcry. so it seems to me we're really talking about different standards of justice depending on who the victim is. and it's disturbing to me. frankly, pretty shocking. >> sean, california, your question or thought? >> caller: here's a thought. there is no sensical action whatsoever short of a physical assault, spitting does not constitute that, for someone to beat, you know what, out of another person, much less to

strain so far over the societal norms that a man twice the size of this woman would not only beat her or hit her, but continue to do so while spatting racial epithets. and basically making himself look like an idiot. he's lucky she didn't have some of her members of the unit with her. >> yeah. i'll tell you what else, the fbi is investigating this as a hate crime, sean. and it's on videotape. you've got witnesses who are reportedly saying that he was heard using the n word and the b word. and so what's there left to investigate? if there ear surveil lapse video, he admits he hits her and people say yeah, they heard the n word, why isn't it a hate crime? more on the man accused of ruthlessly beating a woman in front of her daughter at a restaurant, cracker barrel. we're taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. ( laughs, click )

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stunning new insights just in to us on the yale lab technician accused of killing annie le. co-workers call him a control freak. a man hell-bent on enforcing the lab@@ rules. did annie le try to fight back, leaving marks on her alleged killer? and an innocent baby just hours old, dumped in a storm drain, left to die. right now, a boyfriend and girlfriend are under arrest. they're teenagers. and they're giving cops two totally different stories. you're a very important part of the show. so give us a holler.

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and honestly, at the time being -- i can't say that i believe he's guilty. i've known him so long, i just can't picture him doing something like this, you know. not at all. >> have you ever known him to be violent? >> no. not at all. i've known him to be outgoing, happy, athletic, fun. violent, not at all. >> however, some co-workers call him a control freak. a rude creep obsessed with lab rules. and we're learning more about an alleged rape, a dark past, did @ raymond clark lead a secret double life? that's what we're talking about. right now, joining me, we've got robin bond, former prosecutor who specializes in workplace violence, as well as paul bass, the editor of the new haven independent. paul, so many developments, fast and furious. bring us up to late, what is the

very latest. >> the very latest is mr. clark is sitting in a maximum security jail. the police have submitted over 1,000-page arrest warrant based largely on physical evidence. what's interesting about this case is it's the blood that's the trail. there was blood found on different objects. there were magnetic key card swipes that shows what rooms people went into. 70 security cameras in one building. and the police tell us, interviews are important. but what this case is all about is the physical evidence. and the reason it's sealed, the arrest warrant, is that there is so much evidence to go through, that as soon as they got a blood match with the dna, they wanted to arrest this fellow. but they're still going. they want to build an overwhelming case based on physical evidence. the motive has not been determined. >> well, there are some reports out of the new york daily

news that cite investigators as saying they already have an overwhelming case based just strictly on dna. if they had nothing else, if they didn't have the video, if they didn't have the swipe cards, if they didn't have anything else, the new york daily news, according to its sources is saying, wow, dna tests show the victim's blood is on clark's boots, which bizarrely have his name on them. the daily news is also reporting that tests identify his dna on her body and clothing. and the daily news also claiming tests identify her dna and hair on him and his clothing. casey jordan, if all that is true, is that game, set, match? >> i would have to think so. dna by itself you could argue there was human error, it was al tampered with in some way, a setup. based on the totality of circumstances, all of those card swipes, all that dna, and, you know, the evolving information

about where she was found, things that are coming forward about his behavior, with the scientists, being a little bit efishs, a little rude sometimes, really supports that idea that the sort of person who might have done this was a control freak who might have snapped in some sort of dissent with a co-worker. >> now, casey jordan, by the way, you're the criminologist joining us. thank you for weighing in. i want to go to robin bond, you're a former prosecutor. you specialize in workplace violence. i don't understand that term, workplace violence is violence that occurs in the workplace, that doesn't necessarily mean there isn't some other motive involved. people have called clark, the suspect, a control freak, by some others in the lab. that he was rude, according to one co-worker. "the new york times" is quoting unnamed co-workers as saying he would berate students for minor infractions. and another report calls him oh fishs. what profile does that present to you? >> workplace violence, there's

no one determining factor for workplace violence, but there are several red flags. and it can be looking at the work environment, the home life environment, the psychological profile of the person. and a lot of times this happens with somebody who does have a mental disorder, someone who has a control disorder, an obsession, whether it's an office obsession, which he might have had with this woman, or whether he just can't stand having his authority questioned. and i think that seems to be the profile that we have here. and it's very unfortunate in the workplace when you're working with someone like this, and you say something's just not right about this guy, i don't quite know what it is, you don't want to report it, because you're afraid that maybe you'll sound silly. but this is exactly the kind of thing that employers have workplace violence preventions for. so that you notify human resources -- >> robin, unfortunately none of his behaviors up to this point reached a threshold that you could really report it.

i'm talking about in the workplace. we are learning scary things about his past. according to an ex-girlfriend who filed a police report, she claimed, this is several years ago, when they were in high school, that he forced her to have sex against her will, but she continued the relationship after that. and consequently no charges were ever filed. the case never happened. but yet hearing that, that's scary. but nothing that he did in the workplace, casey, really amounted to anything. >> well, not necessarily. we do have reports, actually, that co-workers did, especially the students that he worked with, remember, he managed the lab -- >> what other reports? >> there's reports that co-workers did go to their supervisors and report him for being inappropriate, and too rude. >> oh, right. well, paul bass, i want you to tell me a little bit more about that when we come back from the break. because i've heard about these co-workers telling reporters that he was too rude. i haven't heard that they went to their supervisors and said,

we've got to get rid of this guy. and this guy had a web in this lab, because a lot of his relatives worked in the lab. more on the lab tech accused of the murder of a young yael graduate student, annie le, bride-to-be, found dead on her wedding day. we want to know what you think @ about this.@@ 1-877-tell-hln. we're going to dive deep into the psychology behind this supposed control freak right after the break. i'm walgreens ceo and i'm also a pharmacist. getting an early flu shot is the best thing you can do... to protect you and your loved ones from the flu. it's also one of the easiest things you can do... because walgreens is now offering seasonal flu shots... every day of the week with convenient hours guaranteed. so you can just stop in. our 16,000 dedicated pharmacists... and take care clinic nurse practitioners... are waiting to help you beat the flu... in neighborhoods nationwide. at walgreens we want you to know,

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you know, understand the position that ray's in right now, why he's in this position. obviously we do know, you know,

what is going on. but it's like, it's a complete shock, because this is a dear friend of ours. and dear friend of mine who i've grown my entire life to know. the whole country and everybody else in brandford want questions. we want answers to all of our questions. he's being portrayed right now as, you know, being a murder suspect. that's not the raymond clark who i've known hi entire life. >> he's not just being portrayed a murder suspect, he is a murder suspect. that's cnn's "larry king live" talking about his best friend raymond clark. also known as ray ray. the yale lab technician accused of strangling annie le, her body found on what should have been her wedding day. this story touching a nerve all across the country. dominic in florida, your question oh thought. >> caller: yes, jane, i was wondering why yale university, such a prestigious university, failed to sufficiently investigate this guy's

background in the lab. with so many other people, without thoroughly investigating anything that may have been a red flag. >> paul bass, you're the editor of the new haven independent. did they know about, for example, this incident back in high school where there was no police report? >> they could not have. we got it through a source. we have the only copy of that police report. it's been locked up since we reported it. she did not press charges. what happened in that incident was that the police were called to the school because he was harassing her when she wanted to break up with him. and was then the subsequent interviews came about the allegations. charges were never pressed. we looked at his state record and there's nothing other than driving too fast. we only know so far is that they went to something called a teen leader who works with technicians and researchers, and to say that someone was overbearing, or rude, i have a hard time making the leap, just

based on what we know, that an institution is supposed to say, oh, that's somebody who could kill somebody. so i would want to know more about how the smaller complaints were dealt with before i'm ready to condemn an institution. >> what's really fascinating, casey jordan, i was reading new information just in, after the crime, but before he was arrested, he was trailed by a whole bunch of detectives. and you know what he was doing sh he was playing softball. he was going to a fair. he was showing absolutely no signs of panic, which absolutely bog also my mind. if in fact he is responsible for the murder of this young woman. >> it's very typical behavior of somebody who has committed a crime, and believes they might get away with it. maybe. there's a slight chance. and you see this with a lot of high-profile cases, where people who have denied any involvement with a missing person, or with a murder case, just go about their regular business. you know, scott peterson, drew peterson. the whole idea is almost a

process of self-brainwashing. they know they're being watched, try to make themselves look as normal as possible, they can almost convince themselves they really didn't do it. we see this all the time. >> the one time he apparently did show some panic is when the day of the killing, a smoke alarm or fire alarm went off in that lab building at about 1:00 in the afternoon and video shows him coming out with his head in his hands like this. which obviously makes him look distraught, robin bond. >> you know, like i said, the -- there's no one way to tell when somebody's had an issue like this. but i do think if i were the police in this case, having been a former prosecutor, you really can't guess on this man's motives. so you just want to put all the pieces of the evidence together. and tell the story. and i believe the case will be strong enough to tell the story just on this physical evidence with a linchpin being the dna that ties him to this murder. >> you are absolutely right. because they don't have to prove motive.

all they have to prove is, beyond a reasonable doubt, he did it, to 12 jurors. this next story, and thank you, panel, really makes me sick. i just couldn't believe the details as i read them. nauseating, heart-wrenching, a newborn left in a storm drain has died. the mom and dad are teenagers. police say they abandoned their baby boy when he was just a few hours old. now he's dead. and his parents are showing little emotion. we'll tell you about it.

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desperately after false leads all over atlanta. cops frantically search dumpsters and roadways, racing to find this precious little boy in time. and guess what, a miracle of miracles, they did find him alive. tragically, he later died in the hospital. listen to what the accused dad told "prime news" affiliate wsb. >> police said the baby was moving when it was in the storm drain. are you saying it is a miscarriage? >> it is a miscarriage. >> we're taking your calls on that one, 1-877-tell-hln. here to talk about this incomprehensible story, casey jordan, criminologist and criminal law attorney, and former prosecutor robin bond. what struck me the most is that this couple reportedly showed little emotion. even though robin bond, i was literally getting nauseous as i read the details of this. this happened on a rainy day. there was flooding, there was

rain, and they allegedly leave the child in a storm drain. and then they don't even tell them exactly where this child is, and the cops have to go on this crazy chase to find this little baby. >> it's just a terrible, terrible thing. it's shocking to us, and you know, i think what we're going to see here is the mom's going to tell one story, the dad's going to tell another. everybody's going to point fingers and say, as the father is saying, the child was dead upon birth. the mother's going to say, well, the child was alive, but i didn't have anything to do with it. the father took the child. so, you know -- >> what's the point? this is such -- it's going to ruin their lives if they're convicted. they're going to be behind bars for many years. >> absolutely. >> and casey jordan, it didn't have to happen. the mom herself went to the hospital after giving birth. she could have taken the baby with her. instead they leave the baby, put it in a storm drain and then she goes to the hospital to take care of herself without the

infant, and the father is saying we didn't know what to do with the kid? why don't you just take him to the hospital? >> not only that, i think what really adds insult to injury here is that georgia has a safe haven law. like most states do. any mother can surrender a newborn within the first seven days to hospital personnel. no criminal charges, no a wan donement can be filed against her. if she's going to the hospital anyway, then she could have taken the child with her and said, we don't know what to do with this kid, can you put it in state custody. either one of them could do it. anyone could have done that. instead she complicated matters further by telling -- obviously they knew she had given birth. she said the baby was born in a gas station and put the baby in a trash barrel. those fewer hours they spent looking in the gas station dumpster could have been the @ñ difference between that infant living or dying. >> it's just unnecessary. and then the father allegedly claims that the baby was born, still born, and it was all a miscarriage.

but how could that be? because the cops have determined, they can prove they found the child still alive, robin bond. >> the child was alive. so that, you know, that's not going to hold water as we all know. here's the other thing. when we look at cause of death, the cause of death will be, was there an existing genetic condition or other medical condition that actually caused the death of the child. or was the putting the child in an abandoned situation, that superseding intervening force that actually resulted in the child's death. so that's what we'll be waiting for the autopsy findings. so the police know whether we've just got an aggravated child cruelty case or whether we have murder. >> i'll tell you what the problem is. these teenagers shouldn't be having kids. they're 18 and 19. that's just too young, really, in most cases, especially in this case when this guy is out @ on bond for robbery. >> yeah. >> no one's going to argue with you on that one, jane. @@@@@@@@@@

welcome back to "prime news." a man accused of beating a woman ruthlessly in fronts of her 7-year-old daughter has this to say to police. she spat on me. whatever. cops have the surveillance video, and let me tell you, it doesn't show any spitting. now his family members are even making excuses for him. we are taking your calls. weigh in, 1-877-tell-hln. meantime, two huge developments going on right now in the search for the home -- the search of the home of rapist phillip garrido in california. we're getting our first inside

look. new video showing, you won't believe this disgusting mess. we're talking trash everywhere. it's an unbelievable sewer, this house. is this how kidnapped jaycee dugard was forced to live for 18 long years? and then there's this. cadaver dogs making a big hit. they pick up the scent of possible human remains and the digging will soon begin. are cops closer to finding two little girls kidnapped decades ago. let's bring in our experts on the phone. we have pat brosnan, a former homicide detective and henry lee, reporter for the "san francisco chronicle." great to see you there, henry. and back with us, casey jordan, a criminologist and criminal law attorney. henry lee, you've been tracking this story from the start. what is the very latest on these cadaver dogs hitting on a human scent on the garrido property?

>> well, jane, there are a couple of indications by at least two cadaver dogs of the presence of human remains. but right now as you can see from the pictures, both inside and out, that property is a mess. and they will spend most of the day today clearing out the debris, removing additional truckloads of soup of a property full of junk and plates strewn everywhere, tents and sheds. so before they have the dogs working on monday, they're going to make sure it's all cleared out for them to work carefully. >> well, listen, pat brosnan, i have to tell you, i have criticized the parole officers for not picking up on the fact that there was jaycee dugard and her two 11 and 15-year-old kids living in the backyard, or perhaps in this filth. i've criticized the cops who ignored a 911 call who said, hey, there's a bunch of kids living in tents in the backyard of the ga rid ohs. they didn't do anything about it. but i have to hand it to the

cops and have total sympathy for law enforcement that has to go through this stomach-churning array of, i have a lot of words that i can't say on tv that come to mind, because every single piece there might hold a fingerprint, might hold a piece of evidence. they have to go methodically through all of this. what a nightmare. there's no amount of money that you could pay me to do that job. >> here's the thing. the police do it every single day throughout the country. the bottom line is, when you sign on for police work, it's not always pretty, like tv. trust me, the horror of this case, the income pre hence ability and the mishaps with the pd and parole officers has forced the resolve of the local police, shining their light on every corner, and utilizing the best array of technological advances. ranging from dna, which is absolutely irrefutable and

deadly, deadly precise. they're going to bring in all the fiber contents, every single thing they can bring to bear to crush this animal as well he should be. >> i don't think we should call them animals. i say this all the time, animals don't kidnap and rape and torture. that's people's territory. police are literally leaving no stone unturned, as they scour the garrido property for evidence. let's listen as the authorities describe the plan to clean the rubble and make room for these dogs. they're called archaeological dogs, because they specialize in finding very old bones, and part of the issue here is that this could be an old native american burial ground. so they've got to distinguish. let's listen to what they have to say. >> we're going to be removing some concrete slabs from both properties as well as a shed on the adjacent property. we're going to be continuing the search of the garrido house on the interior. and we're going to begin the @@

scan of the properties underground, with ground penetrating radar and the magnetometer. >> okay. casey jordan, a couple of things, there's concrete slabs on the property. they're going to remove them, because i guess those concrete slabs could block the scent for cadaver dogs? >> not only that, but i don't think they know when they were poured. so part of the theory could be that if there are human remains, which were buried, one of the things that people very often do, sadly, if they bury human remains in their backyards or in the woods or something, usually in their backyard they will pour a concrete foundation over it and put a shed over the top of it. it makes it really incredibly inconvenient for anyone to come and dig it up. >> and just fyi, i learned something studying this case today. i did not know there were archaeological dogs. in other words, cadaver dogs that are specifically trained to look for old bones, to distinguish between old bones

that might be part of a native burial ground, 100, 200 years ago, and bones that are our century, and the last couple ofñ decades. that's something that's fascinating. all right. let's go to facebook, why the heck didn't anyone who visited this home report it to authorities? almost everyone that did knew there were children living there. yeah, i mean, absolutely, henry lee, the neighbors invited these kids to their birthday parties. >> that's right. and from all outward appearances, according to those who were at the party, the kids, jaycee's kids appeared normal, starlet and angel are their reported names. but when you go back to their compound, so to speak, they were kind of cloaked, living in a cloaked existence. sheriff's deputies went out there in '06 to a report of kids living in the back of a sexual predator. they didn't go into the

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cnn.com/what matters. back to the breaking news. a lot of you fired up about this next story. an alleged beatdown at a cracker barrel of all places. a mother takes her little girl there for dinner. then suddenly a knockdown, drag-out fight with a total stranger. police say a man kicked her, punched her, yelled racial slurs at her. all of this in front of her 7-year-old. the guy's now banned for life at this restaurant.@@ so what? is that enough? we're taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.% of calcium and vitamin d. that's where their favorite cereals can help. general mills big g is the only leading line of kid cereals that has calcium and vitamin d. help them get more of what they need with general mills kid cereals. (announcer) what are you going to miss when you have an allergy attack? achoo! (announcer) benadryl is more effective than claritin at relieving your worst mptoms. and works when you need it most. benadryl. you can't pause life.

a brutal, and i mean brutal public beating at a popular restaurant, now the suspect has been banned for life from all the chains, tasha hill was pummeled outside a cracker barrel in georgia. why? for one thing, she was standing up for her 7-year-old daughter. listen to this.

>> he came back at me with, you need to watch your f'ing daughter. he continued to punch and kick -- punch me and kick on me, and he called me vulgar names. called me a racial slur.@@ and then a curse word. >> troy west is accused of this crime, and here's how he's defending himself. he claims hill spat on him first. let's go straight out to my guest, criminologist, casey jordan, and attorney tonya acker. a statement from cracker barrel says, "i believe it's reprehensible when something like this happens anywhere, let alone in our store. as soon as the incident became apparent, cracker barrel employees immediately came to ms. hill's aid and called the police." let's get back to the story. tonya acker, first of all, where does it say she did not spit at him. you see how soft-spoken she is.

even if she did provoke him in some way, so what. that doesn't give you the right to legally pummel anybody. if you have a problem with somebody, you call the cops. >> that's exactly right, jane. putting aside the gross immorality of this issue, a beating down a woman, an army reservist, a woman who's willing to put her life on the line for her country who apparently can't make it out of the state of tennessee without getting beaten up, putting aside all of that, there's no legal defense for that. you can't assault somebody if they spit on you. if she did do that, which witnesses are saying she did not, but if she did, there are other recourses. this is completely unconscionable. my understanding he's only charged with a battery, which i also find -- i'm sorry, a misdemeanor, which i find unconscionable. >> it's absolutely wild. we've had instances that we've covered, tonya, where somebody is driving a car and taps somebody and they're charged with attempted murder. >> absolutely right.

and jane, i'm sure you remember, a lot of your viewers certainly remember, the incident surrounding the gina six. when those six young african-american defendants originally were charged with attempted murder in the beating, the savage beating, it was a bad beating, i'm not trying to defend the beating, but those kids were charged with attempted murder of that white child. now, those charges were subsequently reduced after a huge public outcry. and so it seems to me that we're really talking about different standards of justice depending on who the victim is. it's really disturbing to me. and frankly, pretty shocking. >> sean, california, your question or thought? >> caller: here's a thought. there is no sensical action whatsoever, short of a physical assault, spitting does not constitute that. for someone to beat you-know-what out of another person, much less to stray so far over the boundaries of

societal norms that a man twice the size of this woman would not only beat her or hit her, but continue to do so while spatting racial epithets, and basically making himself look like he's an idiot. he's lucky she didn't have some members of her unit with her. >> i'll tell you what else, the fbi is investigating this as a hate crime, sean. and it's on videotape. you've got witnesses who are reportedly saying that he was heard using the n word and the b word. and so what's there left to investigate? if there's surveillance video, if he admits he hits her, and people say, yeah, they heard the n word, why isn't it a hate crime? more on the man accused of ruthlessly beating a woman in front of her daughter at a restaurant, cracker barrel, @@ banning him for life.@@ is that enough? beer taking your calls 1-877-tell-hln.@@@@ ÷